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1. 12:34 AM - Re: Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All the Books/Manuals You'll Need (Clif Dawson)
2. 02:21 AM - Pictures (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
3. 04:17 AM - Re: Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All the Books/Manuals You'll Need ()
4. 06:29 AM - Flippers slightly down when straight & level (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:32 AM - Re: Pictures (Steve Ruse)
6. 06:55 AM - Re: Pictures (Jim Markle)
7. 02:50 PM - Re: Flippers slightly down when straight & level (Rcaprd@AOL.COM)
8. 03:43 PM - Re: Flippers slightly down when straight & level ()
9. 03:48 PM - Re: Flippers slightly down when straight & level (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 03:55 PM - Re: Flippers slightly down when straight & level (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 04:46 PM - GN-1 Plans set for sale? (Subarubrat)
12. 05:37 PM - Re: Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All the Books/Manuals You'll Need (Clif Dawson)
13. 06:59 PM - Re: Flippers slightly down when straight & level (Alan Lyscars)
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| Subject: | Re: Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All the Books/Manuals |
You'll Need
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
RA licence?
----- Original Message -----
From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All the
Books/Manuals You'll Need
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>
> The other alternative is to get the RA licence which allows you to carry
> one passenger and I think the medical is stiffer than the Ultralight
> category but not too much as it would be for a regular pilot licence.In
> some ways our regs are stiffer;for instance in the USA you don't need a
> pilots licence of any kind to fly an ultralight.Not so here in
> Canada,you have to aquire an ultralight pilot licence regardless.But and
> here is the big difference;the ultralights in the USA are much lighter
> and smaller than ours by a huge amount.Our ultralights are litteraly
> regular size aircraft.Case in point;I was able to register my Piet as an
> ultralight.You can't do that in the States.As far as a med goes,we still
> have to send our examination into the feds.We just can't say we are all
> hunky dory.Sorry if I led you astray there.Our doctors are aware of what
> we ask for because it says so right on the form we have to send in with
> his signature on it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
> Dawson
> Sent: October 7, 2006 3:57 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All
> the Books/Manuals You'll Need
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>
> I know you have set yours up to be a single seater
> Harvey, but for those wanting to carry a passenger
> in Canada and also concerned about the medical,
> you have the option of going for the recreational
> permit which allows carrying one passenger with
> a self declared, class 4 med.
> Another issue we have is that our government folks
> have the smarts to know that a concerned pilot will
> go to a regular doctor for an under-the-counter medical
> so the law says that if a doctor knows or suspects you
> are a pilot he is required to rat you out.
>
> You USians should check into your regs to see if there
> are similiar laws in effect. After all, there are enough
> surprises in life without self made ones. Right? :-)
>
> Clif
>
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>>
>> Come to cold Canada where you can be a pilot of your craft for only
>> declaring your fitness and welfare and fly to your hearts content.As
> an
>> ultralight pilot, which by the way my plane ,a Pietenpol ,has been
>> registered as C-IOVC,enjoy!
>>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Steve Ruse: Nice looking airplane. What do the graphics on the side
read? I couldn't make them out. Leon S. do not archive
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| Subject: | Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All the Books/Manuals |
You'll Need
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Up here we have a licence between the ultralight and regular pilot
category called recreational aviation pilot licence(RA),which allows you
to carry a passenger.The ultralight category is starting to use
something like it for their advanced category.Sort of like your Sport
category I guess.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: October 9, 2006 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All
the Books/Manuals You'll Need
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
RA licence?
----- Original Message -----
From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All
the
Books/Manuals You'll Need
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>
> The other alternative is to get the RA licence which allows you to
carry
> one passenger and I think the medical is stiffer than the Ultralight
> category but not too much as it would be for a regular pilot
licence.In
> some ways our regs are stiffer;for instance in the USA you don't need
a
> pilots licence of any kind to fly an ultralight.Not so here in
> Canada,you have to aquire an ultralight pilot licence regardless.But
and
> here is the big difference;the ultralights in the USA are much lighter
> and smaller than ours by a huge amount.Our ultralights are litteraly
> regular size aircraft.Case in point;I was able to register my Piet as
an
> ultralight.You can't do that in the States.As far as a med goes,we
still
> have to send our examination into the feds.We just can't say we are
all
> hunky dory.Sorry if I led you astray there.Our doctors are aware of
what
> we ask for because it says so right on the form we have to send in
with
> his signature on it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
> Dawson
> Sent: October 7, 2006 3:57 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got
All
> the Books/Manuals You'll Need
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson
<CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>
> I know you have set yours up to be a single seater
> Harvey, but for those wanting to carry a passenger
> in Canada and also concerned about the medical,
> you have the option of going for the recreational
> permit which allows carrying one passenger with
> a self declared, class 4 med.
