---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/26/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:52 AM - Re: Brodhead '06 (M&M Stanley) 2. 06:22 AM - checking fuel tank with flashlight (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 07:02 AM - Re: checking fuel tank with flashlight () 4. 07:44 AM - Re: Harley-Davidson powered aircraft (Michael Conkling) 5. 07:48 AM - Re: Brodhead '06 (Bill Church) 6. 08:26 AM - Re: checking fuel tank with flashlight (Hans Vander Voort) 7. 11:06 AM - Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure (Jeff Boatright) 8. 01:31 PM - Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure (Barry Davis) 9. 02:27 PM - Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure (Jeff Boatright) 10. 02:57 PM - Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure (Mark Blackwell) 11. 03:37 PM - Re: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure (gcardinal) 12. 08:14 PM - DVD Video - 'Building NX770CG' now available (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:46 AM PST US From: "M&M Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '06 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "M&M Stanley" Hi Bill, Thanks for the photos and brief rundown on Brodhead. It was a welcome sight to hear something about what went on this year. I remember last year hanging out to see some shots after the event, so from those of us who couldn't get there,... good on ya!! Thanks! Mark S Hot'nHumid Japan ----- Original Message ----- >For Larry and those of you who couldn't be there, here's a brief rundown >of the weekend. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:42 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: checking fuel tank with flashlight guys, I've always wondered about this one. Isn't there an inherent danger in shining a flashlight down into a fuel tank with vapors present? Is the odds of ignition so long that we dont consider them? or should we be wary of doing this and figure out a different way to get light in there? Have one friend who lost an eye playing with a gas tank, and another killed three months ago playing with an oil tank outside his home. Douwe Re the harley powered biplane. If it's the red fuse, clear doped wing one. I knew the name, but can't remember it right now. I think I was told it was a very early homebuilt design. Did it fly this year? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:15 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: checking fuel tank with flashlight I have never heard of a flashlight causing ignition of gas fumes.Turn the flashlight on well away from the opening and shut it off well away from the opening and I don't see a problem. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: July 26, 2006 9:24 AM guys, I've always wondered about this one. Isn't there an inherent danger in shining a flashlight down into a fuel tank with vapors present? Is the odds of ignition so long that we dont consider them? or should we be wary of doing this and figure out a different way to get light in there? Have one friend who lost an eye playing with a gas tank, and another killed three months ago playing with an oil tank outside his home. Douwe Re the harley powered biplane. If it's the red fuse, clear doped wing one. I knew the name, but can't remember it right now. I think I was told it was a very early homebuilt design. Did it fly this year? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:34 AM PST US From: "Michael Conkling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harley-Davidson powered aircraft "Baby Bomber" (!?) a late 1920's design -- It was started & running in 2005 -- it broke the tail skid on the way out to takeoff! ;-( Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Bacon To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Harley-Davidson powered aircraft Does anyone know the model of the biplane with the harley engine that is in one of the hangars at Brodhead? Thanks, Greg Bacon Prairie Home, Missouri ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:57 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '06 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" No problem, Mark. I know I would be anxious to see some pictures if I hadn't been there. I have just posted some higher resolution shots to Photoshare, so they should show up in a week or so. Bill C. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of M&M Stanley Sent: July 26, 2006 9:00 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "M&M Stanley" Hi Bill, Thanks for the photos and brief rundown on Brodhead. It was a welcome sight to hear something about what went on this year. I remember last year hanging out to see some shots after the event, so from those of us who couldn't get there,... good on ya!! Thanks! Mark S Hot'nHumid Japan ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:15 AM PST US From: Hans Vander Voort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: checking fuel tank with flashlight --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort Douwe, Yes, there is always a danger of igniting the fuel. But for this to happen, three things need to be present at the same time. Oxygen, Fuel and Heat (ignition source) take any of these away any your risk is greatly reduced. I this case Oxygen and Fuel are ever present, but the Heat (ignition source) we can avoid Recommendations: Use a low voltage light source, flash lights with few batteries do not spark as easily as a automotive drop light (110 Volts) Use a flash light that is thightly sealed, Maglights and similar design are typically moisture proof and will have barriers for fumes to enter. Use a flash light in a well ventilated area. Use the flash light outside the tank. Do not enter the Tank with the flash light, ever ! There are special flashlight for hazardous areas. Look for explosion proof flash lights or Class 1 Div 2 lights, they