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1. 05:19 AM - Re: Corvair cowlings (Gene Beenenga)
2. 08:10 AM - Re: Chicago area (amsafetyc@aol.com)
3. 11:08 AM - Re: goggles (Shawn Wolk)
4. 03:08 PM - I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (Scott Schreiber)
5. 04:04 PM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (walt evans)
6. 04:18 PM - Re: Corvair cowlings (Alan Lyscars)
7. 04:27 PM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
8. 05:18 PM - Re: Spruce and Model A engines (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
9. 05:45 PM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (Scott Schreiber)
10. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: goggles (Dick Navratil)
11. 08:36 PM - Cowling photos and information (KMHeide)
12. 08:55 PM - Re:Goggles (Shawn Wolk)
13. 09:48 PM - Oh and also (Scott Schreiber)
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowlings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd@earthlink.net>
Ken, I am interested, please give me a cost and some idea as to shipping cost.
I would like to call and discuss it with you. Gene
-----Original Message-----
>From: KMHeide <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 2, 2006 5:28 PM
>To: Pietenpol <Pietenpol-List@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowlings
>
>Members of the List:
>
> If you are building a Pietenpol with a Corvair engine and are needing a cowling
please contact me. I have (with the assistance of Dan in the Twin Cities)
re-created the original nose bowl and cowling of the last original Pietenpol.
It is professionally made using a very tough fiberglass. Nice gel coat covering
and ready for you to final trim and fit to your liking.It is a two piece set-up.
If you are interested please contact me so I can complete a run.Very cost
effective and saves us all time in building.
>
> Ken Heide
> Fargo, ND
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Chicago area |
Chris,
I have tonight and tomorrow night available, I fly out Friday early am. What's
good for you? Please provide best times to visit ad contact information, my cell
phone is 215-208-8309
John
-----Original Message-----
From: cccstandard@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chicago area
John,
I am based at Rensselaer In. (RZL) about 50 miles south of Hammond 1 mile off of
I65
If you are interested, I am willing to show and tell.
Chris Cummins
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I use to fly with goggles in the winter. Stopped because I found they
limited my peripheral vision. Especially during landing. The pilots
cockpit has plenty of windshield. So I have found that it isn't too
windy on the eyes without it. Flying in the colder weather has brought
on a few challenges. My Piet has a J-3 style cowling. The biggest
challenge is getting the oil temp. up to an acceptable range in cold
weather operations. I have baffled up the front of the cylinders,
actually stuck insulating foam (foil backed stuff) over the entire
engine case, wrapped the intake tubes and oil sump (A-65). I leave a 6"
sq. area in the back of the oil tank uninsulated so that the preheat
system can warm the oil tank.
I wear glasses, and find that the headset does a very good job of
retaining them. Even if I inadvertintly stick my head out. In the dead
of winter...I assure you my head never goes outside of the area
protected by the windscreen. To keep my head warm. I have used a
CarHardt style thinsulate head covering. I cut holes for the headset to
fit in and sewed in piping. The headset kinda snaps into the cap around
the region that the gel cells are retained to the headset. I have no
problem keeping warm. There are plenty of options nowadays for warm
suits. I use a MAC-10 Mustang suit that I found on Ebay for cheap.(warm,
fire protection, & flotation) A simple solution is the common snowmobile
suit. (although they offer no fire protection). You can get some with
flotation, a good safety item.
Anyways with the small Continental. I can fly the plane with the oil
temps. in the 150F range to about -14C or about 6F. The Pietenpol makes
a great skiplane, and if the water freezes where you are I recommend
giving it a try. The smooth air, exceptional performance, and the very
cool places now open to you make living with the elements bearable.
Shawn Wolk
Winnipeg, MB
CJL5-Winnipeg-Lyncrest
C-FRAZ (1933) Canada's oldest flying Pietenpol
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| Subject: | I'm going to build one, need some pointers please |
I have decided to just go ahead and do it. After allot of thought on the
matter this plane came up as the ideal solution to my needs and
preferences. I don't have any reservations over the building process as
a whole. I have been building and flying R/C for around 25 years and
most of it is giant scale being 33~ 40% sized planes so the construction
methods and materials are very familiar. I also settled on this plane
because of it's suitability for the Subaru engines which I am also very
familiar with since I am somewhat of an authority on the Subaru BRAT and
it's EA81 engine. www.SubaruBrat.com is my creation and a hobby of mine.
I love that engine, It has to be one of the most durable designes ever.
I have seen it run dry of water, blow it's oil out of a cracked pan and
make it off the trail, endure 12Psi of boost on stock internals and many
other amazing feats so I trust my life to it.
