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1. 03:59 AM - Re: Application for N number.. (Wizzard187@aol.com)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Application for N number.. (Hans Vander Voort)
3. 05:52 AM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Hans Vander Voort)
4. 06:41 AM - 'Piet for sale (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
5. 07:05 AM - Aircamper GN-1 Plans (R Matt Doody)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Rick Holland)
7. 07:38 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Rick Holland)
8. 07:44 AM - Re: anyone 47 ? (Rick Holland)
9. 08:02 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Bill Church)
10. 08:32 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Roman Bukolt)
11. 08:37 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Robert Gow)
12. 08:39 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Robert Gow)
13. 08:45 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Dave Case)
14. 09:18 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Dave Abramson)
15. 10:38 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Jeff Boatright)
16. 11:09 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Catdesign)
17. 11:24 AM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Isablcorky@aol.com)
18. 12:27 PM - old dog new tricks (Michael D Cuy)
19. 12:47 PM - Funk Model E engine (Don Sweeney)
20. 01:44 PM - Funk expert is Lowell Frank (Michael D Cuy)
21. 01:58 PM - Re: Brodhead Pictures (Phillips, Jack)
22. 03:06 PM - Re: Brodhead Pictures gone to Piet "improvements" (bike.mike)
23. 04:50 PM - Rudder Bar Dimensions? (John Egan)
24. 05:29 PM - Re: Aged Piet pilots (Graham Hansen)
25. 09:32 PM - Re: Rudder Bar Dimensions? (Catdesigns)
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Subject: | Re: Application for N number.. |
Pieters. What is the easiest way to apply for your N number. I would like
to pay extra for a special number and I think there is a way to check on the
Internet if it is available.
Thanks, Ken Conrad in still hot Iowa
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Subject: | Re: Application for N number.. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
Ken
On-line at FAA.gov,
$ 10.-- to reserve your N number, when you are ready to fly you have to
register your airplane with the number.
A Pietenpol can use a X in the number to replace the ugly Experimental
label around the cockpit
Reserve your N number without the X.
In my case N 15KV was reserved and used on all FAA documents
But on the tail it reads as NX 15KV
Here is the link:
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/n_numbers/
Hans
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Pieters. What is the easiest way to apply for your N number. I would like
to pay extra for a special number and I think there is a way to check on
the Internet if it is available.
Thanks, Ken Conrad in still hot Iowa
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Subject: | Re: Aged Piet pilots |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
Last week I had to do my BFR.
At the FBO where I rented the future Airline pilot and a Cessna, there was
a small wooded plaque on the wall it read :
If Nuts could fly there would be airports.
I believe it says it all, anyone truly infected with the flying bug will
find a way to fly.
The only difference is the way people get infected, Today it is much
different than in those good old days.
Today kids get infected through video games, model airplanes, movies and
music
I grew up in the Netherlands, gas prices 3 times higher than US, airplane
rental 2 times higher, more regulation and user fees.
Yet, people Fly.
Have faith, there will always be Nuts.
Hans
45 with a 1 year old airworthy Piet
"Gordon Bowen"
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
The Golden Age of Aviation, 1930's would never have happen with today's
interpretation of rules by FAA or CAA. Too bad. Nobody born today will
have the pleasure of realizing their dreams of flying. Hanging around the
air strip (grass or gravel only, no fences please) and watching the old
guys
tinkering with their flyin' machines, hoping for a ride, will become a
thing
of the past ("sorry kid the lawyers may sue"). It's up to those
homebuilders now in their 40's to pass along this love of flying and flying
machines to any kid who'll listen and learn. Don't know about the
effectiveness of the Young Eagles program, but my love got started with the
newly founded CAP's ole WWII hand-me-down from the Air Corp's Yellar Cub
(first free ride, still remember it 52+ years later).
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:21 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen"
> <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
>
> I was only 41 when I first flew my Pietenpol, CF-AUN. I am still flying
it
> at 77---but like Gordon Bowen I am "trapped into the pit of snakes" and
> have to pass a Category 3 (same as Class 3) medical every year to fly
> ANYTHING legally. In a word, the medical requirements to fly a lightplane
> like a Pietenpol are UNREALISTIC, but I doubt the bureaucrats on either
> side of the border will ease them any time soon. The Sport Pilot
> initiative has been somewhat compromised by the medical "Catch 22"
> discussed by Gordon Bowen, as has our Recreational Pilot Permit in this
> country. It seems every advance is tempered by over-regulation, but the
> Sport Pilot initiative in the USA is a real advance, nevertheless.
