---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/05/06: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:40 AM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 2. 05:32 AM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (Skip-Cinda Gadd) 3. 07:39 AM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (Rick Holland) 4. 09:52 AM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (Alan Lyscars) 5. 10:57 AM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (Scott Schreiber) 6. 11:26 AM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (Alan Lyscars) 7. 11:30 AM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (jbfjr) 8. 11:37 AM - Re: Spruce and Model A engines (amsafetyc@aol.com) 9. 11:41 AM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (Jack T. Textor) 10. 01:09 PM - Re: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please (Alan Lyscars) 11. 03:50 PM - Re: Spruce and Model A engines (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 12. 06:04 PM - Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All the Books/Manuals You'll Need (John E. Joyce) 13. 08:23 PM - Re: Spruce and Model A engines (Amsafetyc@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:44 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Scott: You are right some links apear doa. Not sure what that is about. I know he recently redrew the plans in to 24x36 from the smaller 12x18 before. The plans mave a comeplete list of the materials. I dont have a phone # for him. Alan Lyscars do you have it??? michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please I saw that website but the links to the contact and order pages don't work. Does anyone know a phone number for them? Scott Schreiber ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:19 AM PST US From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Hi Scott, Welcome to the list. I live 15 SE of Parkersburg, way on the other side of West Virginia from you, but you are welcome to stop in. I am almost always here working on our place at Hales Landing. I have a completed GN-1 and my Piet is about 40% complete, so there is allot of parts to look at. Skip I am about an hour west of D.C. and about 20 min west of Manassas VA, are there any Pietenpol owners/ builders in the area? -Thanks much, Scott Schreiber ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:29 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Scott John Dilatush built an incredible Piet using a turboed Subaru engine. He used to fly it over the continental divide here in Colorado to flyins. He has since sold it but here is a site with pictures: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html Rick Holland On 10/4/06, Scott Schreiber wrote: > > I have decided to just go ahead and do it. After allot of thought on the > matter this plane came up as the ideal solution to my needs and preferences. > I don't have any reservations over the building process as a whole. I have > been building and flying R/C for around 25 years and most of it is giant > scale being 33~ 40% sized planes so the construction methods and materials > are very familiar. I also settled on this plane because of it's suitability > for the Subaru engines which I am also very familiar with since I am > somewhat of an authority on the Subaru BRAT and it's EA81 engine. > www.SubaruBrat.com is my creation and a hobby of mine. I love that engine, > It has to be one of the most durable designes ever. I have seen it run dry > of water, blow it's oil out of a cracked pan and make it off the trail, > endure 12Psi of boost on stock internals and many other amazing feats so I > trust my life to it. > > My real question is a starting point. I am more interested in the GN-1 > interpretation from a practical sense but I can't seem to find a ready > source for plan sets as I can with the basic version. If anyone can help me > here I am all ears. Also I don't see a prepared kit or even a spruce/ply > etc. kit from aircraft spruce or anyone else. It isn't that it is that hard > to make a materials list, but if a prepared package was available it would > make that part easier. Can anyone let me know if there is such a source or > kit available? I am also weighing the advantage of starting from scratch Vs > buying a partial or full completion. I like the idea of building but the > cost comparison between a list of raw materials and a completed one is > compelling. Lastly, I am about an hour west of D.C. and about 20 min west > of Manassas VA, are there any Pietenpol owners/ builders in the area? > > -Thanks much, Scott Schreiber > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:52 AM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Michael, Are you guys trying (without success) the links for the Grega GN-1 plans? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL SILVIUS To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Scott: You are right some links apear doa. Not sure what that is about. I know he recently redrew the plans in to 24x36 from the smaller 12x18 before. The plans mave a comeplete list of the materials. I dont have a phone # for him. Alan Lyscars do you have it??? michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please I saw that website but the links to the contact and order pages don't work. Does anyone know a phone number for them? Scott Schreiber ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:48 AM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Correct, the majority of the links from the main page are down, no email or phone number is listed on any page that works. Are the Grega GN1 plans "the" GN1 plans? -Scott Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lyscars To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Michael, Are you guys trying (without success) the links for the Grega GN-1 plans? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL SILVIUS To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Scott: You are right some links apear doa. Not sure what that is about. I know he recently redrew the plans in to 24x36 from the smaller 12x18 before. The plans mave a comeplete list of the materials. I dont have a phone # for him. Alan Lyscars do you have it??? michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please I saw that website but the links to the contact and order pages don't work. Does anyone know a phone number for them? Scott Schreiber href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://wiki.matronics.com">http://wiki.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:57 AM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please DearScott, Try http://www.gregagn-1.com/ this link. John Grega will sell you, what I consider, a very nice set of drawings. Regards, Al Lyscars Portland, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Correct, the majority of the links from the main page are down, no email or phone number is listed on any page that works. Are the Grega GN1 plans "the" GN1 plans? -Scott Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lyscars To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Michael, Are you guys trying (without success) the links for the Grega GN-1 plans? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL SILVIUS To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Scott: You are right some links apear doa. Not sure what that is about. I know he recently redrew the plans in to 24x36 from the smaller 12x18 before. The plans mave a comeplete list of the materials. I dont have a phone # for him. Alan Lyscars do you have it??? michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please I saw that website but the links to the contact and order pages don't work. Does anyone know a phone number for them? Scott Schreiber href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://wiki.matronics.com">http://wiki.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://wiki.matronics.com">http://wiki.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:06 AM PST US From: " jbfjr" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: " jbfjr" Scott, A few months ago I corresponded with Mr. Grega regarding some measurements of the center section spars and brackets. I've copied that email below, maybe it will help: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "R.J. Grega" >To: >Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:46 PM >Subject: [GN-1] Center section spar thickness > > >> John, >> A notation to use 1/8" plywood under the center section spar fittings >> was inadvertently omitted in re- drawing the GN-1 plans to cad. >> My apologies for this omission and thank you for bringing it to my >> attention. >> R.J. Grega >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GN1 mailing list >> GN1@gregagn-1.com >> http://gregagn-1.com/mailman/listinfo/gn1_gregagn-1.com > > >_______________________________________________ >GN1 mailing list >GN1@gregagn-1.com >http://gregagn-1.com/mailman/listinfo/gn1_gregagn-1.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Scott Schreiber" >Correct, the majority of the links from the main page are down, no email or phone number is listed on any page that works. Are the Grega GN1 plans "the" GN1 plans? > > -Scott Schreiber ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce and Model A engines From: amsafetyc@aol.com I haven't decided upon a power plant as of yet. I am considering a few options, the Model A, Corvair, Subaru or the ford pinto Lima OHC 2.2 engine. The reason I bring this up is because I have 2 Model A engine blocks and one 2.2 L Lima engines. If I decide to go more contemporary higher hp I will be selling off the Model A engines. Not that the maybe provides much help however it may be a start for someone looking for a block to begin with. I would be interested in hearing more about engines as I try to make the right decision here and appreciate any feedback from anyone with research and or experience in the engine research side of the build. John -----Original Message----- From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce and Model A engines Well, I found my spruce. Thanks, Rob Busch and Dave. Now I need to find a Model A motor, preferably modified to fly. Can anyone help? Ron ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:58 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please From: "Jack T. Textor" I have a set of the old Grega plans I would sell for $25.00. They are not the newer CAD drawings Jack Textor www.textors.com 515-225-7000 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:27 PM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please My error, boys. Don't know what's going on with the Grega website, but I'm on it. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL SILVIUS To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please Scott: You are right some links apear doa. Not sure what that is about. I know he recently redrew the plans in to 24x36 from the smaller 12x18 before. The plans mave a comeplete list of the materials. I dont have a phone # for him. Alan Lyscars do you have it??? michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm going to build one, need some pointers please I saw that website but the links to the contact and order pages don't work. Does anyone know a phone number for them? Scott Schreiber ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:26 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce and Model A engines John, I knew from the start I wanted to use the Model A, so I went to a car show in Hershey, PA and bought two blocks myself. I shipped them both to a rebuilder who later called me and told me neither were any good. That is why I shy away from the blocks. Many have been overheated and cracked, I was told. So I made a new rule with myself: The engine has to be at least be running before I get my hopes and expectations too high. However, I will keep you in mind if all else goes south. I appreciate your time. Ron ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:39 PM PST US From: "John E. Joyce" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All the Books/Manuals You'll Need Hi Pieters: Problems getting a medical certificate force me to give up my Piet project. I never cut any wood but did accumulate a large library of manuals and books from the EAA, the old CAA, General Motors/Corvair, etc. I have 17 titles, too many to list. Included are all of the Bingelis books from the EAA. I have Corvair related titles including William Winn's Conversion Manual. I also have both the Pietenpol and the Grega version plans. I don't know if it's possible but I'd like to sell the whole package to one person. If you have been lurking out in the weeds now is the time to start. I'm located just north of Boston. If you are in this area, come on by and take a look! Rather than clutter up the Matronics server with a long list (3 pages) and create unnecessary traffic, I'd be happy to provide anyone with a list. Shoot me an email at jayejay@comcast.net . Regards, John Joyce ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce and Model A engines From: Amsafetyc@aol.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Amsafetyc@aol.com Ron, No problem, I am in lancaster pa if your intests change. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Pietsrneat@aol.com To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce and Model A engines John, I knew from the start I wanted to use the Model A, so I went to a car show in Hershey, PA and bought two blocks myself. I shipped them both to a rebuilder who later called me and told me neither were any good. That is why I shy away from the blocks. Many have been overheated and cracked, I was told. So I made a new rule with myself: The engine has to be at least be running before I get my hopes and expectationstoo high. However, I will keep you in mind if all else goes south. I appreciate your time.