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1. 02:19 AM - Re: Charging Question (HelsperSew@aol.com)
2. 05:16 AM - Help- Wheel hubs (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 05:53 AM - thanks to the group and crepe paper drops---att: Capt. Gantzer ! (Michael D Cuy)
4. 07:34 AM - spoke holes (Michael D Cuy)
5. 10:06 AM - Re: spoke holes (HelsperSew@aol.com)
6. 10:32 AM - Re: spoke holes (Michael D Cuy)
7. 11:51 AM - Re: spoke holes (Jim Markle)
8. 01:39 PM - Re: spoke holes (HelsperSew@aol.com)
9. 01:41 PM - Ply spar question (Dan Loegering)
10. 01:54 PM - Thanks to Piet builders for Brodhead (Tim Willis)
11. 02:26 PM - Re: spoke holes (HelsperSew@aol.com)
12. 02:26 PM - Re: Ply spar question (HelsperSew@aol.com)
13. 02:52 PM - Re: Charging Question (Rcaprd@aol.com)
14. 03:21 PM - (no subject) (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
15. 03:27 PM - Re: Charging Question (HelsperSew@aol.com)
16. 06:29 PM - Re: (no subject) (Gene & Tammy)
17. 07:27 PM - Re: spoke holes (Jim Markle)
18. 08:48 PM - Re: thanks to the group and crepe paper drops---att: Capt. Gantzer ! (Catdesigns)
19. 09:59 PM - Re: thanks to the group and crepe paper drops---att: Capt. Ga... (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Charging Question |
Hi Chuck,
Cy was right except when he said "if you don't have an engine driven
electrical system then you can wander through the class C". The FAR specifically
states that EVERYBODY (except for waiver) has to have an operating mode C
transponder to enter the Class C. I think he meant to say you can go around or
under the overlying layers, but stay clear of, the Class C airspace. I
routinely go within 5 mi. of Madison Wi., but I stay under the overlying layers.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Help- Wheel hubs |
Hi Listers,
I am now making my Ken Perkins style wheel hubs for the spoked wheels. What
diameter holes do I drill so that Buchannan's can put in the spokes? Please
help.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | thanks to the group and crepe paper drops---att: Capt. |
Gantzer !
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys-- thank you for your answers to the sport pilot issue. Sounds like
local Piet owner/pilot Don E. is in the
same situation as I am. I exercised my privileges yesterday afternoon by
taking two hours leave and flying in some
very nice skies. I took two rolls of crepe paper with me, one red, one
blue. (I have a nice selection of them in a box
by my Aeroshell engine oil on some shelves in the hangar)
Ala The Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome in Rob Busch's state of New York, you climb
up, do a traffic check all around
and below crumple up about a foot or so of the end of the roll, do some
slow flight and chuck the roll over the shoulder
of your choice. You throttle up a bit, fly forward in a descent and then
make (your choice) a button hook turn around,
and hunt for the lazy fluttering streamer of color in the sky. The trick
is to catch the crepe paper midway down its length
about 1/2 way our on one of you wings. (don't want to dice it up in the
prop if you can help it) If you catch the paper it
will stretch nicely about 50 feet behind your wing in two nice flowing
streams. If you do wing waves the crepe paper
flows up and down in beautiful s-live waves. Generally the paper only
lasts about 10 minutes at moderate cruise and then
breaks away. If you hit the paper too hard initially it will break
too. Requires a pretty decent touch but once you get
the hang of it you can littler to your hearts content.
Mike C.
Oh man, the tree huggers are gonna love this post
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Dan--- you can request various size (they use gauge sizes as I recall)
diameter spokes from Buchannan's and you have the
choice between steel, chromed steel, stainless, etc. I drilled my
holes for the spokes and then used a countersink bit to
accept the head of the spoke which has a taper and that helped seat the
spokes nicely in the hub.
Mike C.
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Mike,
Do you recall what size or gauge you used on your spokes?
Dan H.
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Dan-- offhand I don't recall what gauge I ordered but they are
approximately 0.17" in diameter give or take.
