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1. 08:37 AM - Re: Brodhead '06 (Bill Church)
2. 09:34 AM - Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure (Gary Gower)
3. 10:27 AM - Re: Brodhead '06 (bike.mike)
4. 10:54 AM - Re: Brodhead '06 (Bill Church)
5. 09:05 PM - Harley-Davidson powered aircraft (Greg Bacon)
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For Larry and those of you who couldn't be there, here's a brief rundown
of the weekend.
The weather was for the most part, quite nice. The evenings were quite
nice for sleeping under the stars. But there were a few periods of rain,
or threatening skies. Unfortunately, due to the unsettled weather all
around, a few who had planned on attending were not able to make it.
Attendance was apparently down as well; the food line-ups didn't seem to
be as long as usual, although the parking lot looked pretty full on
Saturday. There were, by my count, ten Pietenpol aircraft in attendance
- three based at Brodhead, and seven that flew in for the event.
Saturday there was a visit by approximately ten vintage biplanes - part
of the American Barnstormers Tour - on their way (eventually) to
Oshkosh. Sunday morning saw the early departure of many visitors. Most
had left by 10:00 AM. It was actually the nicest day of the weekend,
weatherwise. Following is a list (in alpha-numerical order) of the Piets
in attendance.
NX2RN Dick Navratil's A-65 Air Camper
NX17RW Bill Rewey,s A-65 Air Camper
N34KP Ken Perkins' Ford "A" Air Camper
N57TL Tim Mickel's O-200 Air Camper
N58TL Bill Emo's Air Camper (twin to N57TL)
NX497AR Lowell Frank's Radial-engined Air Camper
NX899EM Dennis Hall's Ford "A" Sky Scout
NX899H "the Last Original" Corvair Air Camper
NX18235 Cardinal/Johnson A-65 Air Camper
And one unidentified Piet from one of the hangars at Brodhead, that came
out for a couple of flights, but didn't park with the others.
Ken Perkins', Bill Rewey's and Tim Mickel's planes were hopping rides
most of the time on Saturday.
I've attached a few lower resolution pictures, and I will post some more
to Photoshare in the next few days.
Bill C.
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Sent: July 24, 2006 11:16 PM
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Ok, what's the scoop on the reunion for those who got weathered out or
otherwise didn't make it. Was the turn-out good, was the weather good,
was the food good? Inquiring minds want to know!!
Larry
ps. pictures would be nice............
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| Subject: | Brodhead atempt, What an adventure |
Shad,
Just to complete the fuel system check task, take a look (clean) the shut off
valve below the tank and take a look at the finger strainer, if in the tank,
Also take a look inside the tank with a lamp and a mirror, if it was sloshed
(?) (sealed) some products are afected by some auto fuel and peel off, we
had a case like that in an aluminum aux tank from a Kitfox... peeled off like
cheap paint.... was factory sealed several years ago.
All posibilities (in reasson) should be checked out.
Hope this helps.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
No Piet but in the list for years.
shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello Jack, We are suspecting that there
may be debris partially blocking the fuel flow into the carb. We just got
it unloaded today but have not worked on it yet. When we had it appart we did
not find any hard evidence as to what was causing the problem. The strangest
thig is that it ran fine for 45hrs and even the flight to Brodhead it was running
great ecept for the intermitant problems we encountered. The fuel line will
flow great when we disconnected the fuel feed line from the carb. I think
we will compleatley tear down the carb and see if there is something loose and
possibly "flaping" into the fuel flow path causing an intermitant restriction.
I susspected it was lack of fuel flow because after it starts loosing rpm
I could pull it back to idle and run it up to 3300 rpm and it would get the full
3300 but drop off suddenly after 5-10 seconds. I also could get it to rise
in rpm if I gave it a shot of primer while it was
running rough. We inspected the finger strainer in the carb and it was clean.
Do you have much experiance with marvel/schebler carbs?
Sincerly
Shad
"Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
Good story Shad, and glad it all worked out safely for you. Having
had a partial power failure induced forced landing in mine, I know the feeling
of sphincter-clinch that grabs hold of you when you hear and feel the engine
suddenly not doing right.
Do you think the second problem with the engine was sediment in the carburetor?
Do you have a fuel filter in the line?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:20 PM
Hello Guys,
Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was dissapointing
to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I headed up for Brodhead
on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH. Fuel stops atevanwertthento
Warsaw IN. The only set back untill then was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled
fuel stop at Lima OH to wait for clearing skys. I was driving the truck
at this point, over to Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at
Warsaw and fly over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad at Valpo
and he bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane since we have the
corvair and run 15w40. So I take off again excited but cautious about the wind
at Joliet airport in IL. The WX briefer called for 8-12 ktsout of the NE.