>
> There is an annual fly-in breakfast every spring at our small city in
> central Alberta, Canada. If the weather cooperates, well over a hundred
> aircraft will come to it. It would be interesting to do a survey of the
> ages of attending pilots. This year, the average age would have been
close
> to, or over, sixty from what I and others observed. Where are all the
> younger people? (Probably motorcycling, or boating, or charging around on
> ATV's.)
>
> Very few younger folks are taking up flying for recreational purposes
> these days; most of those learning to fly are planning on a career in
> commercial aviation. This does not bode well for the future of sport
> flying in Canada. Any real growth here seems to be restricted to the
> ultralight segment.
>
> There are reasons for the decline in sport flying's appeal. Today we have
> competing recreational activities that cost as much as, or more than,
> sport flying, but people will opt for them because they are not
> over-regulated. The worst aspect of the over-regulation is related to
> unrealistic medical requirements for recreational flying. This alone
> substantially reduces the number of active pilots, and there are few
> younger replacements coming in.
>
> Having been an active pilot for 55 years, I'll probably have to quit
> (unwillingly, of course) one of these days. Who will take my place???
>
> Graham Hansen DO NOT ARCHIVE.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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New Model A powered Pietenpol Aircamper, built from Mr. Pietenpols original
plans by the master craftsman Don Hicks. This beautiful bird has the "jenny"
stiff leg gear and the brass radiator. Plane still needs basic time flown off.
Only 3 hours TT. Mr. Hicks died suddenly and widow need to sell. Widow
needs 10k however will accept any reasonable offer. Please contact Clara Hicks
at Hixplace@aol.com or call 334-348-2422
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Subject: | Aircamper GN-1 Plans |
I have a complete set of GN-1 plans for sale. New, purchased in March of this year,
never used. Please email offline if interested.
Matt
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Subject: | Re: Aged Piet pilots |
>
> There is an annual fly-in breakfast every spring at our small city in
> central Alberta, Canada. If the weather cooperates, well over a hundred
> aircraft will come to it. It would be interesting to do a survey of the
> ages
> of attending pilots. This year, the average age would have been close to,
> or
> over, sixty from what I and others observed. Where are all the younger
> people? (Probably motorcycling, or boating, or charging around on ATV's.)
How about video games? Flight simulators don't require a medical and $6000
for a private license or $3000 for a sport pilot license, no preflight,
maintenance, INSURANCE, hanger rental, bad weather to worry about, plus you
can fly any type of airplane you want, perform any aerobatics, fly anywhere
in the world, and shoot and kill people just like with War Craft or Grand
Theft Auto, all with zero risk of death or injury (and you can pause and go
to the bathroom or grab a beer any time you want).
Now that I think about it, imagine the computer system and simulator
software I could put together for what I have in my Piet so far (three 32
inch flat panel surround monitors)? Just kidding.
Its an instant gratification world out there for the younger people (and a
lot of the baby boomers as well), the more red tape you have to go through
to do an activity the less chance people are going to have an interest in
it. And I can't think of any activity or sport that requires more red tape
and money to get into than aviation. Plus with the bankruptcys and major pay
cuts going through the airline industry I wouldn't doubt that we will see a
decreased interest among younger people into getting into aviation as a
career.
Rick H.
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead Pictures |
>
>
> Oh, and strangely enough, I am 34 as well. Apparently most Piet
> Builders are either 55, or 34.
Or 56.
do not archive
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Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Yes it may be nice to be 34 but with all the hard drinking and womanizing
you would be doing (as I am sure you did when you were 34) you would loose
sight of the more important things in life, like building and flying a Piet.
And yes Mike if it makes you feel any better I wish I was 47 again.
Rick
do not archive
On 8/1/06, Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <
> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Gosh it would be great to be 34 again. I suppose the guys in the 50's
> 60's and up would think
>
> that being 47 would be great again too. Perspective I guess.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
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Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Brodhead Pictures |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Nice high resolution photos Dave.
Thanks for sharing them with us.
As I was looking through your pictures, I saw my legs in the background
of a couple of shots. Then I found myself and my teenage son in your
cool panorama shot.
And for the record, I fall in the middle of the popular ages, at 44.
Bill C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dave Case" <dav3xor@gmail.com>
I have posted my Brodhead pictures on my website;
...
