Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 07/12/06


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 03:59 AM - Re: Re: Falcon wood props (Gene & Tammy)
     2. 04:10 AM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator (Phillips, Jack)
     3. 06:16 AM - brodhead ride needed (tmbrant1@netzero.com)
     4. 07:44 AM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator ()
     5. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Falcon wood props ()
     6. 08:38 AM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator (Steve Eldredge)
     7. 08:54 AM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator (Phillips, Jack)
     8. 09:56 AM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator (Gordon Bowen)
     9. 10:19 AM - Chad Wille prop (Douwe Blumberg)
    10. 10:20 AM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator (Steve Eldredge)
    11. 10:29 AM - johnson airspeed (Douwe Blumberg)
    12. 10:42 AM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator ()
    13. 03:05 PM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    14. 03:28 PM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator (jimboyer@hughes.net)
    15. 10:37 PM - Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10 (Rcaprd@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:59:38 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Falcon wood props
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net> Don, I'm looking to buy a wood prop and would be interested in learning what you find out. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:53 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> > > Thank you very much Mike, I sent him an e-mail. By the way, did you > happen to make it to the T-Craft Fly-in? I went over on Sunday morning > before church. Had breakfast with Frank and then we went up and did some > tight formation flying. He's pretty good at that! A real rush! > Don E. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46558#46558 > > >


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    Time: 04:10:54 AM PST US
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
    Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
    You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid@aol.com N=2E Ga Mountains _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N


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    Time: 06:16:25 AM PST US
    From: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
    Subject: brodhead ride needed
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.com" <tmbrant1@netzero.net> Anyone from Minneapolis area flying down on Saturday with an open seat? Tom B.


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    Time: 07:44:14 AM PST US
    From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
    Come to Canada;register as an ultralight and you don't need any instruments at all.There ya go! Do not archive ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: July 12, 2006 7:07 AM You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid@aol.com N. Ga Mountains _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N


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    Time: 07:44:58 AM PST US
    From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    Subject: Re: Falcon wood props
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca> I got a real work of art from Tennessee props 72 X 42 ,everyone who sees it said it's a real nice lookin prop.I got her for 658$ CND. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: July 12, 2006 6:57 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net> Don, I'm looking to buy a wood prop and would be interested in learning what you find out. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:53 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> > > Thank you very much Mike, I sent him an e-mail. By the way, did you > happen to make it to the T-Craft Fly-in? I went over on Sunday morning > before church. Had breakfast with Frank and then we went up and did some > tight formation flying. He's pretty good at that! A real rush! > Don E. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46558#46558 > > >


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    Time: 08:38:30 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
    Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
    True, but the only instrument that I ever really use is the oil pressure gauge. Everything else you can hear, feel, smell, or see. Love the pietenpol. I flew for the last 20 hours in a Stinson, and while it is a great airplane, I felt out of touch with the atmosphere. There is something magical you can feel in a steep slip when the wind is hitting you in the side of the face and you can feel the descent as air buffets the top of your head and rushes past your feet from the front cockpit. I know I'm flaring when my pant legs deflate and it gets kind of quite. If I can hear the tires squeak I've landed too fast, it's just right when it sounds like a rough rubber scrape. Liftoff is when the tail gets light and aileron pressure will lift a tire clear enough to cause a slight yaw in that direction as the friction to the pavement is lost. On grass it is even more pronounced especially if the grass hasn't been cut in a while. Cruise speed is determined by the moment you feel like there is nothing else to do but look around outside, or straight down, and when you do you have to hold your goggles tight to your face with your non-flying hand to control the buffet of the wind as you poke your head into the slipstream. The cabin heat on a cool day is the slight warmth you feel as you stick your hand out into the exhaust. You can tell exactly where that is, but it doesn't do much good since by the time you get you digits back into the cockpit they are super cooled during the journey. Direction is easy to determine without a compass. Just line up you the shadow of the tail-plane and cabanes perfectly on the back of the prop disk as you fly away from the sun. This is especially effective when the sun is just coming up in the morning or late just before sun-set. I tried spot landings Saturday afternoon. 12 in a row. I'm not very good at it yet since when the piet is out of forward energy, drag takes over and drops you on the runway. I did get one bounce and go exactly where I was aiming, but I'm not sure that counts. I'm sure that R-22 in hover on the taxiway wasn't there burning avgas just to watch. I should have conceded the runway I suppose, but I was the only one in the pattern, and surely it is big enough for two. Heck I've been of final with 3 of them at a time. Anyway he didn't seem to want to join me and finally left. My brother says we should send them a post card. It would have a picture of my piet on the front and words that say: "Merry Christmas. We're still not listening!": Radios are so over-rated. :-) Enough rambling.... Steve E ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:07 AM You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid@aol.com N. Ga Mountains _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N


