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1. 02:19 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 07/13/06 (Graham and Robyn)
2. 06:29 AM - flying to B'head ()
3. 11:02 AM - Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator (Sayre, William G)
4. 01:52 PM - Re: Brodhead Buzz (Steve Eldredge)
5. 03:23 PM - Re: flying to B'head (gcardinal)
6. 03:23 PM - Re: Brodhead Buzz (Steve Eldredge)
7. 03:49 PM - Re: Brodhead Buzz (Dog67@aol.com)
8. 07:40 PM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator (Clif Dawson)
9. 07:45 PM - Re: Brodhead Buzz (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham and Robyn" <grhewitt@globaldial.com>
Re Johnson ASI
A friend of mine has recently imported an original Piet Scout actually
built by none other than Birnie & restored by Forrest Lovely.
How did you guys let it out of the country?
It has a model A engine & is fitted with a Johnson ASI. I will take some
Pics of this & try to make drawings & put the info on your Web.
I am about to start a Piet project at the age of 78. I hope to have a
fly of the Scout very soon.
Graham Hewitt Perth West Australia
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1. 05:04 AM - Props (Gene & Tammy)
2. 06:14 AM - Johnson airspeed indicator (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 09:58 AM - Re: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10 (KMHeide)
4. 02:01 PM - Johnson Airspeed Ind. (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon
Stefan))
5. 02:23 PM - Re: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10
(jimboyer@hughes.net)
6. 02:23 PM - Re: Johnson airspeed indicator (Rcaprd@aol.com)
7. 02:34 PM - Re: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10
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8. 03:31 PM - Re: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10
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9. 11:02 PM - Re: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10 (Gordon
Bowen)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Time: 05:04:23 AM PST US
Thanks to all that responded to my questions reguarding props..
I'm considering a 74X38. I was told by a prop maker/Pietenpol
builder/flyer that the 74/38 in front of a Cont. A65 would be my best
choice. It would give me much better climb but not do much to increase
speed. I'm a low and slow flyer, so I'm not concerned about increasing
my speed, but really wish to increase my rate of climb.
Anyone using the 74X38 with a Cont. A65? Any input anyone?
Gene
N502R
Tennessee
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 06:14:49 AM PST US
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
Rogers asked-
>Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion
>Johnson airspeed indicator?
Nobody really answered his question. I asked the same question a while
back
and someone very promptly sent me two close-up photos of their Johnson
setup
(one static, one in flight) but I don't remember who it was (black wing
struts, yellow wings). Probably Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer or Ed
Grentzer. I
would be glad to send out those photos to anyone who wants them; you
could
easily build one just like it by eyeball, along with this narrative info
found in the archives:
============
>It uses a .047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is
bent
>perpendicular to
>lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. The
coil
>is 3/4" in diameter
>and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded thru bushing that
is
>3/8" long.
>From the center of the coil, to the tip of the pointer, is 7". The
bushing
>that is in the
>center of the coil is 3/8" diameter and is about 3/32" long. The bolt
is
>about a #6,
>and on each side of the coil is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The
>coil and pivot point
>is covered with a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot
cut
>for the pointer
>to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the
>indicator markings
>is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 thru 90 mph. The
>angle plate
>that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X .030" thick,
>with the pointer
>is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is next to the backing plate.
To
>attach the
>music wire to the angle plate, it has a small aluminum block that
measures
>1/4" X 1/4"
>X 3/4". The .040" wire is drilled thru length wise, and has two #2 (or
>smaller) set screws
>to secure the plate, wire, and block.
===============
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Time: 09:58:33 AM PST US
Chuck....
Have you discussed this project with all of us out here? It is very
hard to watch
one stray from the "only" plane made for fun and true spirit of
flying...However,
maybe we should have a vote to see if you have permission to stray from
the group on this new venture......tee-hee-hee
Do not archive
Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/12/2006 5:30:40 PM Central Standard Time,
jimboyer@hughes.net
writes:
Chuck, you are making great progress on the tailwind. How long have
you been
working on it? You are too productive.
Cheers, Jim
Jim,
I more or less committed to the Tailwind W10 project, soon after I
finished construction
on the Piet, in early '02. I had a serious case of 'Builders Withdraw'.
