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1. 05:14 AM - 2L FORD, (Bill Weir)
2. 07:29 AM - How to mount tires (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 07:38 AM - Compression Specs for C-75-12 (slowbilder@comcast.net)
4. 07:48 AM - Re: 2L FORD, (Rudi_Venter)
5. 07:57 AM - Re: Hello from sunny South Africa (Rudi_Venter)
6. 09:45 AM - Re: How to mount tires (Phillips, Jack)
7. 10:14 AM - Re: Compression Specs for C-75-12 (Richard R. Ryburn)
8. 10:16 AM - Aluminum Lift Struts (Barry Davis)
9. 10:22 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Phillips, Jack)
10. 10:36 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Barry Davis)
11. 10:42 AM - Re: How to mount tires (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
12. 10:43 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Hans Vander Voort)
13. 10:47 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
14. 10:48 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Jim Markle)
15. 10:55 AM - Re: Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88 (Steve Eldredge)
16. 11:08 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Lou Wither)
17. 11:51 AM - Fw: Wheel costs? Jim Markle- HELP (HelsperSew@aol.com)
18. 12:00 PM - Wheel costs-Jim Markle HELP (HelsperSew@aol.com)
19. 01:05 PM - Re: Wheel costs-Jim Markle HELP (Jim Markle)
20. 04:33 PM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (PIETLARS29@wmconnect.com)
21. 04:35 PM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Ed G.)
22. 05:17 PM - Re: Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88 (Jim Malley)
23. 06:37 PM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Bill Princell)
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Hi Rudy,
Which engine are you using? I know what is in s. Africa would not be
here in Canada and vice versa. Is it the engine that started at 900
something and then grew and went crossflow? Are you using a reduction
system? The callout for my own project is the current all aluminum twin
cam 2L.
Bill Weir
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| Subject: | How to mount tires |
I just got my spoked hubs/wheels back from being laced-up by Buchannan's in
California. Now I have to mount the tires on the rims. I have 21" rims.
What is the trick for getting those tires on there? Or do I have to take it to
a motorcycle shop to get these mounted?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Compression Specs for C-75-12 |
Can anyone tell me the compression specifications for a Continental C-75-12 engine?
Bob Humbert
Battle Creek, MI
N491RH
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rudi_Venter" <rudi@rudix.servepics.com>
[quote="billweir(at)lon.imag.net"]Hi Rudy,
Which engine are you using? I know what is in s. Africa would not be here in
Canada and vice versa. Is it the engine that started at 900 something and then
grew and went crossflow? Are you using a reduction system? The callout for
my own project is the current all aluminum twin cam 2L.
Bill Weir
> [b]
Hi Bill,
I am not sure about the history of the engine, I do know there used to be a 1600cc
as well. It is a basic 4 cylinder inline engine. It could well be that it
was developed from a much smaller engine over the years.
Yes, I am using a reduction drive, it is a 2.5:1 belt reduction.
Happy building,
Regards,
Rudi
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ZU-AMV ZU-AVB ZU-BDZ ZS6DX/V51VE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64494#64494
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| Subject: | Re: Hello from sunny South Africa |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rudi_Venter" <rudi@rudix.servepics.com>
Hi Chuck !
Interesting, yes ! this is the same Piet as the one at my flying field ! I actually
met Norman when he was there handing the plane over to the new owner !
Here is a photo of Norman working on it:
And Norman demonstrating the way to start it !
The Piet purring away....
Small world !
Regards,
Rudi
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ZU-AMV ZU-AVB ZU-BDZ ZS6DX/V51VE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64498#64498
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| Subject: | How to mount tires |
That's what I did with mine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to mount tires
I just got my spoked hubs/wheels back from being laced-up by Buchannan's
in California. Now I have to mount the tires on the rims. I have 21"
rims. What is the trick for getting those tires on there? Or do I have
to take it to a motorcycle shop to get these mounted?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Compression Specs for C-75-12 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard R. Ryburn" <ric@srclink.net>
The C-75 series, including the -12, compression ratio is 6.3:1
slowbilder@comcast.net wrote:
> Can anyone tell me the compression specifications for a Continental
> C-75-12 engine?
