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1. 04:56 AM - Re: Diagonal strut ()
2. 10:15 AM - Re: wing Spars (Rick Holland)
3. 10:21 AM - Bellcrank question (Rick Holland)
4. 10:54 AM - Re: Diagonal strut (Rick Holland)
5. 11:31 AM - Re: Steve Beasley (Rick Holland)
6. 11:46 AM - The streamline strut tube end smash (Rick Holland)
7. 11:50 AM - Re: Diagonal strut (Rick Holland)
8. 11:54 AM - Re: Steve Beasley (Phillips, Jack)
9. 12:12 PM - Re: Steve Beasley (Gene Rambo)
10. 12:21 PM - Re: Steve Beasley (Rick Holland)
11. 12:45 PM - Re: Steve Beasley (Phillips, Jack)
12. 02:24 PM - Pietenpols (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
13. 02:28 PM - Re: Diagonal strut ()
14. 02:50 PM - Re: Steve Beasley (Rick Holland)
15. 03:07 PM - Re: Pietenpols (Rick Holland)
16. 03:21 PM - Re: The streamline strut tube end smash (Rcaprd@aol.com)
17. 03:22 PM - Re: Diagonal strut (Rcaprd@aol.com)
18. 03:28 PM - Re: Steve Beasley (Rcaprd@aol.com)
19. 03:33 PM - Re: Pietenpols (Rcaprd@aol.com)
20. 03:40 PM - Re: Diagonal strut (Rcaprd@aol.com)
21. 05:15 PM - Re: Diagonal strut (Gene Beenenga)
22. 05:30 PM - Hey Chuck (shad bell)
23. 09:59 PM - Re: Hey Chuck (Rcaprd@aol.com)
24. 10:06 PM - Re: Diagonal strut (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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If you are using J3 struts then you can't call it a Pietenpol
anymore(it's a J3);-)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner
Mason
Sent: October 12, 2006 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Diagonal strut
Rick, I am using J3 struts and I am going to use the leftover for the
front cabane struts. They will fit between the fittings and bolted in.
At the top end I will weld in adjustable strut forks in case I have to
tilt the wing back for weight and balance. I think I read somewhere
that you are in Castle Rock Co. If so, I would like to call you when I
visit my son in Colorado Springs. I am building my Piet in Lagrange Ga.
, and I live in Atlanta, Ga. I am about 60 percent done after a year and
a half. Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal <mailto:gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Diagonal strut
The diagonals on NX18235 are 3/4 X .035 with an adjustable,
threaded fitting at the top. Bottom is attached similar to the way Chuck
G. has described.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Diagonal strut
Hey guys
What size tubing did you guys use for the diagonal
struts running from the top engine mounts to the top of the front
cabanes? Did you smash and weld the ends?
Thanks
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The Mini Max spar is an identical design. This design has been also used in
most all the Ragwing aircraft designs. Don't know who came out with it first
but it is a proven design that has been used in lots of homebuilts. And it
sure would be cheaper than buying 14 foot slabs of spruce.
Didn't know that our 'sue anybody with money' justice system could reach all
the way across to England.
Rick
On 10/11/06, Ed G. <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hi John...The Britt's have a built up spar for the Piet that is pretty
> much
> their standard spar set up. It is approved by their federal organization (
> I
> forget the designation offhand, PFA or something like that ). The fellow
> who
> engineered it and sells plans for it will not sell them in the U.S.
> because
> of litigation worries. It is a C section spar with a 1/8" plywood web and
> spruce or fir caps. Last time I was at Brodhead in 2005 there was a fellow
> there with a set he had built. The rear spars have slightly smaller caps
> than the front ones. Ed G.
>
>
> >From: amsafetyc@aol.com
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing Spars
> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:51:01 -0400
> >
> > Has anyone used and engineered truss design for the wing spars, I was
> >curious about weight using a lower weight system that had equal or
> greater
> >strength rigidity and flex characteristic's. If anyone has used such a
> >system or researched it I would be interested in the findings along with
> >the build materials, dimensions and methodology.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >John
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Subject: | Bellcrank question |
Concerning the elevator cables running from the rear joystick to the
bellcrank, I have seen pictures of bellcranks with no turnbuckles (per the
plans), one turnbuckle on the botton or top of the bellcrank, and
turnbuckles on the top and bottom. Any opinions on the best way? The only
reason I can see for two is if you will want to modify the joystick
position.
