---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/28/06: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:14 AM - 2L FORD, (Bill Weir) 2. 07:29 AM - How to mount tires (HelsperSew@aol.com) 3. 07:38 AM - Compression Specs for C-75-12 (slowbilder@comcast.net) 4. 07:48 AM - Re: 2L FORD, (Rudi_Venter) 5. 07:57 AM - Re: Hello from sunny South Africa (Rudi_Venter) 6. 09:45 AM - Re: How to mount tires (Phillips, Jack) 7. 10:14 AM - Re: Compression Specs for C-75-12 (Richard R. Ryburn) 8. 10:16 AM - Aluminum Lift Struts (Barry Davis) 9. 10:22 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Phillips, Jack) 10. 10:36 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Barry Davis) 11. 10:42 AM - Re: How to mount tires (Skip-Cinda Gadd) 12. 10:43 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Hans Vander Voort) 13. 10:47 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Skip-Cinda Gadd) 14. 10:48 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Jim Markle) 15. 10:55 AM - Re: Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88 (Steve Eldredge) 16. 11:08 AM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Lou Wither) 17. 11:51 AM - Fw: Wheel costs? Jim Markle- HELP (HelsperSew@aol.com) 18. 12:00 PM - Wheel costs-Jim Markle HELP (HelsperSew@aol.com) 19. 01:05 PM - Re: Wheel costs-Jim Markle HELP (Jim Markle) 20. 04:33 PM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (PIETLARS29@wmconnect.com) 21. 04:35 PM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Ed G.) 22. 05:17 PM - Re: Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88 (Jim Malley) 23. 06:37 PM - Re: Aluminum Lift Struts (Bill Princell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:58 AM PST US From: "Bill Weir" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2L FORD, Hi Rudy, Which engine are you using? I know what is in s. Africa would not be here in Canada and vice versa. Is it the engine that started at 900 something and then grew and went crossflow? Are you using a reduction system? The callout for my own project is the current all aluminum twin cam 2L. Bill Weir ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:25 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to mount tires I just got my spoked hubs/wheels back from being laced-up by Buchannan's in California. Now I have to mount the tires on the rims. I have 21" rims. What is the trick for getting those tires on there? Or do I have to take it to a motorcycle shop to get these mounted? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:41 AM PST US From: slowbilder@comcast.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Compression Specs for C-75-12 Can anyone tell me the compression specifications for a Continental C-75-12 engine? Bob Humbert Battle Creek, MI N491RH

Can anyone tell me the compression specifications for a Continental C-75-12 engine?

