Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 08/02/06


Total Messages Posted: 25



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:59 AM - Re: Application for N number.. (Wizzard187@aol.com)
     2. 05:29 AM - Re: Application for N number.. (Hans Vander Voort)
     3. 05:52 AM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Hans Vander Voort)
     4. 06:41 AM - 'Piet for sale (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
     5. 07:05 AM - Aircamper GN-1 Plans (R Matt Doody)
     6. 07:35 AM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Rick Holland)
     7. 07:38 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Rick Holland)
     8. 07:44 AM - Re: anyone 47 ? (Rick Holland)
     9. 08:02 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Bill Church)
    10. 08:32 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Roman Bukolt)
    11. 08:37 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Robert Gow)
    12. 08:39 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Robert Gow)
    13. 08:45 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Dave Case)
    14. 09:18 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Dave Abramson)
    15. 10:38 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Jeff Boatright)
    16. 11:09 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Catdesign)
    17. 11:24 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    18. 12:27 PM - old dog new tricks (Michael D Cuy)
    19. 12:47 PM - Funk Model E engine (Don Sweeney)
    20. 01:44 PM - Funk expert is Lowell Frank (Michael D Cuy)
    21. 01:58 PM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Phillips, Jack)
    22. 03:06 PM - Re: Brodhead Pictures gone to Piet "improvements" (bike.mike)
    23. 04:50 PM - Rudder Bar Dimensions? (John Egan)
    24. 05:29 PM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Graham Hansen)
    25. 09:32 PM - Re: Rudder Bar Dimensions? (Catdesigns)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:59:10 AM PST US
    From: Wizzard187@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Application for N number..
    Pieters. What is the easiest way to apply for your N number. I would like to pay extra for a special number and I think there is a way to check on the Internet if it is available. Thanks, Ken Conrad in still hot Iowa


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    Time: 05:29:33 AM PST US
    From: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
    Subject: Re: Application for N number..
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> Ken On-line at FAA.gov, $ 10.-- to reserve your N number, when you are ready to fly you have to register your airplane with the number. A Pietenpol can use a X in the number to replace the ugly Experimental label around the cockpit Reserve your N number without the X. In my case N 15KV was reserved and used on all FAA documents But on the tail it reads as NX 15KV Here is the link: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/n_numbers/ Hans Wizzard187@aol.co m Sent by: To owner-pietenpol-l pietenpol-list@matronics.com ist-server@matron cc ics.com Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Application for 08/02/2006 05:56 N number.. AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Pieters. What is the easiest way to apply for your N number. I would like to pay extra for a special number and I think there is a way to check on the Internet if it is available. Thanks, Ken Conrad in still hot Iowa


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    Time: 05:52:38 AM PST US
    From: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
    Subject: Re: Aged Piet pilots
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> Last week I had to do my BFR. At the FBO where I rented the future Airline pilot and a Cessna, there was a small wooded plaque on the wall it read : If Nuts could fly there would be airports. I believe it says it all, anyone truly infected with the flying bug will find a way to fly. The only difference is the way people get infected, Today it is much different than in those good old days. Today kids get infected through video games, model airplanes, movies and music I grew up in the Netherlands, gas prices 3 times higher than US, airplane rental 2 times higher, more regulation and user fees. Yet, people Fly. Have faith, there will always be Nuts. Hans 45 with a 1 year old airworthy Piet "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska .net> To Sent by: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Aged Piet pilots 08/01/2006 09:07 PM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net> The Golden Age of Aviation, 1930's would never have happen with today's interpretation of rules by FAA or CAA. Too bad. Nobody born today will have the pleasure of realizing their dreams of flying. Hanging around the air strip (grass or gravel only, no fences please) and watching the old guys tinkering with their flyin' machines, hoping for a ride, will become a thing of the past ("sorry kid the lawyers may sue"). It's up to those homebuilders now in their 40's to pass along this love of flying and flying machines to any kid who'll listen and learn. Don't know about the effectiveness of the Young Eagles program, but my love got started with the newly founded CAP's ole WWII hand-me-down from the Air Corp's Yellar Cub (first free ride, still remember it 52+ years later). Gordon ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:21 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" > <grhans@cable-lynx.net> > > I was only 41 when I first flew my Pietenpol, CF-AUN. I am still flying it > at 77---but like Gordon Bowen I am "trapped into the pit of snakes" and > have to pass a Category 3 (same as Class 3) medical every year to fly > ANYTHING legally. In a word, the medical requirements to fly a lightplane > like a Pietenpol are UNREALISTIC, but I doubt the bureaucrats on either > side of the border will ease them any time soon. The Sport Pilot > initiative has been somewhat compromised by the medical "Catch 22" > discussed by Gordon Bowen, as has our Recreational Pilot Permit in this > country. It seems every advance is tempered by over-regulation, but the > Sport Pilot initiative in the USA is a real advance, nevertheless. > > There is an annual fly-in breakfast every spring at our small city in > central Alberta, Canada. If the weather cooperates, well over a hundred > aircraft will come to it. It would be interesting to do a survey of the > ages of attending pilots. This year, the average age would have been close > to, or over, sixty from what I and others observed. Where are all the > younger people? (Probably motorcycling, or boating, or charging around on > ATV's.) > > Very few younger folks are taking up flying for recreational purposes > these days; most of those learning to fly are planning on a career in > commercial aviation. This does not bode well for the future of sport > flying in Canada. Any real growth here seems to be restricted to the > ultralight segment. > > There are reasons for the decline in sport flying's appeal. Today we have > competing recreational activities that cost as much as, or more than, > sport flying, but people will opt for them because they are not > over-regulated. The worst aspect of the over-regulation is related to > unrealistic medical requirements for recreational flying. This alone > substantially reduces the number of active pilots, and there are few > younger replacements coming in. > > Having been an active pilot for 55 years, I'll probably have to quit > (unwillingly, of course) one of these days. Who will take my place??? > > Graham Hansen DO NOT ARCHIVE. > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > >


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    Time: 06:41:34 AM PST US
    From: Waytogopiet@aol.com
    Subject: 'Piet for sale
    New Model A powered Pietenpol Aircamper, built from Mr. Pietenpols original plans by the master craftsman Don Hicks. This beautiful bird has the "jenny" stiff leg gear and the brass radiator. Plane still needs basic time flown off. Only 3 hours TT. Mr. Hicks died suddenly and widow need to sell. Widow needs 10k however will accept any reasonable offer. Please contact Clara Hicks at Hixplace@aol.com or call 334-348-2422


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    Time: 07:05:58 AM PST US
    From: R Matt Doody <rmattd123@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Aircamper GN-1 Plans
    I have a complete set of GN-1 plans for sale. New, purchased in March of this year, never used. Please email offline if interested. Matt --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free.


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    Time: 07:35:35 AM PST US
    From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Aged Piet pilots
    > > There is an annual fly-in breakfast every spring at our small city in > central Alberta, Canada. If the weather cooperates, well over a hundred > aircraft will come to it. It would be interesting to do a survey of the > ages > of attending pilots. This year, the average age would have been close to, > or > over, sixty from what I and others observed. Where are all the younger > people? (Probably motorcycling, or boating, or charging around on ATV's.) How about video games? Flight simulators don't require a medical and $6000 for a private license or $3000 for a sport pilot license, no preflight, maintenance, INSURANCE, hanger rental, bad weather to worry about, plus you can fly any type of airplane you want, perform any aerobatics, fly anywhere in the world, and shoot and kill people just like with War Craft or Grand Theft Auto, all with zero risk of death or injury (and you can pause and go to the bathroom or grab a beer any time you want). Now that I think about it, imagine the computer system and simulator software I could put together for what I have in my Piet so far (three 32 inch flat panel surround monitors)? Just kidding. Its an instant gratification world out there for the younger people (and a lot of the baby boomers as well), the more red tape you have to go through to do an activity the less chance people are going to have an interest in it. And I can't think of any activity or sport that requires more red tape and money to get into than aviation. Plus with the bankruptcys and major pay cuts going through the airline industry I wouldn't doubt that we will see a decreased interest among younger people into getting into aviation as a career. Rick H. -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 07:38:09 AM PST US
    From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Brodhead Pictures
    > > > Oh, and strangely enough, I am 34 as well. Apparently most Piet > Builders are either 55, or 34. Or 56. do not archive -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 07:44:06 AM PST US
    From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: anyone 47 ?
    Yes it may be nice to be 34 but with all the hard drinking and womanizing you would be doing (as I am sure you did when you were 34) you would loose sight of the more important things in life, like building and flying a Piet. And yes Mike if it makes you feel any better I wish I was 47 again. Rick do not archive On 8/1/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy < > Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> > > Gosh it would be great to be 34 again. I suppose the guys in the 50's > 60's and up would think > > that being 47 would be great again too. Perspective I guess. > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 08:02:42 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
    Subject: Brodhead Pictures
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> Nice high resolution photos Dave. Thanks for sharing them with us. As I was looking through your pictures, I saw my legs in the background of a couple of shots. Then I found myself and my teenage son in your cool panorama shot. And for the record, I fall in the middle of the popular ages, at 44. Bill C. - --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dave Case" <dav3xor@gmail.com> I have posted my Brodhead pictures on my website; ... Oh, and strangely enough, I am 34 as well. Apparently most Piet Builders are either 55, or 34. -- David Case Dav3xor@gmail.com www.builddiary.net