RIck
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Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Diagonal strut |
Chuck
Are you making another Piet? I thought yours was done. Anyhow, how would
welding two straps to either side of the tube and bolting that through the
top cabane bolt be stronger than smashing the top end of the tube, drilling
a hole in it and bolting that through the outside of the upper cabane bolt?
If it's to make it look better I think the best looking solution is to add a
metal tab to the top front of the cabane and and attach the tube to that as
Jack P. and others has done.
But I am too lazy to do that and will probably just smash, round, and edge
weld the ends.
Rick
On 10/12/06, Rcaprd@aol.com <Rcaprd@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/12/2006 9:49:58 AM Central Standard Time,
> at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
>
> Hey guys
>
> What size tubing did you guys use for the diagonal struts running from the
> top engine mounts to the top of the front cabanes? Did you smash and weld
> the ends?
>
> Hey Rick,
> I've been working on those struts for a while now, because I'm at a
> stumbling block on how to do the upper end. I'm using 5/8" X .065" wall
> for the tubing. I didn't smash the tube at either end. I terminated the
> lower end with a piece of 7/16" X .065 wall (perpendicular to strut) that
> is reamed for the 5/16" bolt, then did a wrap around and up the tube kind of
> finger patch, made from .063" flat 4130 steel. Just today I made a
> cardboard templet for the upper end, that terminates at the upper bolt for
> the cabane struts. I've got to do that end a little different. I am good
> with the outboard .063" strap, but I don't like how I'll have to do the
> inboard strap, because of the 'X' cables in front of the front windshield.
> I will have to make a pretty big notch in that strap, because of the little
> bracket that the fwd 'X' cables attach to....Any ideas on how I can make
> that inboard strap at the upper end ??
> I already made and installed a bushing on the floor for the front seat
> belt extension, so I can take my Fat buddies up for a ride...
>
> Chuck G.
> NX770CG
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Steve Beasley |
That's funny Leon, I also finished my second wing right after Broadhead/Osh.
Maybe it was that little tailgate party at Broadhead that got up all pumped
up. And I am right where you are with the flying strut thing. I have been
thinking about this since I started the project:
"Just go into any hanger anywhere and you will find old Cub struts in great
shape" - NOT!
"Just get aluminum struts, only $50 each" - but you better have an engineer
design the end fittings, wrong aluminum alloy and your dead, if you use
steel you have dissimilar metal corrosion issues plus steel bolts in soft
aluminum will wear the aluminum with time, plus aluminum fatigues with age
and steel does not.
"Just use round 4130 tubing" - but I will lose at least one mph cruise speed
and my Piet will look like an ultralight, and you guys will laugh at me if I
ever make it to Broadhead.
"Alright, just bite the bullet and buy NEW 4130 streamline" - but that will
cost a fortune!
Round and round I go. So I called Dillsberg the other day and 2.3 by
1.0streamline will cost me $27/ft. (for 8 foot lengths) and AS came in
at
$21.76 believe it or not, Wicks is about the same.
By the way, I stopped at the Zenith booth at Oshkosh and looked at the
struts on the 701 which is nearly identical gross weight. Looking at the
plans I noticed the 4 round 4130 struts on it are 1 1/4" .035! Making .049
4130 streamline struts about two to four times that needed for utility
class.
Rick
On 10/10/06, Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>
> HI, the other Mike C. and Chuck: Steve Beasley had written several
> notes in the old Buckeye newsletter (before Grant). I met him once at
> the EAA meeting at Ellsworth, then again at a function at Wiebie"s
> airport at Halsted. At that time he had a Model B engine and not much
> more. This was a few years ago. Maybe he is doing something now. Yah
> Chuck I've noticed the good fall flying weather. In fact I just hang my
> head and cry when I think that I should be up there. I still have the
> directions to your hangar. I'll get there one day. I promise. After
> Brodhead and Osh. I got my ass in gear and built my right (2nd) wing.