are common in the Oil &Gas business (not cheap) Another tidbit, Gasoline fumes are heavier than air, without proper ventilation they will hug the ground or in the bottom of your fuselage. If you suspect a leak, do not start looking in your fuselage with a ignition source. Hans. "Douwe Blumberg" To Sent by: "pietenpolgroup" owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matron cc ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: checking fuel tank 07/26/2006 08:23 with flashlight AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com guys, I've always wondered about this one. Isn't there an inherent danger in shining a flashlight down into a fuel tank with vapors present? Is the odds of ignition so long that we dont consider them? or should we be wary of doing this and figure out a different way to get light in there? Have one friend who lost an eye playing with a gas tank, and another killed three months ago playing with an oil tank outside his home. Douwe Re the harley powered biplane. If it's the red fuse, clear doped wing one. I knew the name, but can't remember it right now. I think I was told it was a very early homebuilt design. Did it fly this year? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:43 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure We had an a/c quality fuel hose whose inner lining separated. When disconnected from the carb, fuel flowed very well. However, as we moved the hose back into position to re-attach to the carb (this put a curve in the hose), flow stopped. We removed the hose and looked through it while bending and we could see the inner lining flexing and crumpling. Possibly the old aviation fuel hose couldn't take modern auto fuel? Just one more thing for you to check. Our new fuel line has no bends and it was obtained at AutoZone Aircraft Supplies... At 11:19 PM -0700 7/24/06, shad bell wrote: >Hello Jack, We are suspecting that there may be debris partially >blocking the fuel flow into the carb. We just got it unloaded today >but have not worked on it yet. When we had it appart we did not >find any hard evidence as to what was causing the problem. The >strangest thig is that it ran fine for 45hrs and even the flight to >Brodhead it was running great ecept for the intermitant problems we >encountered. The fuel line will flow great when we disconnected the >fuel feed line from the carb. I think we will compleatley tear down >the carb and see if there is something loose and possibly "flaping" >into the fuel flow path causing an intermitant restriction. I >susspected it was lack of fuel flow because after it starts loosing >rpm I could pull it back to idle and run it up to 3300 rpm and it >would get the full 3300 but drop off suddenly after 5-10 seconds. I >also could get it to rise in rpm if I gave it a shot of primer while >it was running rough. We inspected the finger strainer in the carb >and it was clean. Do you have much experiance with marvel/schebler >carbs? >Sincerly >Shad > >"Phillips, Jack" wrote: > >Good story Shad, and glad it all worked out safely for you. Having >had a partial power failure induced forced landing in mine, I know >the feeling of sphincter-clinch that grabs hold of you when you hear >and feel the engine suddenly not doing right. > >Do you think the second problem with the engine was sediment in the >carburetor? Do you have a fuel filter in the line? > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad >bell >Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:20 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure > >Hello Guys, >Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was >dissapointing to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I >headed up for Brodhead on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH. >Fuel stops atevanwertthento Warsaw IN. The only set back untill >then was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled fuel stop at Lima >OH to wait for clearing skys. I was driving the truck at this >point, over to Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at >Warsaw and fly over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad >at Valpo and he bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane >since we have the corvair and run 15w40. So I take off again >excited but cautious about the wind at Joliet airport in IL. The WX >briefer called for 8-12 ktsout of the NE. Well along I go headed >for Joliet and it starts raining lightly, no big deal it's only 8 >miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look down and see corn blowing over >so hard it looks like waves of water. With out hesitating I punched >in awos for joliet and the winds were 26kts gusting to 36 kts at 020 >deg, almost directly accross joliets runway. I remember passing a >small airport to my east with 2 runways and one of them was halfway >in to the wind, so I turned around and realized my ground speed at >my 2000 ft alt was close to 30mph. I got to the airport and got her >down with no scrapes tears or bruises and the airplane handled it >relitivly good. After pretty much flying the piet ( stalls at 34 >indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went inside to see if >this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport was >Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving >to go home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the >weather cleared. He also let me do something unheard of these days, >He gave me the key to the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas >i thought I would need and trusted me not to take more than I paid >for. He then told me the sad news of how his airport would be >bull-dozed in 10 days for housing developments. After waiting for 3 >hrs I accepted I would not make Brodhead on friday I called dad, who >was fighting Chicago traffic at 6pm, and said it was no-go and I >would like a ride and some food, bed etc