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1. 06:31 AM - Aged Piet pilots (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
2. 07:06 AM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Mark Blackwell)
3. 08:05 AM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Greg Bacon)
4. 08:47 AM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Mark Blackwell)
5. 11:28 AM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Jeff Boatright)
6. 01:16 PM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Gordon Bowen)
7. 01:48 PM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Jeff Boatright)
8. 02:49 PM - [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
9. 02:49 PM - [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
10. 03:00 PM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Gordon Bowen)
11. 04:36 PM - GREAT pics Bill... (D.Reid)
12. 05:13 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 07/29/06 (Graham and Robyn)
13. 05:16 PM - Thanks Bill church (walt evans)
14. 05:22 PM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Rick Holland)
15. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 07/29/06 (Rick Holland)
16. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 07/29/06 (walt evans)
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| Subject: | Aged Piet pilots |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Rick: Ditto on the Kid Venture, and kudos to EAA for dreaming up the
young eagle program. And GOD BLESS EAA for bringing in the lsa-lsp for
old farts like me (55) who no longer have their medical. I first became
aware of my old age when I started getting those pesky letters from AARP
5 years ago. Leon S. In Ks. Never to bad mouth EAA again. Even though
Oshkosh ( I still won"t use the word "airventure") is slowly being taken
over by Ford, Johndeer and Honda. Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aged Piet pilots |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell <markb1958@verizon.net>
Though I support the young eagle program, I think we all need to be
realistic about its impact. How many of those kids will have the means
to learn to fly, even if that airplane ride triggers the desire? Many
of those kids are so young that it might be over 10 years before they
are in a position to do so even if they want to and can. It might even
be nearly that long before many of them are even legal to solo. How far
down will GA have gone in that time? Ive seen nothing that gives me any
indication of a turn around. LSA isn't going to turn things around. In
fact it might send a few people out sooner than they might have
otherwise. If you risk losing your ability to fly LSAs, are you going
to try to get that 3rd class when you know you probably could, but there
is a chance a bureaucrat up the line might say no no, then you are
stuck. Pre LSA you had nothing to lose. Now you do. Just how many
airports out there have an LSA for rent? Not many thats for sure.
Leon Stefan wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
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> Rick: Ditto on the Kid Venture, and kudos to EAA for dreaming up the
> young eagle program. And GOD BLESS EAA for bringing in the lsa-lsp for
> old farts like me (55) who no longer have their medical. I first became
> aware of my old age when I started getting those pesky letters from AARP
> 5 years ago. Leon S. In Ks. Never to bad mouth EAA again. Even though
> Oshkosh ( I still won"t use the word "airventure") is slowly being taken
> over by Ford, Johndeer and Honda. Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aged Piet pilots |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Bacon" <gbacon67@hughes.net>
Mark,
When I was 8 years old, a young pilot treated my brother and me to a 15
minute flight in a Cessna 150. We each got a turn in the right seat. I
loved that first flight. I'll never forget that. 15 years later I found
myself flying helicopters in the Army. Now, I'm in the EAA arena and will
have an airplane until they stick me in the ground. Sharing the experience
of fying with kids does change lives. Don't "mis-underestimate" it!!
Do not archive.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, Missouri
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:04 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell
> <markb1958@verizon.net>
>
> Though I support the young eagle program, I think we all need to be
> realistic about its impact. How many of those kids will have the means to
> learn to fly, even if that airplane ride triggers the desire? Many of
> those kids are so young that it might be over 10 years before they are in
> a position to do so even if they want to and can. It might even be nearly
> that long before many of them are even legal to solo. How far down will
> GA have gone in that time? Ive seen nothing that gives me any indication
> of a turn around. LSA isn't going to turn things around. In fact it
> might send a few people out sooner than they might have otherwise. If you
> risk losing your ability to fly LSAs, are you going to try to get that 3rd
> class when you know you probably could, but there is a chance a bureaucrat
> up the line might say no no, then you are stuck. Pre LSA you had nothing
> to lose. Now you do. Just how many airports out there have an LSA for
> rent? Not many thats for sure.
>
> Leon Stefan wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>>
>> Rick: Ditto on the Kid Venture, and kudos to EAA for dreaming up the
>> young eagle program. And GOD BLESS EAA for bringing in the lsa-lsp for
>> old farts like me (55) who no longer have their medical. I first became
>> aware of my old age when I started getting those pesky letters from AARP
>> 5 years ago. Leon S. In Ks. Never to bad mouth EAA again. Even though
>> Oshkosh ( I still won"t use the word "airventure") is slowly being taken
>> over by Ford, Johndeer and Honda. Do not archive
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Aged Piet pilots |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell <markb1958@verizon.net>
Mine was not too different, but the catch is something now that is
totally different than back then. Now people are rightly asking, "Will
general aviation as we currently know it exist in 10 to 15 years?" Even
AOPA in a recent issue is extremely concerned about the drop in pilots.
I don't have the answer, but what we are doing now clearly isn't working.
Greg Bacon wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Greg Bacon" <gbacon67@hughes.net>
>
> Mark,
>
> When I was 8 years old, a young pilot treated my brother and me to a
> 15 minute flight in a Cessna 150. We each got a turn in the right
> seat. I loved that first flight. I'll never forget that. 15 years
> later I found myself flying helicopters in the Army. Now, I'm in the
> EAA arena and will have an airplane until they stick me in the
> ground. Sharing the experience of fying with kids does change lives.
> Don't "mis-underestimate" it!!
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Greg Bacon
> Prairie Home, Missouri
>
> ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:04 AM
>
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell
>> <markb1958@verizon.net>
>>
>> Though I support the young eagle program, I think we all need to be
>> realistic about its impact. How many of those kids will have the
>> means to learn to fly, even if that airplane ride triggers the
>> desire? Many of those kids are so young that it might be over 10
>> years before they are in a position to do so even if they want to and
>> can. It might even be nearly that long before many of them are even
>> legal to solo. How far down will GA have gone in that time? Ive
>> seen nothing that gives me any indication of a turn around. LSA
>> isn't going to turn things around. In fact it might send a few
>> people out sooner than they might have otherwise. If you risk losing
>> your ability to fly LSAs, are you going to try to get that 3rd class
>> when you know you probably could, but there is a chance a bureaucrat
>> up the line might say no no, then you are stuck. Pre LSA you had
>> nothing to lose. Now you do. Just how many airports out there have
>> an LSA for rent? Not many thats for sure.