> I don't know if Brodhead inspired me or if I just realised I needed to
> get with it. I worked most weekends and an hour or so each day from
> early Aug. until a week ago when It is 98% done. I hope to get a couple
> of good weekend days with no rain so I can stick the wings on, string
> the cables and measure for the struts before it gets too cold to work on
> it. EAA ch 88 is at Webies-Halsted this mo. I am going to be there
> around noon after I get a little shut eye. Maybe you two could get over
> there. Yoder is our Amish community Chuck. It's next to Hutchinson. See
> you in the air. Leon S.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | The streamline strut tube end smash |
Question about streamline steel flying strut attachments. I noticed some
people have smashed (flattened) the ends of their struts, something the
plans do not show. If you do not smash the ends should washers be added
inside the struts to keep it from sliding up and down?
Rick
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Diagonal strut |
Chuck
How about this solution to your upper diagonal strut attach problem, grind
.065" off of the inside end of the horizontal tube that goes through the top
of your cabane strut. Then your top diagonal strut tab can go inside the top
cabane fitting instead of going against the outside of it where the cable
attachment gets in the way?
Rick
On 10/12/06, Rcaprd@aol.com <Rcaprd@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/12/2006 9:49:58 AM Central Standard Time,
> at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
>
> Hey guys
>
> What size tubing did you guys use for the diagonal struts running from the
> top engine mounts to the top of the front cabanes? Did you smash and weld
> the ends?
>
> Hey Rick,
> I've been working on those struts for a while now, because I'm at a
> stumbling block on how to do the upper end. I'm using 5/8" X .065" wall
> for the tubing. I didn't smash the tube at either end. I terminated the
> lower end with a piece of 7/16" X .065 wall (perpendicular to strut) that
> is reamed for the 5/16" bolt, then did a wrap around and up the tube kind of
> finger patch, made from .063" flat 4130 steel. Just today I made a
> cardboard templet for the upper end, that terminates at the upper bolt for
> the cabane struts. I've got to do that end a little different. I am good
> with the outboard .063" strap, but I don't like how I'll have to do the
> inboard strap, because of the 'X' cables in front of the front windshield.
> I will have to make a pretty big notch in that strap, because of the little
> bracket that the fwd 'X' cables attach to....Any ideas on how I can make
> that inboard strap at the upper end ??
> I already made and installed a bushing on the floor for the front seat
> belt extension, so I can take my Fat buddies up for a ride...
>
> Chuck G.
> NX770CG
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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If anyone is interested, I have 4 old J-3 rear lift struts taking up
space and leaking oil on the floor in my basement. I used front struts
off two J-3's for my Piet. Rears are a little smaller but are much less
trouble than the front struts (the front struts had the fairleads for
the aileron cables which had to be removed and ground down). $50 plus
shipping and they are yours. Shipping will have to be by truck if they
are full length, or I can cut them down to 8' to be shipped by UPS. Be
sure 8' will be enough for your installation before you tell me to cut
them.
I've been planning to put them on ebay, but want to offer them to the
Piet family first.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Looking forward to tomorrow - beautiful October weather and two fly-ins
to go to in my Pietenpol
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
That's funny Leon, I also finished my second wing right after
Broadhead/Osh. Maybe it was that little tailgate party at Broadhead that
got up all pumped up. And I am right where you are with the flying strut
thing. I have been thinking about this since I started the project:
"Just go into any hanger anywhere and you will find old Cub struts in
great shape" - NOT!
"Just get aluminum struts, only $50 each" - but you better have an
engineer design the end fittings, wrong aluminum alloy and your dead, if
you use steel you have dissimilar metal corrosion issues plus steel
bolts in soft aluminum will wear the aluminum with time, plus aluminum
fatigues with age and steel does not.
"Just use round 4130 tubing" - but I will lose at least one mph cruise
speed and my Piet will look like an ultralight, and you guys will laugh
at me if I ever make it to Broadhead.
"Alright, just bite the bullet and buy NEW 4130 streamline" - but that
will cost a fortune!
Round and round I go. So I called Dillsberg the other day and 2.3 by 1.0
streamline will cost me $27/ft. (for 8 foot lengths) and AS came in at
$21.76 believe it or not, Wicks is about the same.