Time spent on it has been on & off till about a month ago, and I really
started spending a lot of time on the fuselage. The Tailwind is All
About SPEED
!! On 150 hp, they typically cruise around 180 mph, and can easily go
over
200 mph !! I'm planning on a 'Glass Panel', too.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Time: 02:01:14 PM PST US
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Kerri Ann Price made and sold them several years ago. Don't know if he
is still selling them or how to get hold of him anymore. I loaned mine
to "Smoken Chuck" to look at. I need to get over there and pick it up
before it ends up on the Tailwind! Last year there was a big
discussion about the high cost of gas just before Brodhead. It was only
$2.15! I thought it may be my last road trip. This year i'm going at
nearly $3.00 a gal! go figure. See y"all at Brodhead Leon S.
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 02:23:46 PM PST US
Hi Chuck,
I can understand the builders withdrawal sypmtoms. after you have worked
on something
for several years and enjoyed it; its hard not to have somehing to work
on.
What was your thinking on picking the Wittman tailwind versus some of
the newer
designs using composite construction? I know it is very fast for the
power as
a local friend, Art Beer, had one for a long time, but it seems to
require a
lot more effort than some of the newer designs. Also since Steve had a
proven
Olds/Buick V8 conversion why are you using a Lycoming (probably the
obvious that
you had it).
Your workmanship from what I can see in the photos really looks good
Chuck. You
are an inspiration to the rest of us.
Cheers, Jim
________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
Time: 02:23:58 PM PST US
In a message dated 7/13/2006 8:17:46 AM Central Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
Rogers asked-
>Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion
>Johnson airspeed indicator?
Nobody really answered his question. I asked the same question a while
back
and someone very promptly sent me two close-up photos of their Johnson
setup
(one static, one in flight) but I don't remember who it was (black wing
struts, yellow wings). Probably Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer or Ed
Grentzer. I
would be glad to send out those photos to anyone who wants them; you
could
easily build one just like it by eyeball, along with this narrative info
found in the archives:
============
>It uses a .047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is
bent
>perpendicular to
>lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. The
coil
>is 3/4" in diameter
>and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded thru bushing that
is
>3/8" long.
>From the center of the coil, to the tip of the pointer, is 7". The
bushing
>that is in the
>center of the coil is 3/8" diameter and is about 3/32" long. The bolt
is
>about a #6,
>and on each side of the coil is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The
>coil and pivot point
>is covered with a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot
cut
>for the pointer
>to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the
>indicator markings
>is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 thru 90 mph. The
>angle plate
>that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X .030" thick,
>with the pointer
>is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is next to the backing plate.
To
>attach the
>music wire to the angle plate, it has a small aluminum block that
measures
>1/4" X 1/4"
>X 3/4". The .040" wire is drilled thru length wise, and has two #2 (or
>smaller) set screws
>to secure the plate, wire, and block.
===============
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Oscar,
Yes, that was my text reply, because I took all those measurements from
the
one I borrowed from Leon S. I don't think I sent the pictures, though,
because I didn't complete the one I was building...Oh well...I'll git
'er done
one
of these days.
Leon,
I've still got it here, in the package it came in. Don't worry, it
won't end
up on the Tailwind...way too much Drag !! The Tailwind is All about
EFFICIENCY...Speed is a by-product.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Time: 02:34:18 PM PST US
In a message dated 7/13/2006 12:00:13 PM Central Standard Time,
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com writes:
Chuck....
Have you discussed this project with all of us out here? It is very hard
to
watch one stray from the "only" plane made for fun and true spirit of
flying...However, maybe we should have a vote to see if you have
permission to
stray
from the group on this new venture......tee-hee-hee
Well, ya know, I've toiled over that very thought. The Tailwind has
been Top
Secret for years now, for that very reason...but now the cat's out of
the bag
!! No Worry, in an effort to get the groups permission for this next
project, I'm not straying from the 'Low & Slow'. And besides, the
Tailwind IS
a
'Scratch Built Plane'. And also besides that, Everybody needs to have
Two
airplanes !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
Time: 03:31:11 PM PST US
In a message dated 7/13/2006 4:24:50 PM Central Standard Time,
jimboyer@hughes.net writes:
What was your thinking on picking the Wittman tailwind versus some of
the
newer designs using composite construction? I know it is very fast for
the power
as a local friend, Art Beer, had one for a long time, but it seems to
require
a lot more effort than some of the newer designs. Also since Steve had a
proven Olds/Buick V8 conversion why are you using a Lycoming (probably
the obvious
that you had it).