>>
>> Leon Stefan wrote:
>>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>>>
>>> Rick: Ditto on the Kid Venture, and kudos to EAA for dreaming up the
>>> young eagle program. And GOD BLESS EAA for bringing in the lsa-lsp for
>>> old farts like me (55) who no longer have their medical. I first became
>>> aware of my old age when I started getting those pesky letters from
>>> AARP
>>> 5 years ago. Leon S. In Ks. Never to bad mouth EAA again. Even though
>>> Oshkosh ( I still won"t use the word "airventure") is slowly being
>>> taken
>>> over by Ford, Johndeer and Honda. Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Aged Piet pilots |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Mark,
You wrote: "If you risk losing your ability to fly LSAs, are you
going to try to get that 3rd class when you know you probably could,
but there is a chance a bureaucrat up the line might say no no, then
you are stuck. Pre LSA you had nothing to lose. Now you do."
I don't understand the words. Please re-phrase and/or explain the
risk of losing the ability to fly LSAs. I am going the LSP route and
am interested in all perspectives.
As for there being few airports with LSAs, that is true in metro
areas for sure. Out in the country or anywhere there are old Cubs,
Aeroncas, etc., there's still plenty. Very few for rent, though.
That's why you need a Piet these days! ;)
Thanks,
Jeff
At 10:04 AM -0400 7/30/06, Mark Blackwell wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell <markb1958@verizon.net>
>
>Though I support the young eagle program, I think we all need to be
>realistic about its impact. How many of those kids will have the
>means to learn to fly, even if that airplane ride triggers the
>desire? Many of those kids are so young that it might be over 10
>years before they are in a position to do so even if they want to
>and can. It might even be nearly that long before many of them are
>even legal to solo. How far down will GA have gone in that time?
>Ive seen nothing that gives me any indication of a turn around. LSA
>isn't going to turn things around. In fact it might send a few
>people out sooner than they might have otherwise. If you risk
>losing your ability to fly LSAs, are you going to try to get that
>3rd class when you know you probably could, but there is a chance a
>bureaucrat up the line might say no no, then you are stuck. Pre
>LSA you had nothing to lose. Now you do. Just how many airports
>out there have an LSA for rent? Not many thats for sure.
>
>Leon Stefan wrote:
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>>
>>Rick: Ditto on the Kid Venture, and kudos to EAA for dreaming up the
>>young eagle program. And GOD BLESS EAA for bringing in the lsa-lsp for
>>old farts like me (55) who no longer have their medical. I first became
>>aware of my old age when I started getting those pesky letters from AARP
>>5 years ago. Leon S. In Ks. Never to bad mouth EAA again. Even though
>>Oshkosh ( I still won"t use the word "airventure") is slowly being taken
>>over by Ford, Johndeer and Honda. Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
--
_____________________________________________________________
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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| Subject: | Re: Aged Piet pilots |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Jeff,
If the FAA med examiner rejects your 3rd class application due to some major
or minor problem, this is reported to the FAA in Okla. You cannot fly LSA
with a rejected 3rd class. If you get an instructors endorsement, have a
drivers lic. and never been tested by FAA med examiner, you can fly LSA as
long as YOU feel you're medically qualified. You are not at the mercy of
the FAA if you've never been medically tested for any class, to fly LSA.
Case in point- I've had a 3 or 2nd class medical for over 38 years. Last
medical the examinor found a heart atrial fib, that has hence been
corrected/controlled by meds. Based on the quirk in the FAA's LSA rules, I
cannot fly LSA unless I continue the 3rd. class med exam every year, that's
right, the 3rd class is only good for 1 year plus I have to provide 12 mos.
of blood thinner testing (at $65/pop) and a Holter monitor test yearly at
($650/pop). If I had never went to FAA med examiner and my private doc had
found the atrial fib and corrected with meds, and I had never gone back to
try for a 3rd class, I could forever fly LSA rules legally (meaning my
insurance company would have to belly up payment incase of an accident).
Now that I'm trapped into the pit of snakes call the FAA med. system, I
cannot ever get out and still fly.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:31 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>
> Mark,
>
> You wrote: "If you risk losing your ability to fly LSAs, are you going to
> try to get that 3rd class when you know you probably could, but there is a
> chance a bureaucrat up the line might say no no, then you are stuck. Pre
> LSA you had nothing to lose. Now you do."
>
> I don't understand the words. Please re-phrase and/or explain the risk of
> losing the ability to fly LSAs. I am going the LSP route and am interested
> in all perspectives.
>
> As for there being few airports with LSAs, that is true in metro areas for
> sure. Out in the country or anywhere there are old Cubs, Aeroncas, etc.,
> there's still plenty. Very few for rent, though. That's why you need a
> Piet these days! ;)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
> At 10:04 AM -0400 7/30/06, Mark Blackwell wrote:
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell
>><markb1958@verizon.net>
>>
>>Though I support the young eagle program, I think we all need to be
>>realistic about its impact. How many of those kids will have the means to
>>learn to fly, even if that airplane ride triggers the desire? Many of
>>those kids are so young that it might be over 10 years before they are in
>>a position to do so even if they want to and can. It might even be nearly
>>that long before many of them are even legal to solo. How far down will
>>GA have gone in that time? Ive seen nothing that gives me any indication
>>of a turn around. LSA isn't going to turn things around. In fact it
>>might send a few people out sooner than they might have otherwise. If you
>>risk losing your ability to fly LSAs, are you going to try to get that 3rd
>>class when you know you probably could, but there is a chance a bureaucrat
>>up the line might say no no, then you are stuck. Pre LSA you had nothing
>>to lose. Now you do. Just how many airports out there have an LSA for
>>rent? Not many thats for sure.
>>
>>Leon Stefan wrote:
>>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>>>
>>>Rick: Ditto on the Kid Venture, and kudos to EAA for dreaming up the
>>>young eagle program. And GOD BLESS EAA for bringing in the lsa-lsp for
>>>old farts like me (55) who no longer have their medical. I first became
>>>aware of my old age when I started getting those pesky letters from AARP
>>>5 years ago. Leon S. In Ks. Never to bad mouth EAA again. Even though
>>>Oshkosh ( I still won"t use the word "airventure") is slowly being taken
>>>over by Ford, Johndeer and Honda. Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
> Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
> Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
> mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aged Piet pilots |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Gordon,
I'd check with AOPA and EAA on that interpretation. My understanding
from them is that once you re-gain your 3rd class medical, you can
fly LSA (as you point out). If you let it lapse, that if, if you
never re-apply for a medical again, you're good to fly LSA forever
because in the eyes of the FAA, you passed your most recent 3rd class
medical - it was not in a "denied" state at the time it expired. Now,
I was told this by the alphabet groups more than a year ago. Possibly
new interpretations have been made, but if you haven't personally
spoken with reps at EAA and AOPA, I think you should. I sure would
not rely on what some bozo on the the internet (hey! I resemble that
remark!) says.