>
> Bob Humbert
> Battle Creek, MI
> N491RH
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| Subject: | Aluminum Lift Struts |
I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift
struts on their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details
for fabbing the ends? ( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right,
but thats the best my spellcheck will do)
Barry Davis
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| Subject: | Aluminum Lift Struts |
My lift struts are steel - front struts off two different J-3 Cubs. I
think Mike's are steel too.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Davis
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts
I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift
struts on their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details
for fabbing the ends? ( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right,
but thats the best my spellcheck will do)
Barry Davis
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Lift Struts |
Well they say the memory is the first to go....after the hair.
Barry
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From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts
My lift struts are steel - front struts off two different J-3 Cubs. I
think Mike's are steel too.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Davis
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:16 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts
I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift
struts on their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details
for fabbing the ends? ( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right,
but thats the best my spellcheck will do)
Barry Davis
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| Subject: | How to mount tires |
Dan,
I ran into the same thing when I tried to mount my tires, and had to take them
to a motorcycle shop. I laced my own wheels and got them to within .003 of round.
When I got them back one tire was about 1/8 out of round. The guy at the cycle
shop said he was doing me a favor charging only $40.00 which he had quoted
, said if he charged it on actual time it would have been $80.00! He said the
tires, 90/100 Challenger by Kenda, are not normally used on such narrow rims.
I have the generic 21" aluminum rims seen on allot of Piets.
Skip
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From:
Sent: 9/28/2006 10:36:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to mount tires
I just got my spoked hubs/wheels back from being laced-up by Buchannan's in California.
Now I have to mount the tires on the rims. I have 21" rims. What is
the trick for getting those tires on there? Or do I have to take it to a motorcycle
shop to get these mounted?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Lift Struts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
Barry,
one source for struts:
http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html
one option on "fabbing":
http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-13-04.htm
I went with steel struts.
Hans
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| Subject: | Aluminum Lift Struts |
Hi Barry,
They come from Carlson in Ohio, I think one of the planes he kits is called Sparrow.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
Sent: 9/28/2006 1:21:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts
I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift struts on
their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details for fabbing the ends?
( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right, but thats the best my spellcheck
will do)
Barry Davis
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Lift Struts |
http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html
Jim Markle
Pryor, OK
214.505.6101
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts
I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift
struts on their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details
for fabbing the ends? ( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right,
but thats the best my spellcheck will do)
Barry Davis
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| Subject: | Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88 |
I would use a planer and a jig fixture to accomplish the same thing.
Stevee
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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88
In a message dated 9/27/2006 11:19:39 PM Central Standard Time,
weprincell@gmail.com writes:
Anyone out there have a good method for removing plywood bonded
with T-88 to from the side and bottom of a 25yr old Pietenpol fuselage
built with Sitka spruce? A landing accident splintered the plywood and
broke the lower longeron in two places near the forward landing gear
attachment bracket.
Bill Princell -
Bill,
I've never tried it, but I hear that a Router with a flat cut bit can
remove the plywood & adhesive, and leave the longeron untouched.
Naturally, you should practice on some scrap. Use at least a 12:1 scarf
joint on the longeron - the method is called out in the AC 43.13.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Lift Struts |
I used the struts from Carlsons, if I recall they come in two sizes. I used the
larger one for the front struts and the smaller one for the rear struts.
These struts are extruded and they adapt well to bolting in aluminum key stock.
I used the key stock and high strength rod ends to the wings. I slotted the
keystock to match the fitting coming off the landing gear. Pretty simple.
The numbers that I ran show a more than adequate safety factor.
The aluminum have two advantages, weight and costs.