etc. He found the airport >which is way off the beaten path and we stayed in joliet at the >holiday inn. On saturday the sky was clear and the winds light so we >went back early and got the piet ready for the 3-4 hrs of flying on >up to Brodhead. I was flying and after taking off the engine rpm >dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered that corvairs are very prone >to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and it raised about 200 >rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3 times to make >sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15 miles to >joliet. I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field and >the engine started loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just >barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary >approach to joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and >industry. I made the airport without complete power loss and called >dad who was only 30 mins away, and told him we need to do some work >on the engine. We ended up checking the sediment bowl, it was >clean. The carborateor was the next susspect so we took it off , >took it apart and cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck >(with people looking at us like we were crazy). We found just a >little bit of verry fine sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl >and blew out the jets. After getting the carb installed we test ran >tied down at full power for 10-12 min. It ran fine and made the >full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around Joliet for 20-30 min and no >problems. We fueled up and I was still flying so I went off to the >north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was running great and it >was a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and headed north to >Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before Brodhead. I went >in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the pop up storms >around the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I only had 35 >miles to go so I taxied out and took off and right after passing the >end of the runway on climb out the engine started acting up again, >so I circled and landed and called dad. He was near Beloit WI >getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran it and we could >duplicate the problem on the ground so we made the decission to >truck her home. By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles >from home and now we have to find a way to get her home without >dammaging her. This is where an uncommonly generous man, Steve >Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove airport let us pull the airplane >into his hanger and start pulling the wings. He then offered us use >of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the piet home. This was VERY >appreciated as we had no idea how or what we were going to do with >this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was being served we were >pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be shipped home on the >back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could have been much >much worse. I, my father, and lastly the airplane all live to fly >another day. We also foud out that esspecially in our chosen hobby >of airplanes and aviation there are generous and out-going people. >So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts : like the Cubs fans say, >"There is always next year". >Fly safe >Shad > >See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. > >Check it out. -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri@emory.edu ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:15 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventurecould it be that the auto fuel had alcohol in it? It might attack the rubber in the hose. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure We had an a/c quality fuel hose whose inner lining separated. When disconnected from the carb, fuel flowed very well. However, as we moved the hose back into position to re-attach to the carb (this put a curve in the hose), flow stopped. We removed the hose and looked through it while bending and we could see the inner lining flexing and crumpling. Possibly the old aviation fuel hose couldn't take modern auto fuel? Just one more thing for you to check. Our new fuel line has no bends and it was obtained at AutoZone Aircraft Supplies... At 11:19 PM -0700 7/24/06, shad bell wrote: Hello Jack, We are suspecting that there may be debris partially blocking the fuel flow into the carb. We just got it unloaded today but have not worked on it yet. When we had it appart we did not find any hard evidence as to what was causing the problem. The strangest thig is that it ran fine for 45hrs and even the flight to Brodhead it was running great ecept for the intermitant problems we encountered. The fuel line will flow great when we disconnected the fuel feed line from the carb. I think we will compleatley tear down the carb and see if there is something loose and possibly "flaping" into the fuel flow path causing an intermitant restriction. I susspected it was lack of fuel flow because after it starts loosing rpm I could pull it back to idle and run it up to 3300 rpm and it would get the full 3300 but drop off suddenly after 5-10 seconds. I also could get it to rise in rpm if I gave it a shot of primer while it was running rough. We inspected the finger strainer in the carb and it was clean. Do you have much experiance with marvel/schebler carbs? Sincerly Shad "Phillips, Jack" wrote: Good story Shad, and glad it all worked out safely for you. Having had a partial power failure induced forced landing in mine, I know the feeling of sphincter-clinch that grabs hold of you when you hear and feel the engine suddenly not doing right. Do you think the second problem with the engine was sediment in the carburetor? Do you have a fuel filter in the line? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:20 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure Hello Guys, Shad Bell here, what an adventure this past weekend was! It was dissapointing to say the least but what a story. My dad Gary and I headed up for Brodhead on friday morning at 9:30 am from central OH. Fuel stops atevanwertthento Warsaw IN. The only set back untill then was low level scud clouds and an unsceduled fuel stop at Lima OH to wait for clearing skys. I was driving the truck at this point, over to Warsaw for my turn to fly. I get in all fueled up at Warsaw and fly over to "Valpo" IN with no problems. I wait for Dad at Valpo and he bring a couple quarts of oil to keep in the airplane since we have the corvair and run 15w40. So I take off again excited but cautious about the wind at Joliet airport in IL. The WX briefer called for 8-12 ktsout of the NE. Well along I go headed for Joliet and it starts raining lightly, no big deal it's only 8 miles to joliet. HOLY s- - -! I look down and see corn blowing over so hard it looks like waves of water. With out hesitating I punched in awos for joliet and the winds were 26kts gusting to 36 kts at 020 deg, almost directly accross joliets runway. I remember passing a small airport to my east with 2 runways and one of them was halfway in to the wind, so I turned around and realized my ground speed at my 2000 ft alt was close to 30mph. I got to the airport and got her down with no scrapes tears or bruises and the airplane handled it relitivly good. After pretty much flying the piet ( stalls at 34 indicated) to the ramp in blowing light rain I went inside to see if this seemingly abandon airport had weather radar. The airport was Howell / New Lenox airport, and the attendant told me he was leaving to go home shortly but I could put the piet in a T hanger untill the weather cleared. He also let me do something unheard of these days, He gave me the key to the fuel pump and let me pay for how much gas i thought I would need and trusted me not to take more than I paid for. He then told me the sad news of how his airport would be bull-dozed in 10 days for housing developments. After waiting for 3 hrs I accepted I would not make Brodhead on friday I called dad, who was fighting Chicago traffic at 6pm, and said it was no-go and I would like a ride and some food, bed etc etc. He found the airport which is way off the beaten path and we stayed in joliet at the holiday inn. On saturday the sky was clear and the winds light so we went back early and got the piet ready for the 3-4 hrs of flying on up to Brodhead. I was flying and after taking off the engine rpm dropped about 300 rpm, and I remembered that corvairs are very prone to carb ice so I pulled out the carb heat and it raised about 200 rpm so I figured It was OK. I circled the field 3 times to make sure she was going to run and then headed west the 15 miles to joliet. I passed joliet about 2 miles south west of the field and the engine started loosing power badly. At 2400rpm it would just barly hold alt. I turned back to joliet airport and made a scary approach to joliet, with nothing below me but hi-ways, houses and industry. I made the airport without complete power loss and called dad who was only 30 mins away, and told him we need to do some work on the engine. We ended up checking the sediment bowl, it was clean. The carborateor was the next susspect so we took it off , took it apart and cleaned it on the tailgate of his pickup truck (with people looking at us like we were crazy). We found just a little bit of verry fine sediment in the fuel bowl cleaned the bowl and blew out the jets. After getting the carb installed we test ran tied down at full power for 10-12 min. It ran fine and made the full 3300-3400 rpm. Dad test flew around Joliet for 20-30 min and no problems. We fueled up and I was still flying so I went off to the north to Dekalb IL for fuel. The engine was running great and it was a very great flight. Took o fuel at dekalb and headed north to Poplar Grove airport for one last fuel stop before Brodhead. I went in to pay for my fuel and chaked the radar and saw the pop up storms around the Brodhead area, This was about 5pm on sat. I only had 35 miles to go so I taxied out and took off and right after passing the end of the runway on climb out the engine started acting up again, so I circled and landed and called dad. He was near Beloit WI getting the hotel room. He headed down, we ran it and we could duplicate the problem on the ground so we made the decission to truck her home. By this time we are very stressed out 500 miles from home and now we have to find a way to get her home without dammaging her. This is where an uncommonly generous man, Steve Thomas, the owner of Poplar Grove airport let us pull the airplane into his hanger and start pulling the wings. He then offered us use of his 24ft flatbed trailer to haul the piet home. This was VERY appreciated as we had no idea how or what we were going to do with this ordeal. So while the porkchop dinner was being served we were pulling dad's pretty little airplane apart to be shipped home on the back of dad's truck. I guess in hind sight it could have been much much worse. I, my father, and lastly the airplane all live to fly another day. We also foud out that esspecially in our chosen hobby of airplanes and aviation there are generous and out-going people. So to all you fellow Pietenpol enthisiasts : like the Cubs fans say, "There is always next year". Fly safe Shad ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri@emory.edu ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:53 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure That's what we suspect. We've been running avgas exclusively, but the former owner used whatever was to hand. At 4:29 PM -0400 7/26/06, Barry Davis wrote: >could it be that the auto fuel had alcohol