An aside: Though I've always gotten great service from both groups,
my experience is that AOPA is a little better with medical issues and
EAA is a little better with technical/practical aviation issues. Just
my 2 cents.
Good luck
Jeff
At 12:14 PM -0800 7/30/06, Gordon Bowen wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
>Jeff,
>If the FAA med examiner rejects your 3rd class application due to
>some major or minor problem, this is reported to the FAA in Okla.
>You cannot fly LSA with a rejected 3rd class. If you get an
>instructors endorsement, have a drivers lic. and never been tested
>by FAA med examiner, you can fly LSA as long as YOU feel you're
>medically qualified. You are not at the mercy of the FAA if you've
>never been medically tested for any class, to fly LSA. Case in
>point- I've had a 3 or 2nd class medical for over 38 years. Last
>medical the examinor found a heart atrial fib, that has hence been
>corrected/controlled by meds. Based on the quirk in the FAA's LSA
>rules, I cannot fly LSA unless I continue the 3rd. class med exam
>every year, that's right, the 3rd class is only good for 1 year plus
>I have to provide 12 mos. of blood thinner testing (at $65/pop) and
>a Holter monitor test yearly at ($650/pop). If I had never went to
>FAA med examiner and my private doc had found the atrial fib and
>corrected with meds, and I had never gone back to try for a 3rd
>class, I could forever fly LSA rules legally (meaning my insurance
>company would have to belly up payment incase of an accident). Now
>that I'm trapped into the pit of snakes call the FAA med. system, I
>cannot ever get out and still fly.
>Gordon
>----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:31 AM
>
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>>
>>Mark,
>>
>>You wrote: "If you risk losing your ability to fly LSAs, are you
>>going to try to get that 3rd class when you know you probably
>>could, but there is a chance a bureaucrat up the line might say no
>>no, then you are stuck. Pre LSA you had nothing to lose. Now you
>>do."
>>
>>I don't understand the words. Please re-phrase and/or explain the
>>risk of losing the ability to fly LSAs. I am going the LSP route
>>and am interested in all perspectives.
>>
>>As for there being few airports with LSAs, that is true in metro
>>areas for sure. Out in the country or anywhere there are old Cubs,
>>Aeroncas, etc., there's still plenty. Very few for rent, though.
>>That's why you need a Piet these days! ;)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>At 10:04 AM -0400 7/30/06, Mark Blackwell wrote:
>>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell <markb1958@verizon.net>
>>>
>>>Though I support the young eagle program, I think we all need to
>>>be realistic about its impact. How many of those kids will have
>>>the means to learn to fly, even if that airplane ride triggers the
>>>desire? Many of those kids are so young that it might be over 10
>>>years before they are in a position to do so even if they want to
>>>and can. It might even be nearly that long before many of them
>>>are even legal to solo. How far down will GA have gone in that
>>>time? Ive seen nothing that gives me any indication of a turn
>>>around. LSA isn't going to turn things around. In fact it might
>>>send a few people out sooner than they might have otherwise. If
>>>you risk losing your ability to fly LSAs, are you going to try to
>>>get that 3rd class when you know you probably could, but there is
>>>a chance a bureaucrat up the line might say no no, then you are
>>>stuck. Pre LSA you had nothing to lose. Now you do. Just how
>>>many airports out there have an LSA for rent? Not many thats for
>>>sure.
>>>
>>>Leon Stefan wrote:
>>>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>>>>
>>>>Rick: Ditto on the Kid Venture, and kudos to EAA for dreaming up the
>>>>young eagle program. And GOD BLESS EAA for bringing in the lsa-lsp for
>>>>old farts like me (55) who no longer have their medical. I first became
>>>>aware of my old age when I started getting those pesky letters from AARP
>>>>5 years ago. Leon S. In Ks. Never to bad mouth EAA again. Even though
>>>>Oshkosh ( I still won"t use the word "airventure") is slowly being taken
>>>>over by Ford, Johndeer and Honda. Do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>_____________________________________________________________
>>Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
>>Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
>>Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
>>mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>http://wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
_____________________________________________________________
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Jeff,
My info, dictates and approvals comes from the FAA Regional Med. Flt Surgeon
directly in Anchorage. I guess each and every Region could have different
interpretations of the LSA rules, after all is said and done, it's the
government talking. So who knows what the actual intent of the LSA rules
were, it's how they are applied by individual bureaucrats who have life time
tenure on our payroll, and you have no recourse via the courts. But the
Regional guy rules in my case------- no "special" third class, no LSA. Go
to FAA med examiner once per year, pass the exam plus an EKG, show documents
that show protimes for blood thinner, have 24 hr Holter monitor results,
then maybe, just maybe the Regional Guy will feel generous and fork over my
3rd class. I cannot simply agree to fly LSA giving up the rights of the 3rd
class. I cannot legally fly without the 3rd class, even though someone
who's never had a 3rd class can if they meet the other simple rules for an
LSA. Hell, I'll fly anyway with or without his approval, but the problem
comes back to insurance weasel clauses. No 3rd class, have accident, the
insurance weasels no pay. So goes life.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:53 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>
> Gordon,
>
> I'd check with AOPA and EAA on that interpretation. My understanding from
> them is that once you re-gain your 3rd class medical, you can fly LSA (as
> you point out). If you let it lapse, that if, if you never re-apply for a
> medical again, you're good to fly LSA forever because in the eyes of the
> FAA, you passed your most recent 3rd class medical - it was not in a
> "denied" state at the time it expired. Now, I was told this by the
> alphabet groups more than a year ago. Possibly new interpretations have
> been made, but if you haven't personally spoken with reps at EAA and AOPA,
> I think you should. I sure would not rely on what some bozo on the the
> internet (hey! I resemble that remark!) says.
>
> An aside: Though I've always gotten great service from both groups, my
> experience is that AOPA is a little better with medical issues and EAA is
> a little better with technical/practical aviation issues. Just my 2 cents.
>
> Good luck
>
> Jeff
>
> At 12:14 PM -0800 7/30/06, Gordon Bowen wrote:
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen"
>><gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>>
>>Jeff,
>>If the FAA med examiner rejects your 3rd class application due to some
>>major or minor problem, this is reported to the FAA in Okla. You cannot
>>fly LSA with a rejected 3rd class. If you get an instructors endorsement,
>>have a drivers lic. and never been tested by FAA med examiner, you can fly
>>LSA as long as YOU feel you're medically qualified. You are not at the
>>mercy of the FAA if you've never been medically tested for any class, to
>>fly LSA. Case in point- I've had a 3 or 2nd class medical for over 38
>>years. Last medical the examinor found a heart atrial fib, that has hence
>>been corrected/controlled by meds. Based on the quirk in the FAA's LSA
>>rules, I cannot fly LSA unless I continue the 3rd. class med exam every
>>year, that's right, the 3rd class is only good for 1 year plus I have to
>>provide 12 mos. of blood thinner testing (at $65/pop) and a Holter monitor
>>test yearly at ($650/pop). If I had never went to FAA med examiner and my
>>private doc had found the atrial fib and corrected with meds, and I had
>>never gone back to try for a 3rd class, I could forever fly LSA rules
>>legally (meaning my insurance company would have to belly up payment
>>incase of an accident). Now that I'm trapped into the pit of snakes call
>>the FAA med. system, I cannot ever get out and still fly.