I was looking for a Fast, Economical, Scratch Built Plane. It came
down
to a Long EZ and the Tailwind. The Wittman Tailwind W10 fit the bill
this
time, but the Long EZ is going to be my next project after the Tailwind.
The
'Fast Glass' planes today, are almost all Kit Planes, and I'm just not a
kit
builder. Before I built the Pietenpol, I designed and scratch built
several very
unique Radio Control Airplanes. In fact, that's where I got my screen
name
from...R C A P R D - Radio Controlled Air Plane Research & Development.
My ol'
R.C. flying buddies nicknamed me 'RD'. I would keep them entertained
with
some of the crazy things I brought to the field for test flights !! I
still have
two of them hanging from the ceiling here in my house.
Steve Wittman did a tremendous amount of work to get the 215 - 265
C.I.D.
Aluminum Block Inverted Olds engine to a point where it was reliable,
and
very few people have done it since him. There is a picture in Wittman's
hanger
of a bunch of guys, two of which are Bernard H. Pietenpol, Steve
Wittman, as
well as some other very notable characters from that time period.
Bernard and
Steve had very similar design philosophy's - Build it Light and Simple.
They
just operated at different ends of the Speed Spectrum.
The Lycoming O-320 is the engine of choice for many of today's
Tailwinds,
and RV's because of it's reliability, and dependability. It was
probably the
best engine that Lycoming has ever built. I just hope I can get this
Tailwind flying before Jack P. sells his RV4, which has the exact same
engine I
have
for the Tailwind.
Ya see...I bet him a Beer, that I could pass him up !!! :)
Chuck G.
NX770CG
________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 11:02:29 PM PST US
Chuck,
LongE plans are no longer sold by RAF, but there's plenty of good
partially done stuff that occasionally shows up on E-bay, virgin set of
plans with serial no. sold on Ebay year or so ago for $1500. Couple
years ago, I found a partial Tailwind on E-Bay, considered it strongly
instead of last Osprey project, but couldn't fit.. Re composite planes
with plans, the Cozy plans are still available. Builds just like the LE
but bigger and can take 0-360. Nice thing about these plans modified by
Puffer from the original Rutan LE plans, is anyone who's built or worked
on building other planes can actually follow the plans step by step and
actually build the darn thing, unlike the plans for the Osprey and some
others. Terrific support for canard-pushers via newsletters from
Central States Aviators group out of Cleveland and also the
canardaviators group on yahoo.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Next project - Wittman Tailwind W10
In a message dated 7/13/2006 4:24:50 PM Central Standard Time,
jimboyer@hughes.net writes:
What was your thinking on picking the Wittman tailwind versus some
of the newer designs using composite construction? I know it is very
fast for the power as a local friend, Art Beer, had one for a long time,
but it seems to require a lot more effort than some of the newer
designs. Also since Steve had a proven Olds/Buick V8 conversion why are
you using a Lycoming (probably the obvious that you had it).
I was looking for a Fast, Economical, Scratch Built Plane. It
came down to a Long EZ and the Tailwind. The Wittman Tailwind W10 fit
the bill this time, but the Long EZ is going to be my next project after
the Tailwind. The 'Fast Glass' planes today, are almost all Kit Planes,
and I'm just not a kit builder. Before I built the Pietenpol, I
designed and scratch built several very unique Radio Control Airplanes.
In fact, that's where I got my screen name from...R C A P R D - Radio
Controlled Air Plane Research & Development. My ol' R.C. flying buddies
nicknamed me 'RD'. I would keep them entertained with some of the crazy
things I brought to the field for test flights !! I still have two of
them hanging from the ceiling here in my house.
Steve Wittman did a tremendous amount of work to get the 215 - 265
C.I.D. Aluminum Block Inverted Olds engine to a point where it was
reliable, and very few people have done it since him. There is a
picture in Wittman's hanger of a bunch of guys, two of which are Bernard
H. Pietenpol, Steve Wittman, as well as some other very notable
characters from that time period. Bernard and Steve had very similar
design philosophy's - Build it Light and Simple. They just operated at
different ends of the Speed Spectrum.
