Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 10/02/06


Total Messages Posted: 20



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:47 AM - Re: Bungee chafing (Phillips, Jack)
     2. 11:09 AM - Re: Bungee chafing (HelsperSew@aol.com)
     3. 12:45 PM - Poplar Grove (shad bell)
     4. 01:44 PM - Chicago area (amsafetyc@aol.com)
     5. 01:44 PM - Chicago area (amsafetyc@aol.com)
     6. 02:46 PM - Re: Poplar Grove (HelsperSew@aol.com)
     7. 03:29 PM - Corvair cowlings (KMHeide)
     8. 03:43 PM - Re: Corvair cowlings (Greg Bacon)
     9. 03:46 PM - Re: Poplar Grove (John Hofmann)
    10. 04:15 PM - Spruce and Model A engines (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
    11. 04:15 PM - Re: Corvair cowlings (del magsam)
    12. 04:52 PM - Re: Poplar Grove (shad bell)
    13. 05:03 PM - One more pic (shad bell)
    14. 05:11 PM - goggles (Dick Navratil)
    15. 05:19 PM - Re: Spruce and Model A engines (Dave and Connie)
    16. 05:30 PM - Re: Bungee chafing (gcardinal)
    17. 05:36 PM - Re: Bungee chafing (gcardinal)
    18. 05:46 PM - Re: goggles (gcardinal)
    19. 06:25 PM - Re: Spruce and Model A engines (Amsafetyc@aol.com)
    20. 06:30 PM - Re: goggles (Dick Navratil)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:47:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Bungee chafing
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
    I have the same problem on mine, Greg. I just replace the bungees each year during the annual Condition Inspection. You DO have "disaster preventers" on your axle, don't you? These are short loops of cable around the axle and V-blocks that will prevent the axle from going more than about 6" off the V-blocks if the bungees break. Let me know if that is not clear and I'll send you a picture of mine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bungee chafing Dale and I looking for ideas / suggestions to prevent bungee chafing on NX18235. We have the Jenny style gear and the 1/2" bungees have been chafing on the bolt heads and nuts. I was out flying today and the plane felt somewhat "mushy" on landing. Looked at the left bungee and saw one wrap cut about 3/4 of the way through. Taxied gently back to the hangar. We are considering using 3/8" bungees and using two independent wraps in case one breaks. Does anyone have an idea to keep the bolt heads / nuts from gnawing on the bungees? Greg Cardinal Minneapolis _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N


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    Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US
    From: HelsperSew@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Bungee chafing
    Greg, I guess that is why Bernie showed rivets in the F&G Manual instead of bolts down there by the bungees. I looked into getting some large rivets but I couldn't set them with the rivet gun I had. I guess I'll use bolts like everybody else. Larry Williams glued an additional oversize piece of ash on the bottom of the bottom ash block to deflect the bungees outward so they would be "away" from the bolts. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL.


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    Time: 12:45:32 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Poplar Grove
    Hello Dan, This is Shad Bell, my father and I were up at Poplar Grove during the Brodhead fly in this year, We did not make Brodhead because of engine problems. One gentleman stoped up and was building a piet and offered us help and Dad gave him a mold for a nose bowl, just wondering if that was you. (I am TERRIBLE at remembering names) If you see Steve Thomas tell him thanks again for letting us use the trailer to tow our piet back to Ohio. You guys in Poplar Grove have one of the neatest airports I have ever seen. Hope to stop in again next year on our way to Brodhead. Shad ---------------------------------


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    Time: 01:44:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Chicago area
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    Hi all, I am traveling to Hammond Indiana just outside Chicago, I was looking to visit another piet builder either complete project or one underway for pics and information as I continue my pre build research. Anyone in the area interested in showing or answering questions, please advise. John ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.


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    Time: 01:44:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Chicago area
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    Hi all, I am traveling to Hammond Indiana just outside Chicago, I was looking to visit another piet builder either complete project or one underway for pics and information as I continue my pre build research. Anyone in the area interested in showing or answering questions, please advise. John ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.


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    Time: 02:46:40 PM PST US
    From: HelsperSew@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Poplar Grove
    Shad, No that was not me, and I was unaware that there was another Piet builder here at Poplar Grove. Rack your brain and see if you can remember who it is. Next time I see Steve Thomas I will surely say hi him for you. He is indeed a great guy. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL.


