---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/01/06: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:22 AM - Re: tell us about C-IOVC (Phillips, Jack) 2. 04:57 AM - Re: tell us about C-IOVC () 3. 05:11 AM - Re: flew C-IOVC () 4. 05:19 AM - Re: Double quarter plus () 5. 05:25 AM - Re: FW: Fw: FW: An Update on the Ex SORRY I HAD TO IT'S TOO DAM FUNNY !!! () 6. 05:50 AM - "motorcycles in the barn" (Gene Beenenga) 7. 06:20 AM - Re: "motorcycles in the barn" (Jack T. Textor) 8. 10:01 AM - Brodhead Pictures (Dave Case) 9. 11:25 AM - anyone 47 ? (Michael D Cuy) 10. 12:58 PM - Re: anyone 47 ? () 11. 03:51 PM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Rcaprd@aol.com) 12. 05:25 PM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Graham Hansen) 13. 07:14 PM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Jim Markle) 14. 07:18 PM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Gordon Bowen) 15. 10:28 PM - Re: FW: Fw: FW: An Update on the Ex SORRY I HAD TO IT'S TOO DAM FUNNY !!! (Michael Nadeau) 16. 11:33 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 17. 11:47 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:51 AM PST US From: "Phillips, Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tell us about C-IOVC Way to go, Harvey! It's a great feeling, isn't it? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@bell.ca Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:24 PM She was started in 1977(G1298) by George Uranick of Perth Ontario and Bob Graham of Manotick.She originally had the letters C-GOVC since it started out life as a homebuilt and I was the one who had it reregistered as an ultralight.She had all her inspections except for the final one and with the help of two AME's I bought the plane from Bob Graham in late 2005 and continued the work to completion and it has had better than a final inspection since these guys took on the final itself and made sure she was ready to fly.They would not let me make a move until I had completed their specs which I did gladly.She has been built with Grega mods,a Franklin 80 hp engine AC 176 series,a Cessna carb heat muff,battery start,flop door entrance,fire extinguisher,Tennessee prop 72X42 recommended by the group on this web,and with the help of the guys at our local RAA and the two AME's she is now ready for flight which I did today for the first time.It was her first time and my first time as well.I have flown champs ,N3 Pup and Lazairs but this one is real special.She handles very much like the Champ.I will not be carrying a passenger since I am a basic ultralight pilot and there is a battery in the front seat anyway.There will be a few more adds to be put on such as a system for carrying a tent and sleeping bag but other than that she is finished. _____ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: July 31, 2006 5:54 PM Please tell me/us about this aircraft and it's story. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:59 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tell us about C-IOVC It sure iss Jack;my next big step is to do the circuit.Really looking forward to that. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: August 1, 2006 7:22 AM Way to go, Harvey! It's a great feeling, isn't it? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@bell.ca Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:24 PM She was started in 1977(G1298) by George Uranick of Perth Ontario and Bob Graham of Manotick.She originally had the letters C-GOVC since it started out life as a homebuilt and I was the one who had it reregistered as an ultralight.She had all her inspections except for the final one and with the help of two AME's I bought the plane from Bob Graham in late 2005 and continued the work to completion and it has had better than a final inspection since these guys took on the final itself and made sure she was ready to fly.They would not let me make a move until I had completed their specs which I did gladly.She has been built with Grega mods,a Franklin 80 hp engine AC 176 series,a Cessna carb heat muff,battery start,flop door entrance,fire extinguisher,Tennessee prop 72X42 recommended by the group on this web,and with the help of the guys at our local RAA and the two AME's she is now ready for flight which I did today for the first time.It was her first time and my first time as well.I have flown champs ,N3 Pup and Lazairs but this one is real special.She handles very much like the Champ.I will not be carrying a passenger since I am a basic ultralight pilot and there is a battery in the front seat anyway.There will be a few more adds to be put on such as a system for carrying a tent and sleeping bag but other than that she is finished. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: July 31, 2006 5:54 PM Please tell me/us about this aircraft and it's story. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:41 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flew C-IOVC Thankyou very much for that advice Graham I'll use that. ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hansen Sent: July 31, 2006 10:34 PM Harvey, Well, this is good news! Generally, doing short "crow hops" is more difficult than actually going for a circuit, but it is definitely the right way to become acquainted with your new plane. Do enough of them to feel really comfortable with the handling qualities, etc. before you go for a flight---but always be prepared to keep on going if you haven't enough runway left to stop safely. And if you do find yourself fully airborne and committed to fly, just go for a nice flight and enjoy yourself. A little bit of power on final will flatten the approach angle and reducing it gradually during the "hold-off" phase will make the initial landings much easier to accomplish. (Power-off approaches with consistently-good landings require complete familiarity with a draggy machine like the Pietenpol.) If you haven't been flying for some time, try to get some practice in the rear seat of a Cub or Champ. This will prepare you rather well for flying a Pietenpol. And remember the three most useless things in aviation: 1. The altitude above you. 2. The runway behind you. 3. The fuel you didn't put in the tank(s). Good luck! Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:06 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus There was a terrible accident at Oshgosh last weekend our President of our local RAA Bill Reed and the President of the local EAA Gary Palmer were in an altercation with a war bird while taxiing and the Eaa pres Gary Palmer was killed.Be very careful out there guys and gals ,anything can and will happen! ________________________________ [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D.Reid Sent: July 31, 2006 10:12 PM AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhSSsssssooooooooo....you been there Joe? All I can say is...if you were there that soon after the "Fallout"...SALUTE!...and I'm glad you're still with us today. Dave....Down in Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Double quarter plus In Japan of course, Sep 4, 45 to July 3, 46 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:21 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: Fwd: FW: An Update on the Ex SORRY I HAD TO IT'S TOO DAM FUNNY !!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh that's nasty! -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of erik finster Sent: July 31, 2006 9:51 PM IT'S TOO DAM FUNNY !!! >From: ERIK BILLING >To: Erik Scott Billing >Subject: Fwd: FW: An Update on the Ex >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:31:38 -0400 (EDT) > > >Note: forwarded message attached. > >--------------------------------- >The best gets better. See why everyone is raving about the All-new Yahoo! >Mail. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:02 AM PST US From: Gene Beenenga Subject: Pietenpol-List: "motorcycles in the barn" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga Seeing as how the subject of "motorcycles" has come up..wheels and all....this Pieter is seeking to locate and purchase a moped type, i.e. (Honda Passport C70 Deluxe would be perfect). Looking for a machine to get me to the airport. If anyone knows of one for sale please let me know how I can get in touch. Gene -----Original Message----- >From: Dick Navratil >Sent: Jul 31, 2006 4:21 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: double nickel > >Arden >There is a wide variety of opinions on motorcycle wheels. Generally between 19" & 21". I had my Piet at Brodhead, I like my 21" Harley wheels and rotors. The Go Kart calipers are coming off this winter and getting replaced with Harley also. >Some go with Yahama or Honda rims and have Buchanans in Calif. lace the spokes. They willl spread the hubs to 6" to spread the load. I'll let others weigh in on their wheels. >Mine weigh in at about 60 lb. including wheel, tires, brakes and axle. >Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arden Adamson > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:18 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: double nickel > > > Hey guys, > > > > One of you said it best. Age is in the mind. I tell people I'm a 39 year old man trapped in a 64 year old body. As long as there is the will (& physical health permits) one can build a plane and fly. > > > > This week I put the tail feather hinges on and clamped it all to the Piet fuselage tail. Wow! What inspiration that is to progress. I've been flying for 30 years but creating a plane with one's own two hands is a blast. > > > > For all you guys that brought your Piets to Brodhead-----thanks much. I flew my Skyhawk there Saturday to spend the day and enjoyed the fly-in immensely. Flew home that evening going around a couple rain storms. Got many questions answered there and met new friends. > > > > Here's another question: I'm building the Jenny style landing gear. If I use motorcycle wheels, which brand/size is most recommended for use with disc brakes? Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Arden Adamson > > Waupaca, WI ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:49 AM PST US From: "Jack T. Textor" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "motorcycles in the barn" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor" Gene, I have 2 CT-70's that are great, but sorry, not for sale. Do a search on ebay. There are knock-offs that are pretty good at a large $ savings. Jack Textor Seeing as how the subject of "motorcycles" has come up..wheels and all....this Pieter is seeking to locate and purchase a moped type, i.e. (Honda Passport C70 Deluxe would be perfect). Looking for a machine to get me to the airport. If anyone knows of one for sale please let me know how I can get in touch. Gene do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:49 AM PST US From: "Dave Case" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pictures --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dave Case" I have posted my Brodhead pictures on my website; http://www.builddiary.net/logs/21 I missed a couple airplanes, but I did take a 360 degree Panorama on Friday which is pretty cool. Someone asked for my pictures of the world's largest Sitka Spruce which is here in Oregon, I will have those up soon as well. Oh, and strangely enough, I am 34 as well. Apparently most Piet Builders are either 55, or 34. -- David Case Dav3xor@gmail.com www.builddiary.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:24 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: anyone 47 ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Gosh it would be great to be 34 again. I suppose the guys in the 50's 60's and up would think that being 47 would be great again too. Perspective I guess. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:24 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: anyone 47 ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: If I was 25 and knew what I know now I'd be in jail! Do not archive -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Sent: August 1, 2006 2:24 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Gosh it would be great to be 34 again. I suppose the guys in the 50's 60's and up would think that being 47 would be great again too. Perspective I guess. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:01 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pictures In a message dated 8/1/2006 12:04:03 PM Central Standard Time, dav3xor@gmail.com writes: I have posted my Brodhead pictures on my website; http://www.builddiary.net/logs/21 Dave, Great report on Brodhead Pictures, especially the panorama view. We need a panorama view each year, when the infield is full of Pietenpols !