Well along I go headed for Joliet and it starts raining lightly, no big deal
it's only 8 miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look down and see corn blowing over
so hard it looks like waves of water. With out
hesitating I punched in awos for joliet and the winds were 26kts gusting to 36
kts at 020 deg, almost directly accross joliets runway. I remember passing
a small airport to my east with 2 runways and one of them was halfway in to the
wind, so I turned around and realized my ground speed at my 2000 ft alt was
close to 30mph. I got to the airport and got her down with no scrapes tears or
bruises and the airplane handled it relitivly good. After pretty much flying
the piet ( stalls at 34 indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went
inside to see if this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport
was Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving to
go home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the weather cleared.
He also let me do something unheard of these days, He gave me the key to
the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas i thought I would need and trusted
me not to take more than I paid for. He then
told me the sad news of how his airport would be bull-dozed in 10 days for housing
developments. After waiting for 3 hrs I accepted I would not make Brodhead
on friday I called dad, who was fighting Chicago traffic at 6pm, and said
it was no-go and I would like a ride and some food, bed etc etc. He found the
airport which is way off the beaten path and we stayed in joliet at the holiday
inn. On saturday the sky was clear and the winds light so we went back early
and got the piet ready for the 3-4 hrs of flying on up to Brodhead. I was flying
and after taking off the engine rpm dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered
that corvairs are very prone to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and
it raised about 200 rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3 times
to make sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15 miles to joliet.
I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field and the engine started
loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just
barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary approach to
joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and industry. I made the airport
without complete power loss and called dad who was only 30 mins away, and
told him we need to do some work on the engine. We ended up checking the sediment
bowl, it was clean. The carborateor was the next susspect so we took it
off , took it apart and cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck (with
people looking at us like we were crazy). We found just a little bit of verry
fine sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl and blew out the jets. After
getting the carb installed we test ran tied down at full power for 10-12 min.
It ran fine and made the full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around Joliet for
20-30 min and no problems. We fueled up and I was still flying so I went off
to the north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was running great and it was
a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and
headed north to Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before Brodhead.
I went in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the pop up storms around
the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I only had 35 miles to go
so I taxied out and took off and right after passing the end of the runway on
climb out the engine started acting up again, so I circled and landed and called
dad. He was near Beloit WI getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran
it and we could duplicate the problem on the ground so we made the decission to
truck her home. By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles from home and
now we have to find a way to get her home without dammaging her. This is where
an uncommonly generous man, Steve Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove airport
let us pull the airplane into his hanger and start pulling the wings. He then
offered us use of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the piet home. This was
VERY appreciated as we had no idea how or what
we were going to do with this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was being
served we were pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be shipped home on
the back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could have been much much
worse. I, my father, and lastly the airplane all live to fly another day. We
also foud out that esspecially in our chosen hobby of airplanes and aviation
there are generous and out-going people. So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts
: like the Cubs fans say, "There is always next year".
Fly safe
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead '06 |
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Looking at Bill Church's photo of NX899EM, Dennis Hall's pretty red and
black Ford "A" Sky Scout...
I'm not familiar with Scout landing gear so don't know if Dennis' is to
plans or if he has something special.
Can someone illuminate for me?
Mike Hardaway
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Mike,
The landing gear is per plans (although I've never seen the Sky Scout
plans, personally).
Dennis said he had to work a bit to get the wheels to track straight.
But then, once the springs compress a bit, the alignment changes too, so
he has them to track straight under "normal" compression. I have read
somewhere that Bernard Pietenpol later said that the Sky Scout gear is
too much work, and should probably be the same as the Air Camper gear.
But it does look cool.
So, to answer your question, Yes, Dennis' gear is to plans, and Yes, he
does have something special.
Bill C
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bike.mike
Sent: July 25, 2006 1:31 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike"
--> <bike.mike@charter.net>
Looking at Bill Church's photo of NX899EM, Dennis Hall's pretty red and
black Ford "A" Sky Scout...
I'm not familiar with Scout landing gear so don't know if Dennis' is to
plans or if he has something special.
Can someone illuminate for me?
Mike Hardaway
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| Subject: | Harley-Davidson powered aircraft |
Does anyone know the model of the biplane with the harley engine that is
in one of the hangars at Brodhead?
Thanks,
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, Missouri
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