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    Time: 03:29:20 PM PST US
    From: KMHeide <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Corvair cowlings
    Members of the List: If you are building a Pietenpol with a Corvair engine and are needing a cowling please contact me. I have (with the assistance of Dan in the Twin Cities) re-created the original nose bowl and cowling of the last original Pietenpol. It is professionally made using a very tough fiberglass. Nice gel coat covering and ready for you to final trim and fit to your liking.It is a two piece set-up. If you are interested please contact me so I can complete a run.Very cost effective and saves us all time in building. Ken Heide Fargo, ND ---------------------------------


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    Time: 03:43:46 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Bacon" <gbacon67@hughes.net>
    Subject: Re: Corvair cowlings
    Ken, Please send me your phone number and/or email address. Thanks, Greg Bacon Prairie Home, Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide To: Pietenpol Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowlings Members of the List: If you are building a Pietenpol with a Corvair engine and are needing a cowling please contact me. I have (with the assistance of Dan in the Twin Cities) re-created the original nose bowl and cowling of the last original Pietenpol. It is professionally made using a very tough fiberglass. Nice gel coat covering and ready for you to final trim and fit to your liking.It is a two piece set-up. If you are interested please contact me so I can complete a run.Very cost effective and saves us all time in building. Ken Heide Fargo, ND


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    Time: 03:46:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Poplar Grove
    From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> Brad Stottlemyer is a mechanic at Poplar Grove. He is a good friend of mine, blond, properly sized in height (about 57), 35 and building a Piet. Lives in Lake Geneva and works at Poplar Grove. I wonder if that is who you are thinking about. FYI he does not have a computer. -john- > Shad, > > No that was not me, and I was unaware that there was another Piet builder here > at Poplar Grove. Rack your brain and see if you can remember who it is. Next > time I see Steve Thomas I will surely say hi him for you. He is indeed a > great guy. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > >


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    Time: 04:15:09 PM PST US
    From: Pietsrneat@aol.com
    Subject: Spruce and Model A engines
    Hello Everyone, Years ago I started a Piet, but put construction on the back burner as I got wrapped up with business and raising kids. Now I have time to get back at it. Does anyone know of a source for spruce besides Wicks or Aircraft Spruce? A while back, I heard of guys buying from a lumber yard or saw mill in the northern US (I'm pretty sure it was the US). Also, I need a line on a Model A motor, flight ready if possible. Thanks in advance for your help. Nice to be back. Ron Eisaman P.O.Box 60 Linden, PA 17744-0060 843-333-5185


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    Time: 04:15:55 PM PST US
    From: del magsam <farmerdel@rocketmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Corvair cowlings
    That one was originally intended to run with a blower fan....right? would it work without the blower fan? how much will it be? Del KMHeide <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote: Members of the List: If you are building a Pietenpol with a Corvair engine and are needing a cowling please contact me. I have (with the assistance of Dan in the Twin Cities) re-created the original nose bowl and cowling of the last original Pietenpol. It is professionally made using a very tough fiberglass. Nice gel coat covering and ready for you to final trim and fit to your liking.It is a two piece set-up. If you are interested please contact me so I can complete a run.Very cost effective and saves us all time in building. Ken Heide Fargo, ND Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" ---------------------------------


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    Time: 04:52:18 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Poplar Grove


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    Time: 05:03:37 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: One more pic


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    Time: 05:11:59 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: goggles
    I have been flying with goggles on my forehead, not actually over my eyes. I have always thought of them as being ready for emergency, but lately I'm wondering about leaving them behind. I wear glasses and my windshield is big enough to block wind. Does anybody have a safety opinion on this? Today was probably the best flying day I've had all year. Great day to fly and watch the fall colors. Nice to fly over the lakes at 100ft. Coming to an end soon around MN & WI. Dick N.


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    Time: 05:19:16 PM PST US
    From: Dave and Connie <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Spruce and Model A engines
    You may be thinking of Western Aircraft in Calgary, Canada. I bought a spruce kit from them a few years ago. It is still sitting in my hangar in Perry, NY and is for sale. I think that there was also a lumber yard in Oshkosh that sold spruce. Dave At 07:14 PM 10/2/2006, Pietsrneat@aol.com wrote: >Hello Everyone, > Years ago I started a Piet, but put construction on the back burner as > I got wrapped up with business and raising kids. Now I have time to get > back at it. > Does anyone know of a source for spruce besides Wicks or Aircraft > Spruce? A while back, I heard of guys buying from a lumber yard or saw > mill in the northern US (I'm pretty sure it was the US). > Also, I need a line on a Model A motor, flight ready if possible. > Thanks in advance for your help. Nice to be back. >Ron Eisaman >P.O.Box 60 >Linden, PA 17744-0060 >843-333-5185 >