Bob Humbert

Battle Creek, MI

N491RH

________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2L FORD, From: "Rudi_Venter" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rudi_Venter" [quote="billweir(at)lon.imag.net"]Hi Rudy, Which engine are you using? I know what is in s. Africa would not be here in Canada and vice versa. Is it the engine that started at 900 something and then grew and went crossflow? Are you using a reduction system? The callout for my own project is the current all aluminum twin cam 2L. Bill Weir > [b] Hi Bill, I am not sure about the history of the engine, I do know there used to be a 1600cc as well. It is a basic 4 cylinder inline engine. It could well be that it was developed from a much smaller engine over the years. Yes, I am using a reduction drive, it is a 2.5:1 belt reduction. Happy building, Regards, Rudi -------- ZU-AMV ZU-AVB ZU-BDZ ZS6DX/V51VE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64494#64494 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hello from sunny South Africa From: "Rudi_Venter" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Rudi_Venter" Hi Chuck ! Interesting, yes ! this is the same Piet as the one at my flying field ! I actually met Norman when he was there handing the plane over to the new owner ! Here is a photo of Norman working on it: And Norman demonstrating the way to start it ! The Piet purring away.... Small world ! Regards, Rudi -------- ZU-AMV ZU-AVB ZU-BDZ ZS6DX/V51VE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64498#64498 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:47 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How to mount tires From: "Phillips, Jack" That's what I did with mine. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to mount tires I just got my spoked hubs/wheels back from being laced-up by Buchannan's in California. Now I have to mount the tires on the rims. I have 21" rims. What is the trick for getting those tires on there? Or do I have to take it to a motorcycle shop to get these mounted? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:40 AM PST US From: "Richard R. Ryburn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Compression Specs for C-75-12 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard R. Ryburn" The C-75 series, including the -12, compression ratio is 6.3:1 slowbilder@comcast.net wrote: > Can anyone tell me the compression specifications for a Continental > C-75-12 engine? > > Bob Humbert > Battle Creek, MI > N491RH > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:23 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift struts on their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details for fabbing the ends? ( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right, but thats the best my spellcheck will do) Barry Davis ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts From: "Phillips, Jack" My lift struts are steel - front struts off two different J-3 Cubs. I think Mike's are steel too. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift struts on their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details for fabbing the ends? ( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right, but thats the best my spellcheck will do) Barry Davis _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:28 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts Well they say the memory is the first to go....after the hair. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts My lift struts are steel - front struts off two different J-3 Cubs. I think Mike's are steel too. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:16 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift struts on their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details for fabbing the ends? ( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right, but thats the best my spellcheck will do) Barry Davis _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:34 AM PST US From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How to mount tires Dan, I ran into the same thing when I tried to mount my tires, and had to take them to a motorcycle shop. I laced my own wheels and got them to within .003 of round. When I got them back one tire was about 1/8 out of round. The guy at the cycle shop said he was doing me a favor charging only $40.00 which he had quoted , said if he charged it on actual time it would have been $80.00! He said the tires, 90/100 Challenger by Kenda, are not normally used on such narrow rims. I have the generic 21" aluminum rims seen on allot of Piets. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 9/28/2006 10:36:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to mount tires I just got my spoked hubs/wheels back from being laced-up by Buchannan's in California. Now I have to mount the tires on the rims. I have 21" rims. What is the trick for getting those tires on there? Or do I have to take it to a motorcycle shop to get these mounted? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts From: Hans Vander Voort --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hans Vander Voort Barry, one source for struts: http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html one option on "fabbing": http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-13-04.htm I went with steel struts. Hans ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:13 AM PST US From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts Hi Barry, They come from Carlson in Ohio, I think one of the planes he kits is called Sparrow. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis Sent: 9/28/2006 1:21:06 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift struts on their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details for fabbing the ends? ( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right, but thats the best my spellcheck will do) Barry Davis ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:08 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html Jim Markle Pryor, OK 214.505.6101 ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift struts on their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details for fabbing the ends? ( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right, but thats the best my spellcheck will do) Barry Davis ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88 From: "Steve Eldredge" I would use a planer and a jig fixture to accomplish the same thing. Stevee ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88 In a message dated 9/27/2006 11:19:39 PM Central Standard Time, weprincell@gmail.com writes: Anyone out there have a good method for removing plywood bonded with T-88 to from the side and bottom of a 25yr old Pietenpol fuselage built with Sitka spruce? A landing accident splintered the plywood and broke the lower longeron in two places near the forward landing gear attachment bracket. Bill Princell - Bill, I've never tried it, but I hear that a Router with a flat cut bit can remove the plywood & adhesive, and leave the longeron untouched. Naturally, you should practice on some scrap. Use at least a 12:1 scarf joint on the longeron - the method is called out in the AC 43.13. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:36 AM PST US From: Lou Wither Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts I used the struts from Carlsons, if I recall they come in two sizes. I used the larger one for the front struts and the smaller one for the rear struts. These struts are extruded and they adapt well to bolting in aluminum key stock. I used the key stock and high strength rod ends to the wings. I slotted the keystock to match the fitting coming off the landing gear. Pretty simple. The numbers that I ran show a more than adequate safety factor. The aluminum have two advantages, weight and costs. Lou ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:57 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Wheel costs? Jim Markle- HELP -----------------------------1159465894-- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:04 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel costs-Jim Markle HELP John, I supplied Buchannan's with just the hubs. I had them supply everything else, meaning rims, stainless spokes and nipples, and lacing and truing. Jim Markle, from this list, was kind enough awhile back to post a link to the archives where he attached pictures of his wheels and a scan of his Buchannan's invoice. This helped me alot. I don't have access to my paperwork right now to do it. His invoice was dated 11/04, so his postings with the pics should be in the archives shortly after that. He had tire and tube info on there too. Jim, if you are out there, can you put up those links again for others? My total owed to Buchannan's was about $780.00 as I recall. I bought the tubes and tires from Tires Unlimited _www.tiresunlimited.com_ (http://www.tiresunlimited.com/) . I bought exactly the same ones Jim Markle did. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:50 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel costs-Jim Markle HELP Yes, I'm out here somewhere..... :-) The scanned docs are under my name in the File Library section of www.mykitplane.com Here you go.... http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList.cfm?Menu=FileLibrary JM ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel costs-Jim Markle HELP John, I supplied Buchannan's with just the hubs. I had them supply everything else, meaning rims, stainless spokes and nipples, and lacing and truing. Jim Markle, from this list, was kind enough awhile back to post a link to the archives where he attached pictures of his wheels and a scan of his Buchannan's invoice. This helped me alot. I don't have access to my paperwork right now to do it. His invoice was dated 11/04, so his postings with the pics should be in the archives shortly after that. He had tire and tube info on there too. Jim, if you are out there, can you put up those links again for others? My total owed to Buchannan's was about $780.00 as I recall. I bought the tubes and tires from Tires Unlimited www.tiresunlimited.com. I bought exactly the same ones Jim Markle did. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:07 PM PST US From: PIETLARS29@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts Hi, I too have installed the Carlson/Sky-Tek aluminum struts. I requested that Carlson send me a copy of the strut end detail as it was used on their 'Sparrow' design. It uses square aluminum bar stock, bored and slotted to attach to the end fittings. They were most helpful in providing the requested information. Luo Larsen ( in slightly cooler central Florida) P.S. Just finished fabricating the 'nose cone" for my A powered Piet. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:56 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts Hi Lou...I've looked seriously at the Carlson struts but couldn't imagine if the larger size stuts would "look" too big on the Piet. Do they look okay as compared to the size the plans call for. I had thought about running the smaller size on all four. Does anyone out there know what size Larry Williams used on his?...Thanks Ed G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lou Wither To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts I used the struts from Carlsons, if I recall they come in two sizes. I used the larger one for the front struts and the smaller one for the rear struts. These struts are extruded and they adapt well to bolting in aluminum key stock. I used the key stock and high strength rod ends to the wings. I slotted the keystock to match the fitting coming off the landing gear. Pretty simple. The numbers that I ran show a more than adequate safety factor. The aluminum have two advantages, weight and costs. Lou http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:58 PM PST US From: "Jim Malley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88 Chuck's right. I used a router to remove the entire plywood side. Once you have the depth set it's quite easy. Scarfing in a new longeron was more of a chore. Jim Malley ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Repairing Wood Fuselage Built with T-88 In a message dated 9/27/2006 11:19:39 PM Central Standard Time, weprincell@gmail.com writes: Anyone out there have a good method for removing plywood bonded with T-88 to from the side and bottom of a 25yr old Pietenpol fuselage built with Sitka spruce? A landing accident splintered the plywood and broke the lower longeron in two places near the forward landing gear attachment bracket. Bill Princell - Bill, I've never tried it, but I hear that a Router with a flat cut bit can remove the plywood & adhesive, and leave the longeron untouched. Naturally, you should practice on some scrap. Use at least a 12:1 scarf joint on the longeron - the method is called out in the AC 43.13. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:15 PM PST US From: "Bill Princell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Lift Struts Hi Barry: Check out this link to DJ Vega's website. http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-13-04.htm The 3-13-04 entry has the information your looking for. Bill Princell - On 9/28/06, Barry Davis wrote: > > I think I remember that Jack P and maybe Michael C had aluminum lift > struts on their Piets. Does anyone have a source for these? Or details for > fabbing the ends? ( I don't think that "fabbing" is spelled right, but thats > the best my spellcheck will do) > > Barry Davis > > * > > > * > >