Oh, and strangely enough, I am 34 as well. Apparently most Piet
Builders are either 55, or 34.
--
David Case
Dav3xor@gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead Pictures |
Speaking of Lowell Frank's Radial Piet.
He's very experienced at Piet flying.
He has tried a number of engines on that plane along with a variety of
wings including the original Piet airfoil.
But the wing he has on his plane is not the Piet airfoil. It is an
NACA4412. It's about 5/8" thicker and has about half the camberand a
rounder leading edge. He says the climb is improved, cruise speed
higher, better glide.
I saw it take off. The climb was more akin to a Cessna 150. About
double the angle of the rest of the Piets.
That radial is a 90 hp engine and the the guy who flew it said he did
not even use full throttle.
Hmm. Interesting!
and I haven't built my wing yet. Only the rib set. (Pietenpol rib plan)
I believe Lowell said it was the same airfoil used on the Luscombe.
Romey Bukolt Corvair powered under construction NX88XN (reserved)
do not archive
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Subject: | Brodhead Pictures |
I'm 53 in two weeks. Does that mean I need to wait 2 more years?
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: August 2, 2006 10:38 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pictures
Oh, and strangely enough, I am 34 as well. Apparently most Piet
Builders are either 55, or 34.
Or 56.
do not archive
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Brodhead Pictures |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
I set one as my background, the close-up of the orange pet with the brass
ford plate.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: August 2, 2006 11:02 AM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Nice high resolution photos Dave.
Thanks for sharing them with us.
As I was looking through your pictures, I saw my legs in the background
of a couple of shots. Then I found myself and my teenage son in your
cool panorama shot.
And for the record, I fall in the middle of the popular ages, at 44.
Bill C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dave Case" <dav3xor@gmail.com>
I have posted my Brodhead pictures on my website;
...
Oh, and strangely enough, I am 34 as well. Apparently most Piet
Builders are either 55, or 34.
--
David Case
Dav3xor@gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead Pictures |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dave Case" <dav3xor@gmail.com>
>In a message dated 8/1/2006 12:04:03 PM Central Standard Time,
>dav3xor@gmail.com writes:
>I have posted my Brodhead pictures on my website;
>
>http://www.builddiary.net/logs/21
>Dave,
>Great report on Brodhead Pictures, especially the panorama view. We need a
>panorama view each year, when the infield is full of Pietenpols !!
>
>Chuck G.
>NX770CG
I would like to do one every year. :) Not sure I can guarantee it
(I live in Portland Oregon), but I can certainly try.
--
David Case
Dav3xor@gmail.com
www.builddiary.net
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Subject: | Brodhead Pictures |
Hello Gents,
I am 42 (soon to be 43) and building my Piet for 1 years now.. Almost
way there. Have 11 more ribs to go, Fuse about done, tail surfaces done.
I just joined the list yesterday.
Cheers
Dave
Orange county, Ca.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gow
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:37 AM
I'm 53 in two weeks. Does that mean I need to wait 2 more years?
Bob
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: August 2, 2006 10:38 AM
Oh, and strangely enough, I am 34 as well. Apparently most Piet
Builders are either 55, or 34.
Or 56.
do not archive
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead Pictures |
I think I overheard Lowell say that it's a Riblett airfoil and that
Riblett had looked at the Piet airfoil, made comments on its
strengths and weaknesses, and then postulated that this other airfoil
would have all the strengths and none of the weaknesses. I had not
heard that it was a NACA airfoil, though. Maybe I missed that part of
the conversion.
Probably the best bet would be to talk to Lowell directly. He is
really sold on this airfoil and quite enthusiastic.
Jeff
At 10:32 AM -0500 8/2/06, Roman Bukolt wrote:
>Speaking of Lowell Frank's Radial Piet.
>He's very experienced at Piet flying.
>He has tried a number of engines on that plane along with a variety
>of wings including the original Piet airfoil.
>But the wing he has on his plane is not the Piet airfoil. It is an
>NACA4412. It's about 5/8" thicker and has about half the camberand
>a rounder leading edge. He says the climb is improved, cruise speed
>higher, better glide.
>I saw it take off. The climb was more akin to a Cessna 150. About
>double the angle of the rest of the Piets.
>That radial is a 90 hp engine and the the guy who flew it said he
>did not even use full throttle.
>Hmm. Interesting!