My real question is a starting point. I am more interested in the GN-1
interpretation from a practical sense but I can't seem to find a ready
source for plan sets as I can with the basic version. If anyone can help
me here I am all ears. Also I don't see a prepared kit or even a
spruce/ply etc. kit from aircraft spruce or anyone else. It isn't that
it is that hard to make a materials list, but if a prepared package was
available it would make that part easier. Can anyone let me know if
there is such a source or kit available? I am also weighing the
advantage of starting from scratch Vs buying a partial or full
completion. I like the idea of building but the cost comparison between
a list of raw materials and a completed one is compelling. Lastly, I am
about an hour west of D.C. and about 20 min west of Manassas VA, are
there any Pietenpol owners/ builders in the area?
-Thanks much, Scott Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please |
Scott,
Good for you. If you are into unique planes,,,this is for you. It
always gets attention wherever you go
Start by going here
http://www.frappr.com/pietenpol
it will list all the Piet builders,owners,dreamers in the USA that have
registered with Frappr.com.
don't forget to add yourself
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers
please
I have decided to just go ahead and do it. After allot of thought on
the matter this plane came up as the ideal solution to my needs and
preferences. I don't have any reservations over the building process as
a whole. I have been building and flying R/C for around 25 years and
most of it is giant scale being 33~ 40% sized planes so the construction
methods and materials are very familiar. I also settled on this plane
because of it's suitability for the Subaru engines which I am also very
familiar with since I am somewhat of an authority on the Subaru BRAT and
it's EA81 engine. www.SubaruBrat.com is my creation and a hobby of mine.
I love that engine, It has to be one of the most durable designes ever.
I have seen it run dry of water, blow it's oil out of a cracked pan and
make it off the trail, endure 12Psi of boost on stock internals and many
other amazing feats so I trust my life to it.
My real question is a starting point. I am more interested in the GN-1
interpretation from a practical sense but I can't seem to find a ready
source for plan sets as I can with the basic version. If anyone can help
me here I am all ears. Also I don't see a prepared kit or even a
spruce/ply etc. kit from aircraft spruce or anyone else. It isn't that
it is that hard to make a materials list, but if a prepared package was
available it would make that part easier. Can anyone let me know if
there is such a source or kit available? I am also weighing the
advantage of starting from scratch Vs buying a partial or full
completion. I like the idea of building but the cost comparison between
a list of raw materials and a completed one is compelling. Lastly, I am
about an hour west of D.C. and about 20 min west of Manassas VA, are
there any Pietenpol owners/ builders in the area?
-Thanks much, Scott Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowlings |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alan Lyscars" <alyscars@maine.rr.com>
Ken,
I'm building a GN-1 with a WW 110hp conversion. Would this cowl be
appropriate for me? If so, please send back details of purchase.
Warm regards,
Alan Lyscars
Portland, Maine
> >Members of the List:
> >
> > If you are building a Pietenpol with a Corvair engine and are needing a
cowling please contact me. I have (with the assistance of Dan in the Twin
Cities) re-created the original nose bowl and cowling of the last original
Pietenpol. It is professionally made using a very tough fiberglass. Nice gel
coat covering and ready for you to final trim and fit to your liking.It is a
two piece set-up. If you are interested please contact me so I can complete
a run.Very cost effective and saves us all time in building.
> >
> > Ken Heide
> > Fargo, ND
> >
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please |
Scott:
for GN 1 plans http://www.gregagn-1.com/
and as close as you'll get to a pile of pre-cut wood:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=02-04700
its not everything, but it is most of the spruce. you will need to add
your ply, hardware and everything else to that.
michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
My real question is a starting point. I am more interested in the GN-1
interpretation from a practical sense but I can't seem to find a ready
source for plan sets as I can with the basic version. If anyone can help
me here I am all ears. Also I don't see a prepared kit or even a
spruce/ply etc. kit from aircraft spruce or anyone else.
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| Subject: | Re: Spruce and Model A engines |
Well, I found my spruce. Thanks, Rob Busch and Dave. Now I need to find a
Model A motor, preferably modified to fly. Can anyone help?
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please |
I saw that website but the links to the contact and order pages don't
work. Does anyone know a phone number for them?
Scott Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: MICHAEL SILVIUS
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some
pointers please
Scott:
for GN 1 plans http://www.gregagn-1.com/
and as close as you'll get to a pile of pre-cut wood:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=02-04700
its not everything, but it is most of the spruce. you will need to add
your ply, hardware and everything else to that.
michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
My real question is a starting point. I am more interested in the
GN-1 interpretation from a practical sense but I can't seem to find a
ready source for plan sets as I can with the basic version. If anyone
can help me here I am all ears. Also I don't see a prepared kit or even
a spruce/ply etc. kit from aircraft spruce or anyone else.
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Shawn
What kind of skiis do you use? Also, what type of gear is it mounted to?
Do the flying characteristics change much with skiis?