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    Time: 08:54:08 AM PST US
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
    Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
    Yesterday after work I went to the airport to fly tmy RV-4 for the first time in 3 weeks. I had flown the Pietenpol on Sunday after we got back from the honeymoon, but didn't have time then to fly the RV. It started easily and flew as well as ever. I did a series of aileron rolls in it and thought about doing some loops, but the visibility was pretty poor (about 5 miles in haze) so I decided to practice stalls and slow flight instead. It really is a good flying airplane, with very light, well balanced controls that remain effective through the stall. I shot a few touch and goes at Sanford and then decided to head back because it was pretty warm and the cockpit ventilation is not terribly effective at low altitudes (unlike a Pietenpol). As I was putting it back in the hangar, Larry Godbold and his son were pulling their J-3 out and getting ready to go up. They said "Why not take the Pietenpol up and fly with us?" So I did. Flew formation with them over Jordan Lake at about 400' and just had a ball. Returned to the airport and found myself in the pattern with them, 2 other J-3's (one of which I didn't even know), a Cessna 170 and a Stearman. Busy times in the traffic pattern! It just doesn't get much better than that. As I put the Piet back in its hangar, it occurred to me how much more I enjoy this kind of flying than the kind represented by the RV. I mean, aerobatics is fun, and I really enjoy the utility of the RV for taking trips, but this is the kind of flying that I like for just recreation. I'm getting too old to ever do competition aerobatics, and I think it will be ideal to have the RV-10 for travel and the Pietenpol for real flying. I don't think I'll miss the RV-4 as much as I thought at one time. I'll sell the RV-4 when it comes time to buy the engine for the RV-10. I'll never sell the Pietenpol. Jack Phillips Already wishing I could go to Brodhead this year -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:37 AM True, but the only instrument that I ever really use is the oil pressure gauge. Everything else you can hear, feel, smell, or see. Love the pietenpol. I flew for the last 20 hours in a Stinson, and while it is a great airplane, I felt out of touch with the atmosphere. There is something magical you can feel in a steep slip when the wind is hitting you in the side of the face and you can feel the descent as air buffets the top of your head and rushes past your feet from the front cockpit. I know I'm flaring when my pant legs deflate and it gets kind of quite. If I can hear the tires squeak I've landed too fast, it's just right when it sounds like a rough rubber scrape. Liftoff is when the tail gets light and aileron pressure will lift a tire clear enough to cause a slight yaw in that direction as the friction to the pavement is lost. On grass it is even more pronounced especially if the grass hasn't been cut in a while. Cruise speed is determined by the moment you feel like there is nothing else to do but look around outside, or straight down, and when you do you have to hold your goggles tight to your face with your non-flying hand to control the buffet of the wind as you poke your head into the slipstream. The cabin heat on a cool day is the slight warmth you feel as you stick your hand out into the exhaust. You can tell exactly where that is, but it doesn't do much good since by the time you get you digits back into the cockpit they are super cooled during the journey. Direction is easy to determine without a compass. Just line up you the shadow of the tail-plane and cabanes perfectly on the back of the prop disk as you fly away from the sun. This is especially effective when the sun is just coming up in the morning or late just before sun-set. I tried spot landings Saturday afternoon. 12 in a row. I'm not very good at it yet since when the piet is out of forward energy, drag takes over and drops you on the runway. I did get one bounce and go exactly where I was aiming, but I'm not sure that counts. I'm sure that R-22 in hover on the taxiway wasn't there burning avgas just to watch. I should have conceded the runway I suppose, but I was the only one in the pattern, and surely it is big enough for two. Heck I've been of final with 3 of them at a time. Anyway he didn't seem to want to join me and finally left. My brother says we should send them a post card. It would have a picture of my piet on the front and words that say: "Merry Christmas. We're still not listening!": Radios are so over-rated. :-) Enough rambling.... Steve E _____ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:07 AM You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid@aol.com N=2E Ga Mountains _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N