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    Time: 08:32:56 AM PST US
    From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels@mailbag.com>
    Subject: Re: Brodhead Pictures
    Speaking of Lowell Frank's Radial Piet. He's very experienced at Piet flying. He has tried a number of engines on that plane along with a variety of wings including the original Piet airfoil. But the wing he has on his plane is not the Piet airfoil. It is an NACA4412. It's about 5/8" thicker and has about half the camberand a rounder leading edge. He says the climb is improved, cruise speed higher, better glide. I saw it take off. The climb was more akin to a Cessna 150. About double the angle of the rest of the Piets. That radial is a 90 hp engine and the the guy who flew it said he did not even use full throttle. Hmm. Interesting! and I haven't built my wing yet. Only the rib set. (Pietenpol rib plan) I believe Lowell said it was the same airfoil used on the Luscombe. Romey Bukolt Corvair powered under construction NX88XN (reserved) do not archive


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    Time: 08:37:05 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
    Subject: Brodhead Pictures
    I'm 53 in two weeks. Does that mean I need to wait 2 more years? Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: August 2, 2006 10:38 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pictures Oh, and strangely enough, I am 34 as well. Apparently most Piet Builders are either 55, or 34. Or 56. do not archive -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 08:39:38 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
    Subject: Brodhead Pictures
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca> I set one as my background, the close-up of the orange pet with the brass ford plate. Bob -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: August 2, 2006 11:02 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> Nice high resolution photos Dave. Thanks for sharing them with us. As I was looking through your pictures, I saw my legs in the background of a couple of shots. Then I found myself and my teenage son in your cool panorama shot. And for the record, I fall in the middle of the popular ages, at 44. Bill C. - --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dave Case" <dav3xor@gmail.com> I have posted my Brodhead pictures on my website; ... Oh, and strangely enough, I am 34 as well. Apparently most Piet Builders are either 55, or 34. -- David Case Dav3xor@gmail.com www.builddiary.net


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    Time: 08:45:33 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Case" <dav3xor@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Brodhead Pictures
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dave Case" <dav3xor@gmail.com> >In a message dated 8/1/2006 12:04:03 PM Central Standard Time, >dav3xor@gmail.com writes: >I have posted my Brodhead pictures on my website; > >http://www.builddiary.net/logs/21 >Dave, >Great report on Brodhead Pictures, especially the panorama view. We need a >panorama view each year, when the infield is full of Pietenpols !! > >Chuck G. >NX770CG I would like to do one every year. :) Not sure I can guarantee it (I live in Portland Oregon), but I can certainly try. -- David Case Dav3xor@gmail.com www.builddiary.net


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    Time: 09:18:16 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
    Subject: Brodhead Pictures
    Hello Gents, I am 42 (soon to be 43) and building my Piet for 1 years now.. Almost way there. Have 11 more ribs to go, Fuse about done, tail surfaces done. I just joined the list yesterday. Cheers Dave Orange county, Ca. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gow Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:37 AM I'm 53 in two weeks. Does that mean I need to wait 2 more years? Bob -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: August 2, 2006 10:38 AM Oh, and strangely enough, I am 34 as well. Apparently most Piet Builders are either 55, or 34. Or 56. do not archive -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 10:38:41 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: Brodhead Pictures
    I think I overheard Lowell say that it's a Riblett airfoil and that Riblett had looked at the Piet airfoil, made comments on its strengths and weaknesses, and then postulated that this other airfoil would have all the strengths and none of the weaknesses. I had not heard that it was a NACA airfoil, though. Maybe I missed that part of the conversion. Probably the best bet would be to talk to Lowell directly. He is really sold on this airfoil and quite enthusiastic. Jeff At 10:32 AM -0500 8/2/06, Roman Bukolt wrote: >Speaking of Lowell Frank's Radial Piet. >He's very experienced at Piet flying. >He has tried a number of engines on that plane along with a variety >of wings including the original Piet airfoil. >But the wing he has on his plane is not the Piet airfoil. It is an >NACA4412. It's about 5/8" thicker and has about half the camberand >a rounder leading edge. He says the climb is improved, cruise speed >higher, better glide. >I saw it take off. The climb was more akin to a Cessna 150. About >double the angle of the rest of the Piets. >That radial is a 90 hp engine and the the guy who flew it said he >did not even use full throttle. >Hmm. Interesting! >and I haven't built my wing yet. Only the rib set. (Pietenpol rib plan) >I believe Lowell said it was the same airfoil used on the Luscombe. > >Romey Bukolt Corvair powered under construction NX88XN (reserved) > >do not archive -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri@emory.edu