Down here in tropical Minnesota we see some snow once in a while.
Thanks
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn Wolk
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: goggles
I use to fly with goggles in the winter. Stopped because I found
they limited my peripheral vision. Especially during landing. The pilots
cockpit has plenty of windshield. So I have found that it isn't too
windy on the eyes without it. Flying in the colder weather has brought
on a few challenges. My Piet has a J-3 style cowling. The biggest
challenge is getting the oil temp. up to an acceptable range in cold
weather operations. I have baffled up the front of the cylinders,
actually stuck insulating foam (foil backed stuff) over the entire
engine case, wrapped the intake tubes and oil sump (A-65). I leave a 6"
sq. area in the back of the oil tank uninsulated so that the preheat
system can warm the oil tank.
I wear glasses, and find that the headset does a very good job of
retaining them. Even if I inadvertintly stick my head out. In the dead
of winter...I assure you my head never goes outside of the area
protected by the windscreen. To keep my head warm. I have used a
CarHardt style thinsulate head covering. I cut holes for the headset to
fit in and sewed in piping. The headset kinda snaps into the cap around
the region that the gel cells are retained to the headset. I have no
problem keeping warm. There are plenty of options nowadays for warm
suits. I use a MAC-10 Mustang suit that I found on Ebay for cheap.(warm,
fire protection, & flotation) A simple solution is the common snowmobile
suit. (although they offer no fire protection). You can get some with
flotation, a good safety item.
Anyways with the small Continental. I can fly the plane with the
oil temps. in the 150F range to about -14C or about 6F. The Pietenpol
makes a great skiplane, and if the water freezes where you are I
recommend giving it a try. The smooth air, exceptional performance, and
the very cool places now open to you make living with the elements
bearable.
Shawn Wolk
Winnipeg, MB
CJL5-Winnipeg-Lyncrest
C-FRAZ (1933) Canada's oldest flying Pietenpol
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| Subject: | Cowling photos and information |
Members of the list:
Here are some cowling photos for your viewing.
These cowlings are professionally made and can be used on the Corvair installation.
I have left the final fit and trim up to the builder. These cowlings are
constructed very well and effort was taken to make sure they match and off-set
overlapping where needed.
Can these be utilized on the A-65?....I do not know. My estimation indicates
the A-65 is small and should fit inside the cowling with ease. Anyone interested
in attempting to try I will help them with a cowling at a much reduced price
if they are at that stage in the building process. Only qualification is to
take photos of the installation and notes for other builders.
Cost.....It "appears" we can do the entire set for around $300.00 dollars......I
am hopeful we can lower the price which is dependent upon quantity of manufacturing
supplies purchased. Shipping varies with location.
I will post more information within the next few days. Again, being in the business
of working with fiberglass, kevlar, carbon fiber, and the likes I am just
trying to make things a little bit easier with time saving ideas....
KM Heide
Fargo, ND
Where the movie (Fargo) failed and the money's lost!
---------------------------------
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The skis are federal 1500s. They are probably 50 years old. Same as
you would use on a Cub or a Champ. My Piet has spring gear like a Cub. I
made brackets from .065 4130 and attached them to the landing gear to
fuselage attach bolts. Rigged the skis to AC 43-13 , and made a wheel
penetration tail ski from an aluminium shovel. Cut a rectangular hole in
the shovel and used .050 4130 brackets riveted to the shovel to hold the
wheel.
I have found absolutely no difference in flight characteristics on
skis. Other than the increase in overall performance which I believe is
from the cold weather benefits.
There is a picture of the Piet on skis in the photo gallery.
Shawn Wolk
Winnipeg, MB
CJL5-Winnipeg-Lyncrest
C-FRAZ (1933) Canada's oldest flying Pietenpol
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Thanks to Michael's response something occured to me, perhaps in the 70
plus years that people have been building this one, someone has already
compiled a materials list. I see that there is a spruce package at
aircraft spruce, I missed it searching for the wrong items. Is there a
known list of ply and other components? I imagine this has all been
worked out before. One of my other hobbies is collecting and restoring
pinball and arcade machines. We always get the new guy asking where to
buy something or how to do something that we have all figured out
decades ago, I hate to be "that guy".
-Scott Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: MICHAEL SILVIUS
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some
pointers please
Scott:
for GN 1 plans http://www.gregagn-1.com/
and as close as you'll get to a pile of pre-cut wood:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=02-04700
its not everything, but it is most of the spruce. you will need to add
your ply, hardware and everything else to that.
michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
My real question is a starting point. I am more interested in the
GN-1 interpretation from a practical sense but I can't seem to find a
ready source for plan sets as I can with the basic version. If anyone
can help me here I am all ears. Also I don't see a prepared kit or even
a spruce/ply etc. kit from aircraft spruce or anyone else.
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