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    Time: 05:30:01 PM PST US
    From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Bungee chafing
    Hi Jack, Yes, I do have safety cables installed. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 6:46 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bungee chafing I have the same problem on mine, Greg. I just replace the bungees each year during the annual Condition Inspection. You DO have "disaster preventers" on your axle, don't you? These are short loops of cable around the axle and V-blocks that will prevent the axle from going more than about 6" off the V-blocks if the bungees break. Let me know if that is not clear and I'll send you a picture of mine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:04 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bungee chafing Dale and I looking for ideas / suggestions to prevent bungee chafing on NX18235. We have the Jenny style gear and the 1/2" bungees have been chafing on the bolt heads and nuts. I was out flying today and the plane felt somewhat "mushy" on landing. Looked at the left bungee and saw one wrap cut about 3/4 of the way through. Taxied gently back to the hangar. We are considering using 3/8" bungees and using two independent wraps in case one breaks. Does anyone have an idea to keep the bolt heads / nuts from gnawing on the bungees? Greg Cardinal Minneapolis _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N


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    Time: 05:36:03 PM PST US
    From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Bungee chafing
    I think the answer is to find an alternate way of fastening to eliminate exposed threads and nuts and then covering them with thick leather. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bungee chafing Greg, I guess that is why Bernie showed rivets in the F&G Manual instead of bolts down there by the bungees. I looked into getting some large rivets but I couldn't set them with the rivet gun I had. I guess I'll use bolts like everybody else. Larry Williams glued an additional oversize piece of ash on the bottom of the bottom ash block to deflect the bungees outward so they would be "away" from the bolts. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL.


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    Time: 05:46:24 PM PST US
    From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: goggles
    Dick, Do your glasses have a safety strap to keep them on your head? I would be hesitant to fly without my goggles fastened securely to my helmet. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: goggles I have been flying with goggles on my forehead, not actually over my eyes. I have always thought of them as being ready for emergency, but lately I'm wondering about leaving them behind. I wear glasses and my windshield is big enough to block wind. Does anybody have a safety opinion on this? Today was probably the best flying day I've had all year. Great day to fly and watch the fall colors. Nice to fly over the lakes at 100ft. Coming to an end soon around MN & WI. Dick N.


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    Time: 06:25:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Spruce and Model A engines
    From: Amsafetyc@aol.com
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Amsafetyc@aol.com I am interested in your wood kit, let's discuss! John recine Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Dave and Connie <dmatt@frontiernet.net> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com, pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce and Model A engines You may be thinking of Western Aircraft in Calgary, Canada. I bought a spruce kit from them a few years ago. It is still sitting in my hangar in Perry, NY and is for sale. I think that there was also a lumber yard in Oshkosh that sold spruce. Dave At 07:14 PM 10/2/2006, Pietsrneat@aol.com wrote: Hello Everyone, Years ago I started a Piet, but put construction on the back burner as I got wrapped up with business and raising kids. Now I have time to get back at it. Does anyone know of a source for spruce besides Wicks or Aircraft Spruce? A while back, I heard of guys buying from a lumber yard or saw mill in the northern US (I'm pretty sure it was the US). Also, I need a line on a Model A motor, flight ready if possible. Thanks in advance for your help. Nice to be back. Ron Eisaman P.O.Box 60 Linden, PA 17744-0060 843-333-5185


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    Time: 06:30:22 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: goggles
    Greg I do wear the helmet and glasses tuck in there pretty securely. Thinkinking more about it, it's probably a good idea just in case of windshield damage. On your bungee question, I re counted my wraps of true 1/2", it's 3 wraps, then 2 more. Gives me just the right amount of spring. If you want to try 3/8" I have a bunch you can have. I got up to 9 wraps of 3/8" and was still too soft. The bundle got to look like a mess. Dick From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: goggles Dick, Do your glasses have a safety strap to keep them on your head? I would be hesitant to fly without my goggles fastened securely to my helmet. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: goggles I have been flying with goggles on my forehead, not actually over my eyes. I have always thought of them as being ready for emergency, but lately I'm wondering about leaving them behind. I wear glasses and my windshield is big enough to block wind. Does anybody have a safety opinion on this? Today was probably the best flying day I've had all year. Great day to fly and watch the fall colors. Nice to fly over the lakes at 100ft. Coming to an end soon around MN & WI. Dick N. ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List




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