>>Gordon
>>----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:31 AM
>>
>>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>>>
>>>Mark,
>>>
>>>You wrote: "If you risk losing your ability to fly LSAs, are you going
>>>to try to get that 3rd class when you know you probably could, but there
>>>is a chance a bureaucrat up the line might say no no, then you are
>>>stuck. Pre LSA you had nothing to lose. Now you do."
>>>
>>>I don't understand the words. Please re-phrase and/or explain the risk of
>>>losing the ability to fly LSAs. I am going the LSP route and am
>>>interested in all perspectives.
>>>
>>>As for there being few airports with LSAs, that is true in metro areas
>>>for sure. Out in the country or anywhere there are old Cubs, Aeroncas,
>>>etc., there's still plenty. Very few for rent, though. That's why you
>>>need a Piet these days! ;)
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>>
>>>At 10:04 AM -0400 7/30/06, Mark Blackwell wrote:
>>>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell
>>>><markb1958@verizon.net>
>>>>
>>>>Though I support the young eagle program, I think we all need to be
>>>>realistic about its impact. How many of those kids will have the means
>>>>to learn to fly, even if that airplane ride triggers the desire? Many
>>>>of those kids are so young that it might be over 10 years before they
>>>>are in a position to do so even if they want to and can. It might even
>>>>be nearly that long before many of them are even legal to solo. How far
>>>>down will GA have gone in that time? Ive seen nothing that gives me any
>>>>indication of a turn around. LSA isn't going to turn things around. In
>>>>fact it might send a few people out sooner than they might have
>>>>otherwise. If you risk losing your ability to fly LSAs, are you going
>>>>to try to get that 3rd class when you know you probably could, but there
>>>>is a chance a bureaucrat up the line might say no no, then you are
>>>>stuck. Pre LSA you had nothing to lose. Now you do. Just how many
>>>>airports out there have an LSA for rent? Not many thats for sure.
>>>>
>>>>Leon Stefan wrote:
>>>>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>>>>>
>>>>>Rick: Ditto on the Kid Venture, and kudos to EAA for dreaming up the
>>>>>young eagle program. And GOD BLESS EAA for bringing in the lsa-lsp for
>>>>>old farts like me (55) who no longer have their medical. I first became
>>>>>aware of my old age when I started getting those pesky letters from
>>>>>AARP
>>>>>5 years ago. Leon S. In Ks. Never to bad mouth EAA again. Even though
>>>>>Oshkosh ( I still won"t use the word "airventure") is slowly being
>>>>>taken
>>>>>over by Ford, Johndeer and Honda. Do not archive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>_____________________________________________________________
>>>Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
>>>Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
>>>Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
>>>mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>>http://wiki.matronics.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
> Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
> Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
> mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | GREAT pics Bill... |
...thanks for sharing.
Dave...down in florida
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham and Robyn" <grhewitt@globaldial.com>
What are you bum's bragging about, I have just started my Piet at an age
of 78, but I have 7000 hrs on tail draggers.
Regards Graham Hewitt.
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1. 04:24 AM - Re: the double-nickel ()
2. 05:51 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Mike Volckmann)
3. 07:48 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Catdesigns)
4. 08:14 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Catdesigns)
5. 08:44 AM - Re: the double-nickel (walt evans)
6. 08:57 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Ed G.)
7. 09:27 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Mark Blackwell)
8. 11:15 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Catdesigns)
9. 12:18 PM - Double quarter plus (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 12:45 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (Ed G.)
11. 01:50 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (Gene & Tammy)
12. 01:59 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (Gordon Bowen)
13. 02:11 PM - Re: the double-nickel (Rick Holland)
14. 07:01 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (Isablcorky@aol.com)
15. 08:26 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (walt evans)
16. 08:42 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (Isablcorky@aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Time: 04:24:29 AM PST US
I guess that makes me the old fart at 60;happy birthday Oscar!
________________________________
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Gower
Sent: July 29, 2006 2:23 AM
Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes:
Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
Jack Textor
Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll celebrate
with a
little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video on
building
NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the
celebration ;o)
But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at the
hangar
working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday
present!
Oscar Zuniga do not archive
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
Chuck G
NX770CG
Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last month.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Do not Archive.
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 05:51:37 AM PST US
Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
Mike
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
jtextor@thepalmergroup.com
writes:
Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
Jack Textor
Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll celebrate with a
little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video on building
NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the celebration ;o)
But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at the hangar
working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday present!
Oscar Zuniga do not archive
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
Chuck G
NX770CG
Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last month.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Do not Archive.
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Time: 07:48:33 AM PST US
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesigns"
<catdesigns@comcast.net>
Happy Birthday Oscar
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:43 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll celebrate with
a
> little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video on
building
> NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
>
> Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the celebration
;o)
> But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at the hangar
> working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday present!
>
> Oscar Zuniga do not archive
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Time: 08:14:01 AM PST US
Your all old to me. I'm only 38, but then again 50's not sounding that
old anymore.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Volckmann
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
Mike
----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes:
Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
Jack Textor
Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll celebrate
with a
little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video on
building
NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the
celebration ;o)
But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at the
hangar
working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday present!
Oscar Zuniga do not archive
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
Chuck G
NX770CG
Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last month.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Do not Archive.
________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
Time: 08:44:45 AM PST US
Chris,
I've got underwear older than you. :^)
58 here.
walt evans
NX140DL
do not archive
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Catdesigns
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Your all old to me. I'm only 38, but then again 50's not sounding
that old anymore.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Volckmann
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
Mike
----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes:
Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
Jack Textor
Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll celebrate
with a
little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video on
building
NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the
celebration ;o)
But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at the
hangar
working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday
present!
Oscar Zuniga do not archive
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
Chuck G
NX770CG
Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last month.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Do not Archive.
________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
Time: 08:57:59 AM PST US
Dayum...Guess we're all pretty close in age...I'm 58 too...Ed G.
