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1. 08:00 AM - Piet list name tags? (Arden Adamson)
2. 08:09 AM - Re: Piet list name tags? (Phillips, Jack)
3. 12:22 PM - Brodhead atempt, What an adventure (shad bell)
4. 01:16 PM - Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure (Phillips, Jack)
5. 08:08 PM - Brodhead '06 ()
6. 10:01 PM - Re: Brodhead '06 (gcardinal)
7. 11:23 PM - Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure (shad bell)
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| Subject: | Piet list name tags? |
Gentlemen,
I have been following all comments on the Piet list for several years
but not posting very many comments myself. Am building a Piet and will
be flying to Brodhead with my Skyhawk on Saturday morning to spend the
day.
Just a suggestion-It sure would be nice if all you guys wore name tags
so I (and others) could identify and meet you in person. I would sure
appreciate the privilege of getting acquainted.
Looking forward to seeing you there.
Arden Adamson
Waupaca, WI
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| Subject: | Piet list name tags? |
Arden, are you talking about next year's Brodhead fly-in? This year's
fly in was this past weekend. It is always the weekend before the other
fly-in at Oshkosh.
Jack Phillips
Grounded by weather all weekend
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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:17 AM
Gentlemen,
I have been following all comments on the Piet list for several years
but not posting very many comments myself. Am building a Piet and will
be flying to Brodhead with my Skyhawk on Saturday morning to spend the
day.
Just a suggestion-It sure would be nice if all you guys wore name tags
so I (and others) could identify and meet you in person. I would sure
appreciate the privilege of getting acquainted.
Looking forward to seeing you there.
Arden Adamson
Waupaca, WI
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| Subject: | Brodhead atempt, What an adventure |
Hello Guys,
Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was dissapointing
to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I headed up for Brodhead
on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH. Fuel stops atevanwertthento Warsaw
IN. The only set back untill then was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled
fuel stop at Lima OH to wait for clearing skys. I was driving the truck
at this point, over to Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at Warsaw
and fly over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad at Valpo and
he bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane since we have the corvair
and run 15w40. So I take off again excited but cautious about the wind
at Joliet airport in IL. The WX briefer called for 8-12 ktsout of the NE. Well
along I go headed for Joliet and it starts raining lightly, no big deal it's
only 8 miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look down and see corn blowing over
so hard it looks like waves of water. With out
hesitating I punched in awos for joliet and the winds were 26kts gusting to 36
kts at 020 deg, almost directly accross joliets runway. I remember passing a
small airport to my east with 2 runways and one of them was halfway in to the
wind, so I turned around and realized my ground speed at my 2000 ft alt was close
to 30mph. I got to the airport and got her down with no scrapes tears or
bruises and the airplane handled it relitivly good. After pretty much flying
the piet ( stalls at 34 indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went inside
to see if this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport
was Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving to go
home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the weather cleared.
He also let me do something unheard of these days, He gave me the key to
the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas i thought I would need and trusted
me not to take more than I paid for. He then
told me the sad news of how his airport would be bull-dozed in 10 days for housing
developments. After waiting for 3 hrs I accepted I would not make Brodhead
on friday I called dad, who was fighting Chicago traffic at 6pm, and said it
was no-go and I would like a ride and some food, bed etc etc. He found the
airport which is way off the beaten path and we stayed in joliet at the holiday
inn. On saturday the sky was clear and the winds light so we went back early
and got the piet ready for the 3-4 hrs of flying on up to Brodhead. I was flying
and after taking off the engine rpm dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered
that corvairs are very prone to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and
it raised about 200 rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3 times to
make sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15 miles to joliet.
I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field and the engine started
loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just
barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary approach to
joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and industry. I made the airport
without complete power loss and called dad who was only 30 mins away, and
told him we need to do some work on the engine. We ended up checking the sediment
bowl, it was clean. The carborateor was the next susspect so we took it
off , took it apart and cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck (with
people looking at us like we were crazy). We found just a little bit of verry
fine sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl and blew out the jets. After
getting the carb installed we test ran tied down at full power for 10-12 min.
It ran fine and made the full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around Joliet for
20-30 min and no problems. We fueled up and I was still flying so I went off
to the north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was running great and it was
a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and
headed north to Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before Brodhead.
I went in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the pop up storms around
the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I only had 35 miles to go
so I taxied out and took off and right after passing the end of the runway on
climb out the engine started acting up again, so I circled and landed and called
dad. He was near Beloit WI getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran
it and we could duplicate the problem on the ground so we made the decission to
truck her home. By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles from home and
now we have to find a way to get her home without dammaging her. This is where
an uncommonly generous man, Steve Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove airport
let us pull the airplane into his hanger and start pulling the wings. He then
offered us use of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the piet home. This was
VERY appreciated as we had no idea how or what we
were going to do with this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was being served
we were pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be shipped home on the
back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could have been much much worse.