By the way, I stopped at the Zenith booth at Oshkosh and looked at the
struts on the 701 which is nearly identical gross weight. Looking at the
plans I noticed the 4 round 4130 struts on it are 1 1/4" .035! Making
.049 4130 streamline struts about two to four times that needed for
utility class.
Rick
On 10/10/06, Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
HI, the other Mike C. and Chuck: Steve Beasley had written several
notes in the old Buckeye newsletter (before Grant). I met him once at
the EAA meeting at Ellsworth, then again at a function at Wiebie"s
airport at Halsted. At that time he had a Model B engine and not much
more. This was a few years ago. Maybe he is doing something now. Yah
Chuck I've noticed the good fall flying weather. In fact I just hang my
head and cry when I think that I should be up there. I still have the
directions to your hangar. I'll get there one day. I promise. After
Brodhead and Osh. I got my ass in gear and built my right (2nd) wing.
I don't know if Brodhead inspired me or if I just realised I needed to
get with it. I worked most weekends and an hour or so each day from
early Aug. until a week ago when It is 98% done. I hope to get a couple
of good weekend days with no rain so I can stick the wings on, string
the cables and measure for the struts before it gets too cold to work on
it. EAA ch 88 is at Webies-Halsted this mo. I am going to be there
around noon after I get a little shut eye. Maybe you two could get over
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Subject: | Re: Steve Beasley |
Get round tubing and streamline it with balsa and wrap it with fabric
tape. Then it will be cheap and look more authentic.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland<mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
That's funny Leon, I also finished my second wing right after
Broadhead/Osh. Maybe it was that little tailgate party at Broadhead that
got up all pumped up. And I am right where you are with the flying strut
thing. I have been thinking about this since I started the project:
"Just go into any hanger anywhere and you will find old Cub struts in
great shape" - NOT!
"Just get aluminum struts, only $50 each" - but you better have an
engineer design the end fittings, wrong aluminum alloy and your dead, if
you use steel you have dissimilar metal corrosion issues plus steel
bolts in soft aluminum will wear the aluminum with time, plus aluminum
fatigues with age and steel does not.
"Just use round 4130 tubing" - but I will lose at least one mph cruise
speed and my Piet will look like an ultralight, and you guys will laugh
at me if I ever make it to Broadhead.
"Alright, just bite the bullet and buy NEW 4130 streamline" - but that
will cost a fortune!
Round and round I go. So I called Dillsberg the other day and 2.3 by
1.0 streamline will cost me $27/ft. (for 8 foot lengths) and AS came in
at $21.76 believe it or not, Wicks is about the same.
By the way, I stopped at the Zenith booth at Oshkosh and looked at the
struts on the 701 which is nearly identical gross weight. Looking at the
plans I noticed the 4 round 4130 struts on it are 1 1/4" .035! Making
049 4130 streamline struts about two to four times that needed for
utility class.
Rick
On 10/10/06, Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net<mailto:lshutks@webtv.net>>
wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
lshutks@webtv.net<mailto:lshutks@webtv.net> (Leon Stefan)
HI, the other Mike C. and Chuck: Steve Beasley had written several
notes in the old Buckeye newsletter (before Grant). I met him once
at
the EAA meeting at Ellsworth, then again at a function at Wiebie"s
airport at Halsted. At that time he had a Model B engine and not
much
more. This was a few years ago. Maybe he is doing something now. Yah
Chuck I've noticed the good fall flying weather. In fact I just hang
my
head and cry when I think that I should be up there. I still have
the
directions to your hangar. I'll get there one day. I promise. After
Brodhead and Osh. I got my ass in gear and built my right (2nd)
wing.
I don't know if Brodhead inspired me or if I just realised I needed
to
get with it. I worked most weekends and an hour or so each day from
early Aug. until a week ago when It is 98% done. I hope to get a
couple
of good weekend days with no rain so I can stick the wings on,
string
the cables and measure for the struts before it gets too cold to
work on
it. EAA ch 88 is at Webies-Halsted this mo. I am going to be there
around noon after I get a little shut eye. Maybe you two could get
over
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Subject: | Re: Steve Beasley |
Jack
Jack, I will take them. And yes they can be cut down to 8 foot lengths for
UPS shipment. Will send you separte email with shipping info. And please
let me send you a case of good Guinness or something just for going to all
the trouble.