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans<mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Chris,
I've got underwear older than you. :^)
58 here.
walt evans
NX140DL
do not archive
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Catdesigns<mailto:catdesigns@comcast.net>
To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Your all old to me. I'm only 38, but then again 50's not sounding
that old anymore.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Volckmann<mailto:mike_cfi@yahoo.com>
To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
Mike
----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com<mailto:ggower_99@yahoo.com>>
To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Rcaprd@aol.com<mailto:Rcaprd@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
jtextor@thepalmergroup.com<mailto:jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> writes:
Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
Jack Textor
Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll
celebrate with a
little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video
on building
NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the
celebration ;o)
But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at
the hangar
working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday
present!
Oscar Zuniga do not archive
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
Chuck G
NX770CG
Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last
month.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Do not Archive.
________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Time: 09:27:16 AM PST US
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell
<markb1958@verizon.net>
Well I am 47 and that is what I am seeing most everywhere. Its actually
the greatest concern I have for the future of aviation. Those that are
young today learning to fly today are learning with the intent of being
airline pilots. Once they get that airline job, many if not most walk
away from general aviation. Very few are just learning to fly because
they want to learn to fly. Those that are, just are not the kid at the
fence anymore. They are old guys like us that are much more likely to
fly only a short time before a medical issue steps up and gets in the
way.
Ed G. wrote:
> Dayum...Guess we're all pretty close in age...I'm 58 too...Ed G.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* walt evans <mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:44 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
> Chris,
> I've got underwear older than you. :^)
> 58 here.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> do not archive
>
> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from
you"
> Ben Franklin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Catdesigns <mailto:catdesigns@comcast.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:14 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
> Your all old to me. I'm only 38, but then again 50's not
> sounding that old anymore.
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mike Volckmann <mailto:mike_cfi@yahoo.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:50 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
> Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com
> <mailto:ggower_99@yahoo.com>>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> */Rcaprd@aol.com <mailto:Rcaprd@aol.com>/* wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central
> Standard Time, jtextor@thepalmergroup.com
> <mailto:jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> writes:
>
> Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy
> your day!
>
> Jack Textor
>
> Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think
> I'll celebrate with a
> little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's
> new video on building
>
> NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
>
> Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through
> all the celebration ;o)
>
> But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are
> my day at the hangar
> working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real
> birthday present!
>
> Oscar Zuniga do not archive
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on
> me !!
> Chuck G
> NX770CG
>
> Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
>
> We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday
> last month.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
> Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
> Do not Archive.
>
>
________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
Time: 11:15:24 AM PST US
Yuck!!!!!
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Chris,
I've got underwear older than you. :^)
58 here.
walt evans
NX140DL
do not archive
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Catdesigns
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Your all old to me. I'm only 38, but then again 50's not sounding
that old anymore.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Volckmann
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
Mike
----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes:
Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
Jack Textor
Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll
celebrate with a
little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video
on building
NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the
celebration ;o)
But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at
the hangar
working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday
present!
Oscar Zuniga do not archive
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
Chuck G
NX770CG
Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last
month.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Do not Archive.
________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 12:18:53 PM PST US
Pieters,
Please excuse me for butting in but this age bit has become increasingly
amusing. Since I am no longer a participating Pieter I really have no
right to
use this forum as a pulpit. However I just can't help but compare the
recent
comments concerning ages with the second Lieutenants doing WWII bragging
of
their dates of rank. As was commonly known that rank amoung 2nd Lts.
could be
closely compared with virginity amounst whore. No offense intended.
You'all
keep aging and building and send me a pic now and then of your
progress. I'm not
dead yet.
Corky who will have a birthday next Wednesday. I'll be " hatchi ju san
"or
quatre-vingus trois or achtzig drei.
________________________________ Message 10
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Time: 12:45:58 PM PST US
Good to hear from you Corky...I have no idea what " hatchi ju san" or
quatre-vingus trois acttzig drei means but you are truly a role model in
my life...Anyone who can build and fly Pietenpols, Drink mint julips and
honor his bride at an age that I will probably never see is truely an
inspiration.....Happy Birthday next Wednesday and many more...I hung the
old Franklin on the nose of my Piet this week....still plugging away
.....Ed G. in Fl. Do not
archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com<mailto:Isablcorky@aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
Pieters,
Please excuse me for butting in but this age bit has become
increasingly amusing. Since I am no longer a participating Pieter I
really have no right to use this forum as a pulpit. However I just can't
help but compare the recent comments concerning ages with the second
Lieutenants doing WWII bragging of their dates of rank. As was commonly
known that rank amoung 2nd Lts. could be closely compared with virginity
amounst whore. No offense intended. You'all keep aging and building and
send me a pic now and then of your progress. I'm not dead yet.
Corky who will have a birthday next Wednesday. I'll be " hatchi ju san
"or quatre-vingus trois or achtzig drei.
________________________________ Message 11
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Time: 01:50:31 PM PST US
Awhile back I was asked by a man, who was checking out my Piet, if I
thought he was too old to start taking flying lessons. I told him that
if he needed to ask, he probably was. Being old is in the mind of the
beholder. Health at any age may limit our activity, but not age.
Gene
62
N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed G.
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
Good to hear from you Corky...I have no idea what " hatchi ju san" or
quatre-vingus trois acttzig drei means but you are truly a role model in
my life...Anyone who can build and fly Pietenpols, Drink mint julips and
honor his bride at an age that I will probably never see is truely an
inspiration.....Happy Birthday next Wednesday and many more...I hung the
old Franklin on the nose of my Piet this week....still plugging away
.....Ed G. in Fl. Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
Pieters,
Please excuse me for butting in but this age bit has become
increasingly amusing. Since I am no longer a participating Pieter I
really have no right to use this forum as a pulpit. However I just can't
help but compare the recent comments concerning ages with the second
Lieutenants doing WWII bragging of their dates of rank. As was commonly
known that rank amoung 2nd Lts. could be closely compared with virginity
amounst whore. No offense intended. You'all keep aging and building and
send me a pic now and then of your progress. I'm not dead yet.
Corky who will have a birthday next Wednesday. I'll be " hatchi ju
san "or quatre-vingus trois or achtzig drei.
________________________________ Message 12
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Time: 01:59:42 PM PST US
Southern Air Force Commander Corky is drei und achtzig 83, moving
"middle aged" to a new boundry. Just gettin' started on senior
citizenship, must be the mint julips. But in defense of LT's, the more
senior the commission, the more assumed, yet faulty, ideas about
authority. Since LT's have no effective domain over anybody in the
service, they compete among themselves for seniority.
Really should go change my really old underwear before the "Depends"
need changing.
Gordon
N-1033B
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed G.