I, my father, and lastly the airplane all live to fly another day. We also
foud out that esspecially in our chosen hobby of airplanes and aviation there
are generous and out-going people. So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts
: like the Cubs fans say, "There is always next year".
Fly safe
Shad Bell
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| Subject: | Brodhead atempt, What an adventure |
Good story Shad, and glad it all worked out safely for you. Having had
a partial power failure induced forced landing in mine, I know the
feeling of sphincter-clinch that grabs hold of you when you hear and
feel the engine suddenly not doing right.
Do you think the second problem with the engine was sediment in the
carburetor? Do you have a fuel filter in the line?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:20 PM
Hello Guys,
Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was
dissapointing to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I
headed up for Brodhead on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH.
Fuel stops atevanwertthento Warsaw IN. The only set back untill then
was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled fuel stop at Lima OH to wait
for clearing skys. I was driving the truck at this point, over to
Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at Warsaw and fly
over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad at Valpo and he
bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane since we have the
corvair and run 15w40. So I take off again excited but cautious about
the wind at Joliet airport in IL. The WX briefer called for 8-12 ktsout
of the NE. Well along I go headed for Joliet and it starts raining
lightly, no big deal it's only 8 miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look
down and see corn blowing over so hard it looks like waves of water.
With out hesitating I punched in awos for joliet and the winds were
26kts gusting to 36 kts at 020 deg, almost directly accross joliets
runway. I remember passing a small airport to my east with 2 runways
and one of them was halfway in to the wind, so I turned around and
realized my ground speed at my 2000 ft alt was close to 30mph. I got to
the airport and got her down with no scrapes tears or bruises and the
airplane handled it relitivly good. After pretty much flying the piet (
stalls at 34 indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went inside
to see if this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport
was Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving
to go home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the
weather cleared. He also let me do something unheard of these days, He
gave me the key to the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas i
thought I would need and trusted me not to take more than I paid for.
He then told me the sad news of how his airport would be bull-dozed in
10 days for housing developments. After waiting for 3 hrs I accepted I
would not make Brodhead on friday I called dad, who was fighting Chicago
traffic at 6pm, and said it was no-go and I would like a ride and some
food, bed etc etc. He found the airport which is way off the beaten
path and we stayed in joliet at the holiday inn. On saturday the sky was
clear and the winds light so we went back early and got the piet ready
for the 3-4 hrs of flying on up to Brodhead. I was flying and after
taking off the engine rpm dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered that
corvairs are very prone to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and it
raised about 200 rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3
times to make sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15
miles to joliet. I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field
and the engine started loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just
barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary
approach to joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and
industry. I made the airport without complete power loss and called dad
who was only 30 mins away, and told him we need to do some work on the
engine. We ended up checking the sediment bowl, it was clean. The
carborateor was the next susspect so we took it off , took it apart and
cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck (with people looking at
us like we were crazy). We found just a little bit of verry fine
sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl and blew out the jets. After
getting the carb installed we test ran tied down at full power for 10-12
min. It ran fine and made the full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around
Joliet for 20-30 min and no problems. We fueled up and I was still
flying so I went off to the north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was
running great and it was a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and
headed north to Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before
Brodhead. I went in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the
pop up storms around the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I
only had 35 miles to go so I taxied out and took off and right after
passing the end of the runway on climb out the engine started acting up
again, so I circled and landed and called dad. He was near Beloit WI
getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran it and we could duplicate
the problem on the ground so we made the decission to truck her home.
By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles from home and now we
have to find a way to get her home without dammaging her. This is where
an uncommonly generous man, Steve Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove
airport let us pull the airplane into his hanger and start pulling the
wings. He then offered us use of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the
piet home. This was VERY appreciated as we had no idea how or what we
were going to do with this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was
being served we were pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be
shipped home on the back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could
have been much much worse. I, my father, and lastly the airplane all
live to fly another day. We also foud out that esspecially in our
chosen hobby of airplanes and aviation there are generous and out-going
people. So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts : like the Cubs fans
say, "There is always next year".
Fly safe
Shad Bell
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <lnawms@fuse.net>
Ok, what's the scoop on the reunion for those who got weathered out or otherwise
didn't make it. Was the turn-out good, was the weather good, was the food good?
Inquiring minds want to know!!
Larry
ps. pictures would be nice............
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Turn out was relatively light due to Friday's weather being uncooperative in
all quadrants but especially bad to the south.
7 or 8 Pietenpols and quite a few Hatz airplanes made it in. The
Barnstorming Tour made a quick stop which included several Waco and
Travelair models.
Sunday's weather was delightful and the return trip more than made up for
the grueling flight in on Friday.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:05 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <lnawms@fuse.net>
>
> Ok, what's the scoop on the reunion for those who got weathered out or
> otherwise didn't make it. Was the turn-out good, was the weather good, was
> the food good? Inquiring minds want to know!!