Rick
do not archive
On 10/13/06, Phillips, Jack < Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> If anyone is interested, I have 4 old J-3 *rear* lift struts taking up
> space and leaking oil on the floor in my basement. I used front struts o
ff
> two J-3's for my Piet. Rears are a little smaller but are much less trou
ble
> than the front struts (the front struts had the fairleads for the aileron
> cables which had to be removed and ground down). $50 plus shipping and t
hey
> are yours. Shipping will have to be by truck if they are full length, or
I
> can cut them down to 8' to be shipped by UPS. Be sure 8' will be enough
for
> your installation before you tell me to cut them.
>
>
> I've been planning to put them on ebay, but want to offer them to the Pie
t
> family first.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
>
> Looking forward to tomorrow ' beautiful October weather and two fly-ins
to
> go to in my Pietenpol
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] * On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2006 2:31 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
>
>
> That's funny Leon, I also finished my second wing right after
> Broadhead/Osh. Maybe it was that little tailgate party at Broadhead that
got
> up all pumped up. And I am right where you are with the flying strut thin
g.
> I have been thinking about this since I started the project:
>
> "Just go into any hanger anywhere and you will find old Cub struts in
> great shape" - NOT!
>
> "Just get aluminum struts, only $50 each" - but you better have an
> engineer design the end fittings, wrong aluminum alloy and your dead, if
you
> use steel you have dissimilar metal corrosion issues plus steel bolts in
> soft aluminum will wear the aluminum with time, plus aluminum fatigues wi
th
> age and steel does not.
>
> "Just use round 4130 tubing" - but I will lose at least one mph cruise
> speed and my Piet will look like an ultralight, and you guys will laugh a
t
> me if I ever make it to Broadhead.
>
> "Alright, just bite the bullet and buy NEW 4130 streamline" - but that
> will cost a fortune!
>
> Round and round I go. So I called Dillsberg the other day and 2.3 by 1.0s
treamline will cost me $27/ft. (for 8 foot lengths) and AS came in at
> $21.76 believe it or not, Wicks is about the same.
>
> By the way, I stopped at the Zenith booth at Oshkosh and looked at the
> struts on the 701 which is nearly identical gross weight. Looking at the
> plans I noticed the 4 round 4130 struts on it are 1 1/4" .035! Making .04
9
> 4130 streamline struts about two to four times that needed for utility
> class.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On 10/10/06, *Leon Stefan* < lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>
> HI, the other Mike C. and Chuck: Steve Beasley had written several
> notes in the old Buckeye newsletter (before Grant). I met him once at
> the EAA meeting at Ellsworth, then again at a function at Wiebie"s
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OK Rick - they're yours. I'll try to get them cut and prepared for
shipping this weekend, and get them shipped out to you on Monday.
Guinness, huh? I prefer Newcastle, or some of that "Aviator Red" that
Rob Busch brought to Brodhead last year. I'll get my fill of Guinness
from Chuck Gantzer anyway - he's bet me a Guinness that his Wittman
Tailwind will be faster than my RV-4 with the same engine. This assumes
he gets the Tailwind flying before I sell the RV-4.
I'll cut off the bottom ends of the struts (that's where the rust will
be, that caused the AD that made all these J-3 struts available), and
will include the clevis forks with the struts (if they are still in
place - I think they are. Those forks new from AS&S atre $87.50 each).
If you want me to send the cutoff ends I will, but they'll have to be
bagged in a plastic bag - they're full of grease and oil in a vain
attempt to keep them from rusting.
Are you SURE that 8' will be enough? It was for mine, but everybody's
is different.
I'll go ahead and ship the struts as soon as I get them prepared. I'll
assume you'll be good for the money, and that way I can let you know
what the shipping cost is.
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
Jack
Jack, I will take them. And yes they can be cut down to 8 foot lengths
for UPS shipment. Will send you separte email with shipping info. And
please let me send you a case of good Guinness or something just for
going to all the trouble.
Rick
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On 10/13/06, Phillips, Jack < Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com
<mailto:Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> > wrote:
If anyone is interested, I have 4 old J-3 rear lift struts taking up
space and leaking oil on the floor in my basement. I used front struts
off two J-3's for my Piet. Rears are a little smaller but are much less
trouble than the front struts (the front struts had the fairleads for
the aileron cables which had to be removed and ground down). $50 plus
shipping and they are yours. Shipping will have to be by truck if they
are full length, or I can cut them down to 8' to be shipped by UPS. Be
sure 8' will be enough for your installation before you tell me to cut
them.