Mike
http://www.buchananspokes.com/aboutus.htm
We have spokes for most all your wheel needs. The following lists our most
popular sets. Please note that stainless spoke kits are commonly listed in
different sizes, and with a variety of nipples; either nickel plated steel,
chrome plate, or stainless steel. Prepackaged spoke kits cost less than
custom made kits, therefore any changes made to the following kits will be
priced as custom, rather than pre-packaged. Polishing is available on
stainless spoke kits for $51.00. Unless polishing is requested, spoke kits
will be shipped unpolished (with exception of Harley special design kits).
Use of motorcycle brand names are provided solely for reference.
Products appearing in this catalog are not licensed or endorsed by listed
motorcycle manufacturers.
SS = STAINLESS SPOKES AND STAINLESS NIPPLES
SZ = STAINLESS SPKS W/NICKEL PLATED STEEL NIPPLES
AFTMKT = AFTERMARKET RIM C = CHROME SPOKES AND NIPPLES
SH = STAINLESS SPOKES W/BLUE ZINC PLATED NIPPLES
DP D/C = DEEP DROP CENTER
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There's a copy of a Buchanan's invoice at:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesFiles/wheels1.doc
Jim Markle
Pryor, OK
214.505.6101
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spoke holes
Dan-- offhand I don't recall what gauge I ordered but they are
approximately 0.17" in diameter give or take.
Mike
http://www.buchananspokes.com/aboutus.htm
We have spokes for most all your wheel needs. The following lists our
most popular sets. Please note that stainless spoke kits are commonly
listed in different sizes, and with a variety of nipples; either nickel
plated steel, chrome plate, or stainless steel. Prepackaged spoke kits
cost less than custom made kits, therefore any changes made to the
following kits will be priced as custom, rather than pre-packaged.
Polishing is available on stainless spoke kits for $51.00. Unless
polishing is requested, spoke kits will be shipped unpolished (with
exception of Harley special design kits). Use of motorcycle brand names
are provided solely for reference.
Products appearing in this catalog are not licensed or endorsed by
listed motorcycle manufacturers.
SS = STAINLESS SPOKES AND STAINLESS NIPPLES
SZ = STAINLESS SPKS W/NICKEL PLATED STEEL NIPPLES
AFTMKT = AFTERMARKET RIM C = CHROME SPOKES AND NIPPLES
SH = STAINLESS SPOKES W/BLUE ZINC PLATED NIPPLES
DP D/C = DEEP DROP CENTER
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Jim,
Thanks for the link to your invoice. It will help me alot.
Dan Helsper
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| Subject: | Ply spar question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan Loegering" <danl@odayequipment.com>
After looking at costs and options on making spars, I have a question on a built-up ply spar... If I "change the plans" from the original 1" routed or 3/4" solid spars, what documentation is the FAA or a DAR going to want to see to prove that the spars will be equal to or better than the original design. I am contemplating building up with a 1/2" core ply and 1/4" X 1" "caps" glued to the top and bottom face to build up the thickness. The ply will be full depth. For great pictures of a spar like this, see Bob Siebert's pictures on Chris Tracy's web site (www.westcoastpiet.com) - nice site by the way... I know there are others out there with built up spars as well - any issues arise when you had your airworthiness inspections?
Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Thanks to Piet builders for Brodhead |
> I just wanted to thank the guys who flew their Piets into Brodhead, and the
guys who tried, but were turned back by weather.
>
> It was a great time for me, for I had never before seen a Pietenpol actually
together. To see that many at one time, and to note and compare all the various
differences in finish details, hardware and attachments, cockpits, cowlings, and
engines was simply wonderful. Your workmanship, love of details, and pride
of ownership, were obvious to all, and inspirational.
>
> I have a bunch of stuff to do before building, so I can stay married-- e.g.,
work
on the house, yard, vehicles, and finances. However, I plan to start building
on
1 Oct and build for at least 4 hours a day until done. It will be pure pleasure.
Corky gave me a wonderful start and middle-- what's the saying-- "over halfway
there... and 90 percent to go"?