Lou
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| Subject: | Fwd: Wheel costs? Jim Markle- HELP |
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| Subject: | Wheel costs-Jim Markle HELP |
John,
I supplied Buchannan's with just the hubs. I had them supply everything
else, meaning rims, stainless spokes and nipples, and lacing and truing. Jim
Markle, from this list, was kind enough awhile back to post a link to the
archives where he attached pictures of his wheels and a scan of his Buchannan's
invoice. This helped me alot. I don't have access to my paperwork right now
to do it. His invoice was dated 11/04, so his postings with the pics should
be in the archives shortly after that. He had tire and tube info on there
too. Jim, if you are out there, can you put up those links again for others?
My total owed to Buchannan's was about $780.00 as I recall. I bought the
tubes and tires from Tires Unlimited _www.tiresunlimited.com_
(http://www.tiresunlimited.com/) . I bought exactly the same ones Jim Markle did.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel costs-Jim Markle HELP |
Yes, I'm out here somewhere..... :-)
The scanned docs are under my name in the File Library section of
www.mykitplane.com
Here you go....
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList.cfm?Menu=FileLibrary
JM
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel costs-Jim Markle HELP
John,
I supplied Buchannan's with just the hubs. I had them supply
everything else, meaning rims, stainless spokes and nipples, and lacing
and truing. Jim Markle, from this list, was kind enough awhile back to
post a link to the archives where he attached pictures of his wheels and
a scan of his Buchannan's invoice. This helped me alot. I don't have
access to my paperwork right now to do it. His invoice was dated 11/04,
so his postings with the pics should be in the archives shortly after
that. He had tire and tube info on there too. Jim, if you are out
there, can you put up those links again for others?
My total owed to Buchannan's was about $780.00 as I recall. I bought
the tubes and tires from Tires Unlimited www.tiresunlimited.com. I
bought exactly the same ones Jim Markle did.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Lift Struts |
Hi,
I too have installed the Carlson/Sky-Tek aluminum struts.
I requested that Carlson send me a copy of the strut end detail as it was
used on their 'Sparrow' design. It uses square aluminum bar stock, bored and
slotted to attach to the end fittings.
They were most helpful in providing the requested information.
Luo Larsen ( in slightly cooler central Florida)
P.S. Just finished fabricating the 'nose cone" for my A powered Piet.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Lift Struts |
Hi Lou...I've looked seriously at the Carlson struts but couldn't
imagine if the larger size stuts would "look" too big on the Piet. Do
they look okay as compared to the size the plans call for. I had thought
about running the smaller size on all four. Does anyone out there know
what size Larry Williams used on his?...Thanks Ed G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lou Wither<mailto:nav8799h@sbcglobal.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts
I used the struts from Carlsons, if I recall they come in two sizes.
I used the larger one for the front struts and the smaller one for the
rear struts.
These struts are extruded and they adapt well to bolting in aluminum
key stock. I used the key stock and high strength rod ends to the
wings. I slotted the keystock to match the fitting coming off the
landing gear. Pretty simple. The numbers that I ran show a more than
adequate safety factor.
The aluminum have two advantages, weight and costs.
Lou
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>
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| Subject: | Re: Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88 |
Chuck's right. I used a router to remove the entire plywood side. Once
you have the depth set it's quite easy. Scarfing in a new longeron was
more of a chore.
Jim Malley
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88
In a message dated 9/27/2006 11:19:39 PM Central Standard Time,
weprincell@gmail.com writes:
Anyone out there have a good method for removing plywood bonded with
T-88 to from the side and bottom of a 25yr old Pietenpol fuselage built
with Sitka spruce? A landing accident splintered the plywood and broke
the lower longeron in two places near the forward landing gear
attachment bracket.
Bill Princell -
Bill,
I've never tried it, but I hear that a Router with a flat cut bit can
remove the plywood & adhesive, and leave the longeron untouched.
Naturally, you should practice on some scrap. Use at least a 12:1 scarf
joint on the longeron - the method is called out in the AC 43.13.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Lift Struts |
Hi Barry:
Check out this link to DJ Vega's website.
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-13-04.htm The 3-13-04
entry has the information your looking for.
Bill Princell -
On 9/28/06, Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift
> struts on their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details for
> fabbing the ends? ( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right, but thats
> the best my spellcheck will do)
>
> Barry Davis
>
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