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    Time: 09:56:36 AM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
    Even if the FAA inspector didn't fuss about flight instruments, it's a very good idea to have oil temp/pressure gauge on any plane just to monitor overheating or low pressure. On any homebuilt the issue of baffling of the engine is tricky to keep the oil below 280F, CHT is also important to get ideas where you need to install more baffling but not as important as oil temp max. You can do a lot of trial low and high speed taxi work with just monitoring the oil. Quit when oil gets about 240F, go back and cool your heels then try again. I put more stock in engine monitoring devices than I do in the flight instruments during initial trials. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:07 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronicscom Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid@aol.com N. Ga Mountains _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N


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    Time: 10:19:49 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Chad Wille prop
    Gene, I have a Chad Wille model A prop. It is beautiful and his service was right on time. I am very pleased. Douwe


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    Time: 10:20:53 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
    Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
    Atta way Jack. I'm nearly finished with the FWF on my Stinson, and I'm already looking for another project. A skybolt is calling because I want to try something with two wings lots of power and aerobatic. I may finish my bearhawk that I started 5 years ago. It is still metal parts in a box. The stinson fills that need, but doesn't have the power, or load carrying capability. A motorglider also sound like great fun, but my wife says I can't ever sell the piet. ( I have been passively looking for an 0-200 for it though.) Steve E. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:53 AM Yesterday after work I went to the airport to fly tmy RV-4 for the first time in 3 weeks. I had flown the Pietenpol on Sunday after we got back from the honeymoon, but didn't have time then to fly the RV. It started easily and flew as well as ever. I did a series of aileron rolls in it and thought about doing some loops, but the visibility was pretty poor (about 5 miles in haze) so I decided to practice stalls and slow flight instead. It really is a good flying airplane, with very light, well balanced controls that remain effective through the stall. I shot a few touch and goes at Sanford and then decided to head back because it was pretty warm and the cockpit ventilation is not terribly effective at low altitudes (unlike a Pietenpol). As I was putting it back in the hangar, Larry Godbold and his son were pulling their J-3 out and getting ready to go up. They said "Why not take the Pietenpol up and fly with us?" So I did. Flew formation with them over Jordan Lake at about 400' and just had a ball. Returned to the airport and found myself in the pattern with them, 2 other J-3's (one of which I didn't even know), a Cessna 170 and a Stearman. Busy times in the traffic pattern! It just doesn't get much better than that. As I put the Piet back in its hangar, it occurred to me how much more I enjoy this kind of flying than the kind represented by the RV. I mean, aerobatics is fun, and I really enjoy the utility of the RV for taking trips, but this is the kind of flying that I like for just recreation. I'm getting too old to ever do competition aerobatics, and I think it will be ideal to have the RV-10 for travel and the Pietenpol for real flying. I don't think I'll miss the RV-4 as much as I thought at one time. I'll sell the RV-4 when it comes time to buy the engine for the RV-10. I'll never sell the Pietenpol. Jack Phillips Already wishing I could go to Brodhead this year -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:37 AM True, but the only instrument that I ever really use is the oil pressure gauge. Everything else you can hear, feel, smell, or see. Love the pietenpol. I flew for the last 20 hours in a Stinson, and while it is a great airplane, I felt out of touch with the atmosphere. There is something magical you can feel in a steep slip when the wind is hitting you in the side of the face and you can feel the descent as air buffets the top of your head and rushes past your feet from the front cockpit. I know I'm flaring when my pant legs deflate and it gets kind of quite. If I can hear the tires squeak I've landed too fast, it's just right when it sounds like a rough rubber scrape. Liftoff is when the tail gets light and aileron pressure will lift a tire clear enough to cause a slight yaw in that direction as the friction to the pavement is lost. On grass it is even more pronounced especially if the grass hasn't been cut in a while. Cruise speed is determined by the moment you feel like there is nothing else to do but look around outside, or straight down, and when you do you have to hold your goggles tight to your face with your non-flying hand to control the buffet of the wind as you poke your head into the slipstream. The cabin heat on a cool day is the slight warmth you feel as you stick your hand out into the exhaust. You can tell exactly where that is, but it doesn't do much good since by the time you get you digits back into the cockpit they are super cooled during the journey. Direction is easy to determine without a compass. Just line up you the shadow of the tail-plane and cabanes perfectly on the back of the prop disk as you fly away from the sun. This is especially effective when the sun is just coming up in the morning or late just before sun-set. I tried spot landings Saturday afternoon. 12 in a row. I'm not very good at it yet since when the piet is out of forward energy, drag takes over and drops you on the runway. I did get one bounce and go exactly where I was aiming, but I'm not sure that counts. I'm sure that R-22 in hover on the taxiway wasn't there burning avgas just to watch. I should have conceded the runway I suppose, but I was the only one in the pattern, and surely it is big enough for two. Heck I've been of final with 3 of them at a time. Anyway he didn't seem to want to join me and finally left. My brother says we should send them a post card. It would have a picture of my piet on the front and words that say: "Merry Christmas. We're still not listening!": Radios are so over-rated. :-) Enough rambling.... Steve E ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:07 AM You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid@aol.com N. Ga Mountains _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N