> Another issue we have is that our government folks
> have the smarts to know that a concerned pilot will
> go to a regular doctor for an under-the-counter medical
> so the law says that if a doctor knows or suspects you
> are a pilot he is required to rat you out.
>
> You USians should check into your regs to see if there
> are similiar laws in effect. After all, there are enough
> surprises in life without self made ones. Right? :-)
>
> Clif
>
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>>
>> Come to cold Canada where you can be a pilot of your craft for only
>> declaring your fitness and welfare and fly to your hearts content.As
> an
>> ultralight pilot, which by the way my plane ,a Pietenpol ,has been
>> registered as C-IOVC,enjoy!
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Flippers slightly down when straight & level |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Chuck wrote-
>The position of the flippers is a little bit down, which is how my plane
>flies
>in straight level flight. I've seen this on Corky's plane, too (Oscar has
>custody
>of it now).
Some kind soul sent me a very nice photo of 41CC in flight, presumably
straight and level, and if there is any "down-flipperness" it is very
slight. Here's the link to the picture, see if this compares with your
experience of flippers slightly down. And they do have medications
available for this condition, I am told ;o)
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/P1010053.jpg
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Thanks Leon. The graphics read "GN-1 Air Camper 1929". I know some
of the purists will take issue with that, but keep in mind I didn't
put the graphics on the plane. After having the plane for two years,
I'm still not sure if I like or don't like the graphics. I do like
the more classic clean look of other Pietenpols, and sometimes I feel
like a traveling salesman trying to hawk Pietenpols when I land
somewhere new.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
do not archive
Quoting Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>
> Steve Ruse: Nice looking airplane. What do the graphics on the side
> read? I couldn't make them out. Leon S. do not archive
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Most purists have an issue with it being referred to as a "Pietenpol" when it's
a GN1....seems to me that it's still an Air Camper, just not a "Pietenpol" Air
Camper....I'll bet your senses don't know the difference when you're cruising
along on a nice summer evening....you can take me for a ride anytime!!! :-)
So my vote is to leave the graphics alone. I think they look pretty neat. There
are a few Air Campers out there that were built with no attention to beauty
(and there's nothing wrong with that as long as it's safe to fly..) but for those
few, big bold letters on the side probably wouldn't fit.... In your case,
I hope you leave the letters where they are.....
Jim in Oklahoma
>
>Thanks Leon. The graphics read "GN-1 Air Camper 1929". I know some
>of the purists will take issue with that, but keep in mind I didn't
>put the graphics on the plane. After having the plane for two years,
>I'm still not sure if I like or don't like the graphics. I do like
>the more classic clean look of other Pietenpols, and sometimes I feel
>like a traveling salesman trying to hawk Pietenpols when I land
>somewhere new.
>
>Steve Ruse
>Norman, OK
>
>do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flippers slightly down when straight & level |
In a message dated 10/9/2006 8:31:16 AM Central Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
Some kind soul sent me a very nice photo of 41CC in flight, presumably
straight and level, and if there is any "down-flipperness" it is very
slight. Here's the link to the picture, see if this compares with your
experience of flippers slightly down. And they do have medications
available for this condition, I am told ;o)
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/P1010053.jpg
Oscar,
That was one of a series of pictures Corky sent me, and in some of the other
ones you could see more clearly the 'down-flipperness'. I think we're gonna
have to divy up that medication for everyone !! :)
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Flippers slightly down when straight & level |
I used to fly a Lazair ultralight and on the inverted V tail we had
ruddervators or as some guys called the flapperons so there ya
go.Flippers ,flappers,who cares we catch your drift.By the way weren't
flappers a style of shoe at one time or am I dating myself?