I hope to see many of you there in Brodhead next year.
>
> Tim
> timothywillis@earthlink.net
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Jim,
I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to the sizing of wheels and tires.
I see on the Buchannan's invoice, line item #1, the Sun WM2 (1.85) x 21
rim. OK, the 21 refers to the overall rim diameter right? What does the 1.85
refer to? Is that the measured rim width? Your tires are 3" wide at the
widest point correct?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Ply spar question |
Dan,
That built-up spar seems like it would be plenty strong to me (eyeball
engineer). I am wondering how it will come out weight-wise. I went with the
full
1" thick and then routed. If I had to do over again I would not do this.
What a waste of beautiful spruce that ends up in chips on the floor!! I threw
big bags of spruce chips away that day, not to mention an incredible amount
of work. How will you splice the 1/2" ply together since you need about 13
1/2 feet per side of a 3-piece wing? The DAR won't say anything about that
spar. Besides, you as the builder have complete control of what you use, and
you don't have to prove anything to anyone. After all, it's only your neck
during the 40 hour fly-off period. I guess they figure that's enough time for
a
catastrophic wing spar failure to occur (don't mean to scare you). :)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Charging Question |
In a message dated 8/10/2006 4:21:14 AM Central Standard Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
I think he meant to say you can go around or under the overlying layers, but
stay clear of, the Class C airspace. I routinely go within 5 mi. of Madison
Wi., but I stay under the overlying layers.
Yes, I think that's what he meant, but what about the 30 NM Mode C Veil ?
What does it represent ?
Chuck G.
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Would one of you please tell me how to unscribe from this list? Thanks
Clara Hicks Hixplace@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Charging Question |
Chuck,
The mode C veil keeps out people like me that have an old airplane that was
originally certificated with an engine driven electrical system, but no
transponder. If you are an ultralight or Cub or Champ, you can go right through
it as if it did not exist. Not fair!!
Dan H
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| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Clara,
Go to http://www.matronics.com/subscription
Once there you will find an area where you can unscribe from this list.
Good Luck
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Waytogopiet@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Would one of you please tell me how to unscribe from this list?
Thanks
Clara Hicks Hixplace@aol.com
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Hi Dan,
I think the 1.85 was width. I called the guy at Buchanan's and he gave
me all the sizing info. I wanted to go wider than 1.85 and he said to
stick with 1.85" for the wheels I wanted. I still wish I had gone wider
but I figure that's his business so I had better listen! He was very
helpful. I told him what I was using it for and described the Ken
Perkins hubs. He filled in all the blanks for me. And yes, the tires
are about 3" wide. And with air, they are almost exactly 26" tall.
Jim in Pryor, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spoke holes
Jim,
I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to the sizing of wheels and
tires. I see on the Buchannan's invoice, line item #1, the Sun WM2
(1.85) x 21 rim. OK, the 21 refers to the overall rim diameter right?
What does the 1.85 refer to? Is that the measured rim width? Your
tires are 3" wide at the widest point correct?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: thanks to the group and crepe paper drops---att: Capt. |
Gantzer !
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
Hey Mike, why don't you figure out a way to shoot some digital footage of
you paper cutting ability and I'll put it on the website...Then we can
compare the your skill against Chuck's...........
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: thanks to the group and crepe paper drops---att:
Capt. Gantzer !
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Guys-- thank you for your answers to the sport pilot issue. Sounds like
> local Piet owner/pilot Don E. is in the
> same situation as I am. I exercised my privileges yesterday afternoon by
> taking two hours leave and flying in some
> very nice skies. I took two rolls of crepe paper with me, one red, one
> blue. (I have a nice selection of them in a box
> by my Aeroshell engine oil on some shelves in the hangar)
>
> Ala The Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome in Rob Busch's state of New York, you
> climb up, do a traffic check all around
> and below crumple up about a foot or so of the end of the roll, do some
> slow flight and chuck the roll over the shoulder
> of your choice. You throttle up a bit, fly forward in a descent and then
> make (your choice) a button hook turn around,
> and hunt for the lazy fluttering streamer of color in the sky. The trick
> is to catch the crepe paper midway down its length
> about 1/2 way our on one of you wings. (don't want to dice it up in the
> prop if you can help it) If you catch the paper it
> will stretch nicely about 50 feet behind your wing in two nice flowing
> streams. If you do wing waves the crepe paper
> flows up and down in beautiful s-live waves. Generally the paper only
> lasts about 10 minutes at moderate cruise and then
> breaks away. If you hit the paper too hard initially it will break too.
