---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/07/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - Ken Perkins contact info (Jack T. Textor) 2. 05:17 AM - Re: Ken Perkins contact info (HelsperSew@aol.com) 3. 06:22 AM - A65 spark plugs (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 07:44 AM - DVD Of Piet's (Dave Abramson) 5. 08:16 AM - Re: DVD Of Piet's (Ed G.) 6. 08:47 AM - Piet tape (Michael D Cuy) 7. 09:05 AM - thanks (glich7@juno.com) 8. 09:18 AM - Aerolab - imitation Pietenpol? (Steve Ruse) 9. 10:05 AM - Dacron and Latex Paint Long-Term Longevity (Jim Carriere) 10. 12:10 PM - Lowell Frqnk (Don Sweeney) 11. 12:23 PM - Propeller crush plates (Ed G.) 12. 01:02 PM - Re: Charging Question (KMHeide) 13. 01:10 PM - Re: A65 spark plugs (walt evans) 14. 04:40 PM - Re: Charging Question (Phillips, Jack) 15. 05:39 PM - Re: Charging Question (Gene & Tammy) 16. 06:15 PM - Re: Propeller crush plates (Gordon Bowen) 17. 10:21 PM - Re: Piet builders and AC list (Rcaprd@aol.com) 18. 11:19 PM - Re: Propeller crush plates (Rcaprd@aol.com) 19. 11:27 PM - Re: Charging Question (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ken Perkins contact info From: "Jack T. Textor" Morning all. Could someone supply me with Ken's contact info? Thanks, Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:09 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ken Perkins contact info Hi Jack, Ken's new email is _Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net) . I know this is good because I just got something from him. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:57 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 spark plugs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Walt writes- >Assuming you have a non certified 65 Yes, I believe I do have a non-certified engine. >Get standard auto plugs at a fraction of the price. I suppose then I'd have to get adapters for the harness leads? There would have to be something to adapt the screw-on end to the auto spark plug. >go here http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html Lots of stuff there, Walt. Where exactly would I look for what you're indicating? Thanks for your patience and help. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:17 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: DVD Of Piet's Hello All! Can someone please e-mail me an address where I can order a DVD of Pietenpol Flying or building? I am currently building but would like more information. Thanks in Advance! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpols Hello, Just wondering how many, if any piets plan on going to the M.E.R.F.I. fly-in at Marion Ohio this year. I know Mike said he would not be able to make it. I believe it is on the week end of august 26, and 27. Marion is a nice "central" location for all in Ohio, and weather pending, would make a nice cross country. I plan on flying NX92GB to marion if we get our carberator parts in time. Hope to see some Piets at marion since I didn't get all the way to brodhead this year. sincerly Shad Don Emch wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" I was just reading Tim Hansens post. It got me to realizing that there are quite a few Pietenpol owners in Ohio. If you've done some research Tim you probably know this already. There's Mike near Cleveland, Will Graff in Wadsworth, Frank Pavliga near Alliance, Gary and Shad Bell near Columbus, Virgil Phillips near Mansfield, and I'm on the eastern side south of Youngstown. These are just some of the completed ones, I'm sure there's more. I'm sure there are several under construction. Josh Bixler is another 20-something builder near Alliance. I guess what I'm saying is there is a lot of Pietenpol activity in Ohio. It would be really cool if we could try to organize something to get at least a few of them together somewhere. I know when I was building it helped so much to see one in completed form. Anyway if there is anyone that is going to be in the northeastern Ohio you would be very welcome to stop by and take a look and talk Piets. Just drop me a line. Don E. NX899DE Read this topic online ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:42 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: DVD Of Piet's --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." Try Chuck Gantzer at Rcaprd@aol.com and or Mike Cuy at Michael.D.Cuy@lerc.nasa.gov both have made excellent cds and or tapes >From: "Dave Abramson" >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: DVD Of Piet's >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:43:46 -0700 > >Hello All! > >Can someone please e-mail me an address where I can order a DVD of >Pietenpol >Flying or building? I am currently building but would like more >information. > >Thanks in Advance! > >Dave > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of shad bell >Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 5:43 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpols > >Hello, Just wondering how many, if any piets plan on going to the >M.E.R.F.I. >fly-in at Marion Ohio this year. I know Mike said he would not be able to >make it. I believe it is on the week end of august 26, and 27. Marion is >a >nice "central" location for all in Ohio, and weather pending, would make a >nice cross country. I plan on flying NX92GB to marion if we get our >carberator parts in time. Hope to see some Piets at marion since I didn't >get all the way to brodhead this year. >sincerly >Shad > >Don Emch wrote: >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" > >I was just reading Tim Hansens post. It got me to realizing that there are >quite a few Pietenpol owners in Ohio. If you've done some research Tim you >probably know this already. There's Mike near Cleveland, Will Graff in >Wadsworth, Frank Pavliga near Alliance, Gary and Shad Bell near Columbus, >Virgil Phillips near Mansfield, and I'm on the eastern side south of >Youngstown. These are just some of the completed ones, I'm sure there's >more. I'm sure there are several under construction. Josh Bixler is another >20-something builder near Alliance. I guess what I'm saying is there is a >lot of Pietenpol activity in Ohio. It would be really cool if we could try >to organize something to get at least a few of them together somewhere. I >know when I was building it helped so much to see one in completed form. >Anyway if there is anyone that is going to be in the northeastern Ohio you >would be very welcome to stop by and take a look and talk Piets. Just drop >me a line. >Don E. >NX899DE > > >Read this topic online ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:18 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet tape --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Dave-- Chuck Gantzer has some DVD productions available and I have a VHS (no DVD version available) tape here: http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html Mike Cuy ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:56 AM PST US From: "glich7@juno.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: thanks Hey guys, I just wanted to thank all those who replied to my post (Mike, Rick, Dan , Don, Tom, Walt, Graham, Max, and anyone I forgot...). I appreciate all the kind words and I know there are many others who are optimistic like me. I will continue to lurk, posting when appropriate, and learning wha t I don't know yet. Thanks for vouching for me Mike, I knew I could coun t on ya. And if I'm ever in NJ I'll fly with you Walt. Blue Skies, Tim Hansen in Orient, Ohio ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

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I just wanted to thank all those who replied to my post (Mike, Rick, Dan, Don, Tom, Walt, Graham, Max, and anyone I forgot...). I apprec iate all the kind words and I know there are many others who a re optimistic like me. I will continue to lurk, posting when a ppropriate, and learning what I don't know yet. Thanks for vou ching for me Mike, I knew I could count on ya. And if I'm ever in NJ I'l l fly with you Walt. Blue Skies,

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 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:55 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aerolab - imitation Pietenpol? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse Just wondering what everyone's thoughts were on these, I hadn't seen it discussed here before. An Italian company (Aerolab) apparently intends to manufacture a light sport aircraft with a fuselage that mimics a Pietenpol. The planes will be powered by a Rotec Radial engine, and they have low-wing, biplane, and parasol versions in the works, although it appears that they have only built a low-wing. Supposed to be in the $70k price range, available in 2007, and kits will be available. The Parasol does look very similar to the Pietenpol. Pictures & information: http://www.aerolab.it/images/AEREO-9-2-HI.jpg http://www.aerolab.it/images/_AEREO-7-3.jpg http://www.aerolab.it/pages/pro_eng.htm http://www.aerolab.it/pages/lo_gallery.htm# I think they may have been at OshKosh and Sun & Fun? I know its not a Pietenpol, but I like to see anyone manufacturing aircraft like this. The $70k price tag (if they can meet that) is much, much lower than any other LSA I'm aware of, and might put some people in the sky who can't or wouldn't build their own plane, but can't put down six figures for a new plane. Steve Ruse Norman, OK ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:44 AM PST US From: Jim Carriere Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dacron and Latex Paint Long-Term Longevity --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Carriere Hello all, First I should briefly introduce myself. I am a Kitfox builder (half done 90% remaining). I also enjoy following this list for the stories about plans building, occasional scratch building, experimenting, and stick-and-rudder flying. I'm 32 which makes me a "youngun" in grassroots aviation, another way of saying I have plenty of fun to look forward to. There is some really great material online, on this list and elsewhere, about fabric covering and latex paint. There is solid technical data, hands-on experience, paint selection, but not much about how it holds up beyond, say, about 5 years, particularly outdoors. My main question is whether anybody's latex painted airplane been parked in the sun for months or years? Where I live, hangar space is an issue (maybe even for folding wings), frequent trailering will not be a possibility for me, but tie-down space is cheap and abundant. By the way, it rains almost daily in the summertime although the winters are mild (northwest Florida). My other question is about any special care? Just mild soap and water with inspections? Anyway, thanks for any feedback and keep up the great work folks! Jim, in NW FL, Kitfox 7 in progress __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:54 PM PST US From: Don Sweeney Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lowell Frqnk Mike Thanks again for the information about Lowell. The information I'm looking for isn't too extensive. Type of spark plugs, normal operating oil press, oil temp range and prop dimensions. The head has the usual 4 spark plugs but it also has the capability for a second set of spark plugs for dual ignition. I was wondering how to set up a second magneto or some sort of electronic ignition. An interesting thought. I wanted to ask Lowell if he thought dual ignition was desireable. Again, thanks for the info. Don S. f. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:53 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller crush plates Is anyone out there using an aluminum propeller crush plate? Needing a crush plate for my Franklin bolt pattern and not having any luck finding one I had my machinist friend make one for me out of 1/4" 6061T aluminum plate. He chamfered the edges and polished it to a chrome like finish. The perfect touch for the nose of my Piet. This morning I was looking through Tony's "Firewall Forward" for prop bolt information when to my shock I found a paragraph where he say's an aluminum crush plate is okay for VW props but steel should be used on bigger props. Since the bolts are not torqued enough to crush the wood prop hub I would think my plate would be fine. What do you think guys??? After all the work my buddy put into this one I wont have the heart to ask him to do a steel one. Ed G. in Fl. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:38 PM PST US From: KMHeide Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question Since we are on the subject of electronics......May I poise a question concerning rectifiers and charging units to an A-65 Continental. I believe the air boat society has tinkered with these modifications sand have made several aircraft engines design to achieve certain goals. Understanding the natural of aircraft and all the do's and an don'ts....please read with open mind of curiosity. I have contacted a gentleman who has years in both aircraft and air boat manufacturing. They do manufacture a Lycoming flywheel machined to fit the end of an A-65 along with mounts to include a starter. The trick is mount a alternator to make the charging system complete. Now, I have visited with another gentleman who advised a rectifier can be utilized off the mags to provide a nice trickle charge to a motorcycle battery. See where I am going with this. I would like to have and a few gages run off the battery, radio, and a strobe. No I am not wanting to create a commercial aircraft nor reinvent the wheel. Just seeking input as to see if anyone examine this information or attempted something similar. Sincerely, Ken H Fargo, ND --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:19 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 spark plugs --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Oscar, First off it would be an 18mm thread. Then pick a heat range. I forget off hand which I got thru advice from my mentor. I'll check. Then I got the snazzy plug wire with the old time colors, and the brass ends for both the mag end and the plug end, and boots. They are under "wire and wire ends" walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 spark plugs > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > Walt writes- > >>Assuming you have a non certified 65 > > Yes, I believe I do have a non-certified engine. > >>Get standard auto plugs at a fraction of the price. > > I suppose then I'd have to get adapters for the harness leads? There > would have to be something to adapt the screw-on end to the auto spark > plug. > >>go here http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html > > Lots of stuff there, Walt. Where exactly would I look for what you're > indicating? Thanks for your patience and help. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:19 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question From: "Phillips, Jack" Ken, I have a Powersonic 18 AH battery with no charger on my Piet. I run the radio every time I fly, the transponder when I'm going into controlled fields, and the Ah-Ooooga horn whenever the spirit moves me. I charged the battery after I got back from OSH last year and finally ran it dead a couple of weeks ago and had to recharge it. Unless you're running a starter or landing lights I don't think you need much of a charger. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question Since we are on the subject of electronics......May I poise a question concerning rectifiers and charging units to an A-65 Continental. I believe the air boat society has tinkered with these modifications sand have made several aircraft engines design to achieve certain goals. Understanding the natural of aircraft and all the do's and an don'ts....please read with open mind of curiosity. I have contacted a gentleman who has years in both aircraft and air boat manufacturing. They do manufacture a Lycoming flywheel machined to fit the end of an A-65 along with mounts to include a starter. The trick is mount a alternator to make the charging system complete. Now, I have visited with another gentleman who advised a rectifier can be utilized off the mags to provide a nice trickle charge to a motorcycle battery. See where I am going with this. I would like to have and a few gages run off the battery, radio, and a strobe. No I am not wanting to create a commercial aircraft nor reinvent the wheel. Just seeking input as to see if anyone examine this information or attempted something similar. Sincerely, Ken H Fargo, ND _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:42 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question On my last plane (Avid) I used a motorcycle battery charger (about $11.00 from WalMart) and it worked great. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question Ken, I have a Powersonic 18 AH battery with no charger on my Piet. I run the radio every time I fly, the transponder when I'm going into controlled fields, and the Ah-Ooooga horn whenever the spirit moves me. I charged the battery after I got back from OSH last year and finally ran it dead a couple of weeks ago and had to recharge it. Unless you're running a starter or landing lights I don't think you need much of a charger. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 4:02 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question Since we are on the subject of electronics......May I poise a question concerning rectifiers and charging units to an A-65 Continental. I believe the air boat society has tinkered with these modifications sand have made several aircraft engines design to achieve certain goals. Understanding the natural of aircraft and all the do's and an don'ts....please read with open mind of curiosity. I have contacted a gentleman who has years in both aircraft and air boat manufacturing. They do manufacture a Lycoming flywheel machined to fit the end of an A-65 along with mounts to include a starter. The trick is mount a alternator to make the charging system complete. Now, I have visited with another gentleman who advised a rectifier can be utilized off the mags to provide a nice trickle charge to a motorcycle battery. See where I am going with this. I would like to have and a few gages run off the battery, radio, and a strobe. No I am not wanting to create a commercial aircraft nor reinvent the wheel. Just seeking input as to see if anyone examine this information or attempted something similar. Sincerely, Ken H Fargo, ND _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:19 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Propeller crush plates Ed, I have 6061T crush plates on my 160HP Cozy Mark IV, 150HP Osprey and 108HP Piete. Each has a wooden prop. With steel washers. Never a problem. One issue though-------you gotta torque bolts on the prop muliple times to get the wood to stablize. I torque down to appox. 90% of final setting, wait a couple days (the apparent torque drops to about 20% below where I had torqued before), then torque up to 95% wait another couple days, do it again until I reach the recommended torque for the size bolts used. Then and only then I safety wire and try the engine. Never have had a wooden prop that remained at the proper torque, by doing it just one time, wooden props are kinda funny, especially if they're new or have been off the engine for some time. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed G. To: piet-list piet-list Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller crush plates Is anyone out there using an aluminum propeller crush plate? Needing a crush plate for my Franklin bolt pattern and not having any luck finding one I had my machinist friend make one for me out of 1/4" 6061T aluminum plate. He chamfered the edges and polished it to a chrome like finish. The perfect touch for the nose of my Piet. This morning I was looking through Tony's "Firewall Forward" for prop bolt information when to my shock I found a paragraph where he say's an aluminum crush plate is okay for VW props but steel should be used on bigger props. Since the bolts are not torqued enough to crush the wood prop hub I would think my plate would be fine. What do you think guys??? After all the work my buddy put into this one I wont have the heart to ask him to do a steel one. Ed G. in Fl. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:07 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet builders and AC list In a message dated 8/5/2006 11:19:01 AM Central Standard Time, AMsafetyC@aol.com writes: The after work hours are pretty much open times form me exclusive of the obligatory business dinner and entertainment component. During those travels I would like to combine my love of flying with my interest in the Piet experience to visit some of the builders in process and some of the flying Piets. John, and all, If you are ever in the Wichita KS area, be sure to look me up. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:08 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Propeller crush plates In a message dated 8/7/2006 2:25:39 PM Central Standard Time, flyboy_120@hotmail.com writes: Is anyone out there using an aluminum propeller crush plate? Needing a crush plate for my Franklin bolt pattern and not having any luck finding one I had my machinist friend make one for me out of 1/4" 6061T aluminum plate. He chamfered the edges and polished it to a chrome like finish. The perfect touch for the nose of my Piet. This morning I was looking through Tony's "Firewall Forward" for prop bolt information when to my shock I found a paragraph where he say's an aluminum crush plate is okay for VW props but steel should be used on bigger props. Since the bolts are not torqued enough to crush the wood prop hub I would think my plate would be fine. What do you think guys??? After all the work my buddy put into this one I wont have the heart to ask him to do a steel one. Ed G. in Fl. Ed, The crush plates on the Cont A65 are steel. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:39 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question In a message dated 8/7/2006 3:04:58 PM Central Standard Time, kmheidecpo@yahoo.com writes: The trick is mount a alternator to make the charging system complete. Now, I have visited with another gentleman who advised a rectifier can be utilized off the mags to provide a nice trickle charge to a motorcycle battery. See where I am going with this. I would like to have and a few gages run off the battery, radio, and a strobe. No I am not wanting to create a commercial aircraft nor reinvent the wheel. Just seeking input as to see if anyone examine this information or attempted something similar. Ken, If you have an engine driven charging system, the FAA requires you to have a transponder. Using the current produced by the Mags is a Big NO NO !! I have a small sealed lead acid battery (about $20) for the handheld radio, smoke pump, and rarely used GPS. I have a solar charger panel mounted on top of the wing, but still have to charge the battery about 3 times a year. Chuck G. NX770CG