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Rcaprd@aol.com
Sent: October 9, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flippers slightly down when straight &
level
In a message dated 10/9/2006 8:31:16 AM Central Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
Some kind soul sent me a very nice photo of 41CC in flight,
presumably
straight and level, and if there is any "down-flipperness" it is
very
slight. Here's the link to the picture, see if this compares
with your
experience of flippers slightly down. And they do have
medications
available for this condition, I am told ;o)
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/P1010053.jpg
Oscar,
That was one of a series of pictures Corky sent me, and in some of the
other ones you could see more clearly the 'down-flipperness'. I think
we're gonna have to divy up that medication for everyone !! :)
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Flippers slightly down when straight & level |
Pieters,
Even though I'm no longer one of you I think my ears are burning. Please
don't pick on me and 41CC. I thought Nathan Moss did a pretty good job of flying
straight and leveled not having flown a tail dragger for 30+ years. He told
me that he and Edwin, the test pilot, modified the horz stab, lowering the
leading edge until sighting a straight line over the top of the stab struck a
point about 8 inches below the engine cylinders. That's probably the reasons
for the tiny flipper drop. ( Could be caused by that French 10 underside of the
wing too). He also told me that in his opinion you could never trim a Piet
to fly hands off longer than maybe 10 to 15 seconds. I believed him.
That Kid down in La
Do Not Archive
Better yet, Do Not Read
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| Subject: | Re: Flippers slightly down when straight & level |
Flappers
Were the young girls of the roaring twenties, until Oct 1929, who bobbed
their hair, shortened their dresses, danced the Charleston, and dated boys with
hip flasks known as jelly beans.
Now I've really dated myself
Nathan Moss
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| Subject: | GN-1 Plans set for sale? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Subarubrat" <got22b@subarubrat.com>
The Grega website has been down for quite a while now and is still down. The phone
number and email on the EAA directory for the company are both dead ends.
I can't seem to purchase a plan set from them. Does someone have a plan set for
sale of the newer CAD type?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66823#66823
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| Subject: | Re: Want to Build a Corvair Piet? I've Got All the Books/Manuals |
You'll Need
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Isn't that what I said in my first message? There
might have been some confusion as I stated it as
being a permit. Both the ultralight and reccy are
permits, not licences. The "licencing" process
begins with the private and goes up from there.
The legal training requirements are 10hrs for ultra,
25 hrs for recreational and 40hrs for private.
The instructors around here want to train you for
15hrsfor the ultra and 60 to 70 for the private before
signing you off for the flight test though. I'm not
sure about the recreational.
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>
> Up here we have a licence between the ultralight and regular pilot
> category called recreational aviation pilot licence(RA),which allows you
> to carry a passenger.The ultralight category is starting to use
> something like it for their advanced category.Sort of like your Sport
> category I guess.
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>
> RA licence?
>
>
>
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>>
>> The other alternative is to get the RA licence which allows you to
> carry
>> one passenger and I think the medical is stiffer than the Ultralight
>> category but not too much as it would be for a regular pilot
> licence.In
>> some ways our regs are stiffer;for instance in the USA you don't need
> a
>> pilots licence of any kind to fly an ultralight.Not so here in
>> Canada,you have to aquire an ultralight pilot licence regardless.But
>>>
>>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson
> <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>>
>> I know you have set yours up to be a single seater
>> Harvey, but for those wanting to carry a passenger
>> in Canada and also concerned about the medical,
>> you have the option of going for the recreational
>> permit which allows carrying one passenger with
>> a self declared, class 4 med.
>>
>> Clif
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
>>>
>>> Come to cold Canada where you can be a pilot of your craft for only
>>> declaring your fitness and welfare and fly to your hearts content.As
>> an
>>> ultralight pilot, which by the way my plane ,a Pietenpol ,has been
>>> registered as C-IOVC,enjoy!
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flippers slightly down when straight & level |
Corky,
The day that you're fired (or you resign) as "one of us" is the day that
we all go to Hell in a handbasket.
Al
Portland, Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flippers slightly down when straight &
level
Pieters,
Even though I'm no longer one of you I think my ears are burning.
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