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:35 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aged Piet pilots --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" I was only 41 when I first flew my Pietenpol, CF-AUN. I am still flying it at 77---but like Gordon Bowen I am "trapped into the pit of snakes" and have to pass a Category 3 (same as Class 3) medical every year to fly ANYTHING legally. In a word, the medical requirements to fly a lightplane like a Pietenpol are UNREALISTIC, but I doubt the bureaucrats on either side of the border will ease them any time soon. The Sport Pilot initiative has been somewhat compromised by the medical "Catch 22" discussed by Gordon Bowen, as has our Recreational Pilot Permit in this country. It seems every advance is tempered by over-regulation, but the Sport Pilot initiative in the USA is a real advance, nevertheless. There is an annual fly-in breakfast every spring at our small city in central Alberta, Canada. If the weather cooperates, well over a hundred aircraft will come to it. It would be interesting to do a survey of the ages of attending pilots. This year, the average age would have been close to, or over, sixty from what I and others observed. Where are all the younger people? (Probably motorcycling, or boating, or charging around on ATV's.) Very few younger folks are taking up flying for recreational purposes these days; most of those learning to fly are planning on a career in commercial aviation. This does not bode well for the future of sport flying in Canada. Any real growth here seems to be restricted to the ultralight segment. There are reasons for the decline in sport flying's appeal. Today we have competing recreational activities that cost as much as, or more than, sport flying, but people will opt for them because they are not over-regulated. The worst aspect of the over-regulation is related to unrealistic medical requirements for recreational flying. This alone substantially reduces the number of active pilots, and there are few younger replacements coming in. Having been an active pilot for 55 years, I'll probably have to quit (unwillingly, of course) one of these days. Who will take my place??? Graham Hansen DO NOT ARCHIVE. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:21 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pictures That panorama is incredible! Too cool...... ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pictures In a message dated 8/1/2006 12:04:03 PM Central Standard Time, dav3xor@gmail.com writes: I have posted my Brodhead pictures on my website; http://www.builddiary.net/logs/21 Dave, Great report on Brodhead Pictures, especially the panorama view. We need a panorama view each year, when the infield is full of Pietenpols !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:03 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aged Piet pilots --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" The Golden Age of Aviation, 1930's would never have happen with today's interpretation of rules by FAA or CAA. Too bad. Nobody born today will have the pleasure of realizing their dreams of flying. Hanging around the air strip (grass or gravel only, no fences please) and watching the old guys tinkering with their flyin' machines, hoping for a ride, will become a thing of the past ("sorry kid the lawyers may sue"). It's up to those homebuilders now in their 40's to pass along this love of flying and flying machines to any kid who'll listen and learn. Don't know about the effectiveness of the Young Eagles program, but my love got started with the newly founded CAP's ole WWII hand-me-down from the Air Corp's Yellar Cub (first free ride, still remember it 52+ years later). Gordon ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:21 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" > > > I was only 41 when I first flew my Pietenpol, CF-AUN. I am still flying it > at 77---but like Gordon Bowen I am "trapped into the pit of snakes" and > have to pass a Category 3 (same as Class 3) medical every year to fly > ANYTHING legally. In a word, the medical requirements to fly a lightplane > like a Pietenpol are UNREALISTIC, but I doubt the bureaucrats on either > side of the border will ease them any time soon. The Sport Pilot > initiative has been somewhat compromised by the medical "Catch 22" > discussed by Gordon Bowen, as has our Recreational Pilot Permit in this > country. It seems every advance is tempered by over-regulation, but the > Sport Pilot initiative in the USA is a real advance, nevertheless. > > There is an annual fly-in breakfast every spring at our small city in > central Alberta, Canada. If the weather cooperates, well over a hundred > aircraft will come to it. It would be interesting to do a survey of the > ages of attending pilots. This year, the average age would have been close > to, or over, sixty from what I and others observed. Where are all the > younger people? (Probably motorcycling, or boating, or charging around on > ATV's.) > > Very few younger folks are taking up flying for recreational purposes > these days; most of those learning to fly are planning on a career in > commercial aviation. This does not bode well for the future of sport > flying in Canada. Any real growth here seems to be restricted to the > ultralight segment. > > There are reasons for the decline in sport flying's appeal. Today we have > competing recreational activities that cost as much as, or more than, > sport flying, but people will opt for them because they are not > over-regulated. The worst aspect of the over-regulation is related to > unrealistic medical requirements for recreational flying. This alone > substantially reduces the number of active pilots, and there are few > younger replacements coming in. > > Having been an active pilot for 55 years, I'll probably have to quit > (unwillingly, of course) one of these days. Who will take my place??? > > Graham Hansen DO NOT ARCHIVE. > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:48 PM PST US From: Michael Nadeau Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Fwd: FW: An Update on the Ex SORRY I HAD TO IT'S TOO DAM FUNNY !!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Nadeau You know, thats nothing. You should see what my Mother-In-Law rides around in. On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:24 AM|Aug 1, 2006, wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh that's nasty! > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of erik > finster > Sent: July 31, 2006 9:51 PM > IT'S TOO DAM FUNNY !!! > > >> From: ERIK BILLING >> To: Erik Scott Billing >> Subject: Fwd: FW: An Update on the Ex >> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:31:38 -0400 (EDT) >> >> >> >> Note: forwarded message attached. >> >> --------------------------------- >> The best gets better. 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The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * Pietenpol-List.FAQ - Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:53 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.]