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    Time: 10:29:24 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: johnson airspeed
    Rogers, HI, I too am doing a barebones piet and am using a windvane type indicator. I did some web searching and came up with some good photos, then was able to borrow one from Old Rhinebeck for measuring, so I've got drawings. they are occassionally available in batches by various guys but they're really expensive. I could send you my measurements if you want. I'm making a WWI type strut mounted anemometer airspeed indicator reproduction which will be really cool. LIttle spiining brass cups on top of a hourglass shaped aluminum housing with a dial on front facing the cockpit. I"m going to use one on mine, but they'll be awefully expensive for your average piet, and way overkill. The johnson is definately the way to go. Regarding instruments, remember the FAA dictates mininum instrumentation, so you'll need oil pressure and temp, or water temp, magnetic heading indicator (compass) airspeed of some sort, and altitude. slip indicator is not mandatory legally. Douwe


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    Time: 10:42:59 AM PST US
    From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
    So you have three planes.Geeeeze ,my wife is driving me nuts and wants me to sell one of my two,either the Piet or the N3 Pup (cub look alike =BE size).I'd like to keep the Pup for winter flyin and the Piet for summer but I don't know how much longer I can hang in there.Maybe I should sell the wife(goin real cheep),eh! Do not archive ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: July 12, 2006 11:53 AM Yesterday after work I went to the airport to fly tmy RV-4 for the first time in 3 weeks. I had flown the Pietenpol on Sunday after we got back from the honeymoon, but didn't have time then to fly the RV. It started easily and flew as well as ever. I did a series of aileron rolls in it and thought about doing some loops, but the visibility was pretty poor (about 5 miles in haze) so I decided to practice stalls and slow flight instead. It really is a good flying airplane, with very light, well balanced controls that remain effective through the stall. I shot a few touch and goes at Sanford and then decided to head back because it was pretty warm and the cockpit ventilation is not terribly effective at low altitudes (unlike a Pietenpol). As I was putting it back in the hangar, Larry Godbold and his son were pulling their J-3 out and getting ready to go up. They said "Why not take the Pietenpol up and fly with us?" So I did. Flew formation with them over Jordan Lake at about 400' and just had a ball. Returned to the airport and found myself in the pattern with them, 2 other J-3's (one of which I didn't even know), a Cessna 170 and a Stearman. Busy times in the traffic pattern! It just doesn't get much better than that. As I put the Piet back in its hangar, it occurred to me how much more I enjoy this kind of flying than the kind represented by the RV. I mean, aerobatics is fun, and I really enjoy the utility of the RV for taking trips, but this is the kind of flying that I like for just recreation. I'm getting too old to ever do competition aerobatics, and I think it will be ideal to have the RV-10 for travel and the Pietenpol for real flying. I don't think I'll miss the RV-4 as much as I thought at one time. I'll sell the RV-4 when it comes time to buy the engine for the RV-10. I'll never sell the Pietenpol. Jack Phillips Already wishing I could go to Brodhead this year -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:37 AM True, but the only instrument that I ever really use is the oil pressure gauge. Everything else you can hear, feel, smell, or see. Love the pietenpol. I flew for the last 20 hours in a Stinson, and while it is a great airplane, I felt out of touch with the atmosphere. There is something magical you can feel in a steep slip when the wind is hitting you in the side of the face and you can feel the descent as air buffets the top of your head and rushes past your feet from the front cockpit. I know I'm flaring when my pant legs deflate and it gets kind of quite. If I can hear the tires squeak I've landed too fast, it's just right when it sounds like a rough rubber