>and I haven't built my wing yet. Only the rib set. (Pietenpol rib plan)
>I believe Lowell said it was the same airfoil used on the Luscombe.
>
>Romey Bukolt Corvair powered under construction NX88XN (reserved)
>
>do not archive
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_____________________________________________________________
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead Pictures |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" <Catdesign@intergate.com>
Dave, do you happen to have any more pictures of Dennis Hall's Sky Scout wheels
and brakes?
Chris
Sacramento
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51836#51836
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead Pictures |
Pieters,
Here I am butting in on your conversations again. I am pleased to see some
discussions begin on the subject of Piet technics. Granted, the Piet is a well
designed machine and has weathered the years and hardly anyone has received
harm. But can it be improved without changing it's basic designs?
After completing and flying 41CC I felt that it's flying characterics could
be greatly improved, especially the float after round out. Many said it was
because of high drag that caused the falling brick sensation. The Cub and 7AC
both have a nice float, are heavier and posses abundant drag AND with 65 HP.
As I was building 311CC I strongly considered the Cub airfoil as well as the
7AC and the Clark Y. I feel now they are superior to the BHP French 10.
If I were to build again it would definitely be with a different airfoil.
That Piet airfoil is in my opinion the weakest link of the Piet chain design.
Two-bits worth on this beautiful Southern afternoon.
I'll be waiting your bombardments with my old steel helmet.
CMC
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Subject: | old dog new tricks |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Corky-- sure is nice to hear that at least one older fella we know is open
to tossing around ideas and
not stuck in the concrete of 50 years go "just because we've always done it
that way".
I find myself having to force myself to stay open to new ideas, new
technology and opinions that might not
fit my way of getting something done.
Lowell Frank is a pretty sharp guy and he's done just about all you can do
with a Piet over the years with regard
to Ford engines, souped up Fords, radical engine installations, and now
airfoil trials.
I too know the float you get with a Champ and that is a nice feeling---plus
the 87 mph cruise speed. Even tho I do think
drag is a huge factor in the non-float you get in a Piet, the wing probably
has mucho to do with that as well.
Keep posting, take the heat like us Yankee boys can do when we need
to. After all----you've been there, done that.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Funk Model E engine |
Gentlemen,
My Pietenpol is almost completed.When I finish painting the cowlings and wing,
I can start putting all the pieces together. I've been working on the Piet longer
than I care to admit and I hope that I can find all of the parts. I am using
a Funk Model E engine. I haven't run it yet and I need some information about
the engine. Jim Malley gave me a picture that he took of a Pietenpol with a
Funk engine at Broadhead some time ago. It would be greatly appreciated if anyone
could put me in touch with the builder or owner. I'm hoping the Funk will
get me to Broadhead next year.
Best regards
Don Sweeney donswen@optonline.com
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Subject: | Funk expert is Lowell Frank |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
There is the guy who knows everything to know about Funk engines----Lowell
Frank from Wisconsin.
He built a Funk powered Piet in the 70's or 80's that some lady now owns
and she flew it into Oshkosh with our gaggle
in 1999 and Lowell told me that the engine hadn't had a lick of trouble in
several hundred hours of operation and he had it
putting out some good ponies.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Brodhead Pictures |
Durn Corky - you're gonna get the purists all activated!
I think there's much that could be improved on the Pietenpol as well,
but it would change its flight characteristics. It would probably be a
better airplane, but one of the things that is delightful about the Piet
is that it doesn't fly like a more modern airplane. The J-3 Cub was
developed almost a decade after the initial Pietenpol design (and even
after the so-called "Cub" gear on the Improved Pietenpol). The J-3
weighs only slightly more than a Piet (less than mine), has the same
power and 30 sq. ft more wing area. It also has much less drag since
most of the bracing is internal, and the control cables are too (for the
most part). The Aeronca Champ is nearly 10 years more modern than the
Cub (the Champ first appeared in 1945), so again it should be expected
to fly more like a modern airplane, becasue it IS a more modern airplane
(it is in fact just an underpowered Citabria).
When I got back from my honeymoon and wanted to go flying for the first
time in almost 3 weeks, I didn't pull my RV-4 out of the hangar.
Instead I climbed into the Pietenpol. I flew it down to Sanford, NC
where a bunch of friends were sitting around "hangar flying". One of
them (who built and flies an RV-8) asked why I wasn't flying my "real"
airplane. I just snorted and said "I wanted to fly something that
presented some kind of challenge. Flying the RV-4 doesn't prove that I
can still fly."
