---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/19/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:33 AM - Re: Radiator placement question, etc (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 2. 03:58 AM - Re: California to Oshkosh & Back (Gene & Tammy) 3. 12:47 PM - [ Fred Beseler ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 4. 01:23 PM - Re: [ Fred Beseler ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (walt evans) 5. 02:44 PM - Bending Flat Steel - fittings (John Egan) 6. 06:25 PM - (no subject) (TGSTONE236@aol.com) 7. 08:47 PM - Re: New Piet project (Skip-Cinda Gadd) 8. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: 800 4 tires (Skip-Cinda Gadd) 9. 09:13 PM - Re: 800 4 tires (Skip-Cinda Gadd) 10. 10:07 PM - Re: 800 4 tires (Dick Navratil) 11. 10:15 PM - Re: (no subject) (Dick Navratil) 12. 11:02 PM - Re: Bending Flat Steel - fittings (Catdesigns) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:49 AM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radiator placement question, etc --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Ryan: One of the old magazines told of the rad. mounted below the engine on a Scout and stated that BHP wasn't pleased with it. Didn't say why. My guess is that it is a more complicated to build this set up then the top mounted rad. and weighed a lot more because of additional plumbing, the need for a header tank, plus all of the extra work to ft it into the cowling. Stick with the top radiator, and don't add anything extra. Keep it light, especially with the heavy underpowered Model A. Find a nice light Aluminum radiator. For now I am planing to use a VW Golf radiator - - 4 lbs. Don't go more than 6 to 1 with babbit. I plan to re do my babbitt with insert bearings. Leon S. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:13 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: California to Oshkosh & Back Don, The pilot that shot those photos flys a luscombe and posted them on the Matronics "luscombe-silvaire site." I don't recall his name but he is well known there. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:10 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: California to Oshkosh & Back In a message dated 8/17/2006 4:33:19 PM Central Standard Time, donswen@optonline.net writes: I'm not sure who to address this to but the pictures on "Oshkosh 2006" were great.As a photographer I commend you. The pictures and the commentary were enjoyable. I would like to know what format you used for this presentation and the process used to present these marvelous pictures on the website. Great show | Don Sweeney Don, I posted the website, but I don't know who the artist, and flyers were. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Fred Beseler ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Fred Beseler Lists: Pietenpol-List Subject: Brodhead 2006 http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/TBYH@aol.com.08.19.2006/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:53 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: [ Fred Beseler ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Fred, Great shots, thanks for sharing.!! walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Email List Photo Shares" Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Fred Beseler ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares > > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Fred Beseler > > Lists: Pietenpol-List > > Subject: Brodhead 2006 > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/TBYH@aol.com.08.19.2006/index.html > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures@matronics.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:35 PM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending Flat Steel - fittings I've been struggling to find a good method to bend flat steel to form the "Upper Wing Fittings" (the pieces that wrap around the spars for the cabane strut to attach). Does anyone have a good method to bend these nicely short of using a finger brake? I can of coarse easily make the first bend in the vise, but the second bend about 7/8" from the first bend is the difficult one. Do you guys also interlock the other piece of flat steel (for the cabane strut to attach) between the bottom of the spar and the fitting described above, or weld the tabs on to the fittings as the plan shows? Thank you, and thanks for the recent sites of all the Pietenpol photos. John Greenville, Wi. --------------------------------- Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:09 PM PST US From: TGSTONE236@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) I just purchased someone elses pietenpol project. It was on E-bay if you noticed. For the last few months I have read your emails with interest. The ribs have been made, the fuselage is mostly done and covered,it is the short fuselage, cabine struts are done, tail feathers are complete and covered. It has the motor mount for a corvair and a 1964 corvair 110 HP motor with prop hub mounted.It looks like it will be a good project for me for awhile. Jack Phillips ,if you want to fly down to Wilmington NC, Pilots Ridge airport(03NC) and share your knowledge you are more than welcome. Ted Stone Stepping down from an A-23 Beech Musketeer and worrying about being able to past the physical every year with the FAA nightmare you have to go thru as a diabetic. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:38 PM PST US From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Piet project Hi Ted, Welcome to the list. Have fun with your new project. I wouldn't call it stepping down to a Piet, more like stepping back to an earlier time. Skip ----- Ted Stone Stepping down from an A-23 Beech Musketeer ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:56 PM PST US From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 800 4 tires --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" Thanks Don, I have been looking in Trade-a-Plane and will start checking ebay. I agree the best thing would be to put 6 inch wheels on the thing, but that would be a project and I bought the thing so I could fly not build. I will not fly it with unsafe tires so am still looking. My tires may be servicable, but one has a crack so deep you can see air ;<) Skip > [ > Skip, > Although they aren't real easy to find I'm pretty sure I recently saw a dealer in Trade-a-Plane that had them at a much better price. Can't remember who though. I'd keep an eye on ebay too. I've seen serviceable ones go on there at a decent price. Heck at that price you might be able to find some 800-6 tires and wheels, maybe even 850-6! > Don E. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:32 PM PST US From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 800 4 tires Thanks KM, I wish we had Fleet and Farm here in WV. I checked their web sites and they don't have any products, only locations and hours. Skip >Go to the store call Fleet/farm... ----- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:25 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 800 4 tires Hi Skip I was in a Northern Tool store today and checked their supply of tires and tubes, no luck there. I'll be going to Fleet Farm in the next day or two. I'll check it out there. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip-Cinda Gadd To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 11:13 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 800 4 tires Thanks KM, I wish we had Fleet and Farm here in WV. I checked their web sites and they don't have any products, only locations and hours. Skip >Go to the store call Fleet/farm... ----- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:37 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Ted You do have it wrong. You have stepped up to a Pietenpol. How many times have people streamed out of an FBO to look at your Musketeer? Do they ask to have their picture taken with you next to your Musketeer? Corporate pilots come over out of the Lears and Falcons to look. I have had these things happen almost every time I go to a new field. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: TGSTONE236@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) I just purchased someone elses pietenpol project. It was on E-bay if you noticed. For the last few months I have read your emails with interest. The ribs have been made, the fuselage is mostly done and covered,it is the short fuselage, cabine struts are done, tail feathers are complete and covered. It has the motor mount for a corvair and a 1964 corvair 110 HP motor with prop hub mounted.It looks like it will be a good project for me for awhile. Jack Phillips ,if you want to fly down to Wilmington NC, Pilots Ridge airport(03NC) and share your knowledge you are more than welcome. Ted Stone Stepping down from an A-23 Beech Musketeer and worrying about being able to past the physical every year with the FAA nightmare you have to go thru as a diabetic. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:42 PM PST US From: "Catdesigns" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending Flat Steel - fittings John, Try taking a look at Jim's Bench-top Brake pictures on my website. http://westcoastpiet.com/bench-top_bender.htm I made one of these and it works great. You may want to make it several inches longer then your bench vise. My vice is 6" and I think I will have to make a brake that is about 9" to make the fittings your talking about. This way, the second 90 degree bend can be made without hitting the vice. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca www.WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending Flat Steel - fittings I've been struggling to find a good method to bend flat steel to form the "Upper Wing Fittings" (the pieces that wrap around the spars for the cabane strut to attach). Does anyone have a good method to bend these nicely short of using a finger brake? I can of coarse easily make the first bend in the vise, but the second bend about 7/8" from the first bend is the difficult one. Do you guys also interlock the other piece of flat steel (for the cabane strut to attach) between the bottom of the spar and the fitting described above, or weld the tabs on to the fittings as the plan shows? Thank you, and thanks for the recent sites of all the Pietenpol photos. John Greenville, Wi.