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
Good to hear from you Corky...I have no idea what " hatchi ju san" or
quatre-vingus trois acttzig drei means but you are truly a role model in
my life...Anyone who can build and fly Pietenpols, Drink mint julips and
honor his bride at an age that I will probably never see is truely an
inspiration.....Happy Birthday next Wednesday and many more...I hung the
old Franklin on the nose of my Piet this week....still plugging away
....Ed G. in Fl. Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
Pieters,
Please excuse me for butting in but this age bit has become
increasingly amusing. Since I am no longer a participating Pieter I
really have no right to use this forum as a pulpit. However I just can't
help but compare the recent comments concerning ages with the second
Lieutenants doing WWII bragging of their dates of rank. As was commonly
known that rank amoung 2nd Lts. could be closely compared with virginity
amounst whore. No offense intended. You'all keep aging and building and
send me a pic now and then of your progress. I'm not dead yet.
Corky who will have a birthday next Wednesday. I'll be " hatchi ju
san "or quatre-vingus trois or achtzig drei.
________________________________ Message 13
____________________________________
Time: 02:11:52 PM PST US
I have one year on you Oscar at 56. And it is a good point you make Mark
about the majority of general aviation and especially homebuilders being
us
old farts. But its not like EAA is not trying to do something about it.
They
had a huge KidVenture tent at Oshkosh this year and in addition to all
the
normal kid activities they had a sheet metal riveting section. I
couldn't
believe it there were kids as young as 6 years old doing pulled and
bucked
riviting to make a foot square rudder section that they could take home.
Their were as many girls as boys doing this and I talked to one kids dad
who
said it was so popular that they had been waiting two days to get their
kids
in there. I think if I would have done something like that when I was 6
I
would have gotten into homebuilding several decades earlier. Have to
give
credit to Vans who I believe donated all the riviting kits for the kids,
must have cost them a bunch.
Rick H.
On 7/29/06, Mark Blackwell <markb1958@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell <
> markb1958@verizon.net>
>
> Well I am 47 and that is what I am seeing most everywhere. Its
actually
> the greatest concern I have for the future of aviation. Those that
are
> young today learning to fly today are learning with the intent of
being
> airline pilots. Once they get that airline job, many if not most
walk
> away from general aviation. Very few are just learning to fly because
> they want to learn to fly. Those that are, just are not the kid at
the
> fence anymore. They are old guys like us that are much more likely to
> fly only a short time before a medical issue steps up and gets in the
way.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 07:01:13 PM PST US
You hit it Gordon. The nicest thing I remember is at 81 I was flying
41CC
like a big bird and having the time of my life without any fear from
sudden
health failure. It was the drive home from the airport that scared hell
out of
me. Don't sweat this age business. Live moderately, drink good whiskey
and
marry a beautiful woman and maybe some of you will be Pietering around
in your
ku
ju ku's.
Corky
________________________________ Message 15
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Time: 08:26:28 PM PST US
Corky et al,
Ain't life Grand!
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
You hit it Gordon. The nicest thing I remember is at 81 I was flying
41CC like a big bird and having the time of my life without any fear
from sudden health failure. It was the drive home from the airport that
scared hell out of me. Don't sweat this age business. Live moderately,
drink good whiskey and marry a beautiful woman and maybe some of you
will be Pietering around in your ku ju ku's.
Corky
________________________________ Message 16
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Time: 08:42:09 PM PST US
You said it pad'ner
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| Subject: | Thanks Bill church |
Thanks , to take the time to take and share some great pics. I never get
tired of seeing great workmanship.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
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As long as Honda, Ford, and John Deer keep coughing up big money to EAA so
they can pay lawyers to fight airport closings and "help" the FAA add some
common sense to the pilot certification rules I say bring them on.
And thanks again for the beer and tailgate party at Broadhead Leon.
Rick H.
do not archive
On 7/30/06, Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>
> Rick: Ditto on the Kid Venture, and kudos to EAA for dreaming up the
> young eagle program. And GOD BLESS EAA for bringing in the lsa-lsp for
> old farts like me (55) who no longer have their medical. I first became
> aware of my old age when I started getting those pesky letters from AARP
> 5 years ago. Leon S. In Ks. Never to bad mouth EAA again. Even though
> Oshkosh ( I still won"t use the word "airventure") is slowly being taken
> over by Ford, Johndeer and Honda. Do not archive
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 07/29/06 |
Graham
If I live to be 78 I really hope I have the enthusiam you have to keep
building airplanes (not to mention the health to keep flying). My hats off
to you and keep us updated on how your project is doing.
Rick H
On 7/30/06, Graham and Robyn <grhewitt@globaldial.com> wrote:
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham and Robyn" <
> grhewitt@globaldial.com>
>
> What are you bum's bragging about, I have just started my Piet at an age
> of 78, but I have 7000 hrs on tail draggers.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
Graham,
Good for you!
Maybe you have underwear older than me? :^)
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:25 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham and Robyn"
> <grhewitt@globaldial.com>
>
> What are you bum's bragging about, I have just started my Piet at an age
> of 78, but I have 7000 hrs on tail draggers.
>
> Regards Graham Hewitt.
>
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> 1. 04:24 AM - Re: the double-nickel ()
> 2. 05:51 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Mike Volckmann)
> 3. 07:48 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Catdesigns)
> 4. 08:14 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Catdesigns)
> 5. 08:44 AM - Re: the double-nickel (walt evans)
> 6. 08:57 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Ed G.)
> 7. 09:27 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Mark Blackwell)
> 8. 11:15 AM - Re: the double-nickel (Catdesigns)
> 9. 12:18 PM - Double quarter plus (Isablcorky@aol.com)
> 10. 12:45 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (Ed G.)
> 11. 01:50 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (Gene & Tammy)
> 12. 01:59 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (Gordon Bowen)
> 13. 02:11 PM - Re: the double-nickel (Rick Holland)
> 14. 07:01 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (Isablcorky@aol.com)
> 15. 08:26 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (walt evans)
> 16. 08:42 PM - Re: Double quarter plus (Isablcorky@aol.com)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:24:29 AM PST US
>
> I guess that makes me the old fart at 60;happy birthday Oscar!
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> Gower
> Sent: July 29, 2006 2:23 AM
>
>
> Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
> jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes:
>
> Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
>
> Jack Textor
>
> Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll celebrate
> with a
> little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video on
> building
>
> NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
>
> Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the
> celebration ;o)
>
> But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at the
> hangar
> working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday
> present!
>
> Oscar Zuniga do not archive
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
>
> Chuck G
>
> NX770CG
>
> Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
>
> We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last month.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
> Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
> Do not Archive.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:51:37 AM PST US
>
> Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
>
>
> Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
> jtextor@thepalmergroup.com
> writes:
> Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
>
> Jack Textor
>
> Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll celebrate with a
> little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video on building
>
> NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
>
> Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the celebration ;o)
>
> But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at the hangar
> working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday present!
>
> Oscar Zuniga do not archive
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
> Chuck G
> NX770CG
> Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
>
> We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last month.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
> Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
> Do not Archive.