> Requires a pretty decent touch but once you get
> the hang of it you can littler to your hearts content.
>
> Mike C.
>
> Oh man, the tree huggers are gonna love this post
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: thanks to the group and crepe paper drops---att: Capt. |
Ga...
In a message dated 8/10/2006 7:54:59 AM Central Standard Time,
Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
Ala The Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome in Rob Busch's state of New York, you climb
up, do a traffic check all around
and below crumple up about a foot or so of the end of the roll, do some
slow flight and chuck the roll over the shoulder
of your choice. You throttle up a bit, fly forward in a descent and then
make (your choice) a button hook turn around,
and hunt for the lazy fluttering streamer of color in the sky. The trick
is to catch the crepe paper midway down its length
about 1/2 way our on one of you wings. (don't want to dice it up in the
prop if you can help it) If you catch the paper it
will stretch nicely about 50 feet behind your wing in two nice flowing
streams. If you do wing waves the crepe paper
flows up and down in beautiful s-live waves. Generally the paper only
lasts about 10 minutes at moderate cruise and then
breaks away. If you hit the paper too hard initially it will break
too. Requires a pretty decent touch but once you get
the hang of it you can littler to your hearts content.
Mike C.
Oh man, the tree huggers are gonna love this post
Hey Mikee !!
Evidently, like building a Pietenpol, there is more ways than one to do a
Paper Cut !!
I use the cheap, thin, toilet paper that costs about 4 or 5 bucks for about
a
dozen rolls, or so. That's probably why I've never been able to get it to
catch a wing, without breaking it. However, sometimes I return to the field
with little pieces of T.P. hanging on various places on the airframe !! The
challenging part is finding that thin little wisp of paper, after doing the
turn
around. I missed it by a long shot, the first 4 or 5 times I tried. The wa
y I
do it now, is to climb high enough to make two passes at it, about 3000' agl
,
and use pattern altitude as my hard deck. Two times I have had double cuts
!!
I hold the T. P. roll in my left hand (keeping right hand on the stick),
and be sure that the rolling twitch of the wrist will Unroll the paper. One
time I had it wrong, and the roll of T. P. failed to unroll, and who knows..
.it
may have bounced off of the hood of one of those tree huggers !! Not to fea
r
though...this stuff is Bio-Degradable. I now extend my arm over the side of
the longeron for the un-rolling release, because one time while tossing it o
ver
the side, I bumped the windshield, and it bounced off the flying wires on th
e
tail, and I could feel the BUMP through the stick. So, I line up on a road
or
something and make a mental note of compass heading and an object on tera
firma, pull power to about 1600 rpm, get 'er slowed down to MCA (Minimum
Controllable Airspeed), after release I pull power even farther and make a d
escending
Right turn, changing heading about 20=BA or so. Then steep roll Left,
continuing the steep decent. At this point, the wing blanks out the visual
on the
target, so I rely on heading change, and the object on the surface. After t
he
180=BA change in direction, start searching the horizon for the thin little
target
out in the distance. It usually presents itself about 20=BA off the nose, a
nd
at half mile. Once it is sighted, it is easy enough to get a HIT !! It's
really cool to watch it grow very gradually at first, then the last several
hundred feet away, it grows bigger at a high rate, and BAM...Got it !! Do a
nother
turn around, and go for a second HIT !! It's even more fun to do this with
a
passenger on board, and with the intercom I now have, we sound like Maverick
&
Goose !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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