in it? It might attack >the rubber in the hose. >Barry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jeff Boatright >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:07 PM >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure > >We had an a/c quality fuel hose whose inner lining separated. When >disconnected from the carb, fuel flowed very well. However, as we >moved the hose back into position to re-attach to the carb (this put >a curve in the hose), flow stopped. We removed the hose and looked >through it while bending and we could see the inner lining flexing >and crumpling. Possibly the old aviation fuel hose couldn't take >modern auto fuel? > >Just one more thing for you to check. > >Our new fuel line has no bends and it was obtained at AutoZone >Aircraft Supplies... > -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri@emory.edu ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:16 PM PST US From: Mark Blackwell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell I think almost if not all auto gas now has at least some alcohol in it now and the signs on the pump I do not think they have to disclose it anymore unless the concentration is quite high. Jeff Boatright wrote: > That's what we suspect. We've been running avgas exclusively, but the > former owner used whatever was to hand. > > At 4:29 PM -0400 7/26/06, Barry Davis wrote: >> could it be that the auto fuel had alcohol in it? It might attack the >> rubber in the hose. >> Barry >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Jeff Boatright >> >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:07 PM >> >> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure >> >> >> We had an a/c quality fuel hose whose inner lining separated. >> When disconnected from the carb, fuel flowed very well. However, >> as we moved the hose back into position to re-attach to the carb >> (this put a curve in the hose), flow stopped. We removed the hose >> and looked through it while bending and we could see the inner >> lining flexing and crumpling. Possibly the old aviation fuel hose >> couldn't take modern auto fuel? >> >> >> Just one more thing for you to check. >> >> >> Our new fuel line has no bends and it was obtained at AutoZone >> Aircraft Supplies... >> >> > > -- > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD > Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA > Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis > mailto:jboatri@emory.edu ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:40 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gcardinal" Here is a link to a list of gas stations in Minnesota that sell non-oxygenated gasoline. http://www.msra.com/NonOxygenatedFuel/NonOxygenated%20Fuel%20List%2006.01.06.pdf I got the list through the Minnesota Street Rod Association website. Check with your own state's street rod association for availibility. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:56 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell > > > I think almost if not all auto gas now has at least some alcohol in it now > and the signs on the pump I do not think they have to disclose it anymore > unless the concentration is quite high. > Jeff Boatright wrote: >> That's what we suspect. We've been running avgas exclusively, but the >> former owner used whatever was to hand. >> >> At 4:29 PM -0400 7/26/06, Barry Davis wrote: >>> could it be that the auto fuel had alcohol in it? It might attack the >>> rubber in the hose. >>> Barry >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> *From:* Jeff Boatright >>> >>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> >>> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:07 PM >>> >>> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead atempt, What an adventure >>> >>> >>> We had an a/c quality fuel hose whose inner lining separated. >>> When disconnected from the carb, fuel flowed very well. However, >>> as we moved the hose back into position to re-attach to the carb >>> (this put a curve in the hose), flow stopped. We removed the hose >>> and looked through it while bending and we could see the inner >>> lining flexing and crumpling. Possibly the old aviation fuel hose >>> couldn't take modern auto fuel? >>> >>> >>> Just one more thing for you to check. >>> >>> >>> Our new fuel line has no bends and it was obtained at AutoZone >>> Aircraft Supplies... >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD >> Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA >> Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis >> mailto:jboatri@emory.edu > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:57 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: DVD Video - 'Building NX770CG' now available Hey All, The video 'Building NX770CG' is Now Available. 1 hr 52 min $20 As you all know, there's more than one way to skin a cat...this video is a detailed look at how I did the Airframe on NX770CG. There has been quite a response about when I would have this video available, and I finally had it all finished up in time to bring some to Brodhead with me, well I didn't make Brodhead, and you know the rest of the story. Weather is always the key issue for how many Pietenpols show up at Brodhead. You can go to my web page - scroll to the bottom http://nx770cg.com/Video.html or e-mail me direct for more information, and quicker response to receiving the video. This video editing and producing is quite challenging, and I would be very interested in what your thoughts are about the video - what to leave in, what to take out, and what to add. It's kind of a balancing act about what to include, because only a certain amount of bits and bytes can be burned onto a DVD disc. The time - 1 hr 52 min - is almost the limit, without reducing the visual & audio quality of the video. Chuck G. NX770CG p.s. I also have my first video - 'Flying NX770CG' ready to go, too.