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:48:33 AM PST US
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesigns"
> <catdesigns@comcast.net>
>
> Happy Birthday Oscar
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:43 AM
>
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
>> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll celebrate with
> a
>> little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video on
> building
>> NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
>>
>> Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the celebration
> ;o)
>> But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at the hangar
>
>> working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday present!
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga do not archive
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> http://wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:14:01 AM PST US
>
> Your all old to me. I'm only 38, but then again 50's not sounding that
> old anymore.
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Volckmann
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
> jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes:
> Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
>
> Jack Textor
>
> Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll celebrate
> with a
> little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video on
> building
>
> NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
>
> Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the
> celebration ;o)
>
> But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at the
> hangar
> working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday present!
>
> Oscar Zuniga do not archive
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
> Chuck G
> NX770CG
> Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
>
> We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last month.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
> Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
> Do not Archive.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:44:45 AM PST US
>
> Chris,
> I've got underwear older than you. :^)
> 58 here.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> do not archive
>
> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
> Ben Franklin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Catdesigns
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Your all old to me. I'm only 38, but then again 50's not sounding
> that old anymore.
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Volckmann
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
> jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes:
> Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
>
> Jack Textor
>
> Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll celebrate
>
> with a
> little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video on
> building
>
> NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
>
> Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the
> celebration ;o)
>
> But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at the
> hangar
> working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday
> present!
>
> Oscar Zuniga do not archive
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
> Chuck G
> NX770CG
> Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
>
> We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last month.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
> Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
> Do not Archive.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:57:59 AM PST US
>
> Dayum...Guess we're all pretty close in age...I'm 58 too...Ed G.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: walt evans<mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Chris,
> I've got underwear older than you. :^)
> 58 here.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> do not archive
>
> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
> Ben Franklin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Catdesigns<mailto:catdesigns@comcast.net>
> To:
> pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Your all old to me. I'm only 38, but then again 50's not sounding
> that old anymore.
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Volckmann<mailto:mike_cfi@yahoo.com>
> To:
> pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com<mailto:ggower_99@yahoo.com>>
> To:
> pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Rcaprd@aol.com<mailto:Rcaprd@aol.com> wrote:
> In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
> jtextor@thepalmergroup.com<mailto:jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> writes:
> Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
>
> Jack Textor
>
> Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll
> celebrate with a
> little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video
> on building
>
> NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
>
> Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the
> celebration ;o)
>
> But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at
> the hangar
> working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday
> present!
>
> Oscar Zuniga do not archive
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
> Chuck G
> NX770CG
> Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
>
> We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last
> month.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
> Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
> Do not Archive.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:27:16 AM PST US
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell
> <markb1958@verizon.net>
>
> Well I am 47 and that is what I am seeing most everywhere. Its actually
>
> the greatest concern I have for the future of aviation. Those that are
> young today learning to fly today are learning with the intent of being
> airline pilots. Once they get that airline job, many if not most walk
> away from general aviation. Very few are just learning to fly because
> they want to learn to fly. Those that are, just are not the kid at the
> fence anymore. They are old guys like us that are much more likely to
> fly only a short time before a medical issue steps up and gets in the
> way.
>
> Ed G. wrote:
>> Dayum...Guess we're all pretty close in age...I'm 58 too...Ed G.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* walt evans <mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>
>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:44 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>>
>> Chris,
>> I've got underwear older than you. :^)
>> 58 here.
>> walt evans
>> NX140DL
>> do not archive
>>
>> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from
> you"
>> Ben Franklin
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Catdesigns <mailto:catdesigns@comcast.net>
>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:14 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>>
>> Your all old to me. I'm only 38, but then again 50's not
>> sounding that old anymore.
>>
>> Chris Tracy
>> Sacramento, Ca
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Mike Volckmann <mailto:mike_cfi@yahoo.com>
>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:50 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>>
>> Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com
>> <mailto:ggower_99@yahoo.com>>
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>>
>>
>> */Rcaprd@aol.com <mailto:Rcaprd@aol.com>/* wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central
>> Standard Time, jtextor@thepalmergroup.com
>> <mailto:jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> writes:
>>
>> Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy
>> your day!
>>
>> Jack Textor
>>
>> Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think
>> I'll celebrate with a
>> little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's
>> new video on building
>>
>> NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
>>
>> Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through
>> all the celebration ;o)
>>
>> But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are
>> my day at the hangar
>> working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real
>> birthday present!
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga do not archive
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>> And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on
>> me !!
>> Chuck G
>> NX770CG
>>
>> Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
>>
>> We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday
>> last month.
>>
>> Saludos
>> Gary Gower
>> Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
>> Do not Archive.
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:15:24 AM PST US
>
> Yuck!!!!!
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: walt evans
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Chris,
> I've got underwear older than you. :^)
> 58 here.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> do not archive
>
> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
> Ben Franklin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Catdesigns
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Your all old to me. I'm only 38, but then again 50's not sounding
> that old anymore.
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Do Not Archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Volckmann
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Sounds like yungns to me I had my 57th last month.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:22:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the double-nickel
>
>
> Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:20:05 AM Central Standard Time,
> jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes:
> Happy Birthday Oscar! Today I turned 53, enjoy your day!
>
> Jack Textor
>
> Well, I'm officially 55 years old today. I think I'll
> celebrate with a
> little present for myself, so I'm ordering Chuck's new video
> on building
>
> NX770CG ( http://nx770cg.com/Video.html ).
>
> Let's see if I can stay awake until 10PM through all the
> celebration ;o)
>
> But hey, the best is yet to come... Saturdays are my day at
> the hangar
> working on the Piet, so Saturday will be my real birthday
> present!
>
> Oscar Zuniga do not archive
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> And I thought I was old at 51...you guys got Years on me !!
> Chuck G
> NX770CG
> Happy Birthaday Oscar and Jack!
>
> We are several around that age... I had my 54 birthday last
> month.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower
> Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
> Do not Archive.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:18:53 PM PST US
>
> Pieters,
>
> Please excuse me for butting in but this age bit has become increasingly
>
> amusing. Since I am no longer a participating Pieter I really have no
> right to
>
> use this forum as a pulpit. However I just can't help but compare the
> recent
> comments concerning ages with the second Lieutenants doing WWII bragging
> of
> their dates of rank. As was commonly known that rank amoung 2nd Lts.
> could be
>
> closely compared with virginity amounst whore. No offense intended.
> You'all
> keep aging and building and send me a pic now and then of your
> progress. I'm not
>
> dead yet.
>
> Corky who will have a birthday next Wednesday. I'll be " hatchi ju san
> "or
> quatre-vingus trois or achtzig drei.