>
> Larry
>
> ps. pictures would be nice............
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Brodhead atempt, What an adventure |
Hello Jack, We are suspecting that there may be debris partially blocking the fuel
flow into the carb. We just got it unloaded today but have not worked on
it yet. When we had it appart we did not find any hard evidence as to what was
causing the problem. The strangest thig is that it ran fine for 45hrs and even
the flight to Brodhead it was running great ecept for the intermitant problems
we encountered. The fuel line will flow great when we disconnected the fuel
feed line from the carb. I think we will compleatley tear down the carb and
see if there is something loose and possibly "flaping" into the fuel flow path
causing an intermitant restriction. I susspected it was lack of fuel flow
because after it starts loosing rpm I could pull it back to idle and run it up
to 3300 rpm and it would get the full 3300 but drop off suddenly after 5-10
seconds. I also could get it to rise in rpm if I gave it a shot of primer while
it was running rough. We inspected the finger
strainer in the carb and it was clean. Do you have much experiance with marvel/schebler
carbs?
Sincerly
Shad
"Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
Good story Shad, and glad it all worked out safely for you. Having
had a partial power failure induced forced landing in mine, I know the feeling
of sphincter-clinch that grabs hold of you when you hear and feel the engine
suddenly not doing right.
Do you think the second problem with the engine was sediment in the carburetor?
Do you have a fuel filter in the line?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:20 PM
Hello Guys,
Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was dissapointing
to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I headed up for Brodhead
on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH. Fuel stops atevanwertthento Warsaw
IN. The only set back untill then was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled
fuel stop at Lima OH to wait for clearing skys. I was driving the truck
at this point, over to Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at
Warsaw and fly over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad at Valpo
and he bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane since we have the
corvair and run 15w40. So I take off again excited but cautious about the wind
at Joliet airport in IL. The WX briefer called for 8-12 ktsout of the NE.
Well along I go headed for Joliet and it starts raining lightly, no big deal it's
only 8 miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look down and see corn blowing over
so hard it looks like waves of water. With out
hesitating I punched in awos for joliet and the winds were 26kts gusting to 36
kts at 020 deg, almost directly accross joliets runway. I remember passing a
small airport to my east with 2 runways and one of them was halfway in to the
wind, so I turned around and realized my ground speed at my 2000 ft alt was close
to 30mph. I got to the airport and got her down with no scrapes tears or
bruises and the airplane handled it relitivly good. After pretty much flying
the piet ( stalls at 34 indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went inside
to see if this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport
was Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving to go
home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the weather cleared.
He also let me do something unheard of these days, He gave me the key to
the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas i thought I would need and trusted
me not to take more than I paid for. He then
told me the sad news of how his airport would be bull-dozed in 10 days for housing
developments. After waiting for 3 hrs I accepted I would not make Brodhead
on friday I called dad, who was fighting Chicago traffic at 6pm, and said it
was no-go and I would like a ride and some food, bed etc etc. He found the
airport which is way off the beaten path and we stayed in joliet at the holiday
inn. On saturday the sky was clear and the winds light so we went back early
and got the piet ready for the 3-4 hrs of flying on up to Brodhead. I was flying
and after taking off the engine rpm dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered
that corvairs are very prone to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and
it raised about 200 rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3 times to
make sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15 miles to joliet.
I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field and the engine started
loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just
barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary approach to
joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and industry. I made the airport
without complete power loss and called dad who was only 30 mins away, and
told him we need to do some work on the engine. We ended up checking the sediment
bowl, it was clean. The carborateor was the next susspect so we took it
off , took it apart and cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck (with
people looking at us like we were crazy). We found just a little bit of verry
fine sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl and blew out the jets. After
getting the carb installed we test ran tied down at full power for 10-12 min.
It ran fine and made the full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around Joliet for
20-30 min and no problems. We fueled up and I was still flying so I went off
to the north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was running great and it was
a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and
headed north to Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before Brodhead.
I went in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the pop up storms around
the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I only had 35 miles to go
so I taxied out and took off and right after passing the end of the runway on
climb out the engine started acting up again, so I circled and landed and called
dad. He was near Beloit WI getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran
it and we could duplicate the problem on the ground so we made the decission to
truck her home. By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles from home and
now we have to find a way to get her home without dammaging her. This is where
an uncommonly generous man, Steve Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove airport
let us pull the airplane into his hanger and start pulling the wings. He then
offered us use of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the piet home. This was
VERY appreciated as we had no idea how or what we
were going to do with this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was being served
we were pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be shipped home on the
back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could have been much much worse.
I, my father, and lastly the airplane all live to fly another day. We also
foud out that esspecially in our chosen hobby of airplanes and aviation there
are generous and out-going people. So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts
: like the Cubs fans say, "There is always next year".
Fly safe
Shad Bell
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