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    Time: 11:09:33 AM PST US
    From: "Catdesign" <Catdesign@intergate.com>
    Subject: Re: Brodhead Pictures
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" <Catdesign@intergate.com> Dave, do you happen to have any more pictures of Dennis Hall's Sky Scout wheels and brakes? Chris Sacramento Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51836#51836


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    Time: 11:24:37 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Brodhead Pictures
    Pieters, Here I am butting in on your conversations again. I am pleased to see some discussions begin on the subject of Piet technics. Granted, the Piet is a well designed machine and has weathered the years and hardly anyone has received harm. But can it be improved without changing it's basic designs? After completing and flying 41CC I felt that it's flying characterics could be greatly improved, especially the float after round out. Many said it was because of high drag that caused the falling brick sensation. The Cub and 7AC both have a nice float, are heavier and posses abundant drag AND with 65 HP. As I was building 311CC I strongly considered the Cub airfoil as well as the 7AC and the Clark Y. I feel now they are superior to the BHP French 10. If I were to build again it would definitely be with a different airfoil. That Piet airfoil is in my opinion the weakest link of the Piet chain design. Two-bits worth on this beautiful Southern afternoon. I'll be waiting your bombardments with my old steel helmet. CMC


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    Time: 12:27:57 PM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: old dog new tricks
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Corky-- sure is nice to hear that at least one older fella we know is open to tossing around ideas and not stuck in the concrete of 50 years go "just because we've always done it that way". I find myself having to force myself to stay open to new ideas, new technology and opinions that might not fit my way of getting something done. Lowell Frank is a pretty sharp guy and he's done just about all you can do with a Piet over the years with regard to Ford engines, souped up Fords, radical engine installations, and now airfoil trials. I too know the float you get with a Champ and that is a nice feeling---plus the 87 mph cruise speed. Even tho I do think drag is a huge factor in the non-float you get in a Piet, the wing probably has mucho to do with that as well. Keep posting, take the heat like us Yankee boys can do when we need to. After all----you've been there, done that. Mike C.


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    Time: 12:47:57 PM PST US
    From: Don Sweeney <donswen@optonline.net>
    Subject: Funk Model E engine
    Gentlemen, My Pietenpol is almost completed.When I finish painting the cowlings and wing, I can start putting all the pieces together. I've been working on the Piet longer than I care to admit and I hope that I can find all of the parts. I am using a Funk Model E engine. I haven't run it yet and I need some information about the engine. Jim Malley gave me a picture that he took of a Pietenpol with a Funk engine at Broadhead some time ago. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could put me in touch with the builder or owner. I'm hoping the Funk will get me to Broadhead next year. Best regards Don Sweeney donswen@optonline.com


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    Time: 01:44:05 PM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: Funk expert is Lowell Frank
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> There is the guy who knows everything to know about Funk engines----Lowell Frank from Wisconsin. He built a Funk powered Piet in the 70's or 80's that some lady now owns and she flew it into Oshkosh with our gaggle in 1999 and Lowell told me that the engine hadn't had a lick of trouble in several hundred hours of operation and he had it putting out some good ponies. Mike C.