The Lycoming O-320 is the engine of choice for many of today's
Tailwinds, and RV's because of it's reliability, and dependability. It
was probably the best engine that Lycoming has ever built. I just hope
I can get this Tailwind flying before Jack P. sells his RV4, which has
the exact same engine I have for the Tailwind.
Ya see...I bet him a Beer, that I could pass him up !!! :)
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <lnawms@fuse.net>
I thought it might be fun to count noses as time gets closer as to how many Pietenpols
(and similiarly configured aircraft) will be flying to C37 for the reunion.
I know that there are several that don't have computers who will show up, so those
will be bonuses.
I'll be coming in from CVG if the weather is good, I don't break a prop or barf
my engine, and all the joints hold up (mine and the airplane's). My plan on leaving
from Brodhead is to head to my new home field in Arkansas.
Seems like there are enough new Piets flying this year to make it a really big
show!
Larry
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| Subject: | Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
For a store-bought source see...
http://www.science-city.com/jodewest.html
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Well, it is getting down to the wire, I'm not going this year. I just
can't break away till this stinson is done! I'm about ready to engine
start, but I'm waiting on the FAA to let me install a non-PMA'ed part
for my oil filter system. It just kills me going certified, after the
freedom of amateur built. Have a great trip and take some pictures for
me. Lets get together and swap rides after you get back!
Steve Eldredge
Brigham Young University
Chief Engineer Mass Storage and Servers
801-422-7130
steve@byu.edu
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dog67@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:04 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dog67@aol.com
Steve - I have an empty seat in a glastar, if you want a ride to
Brodhead.
Just have to leave earlier that week :)
Cheers
jon apfelbaum
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| Subject: | Re: flying to B'head |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
NX18235 is planning to be there.
Greg C.
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Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:09 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <lnawms@fuse.net>
>
> I thought it might be fun to count noses as time gets closer as to how
> many Pietenpols (and similiarly configured aircraft) will be flying to C37
> for the reunion.
>
> I know that there are several that don't have computers who will show up,
> so those will be bonuses.
>
> I'll be coming in from CVG if the weather is good, I don't break a prop or
> barf my engine, and all the joints hold up (mine and the airplane's). My
> plan on leaving from Brodhead is to head to my new home field in Arkansas.
>
> Seems like there are enough new Piets flying this year to make it a really
> big show!
>
> Larry
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Whoops. As you can tell this was a supposed to be a personal email to
Jon....
Do not archive.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Eldredge
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:51 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Well, it is getting down to the wire, I'm not going this year. I just
can't break away till this stinson is done! I'm about ready to engine
start, but I'm waiting on the FAA to let me install a non-PMA'ed part
for my oil filter system. It just kills me going certified, after the
freedom of amateur built. Have a great trip and take some pictures for
me. Lets get together and swap rides after you get back!
Steve Eldredge
Brigham Young University
Chief Engineer Mass Storage and Servers
801-422-7130
steve@byu.edu
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dog67@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:04 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dog67@aol.com
Steve - I have an empty seat in a glastar, if you want a ride to
Brodhead.
Just have to leave earlier that week :)
Cheers
jon apfelbaum
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Buzz |
Sounds good Steve E - Will do.
For the larger group - since this is my first time flying into Brodhead -
any rules, suggestions, patterns etc? I'm flying a Glastar
See you there
Cheers
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator |
Here's an original DeHaviland one and the Johnson.
I've made two after the DeHaviland style but they're
not calibrated yet.
There's one I've seen on an older Piet that I believe
is in a museum somewhere that had a turtle and a
rabbit for speed indication.
Clif
Hey ya'll
Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion
Johnson airspeed indicator?
Rogers Theetge (Thet key)
Capnavid@aol.com
N. Ga Mountains
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Buzz |
Hi Jon,
Lots of airplanes without radios, keep your eyes open and head on a swivel.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
my first time flying into Brodhead - any rules, suggestions, patterns etc? I'm
flying a Glastar
See you there
Cheers
Jon
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