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:45:58 PM PST US
>
> Good to hear from you Corky...I have no idea what " hatchi ju san" or
> quatre-vingus trois acttzig drei means but you are truly a role model in
>
> my life...Anyone who can build and fly Pietenpols, Drink mint julips and
>
> honor his bride at an age that I will probably never see is truely an
> inspiration.....Happy Birthday next Wednesday and many more...I hung the
>
> old Franklin on the nose of my Piet this week....still plugging away
> .....Ed G. in Fl. Do not
> archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isablcorky@aol.com<mailto:Isablcorky@aol.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 3:16 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
>
>
> Pieters,
>
> Please excuse me for butting in but this age bit has become
> increasingly amusing. Since I am no longer a participating Pieter I
> really have no right to use this forum as a pulpit. However I just can't
>
> help but compare the recent comments concerning ages with the second
> Lieutenants doing WWII bragging of their dates of rank. As was commonly
> known that rank amoung 2nd Lts. could be closely compared with virginity
>
> amounst whore. No offense intended. You'all keep aging and building and
> send me a pic now and then of your progress. I'm not dead yet.
>
> Corky who will have a birthday next Wednesday. I'll be " hatchi ju san
>
> "or quatre-vingus trois or achtzig drei.
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:50:31 PM PST US
>
> Awhile back I was asked by a man, who was checking out my Piet, if I
> thought he was too old to start taking flying lessons. I told him that
> if he needed to ask, he probably was. Being old is in the mind of the
> beholder. Health at any age may limit our activity, but not age.
> Gene
> 62
> N502R
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed G.
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 2:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
>
>
> Good to hear from you Corky...I have no idea what " hatchi ju san" or
> quatre-vingus trois acttzig drei means but you are truly a role model in
>
> my life...Anyone who can build and fly Pietenpols, Drink mint julips and
>
> honor his bride at an age that I will probably never see is truely an
> inspiration.....Happy Birthday next Wednesday and many more...I hung the
>
> old Franklin on the nose of my Piet this week....still plugging away
> .....Ed G. in Fl. Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isablcorky@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 3:16 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
>
>
> Pieters,
>
> Please excuse me for butting in but this age bit has become
> increasingly amusing. Since I am no longer a participating Pieter I
> really have no right to use this forum as a pulpit. However I just can't
>
> help but compare the recent comments concerning ages with the second
> Lieutenants doing WWII bragging of their dates of rank. As was commonly
> known that rank amoung 2nd Lts. could be closely compared with virginity
>
> amounst whore. No offense intended. You'all keep aging and building and
> send me a pic now and then of your progress. I'm not dead yet.
>
> Corky who will have a birthday next Wednesday. I'll be " hatchi ju
> san "or quatre-vingus trois or achtzig drei.
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:59:42 PM PST US
>
> Southern Air Force Commander Corky is drei und achtzig 83, moving
> "middle aged" to a new boundry. Just gettin' started on senior
> citizenship, must be the mint julips. But in defense of LT's, the more
> senior the commission, the more assumed, yet faulty, ideas about
> authority. Since LT's have no effective domain over anybody in the
> service, they compete among themselves for seniority.
>
> Really should go change my really old underwear before the "Depends"
> need changing.
> Gordon
> N-1033B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed G.
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
>
>
> Good to hear from you Corky...I have no idea what " hatchi ju san" or
> quatre-vingus trois acttzig drei means but you are truly a role model in
>
> my life...Anyone who can build and fly Pietenpols, Drink mint julips and
>
> honor his bride at an age that I will probably never see is truely an
> inspiration.....Happy Birthday next Wednesday and many more...I hung the
>
> old Franklin on the nose of my Piet this week....still plugging away
> ....Ed G. in Fl. Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isablcorky@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 3:16 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
>
>
> Pieters,
>
> Please excuse me for butting in but this age bit has become
> increasingly amusing. Since I am no longer a participating Pieter I
> really have no right to use this forum as a pulpit. However I just can't
>
> help but compare the recent comments concerning ages with the second
> Lieutenants doing WWII bragging of their dates of rank. As was commonly
> known that rank amoung 2nd Lts. could be closely compared with virginity
>
> amounst whore. No offense intended. You'all keep aging and building and
> send me a pic now and then of your progress. I'm not dead yet.
>
> Corky who will have a birthday next Wednesday. I'll be " hatchi ju
> san "or quatre-vingus trois or achtzig drei.
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:11:52 PM PST US
>
> I have one year on you Oscar at 56. And it is a good point you make Mark
> about the majority of general aviation and especially homebuilders being
> us
> old farts. But its not like EAA is not trying to do something about it.
> They
> had a huge KidVenture tent at Oshkosh this year and in addition to all
> the
> normal kid activities they had a sheet metal riveting section. I
> couldn't
> believe it there were kids as young as 6 years old doing pulled and
> bucked
> riviting to make a foot square rudder section that they could take home.
> Their were as many girls as boys doing this and I talked to one kids dad
> who
> said it was so popular that they had been waiting two days to get their
> kids
> in there. I think if I would have done something like that when I was 6
> I
> would have gotten into homebuilding several decades earlier. Have to
> give
> credit to Vans who I believe donated all the riviting kits for the kids,
> must have cost them a bunch.
>
> Rick H.
>
> On 7/29/06, Mark Blackwell <markb1958@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell <
>> markb1958@verizon.net>
>>
>> Well I am 47 and that is what I am seeing most everywhere. Its
> actually
>> the greatest concern I have for the future of aviation. Those that
> are
>> young today learning to fly today are learning with the intent of
> being
>> airline pilots. Once they get that airline job, many if not most
> walk
>> away from general aviation. Very few are just learning to fly because
>> they want to learn to fly. Those that are, just are not the kid at
> the
>> fence anymore. They are old guys like us that are much more likely to
>> fly only a short time before a medical issue steps up and gets in the
> way.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:01:13 PM PST US
>
> You hit it Gordon. The nicest thing I remember is at 81 I was flying
> 41CC
> like a big bird and having the time of my life without any fear from
> sudden
> health failure. It was the drive home from the airport that scared hell
> out of
>
> me. Don't sweat this age business. Live moderately, drink good whiskey
> and
> marry a beautiful woman and maybe some of you will be Pietering around
> in your
> ku
> ju ku's.
> Corky
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:26:28 PM PST US
>
> Corky et al,
>
> Ain't life Grand!
>
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
> Ben Franklin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isablcorky@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus
>
>
> You hit it Gordon. The nicest thing I remember is at 81 I was flying
> 41CC like a big bird and having the time of my life without any fear
> from sudden health failure. It was the drive home from the airport that
> scared hell out of me. Don't sweat this age business. Live moderately,
> drink good whiskey and marry a beautiful woman and maybe some of you
> will be Pietering around in your ku ju ku's.
> Corky
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:42:09 PM PST US
>
> You said it pad'ner
>
>
>
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