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    Time: 01:58:52 PM PST US
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
    Subject: Brodhead Pictures
    Durn Corky - you're gonna get the purists all activated! I think there's much that could be improved on the Pietenpol as well, but it would change its flight characteristics. It would probably be a better airplane, but one of the things that is delightful about the Piet is that it doesn't fly like a more modern airplane. The J-3 Cub was developed almost a decade after the initial Pietenpol design (and even after the so-called "Cub" gear on the Improved Pietenpol). The J-3 weighs only slightly more than a Piet (less than mine), has the same power and 30 sq. ft more wing area. It also has much less drag since most of the bracing is internal, and the control cables are too (for the most part). The Aeronca Champ is nearly 10 years more modern than the Cub (the Champ first appeared in 1945), so again it should be expected to fly more like a modern airplane, becasue it IS a more modern airplane (it is in fact just an underpowered Citabria). When I got back from my honeymoon and wanted to go flying for the first time in almost 3 weeks, I didn't pull my RV-4 out of the hangar. Instead I climbed into the Pietenpol. I flew it down to Sanford, NC where a bunch of friends were sitting around "hangar flying". One of them (who built and flies an RV-8) asked why I wasn't flying my "real" airplane. I just snorted and said "I wanted to fly something that presented some kind of challenge. Flying the RV-4 doesn't prove that I can still fly." Jack Phillips Sweating in 100 degrees in Raleigh today -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:24 PM Pieters, Here I am butting in on your conversations again. I am pleased to see some discussions begin on the subject of Piet technics. Granted, the Piet is a well designed machine and has weathered the years and hardly anyone has received harm. But can it be improved without changing it's basic designs? After completing and flying 41CC I felt that it's flying characterics could be greatly improved, especially the float after round out. Many said it was because of high drag that caused the falling brick sensation. The Cub and 7AC both have a nice float, are heavier and posses abundant drag AND with 65 HP. As I was building 311CC I strongly considered the Cub airfoil as well as the 7AC and the Clark Y. I feel now they are superior to the BHP French 10. If I were to build again it would definitely be with a different airfoil. That Piet airfoil is in my opinion the weakest link of the Piet chain design. Two-bits worth on this beautiful Southern afternoon. I'll be waiting your bombardments with my old steel helmet. CMC _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N


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    Time: 03:06:34 PM PST US
    From: "bike.mike" <bike.mike@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Brodhead Pictures gone to Piet "improvements"
    Jack Phillips wrote: Durn Corky - you're gonna get the purists all activated! I think there's much that could be improved on the Pietenpol as well, [big snip] I decided I should improve a couple of things on my Piet. The original airfoil was a weak link, so I substituted a thicker, less cambered, airfoil. This let me put in stronger, lighter, spars and mount the aileron control cables internally. It also gave me much better flying characteristics. The wing strut cross-bracing seemed like it could easily be replaced by a V-type strut arrangement so I mounted the bottom end of the rear lift strut at the same point as the front strut with an adjusting mechanism to get the right dihedral and washout. Again, improved flying characteristics. The tail bracing bothered me so I built thicker horizontal and vertical stabilizers with strong spars, making the external bracing unnecessary. With a thicker horizontal stabilizer, I was able to mount the elevator halves on a torque tube that could be actuated by an internal pushrod, getting rid of the external elevator control cables. With the decreased drag the above modifications gave, the speed increased until the noise and buffeting of the open cockpit was unbearable, so I increased the front windscreen to full height between the fuselage and wing. With that, it was easy to add wrap-around panels to completely close off the cockpit. I could now have conversations with the front seat occupant without an intercom. The windscreen mod decreased drag even further, so the attainable speeds got up to where structural integrity was a concern. I replaced the wooden fuselage with an aluminum monocoque type; much lighter and stronger. With the windshield wrap-around, ingress and egress were a problem for both seats so I made a kind of sliding canopy. The cabane struts were in the way so I lowered the wing to eliminate them. Since the wing spars were now mounted directly to an aluminum fuselage, it became reasonable to convert the wings and tail to aluminum as well. With thicker wings, I was able to completely eliminate the lift struts, making a much slicker airplane. I'm very happy with my modified Pietenpol, but I get some comments from behind-the-times purists. Four different Pieters have said I "radically vandalized" Bernard Pietenpol's original creation. That's why I call it an RV-4. Mike


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    Time: 04:50:42 PM PST US
    From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Rudder Bar Dimensions?
    Hello all, I have a question regarding the rudder bar dimensions. I realize the plans call out a 3/4" tube, however I'm wondering if that is the dimension tube that people are using, and what wall thickness? Thank you! John --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.


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    Time: 05:29:36 PM PST US
    From: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
    Subject: Re: Aged Piet pilots
    Rick Holland, You pretty well nailed it when you wrote: "...the more red tape you have to go through to do an activity the less chance people are going to have an interest in it. And I can think of no activity or sport that requires more red tape and money to get into than aviation." A few years ago I came up with this: The recreational value of an activity is inversely proportional to the amount of government regulation imposed on it. Essentially we are saying the same thing. Just think what recreational flying could be like if we had only a minimum of commonsense regulations to deal with! Graham Hansen DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 09:32:34 PM PST US
    From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Rudder Bar Dimensions?
    Yes John, I believe people use the 3/4". I'm using the 3/4" x 0.035. I see no problem in going to a larger diameter as long as it fits under the connecting rod to the front stick. Thickness is not an issue as any thickness will only reduce the inside dimension. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar Dimensions? Hello all, I have a question regarding the rudder bar dimensions. I realize the plans call out a 3/4" tube, however I'm wondering if that is the dimension tube that people are using, and what wall thickness? Thank you! John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.




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