Jack Phillips
Sweating in 100 degrees in Raleigh today
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:24 PM
Pieters,
Here I am butting in on your conversations again. I am pleased to see
some discussions begin on the subject of Piet technics. Granted, the
Piet is a well designed machine and has weathered the years and hardly
anyone has received harm. But can it be improved without changing it's
basic designs?
After completing and flying 41CC I felt that it's flying characterics
could be greatly improved, especially the float after round out. Many
said it was because of high drag that caused the falling brick
sensation. The Cub and 7AC both have a nice float, are heavier and
posses abundant drag AND with 65 HP. As I was building 311CC I strongly
considered the Cub airfoil as well as the 7AC and the Clark Y. I feel
now they are superior to the BHP French 10.
If I were to build again it would definitely be with a different
airfoil. That Piet airfoil is in my opinion the weakest link of the Piet
chain design.
Two-bits worth on this beautiful Southern afternoon.
I'll be waiting your bombardments with my old steel helmet.
CMC
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead Pictures gone to Piet "improvements" |
Jack Phillips wrote:
Durn Corky - you're gonna get the purists all activated!
I think there's much that could be improved on the Pietenpol as well,
[big snip]
I decided I should improve a couple of things on my Piet.
The original airfoil was a weak link, so I substituted a thicker, less
cambered, airfoil. This let me put in stronger, lighter, spars and
mount the aileron control cables internally. It also gave me much
better flying characteristics.
The wing strut cross-bracing seemed like it could easily be replaced by
a V-type strut arrangement so I mounted the bottom end of the rear lift
strut at the same point as the front strut with an adjusting mechanism
to get the right dihedral and washout. Again, improved flying
characteristics.
The tail bracing bothered me so I built thicker horizontal and vertical
stabilizers with strong spars, making the external bracing unnecessary.
With a thicker horizontal stabilizer, I was able to mount the elevator
halves on a torque tube that could be actuated by an internal pushrod,
getting rid of the external elevator control cables.
With the decreased drag the above modifications gave, the speed
increased until the noise and buffeting of the open cockpit was
unbearable, so I increased the front windscreen to full height between
the fuselage and wing. With that, it was easy to add wrap-around panels
to completely close off the cockpit. I could now have conversations
with the front seat occupant without an intercom.
The windscreen mod decreased drag even further, so the attainable speeds
got up to where structural integrity was a concern. I replaced the
wooden fuselage with an aluminum monocoque type; much lighter and
stronger.
With the windshield wrap-around, ingress and egress were a problem for
both seats so I made a kind of sliding canopy. The cabane struts were
in the way so I lowered the wing to eliminate them.
Since the wing spars were now mounted directly to an aluminum fuselage,
it became reasonable to convert the wings and tail to aluminum as well.
With thicker wings, I was able to completely eliminate the lift struts,
making a much slicker airplane.
I'm very happy with my modified Pietenpol, but I get some comments from
behind-the-times purists. Four different Pieters have said I "radically
vandalized" Bernard Pietenpol's original creation. That's why I call it
an RV-4.
Mike
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Subject: | Rudder Bar Dimensions? |
Hello all,
I have a question regarding the rudder bar dimensions. I realize the plans call
out a 3/4" tube, however I'm wondering if that is the dimension tube that
people are using, and what wall thickness?
Thank you!
John
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Subject: | Re: Aged Piet pilots |
Rick Holland,
You pretty well nailed it when you wrote:
"...the more red tape you have to go through to do an activity the less
chance people are going to have an interest in it. And I can think of no
activity or sport that requires more red tape and money to get into than
aviation."
A few years ago I came up with this:
The recreational value of an activity is inversely proportional to the
amount of government regulation imposed on it.
Essentially we are saying the same thing.
Just think what recreational flying could be like if we had only a
minimum of commonsense regulations to deal with!
Graham Hansen DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Rudder Bar Dimensions? |
Yes John, I believe people use the 3/4". I'm using the 3/4" x 0.035. I
see no problem in going to a larger diameter as long as it fits under
the connecting rod to the front stick. Thickness is not an issue as any
thickness will only reduce the inside dimension.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
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From: John Egan
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar Dimensions?
Hello all,
I have a question regarding the rudder bar dimensions. I realize the
plans call out a 3/4" tube, however I'm wondering if that is the
dimension tube that people are using, and what wall thickness?
Thank you!
John
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