---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/25/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:38 AM - Re: Bell Crank Location (Gene Rambo) 2. 06:37 AM - Fuse construction (Dan Loegering) 3. 06:50 AM - Re: Fuse construction (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 4. 07:23 AM - Re: Fuse construction (Dave Abramson) 5. 07:25 AM - Re: Fuse construction (Rick Holland) 6. 07:31 AM - Re: Fuse construction (Rick Holland) 7. 07:36 AM - Re: Torch Question (Glenn Thomas) 8. 07:44 AM - Re: Builders in Southern Cal (Dave Abramson) 9. 07:48 AM - Re: Bell Crank Location (Allan Macklem) 10. 09:06 AM - Re: Bell Crank Location (Jack T. Textor) 11. 02:22 PM - Re: Bell Crank Location (Jack T. Textor) 12. 02:54 PM - Re: Bell Crank Location (Allan Macklem) 13. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: Torch Question (Catdesigns) 14. 07:01 PM - Re: Builders in Southern Cal (Catdesigns) 15. 07:31 PM - Re: Builders in Southern Cal (Catdesigns) 16. 08:29 PM - Re: Torch Question (jimcarriere) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:27 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank Location I think if you look back through the archives that it pretty much standard that the bellcrank is raised a bit by most everyone I have seen build a Piet. Ken Perkins has worked out the exact geometry for drilling the holes in the bellcrank that eliminates the problem of one cable going slack at the extreme ends of the travel so all are tight all the time, you'll have to get that from him. I agree, though, micarta or teflon at all rub points. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank Location I have been hesitating to drill and bolt my bell crank in place (control cable bell crank) because I would like to raise it 3/4" above the 9" dimension as the plans call out in the rear fuselage section. I've been trying to figure out if this change in dimension changes the elevator movement given the same stick movement, and even if it did, would it matter much. The reason I would like to mount the bell crank a little higher is for better cable routing from the crank to the elevators. Do you guys who have built to completion have any thoughts on this? Thanks. John Greenville, Wi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse construction From: "Dan Loegering" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan Loegering" Thank you all for the comments on construction - lots of great ideas to think about! The landing gear items have started me thinking again also. I really liked the looks of the Jenny style gear, but like the function of the Cub style. My intent was to build the split gear, and then streamline with wood fairings to try and bring back the look of the original Jenny style legs. I had never thought about using streamlined tubing and paint to accomplish this - I like that idea! On the fuse length issue, since I am using an A65-8 with no electrical, and looking where the length is added to the long fuse (some up front, but mainly behind the CG), I may take a look at a hybrid. Long fuse dimensions up front, short fuse dimensions behind the pilot. I like the extra couple of inches in each cockpit, but don't see the reason to move the tail further back which would need to be offset by moving the engine forward... Something to think about, and put a calculator to... Dan L ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:34 AM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse construction Slightly off topic, when building the fuselage, do you have to steam the lower longeron to get the bend in it? The top one looks straight, the bottom definitely looks to have a bend. Curious mind wants to know, now I go back to lurking! Boyce ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:00 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuse construction Hi Boyce, No, you do not have to steam the lower longeron to bend it. I think the only piece I had to steam was the top piece of spruce on the wing ribs. That is a pretty good bend! Cheers, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:50 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse construction Slightly off topic, when building the fuselage, do you have to steam the lower longeron to get the bend in it? The top one looks straight, the bottom definitely looks to have a bend. Curious mind wants to know, now I go back to lurking! Boyce ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:04 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse construction I used spruce longerons and mine bent dry with on problem. Rick H On 9/25/06, RAMPEYBOY@aol.com wrote: > > Slightly off topic, when building the fuselage, do you have to steam > the lower longeron to get the bend in it? The top one looks straight, the > bottom definitely looks to have a bend. Curious mind wants to know, now I go > back to lurking! > Boyce > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:14 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse construction I am building to the long fuselage plans and moved the firewall forward a few inches after reading an old artice interviewing Mr. Pietenpol. He recommended this for non-Ford engine installations, you can find the text of the comment in the archives. Sounds more logical than extending the engine mount. Rick H On 9/25/06, Dan Loegering wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan Loegering" < > danl@odayequipment.com> > > Thank you all for the comments on construction - lots of great ideas to > think about! > > The landing gear items have started me thinking again also. I really > liked the looks of the Jenny style gear, but like the function of the Cub > style. My intent was to build the split gear, and then streamline with wood > fairings to try and bring back the look of the original Jenny style legs. I > had never thought about using streamlined tubing and paint to accomplish > this - I like that idea! > > On the fuse length issue, since I am using an A65-8 with no electrical, > and looking where the length is added to the long fuse (some up front, but > mainly behind the CG), I may take a look at a hybrid. Long fuse dimensions > up front, short fuse dimensions behind the pilot. I like the extra couple > of inches in each cockpit, but don't see the reason to move the tail further > back which would need to be offset by moving the engine > forward... Something to think about, and put a calculator to... > > Dan L > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Torch Question From: "Glenn Thomas" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" Thanks for the info on the Henrob torches. I looked that the Meco Midget, ...very similar to the Harris torch I used in the welding tent at OshKosh. I may go with that one. Can you make everything you need on a Piet with that torch? -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63740#63740 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:26 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Builders in Southern Cal Hi Dane, I live in Garden Grove, and am making some parts here for my plane. I have a Hanger at the Santa Maria Airport up where my parents live. I am actually building up there. I have a Fuselage about done and the tail feathers. Where are you? Cheers, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lars Hulgreen Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Builders in Southern Cal I recently started building a Piet and I have been unsuccessful in locating any local builders or flying Pietenpols in the neighborhood . I would love to see/compare other projects . this would be a great confidence builder . anybody? Dane Orange County, Calif. dane@scsl.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:03 AM PST US From: "Allan Macklem" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank Location How can I get in touch with Ken Perkins? Gene Rambo wrote: "Ken Perkins has worked out the exact geometry for drilling the holes in the bellcrank that eliminates the problem of one cable going slack at the extreme ends of the travel so all are tight all the time." ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank Location From: "Jack T. Textor" His email is Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net, I've sent him a note asking his phone but not response yet. Jack Textor ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allan Macklem Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank Location How can I get in touch with Ken Perkins? Gene Rambo wrote: "Ken Perkins has worked out the exact geometry for drilling the holes in the bellcrank that eliminates the problem of one cable going slack at the extreme ends of the travel so all are tight all the time." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:27 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank Location From: "Jack T. Textor" Ken's phone is 913 764 6949. He is in the process of updating his pricing. When he gets that info to me I will relay it to the group. Jack Textor www.textors.com ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T. Textor Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank Location His email is Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net, I've sent him a note asking his phone but not response yet. Jack Textor ________________________________ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:24 PM PST US From: "Allan Macklem" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bell Crank Location Thanks Jack. Allan ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:49 PM PST US From: "Catdesigns" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Torch Question --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesigns" I have a Meco and a generic Victor knockoff. I think you would have a hard time with only the Meco when it comes time to heat up the tubing to squish for the control connector tube and the tail wheel. Anytime I need to heat up a welded piece I use the bigger torch as well . It's just too much of a pain to switch hoses, so I use the bigger knockoff 99% of the time with a 000, 00 and 0 tip. It seem to work fine. I also have problems with my regulators not wanting to hold a consistent pressure with the low pressures the Meco uses, and I'm not going to buy new regulators $$$. I really haven't given it a fair chance as I gave up on it due to wanting to get the welding done at the time. I guess I should hook it back up and try it some more. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Thomas" Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 7:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Torch Question > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" > > > Thanks for the info on the Henrob torches. I looked that the Meco > Midget, ...very similar to the Harris torch I used in the welding tent at > OshKosh. I may go with that one. Can you make everything you need on a > Piet with that torch? > > -------- > Glenn Thomas > N????? > http://www.flyingwood.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63740#63740 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:47 PM PST US From: "Catdesigns" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Builders in Southern Cal I think the EAA chapter 494 in Corona is building a Pietenpol. Latest info I had was they had meetings the 3dr Saturday of the month at 2pm. Pietenpol workshop 1st and 3rd Saturdays from 10 to 2. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Lars Hulgreen To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Builders in Southern Cal I recently started building a Piet and I have been unsuccessful in locating any local builders or flying Pietenpols in the neighborhood . I would love to see/compare other projects . this would be a great confidence builder . anybody? Dane Orange County, Calif. dane@scsl.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:45 PM PST US From: "Catdesigns" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Builders in Southern Cal Dane, I forgot to say, if your ever in the Sacramento area your more then welcome to stop by and see my project (that goes for anyone out there). I can also put you in touch with three others in the general vicinity (like 1 hr drive from Sac). Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Torch Question From: "jimcarriere" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "jimcarriere" Speaking of squishing tubing, this: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=77463-000000717-JTH7&lpage=none will throw out PLENTY of heat. I used two of these (connected to MAPP gas cylinders), a BIG vise, and patience, to squish 1.5" x 3/16" (wall thicknes) 4130. It will heat steel to cherry red in very little time, and unless the workpiece is thin and you are careless, it won't burn through. The cost is reasonable too (no oxygen cylinder required). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63886#63886