scrape. Liftoff is when the tail gets light and aileron pressure will lift a tire clear enough to cause a slight yaw in that direction as the friction to the pavement is lost. On grass it is even more pronounced especially if the grass hasn't been cut in a while. Cruise speed is determined by the moment you feel like there is nothing else to do but look around outside, or straight down, and when you do you have to hold your goggles tight to your face with your non-flying hand to control the buffet of the wind as you poke your head into the slipstream. The cabin heat on a cool day is the slight warmth you feel as you stick your hand out into the exhaust. You can tell exactly where that is, but it doesn't do much good since by the time you get you digits back into the cockpit they are super cooled during the journey. Direction is easy to determine without a compass. Just line up you the shadow of the tail-plane and cabanes perfectly on the back of the prop disk as you fly away from the sun. This is especially effective when the sun is just coming up in the morning or late just before sun-set. I tried spot landings Saturday afternoon. 12 in a row. I'm not very good at it yet since when the piet is out of forward energy, drag takes over and drops you on the runway. I did get one bounce and go exactly where I was aiming, but I'm not sure that counts. I'm sure that R-22 in hover on the taxiway wasn't there burning avgas just to watch. I should have conceded the runway I suppose, but I was the only one in the pattern, and surely it is big enough for two. Heck I've been of final with 3 of them at a time. Anyway he didn't seem to want to join me and finally left. My brother says we should send them a post card. It would have a picture of my piet on the front and words that say: "Merry Christmas. We're still not listening!": Radios are so over-rated. :-) Enough rambling.... Steve E ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:07 AM You'll have a hard time getting it approved by the FAA without an Altimeter, oil or water temperature gauge and an oil pressure gauge. The skid ball is not a required instrument. The others are. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CapnAvid@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:04 PM Hey ya'll Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? I'm trying to finish out the Piet as close to a 1930 airplane as possibly and have decided the only flying instruments I need are air speed, skid ball and compass. Any comments or thoughts? Rogers Theetge (Thet key) Capnavid@aol.com N. Ga Mountains _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. 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    Time: 03:05:08 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
    Steve & Jack hit the nail on the head !! I'll NEVER sell my Piet...although you can see my next project on my web site at http://nx770cg.com/NextProjectTailwind.html I've been spending a lot of time on the Tailwind lately, at the cost of flying the Piet. That's a big reason I'm really looking forward to the flight to Brodhead next week. See y'all at Brodhead !! Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 03:28:34 PM PST US
    From: "jimboyer@hughes.net" <jimboyer@hughes.net>
    Subject: Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
    Chuck, you are making great progress on the tailwind. How long have you been working on it? You are too productive. Cheers, Jim


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    Time: 10:37:23 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10
    In a message dated 7/12/2006 5:30:40 PM Central Standard Time, jimboyer@hughes.net writes: Chuck, you are making great progress on the tailwind. How long have you been working on it? You are too productive. Cheers, Jim Jim, I more or less committed to the Tailwind W10 project, soon after I finished construction on the Piet, in early '02. I had a serious case of 'Builders Withdraw'. Time spent on it has been on & off till about a month ago, and I really started spending a lot of time on the fuselage. The Tailwind is All About SPEED !! On 150 hp, they typically cruise around 180 mph, and can easily go over 200 mph !! I'm planning on a 'Glass Panel', too. Chuck G. NX770CG




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