I've been planning to put them on ebay, but want to offer them to the
Piet family first.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Looking forward to tomorrow - beautiful October weather and two fly-ins
to go to in my Pietenpol
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Holland
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
That's funny Leon, I also finished my second wing right after
Broadhead/Osh. Maybe it was that little tailgate party at Broadhead that
got up all pumped up. And I am right where you are with the flying strut
thing. I have been thinking about this since I started the project:
"Just go into any hanger anywhere and you will find old Cub struts in
great shape" - NOT!
"Just get aluminum struts, only $50 each" - but you better have an
engineer design the end fittings, wrong aluminum alloy and your dead, if
you use steel you have dissimilar metal corrosion issues plus steel
bolts in soft aluminum will wear the aluminum with time, plus aluminum
fatigues with age and steel does not.
"Just use round 4130 tubing" - but I will lose at least one mph cruise
speed and my Piet will look like an ultralight, and you guys will laugh
at me if I ever make it to Broadhead.
"Alright, just bite the bullet and buy NEW 4130 streamline" - but that
will cost a fortune!
Round and round I go. So I called Dillsberg the other day and 2.3 by 1.0
streamline will cost me $27/ft. (for 8 foot lengths) and AS came in at
$21.76 believe it or not, Wicks is about the same.
By the way, I stopped at the Zenith booth at Oshkosh and looked at the
struts on the 701 which is nearly identical gross weight. Looking at the
plans I noticed the 4 round 4130 struts on it are 1 1/4" .035! Making
.049 4130 streamline struts about two to four times that needed for
utility class.
Rick
On 10/10/06, Leon Stefan < lshutks@webtv.net <mailto:lshutks@webtv.net>
> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
HI, the other Mike C. and Chuck: Steve Beasley had written several
notes in the old Buckeye newsletter (before Grant). I met him once at
the EAA meeting at Ellsworth, then again at a function at Wiebie"s
airport at Halsted. At that time he had a Model B engine and not much
more. This was a few years ago. Maybe he is doing something now. Yah
Chuck I've noticed the good fall flying weather. In fact I just hang my
head and cry when I think that I should be up there. I still have the
directions to your hangar. I'll get there one day. I promise. After
Brodhead and Osh. I got my ass in gear and built my right (2nd) wing.
I don't know if Brodhead inspired me or if I just realised I needed to
get with it. I worked most weekends and an hour or so each day from
early Aug. until a week ago when It is 98% done. I hope to get a couple
of good weekend days with no rain so I can stick the wings on, string
the cables and measure for the struts before it gets too cold to work on
it. EAA ch 88 is at Webies-Halsted this mo. I am going to be there
around noon after I get a little shut eye. Maybe you two could get over
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Hi Rick: Anyone who doesn't fly to Brodhead ought to drive in in pickup
trucks. We could all gather at the trees, circle the pickups, tail gates
inward, with beer coolers in the center. What a party! A bunch of
drinking, pissing Piet builders telling lies about their construction
and flying adventures. I could bring my barrel of do-over scrapped parts
as a conversation starter. Yah, I think about all of those strut worries
you mentioned. That is why I haven't ordered any material to build them
yet. Another couple of options are round steel tube with that plastic
streamline material to cover it. You would have to watch others who
would grab a strut and help you push or pull. It strikes me as kind of
fragile. Also something Doug Bryant did that worked quite well. He had a
piece of flat steel bent in a V shape and welded to the back side of the
strut tube. He ran it by engineers at Raytheon. (Beechcraft) who gave it
their seal of approval. It was stiff enough that he didn't use jury
struts. The V material also gave a streamlining effect. There is always
a way, just which one to try. Leon S. Ks.
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I was even lazier,I had a machinist make anything like that which you
talk of.It cost money but then it keeps the wheels of the system going
around and I know it's been done properly.The machinist I speak of was
referred to me by another pilot who used him extensively in the making
of his Christavia.Just another idea.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: October 13, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Diagonal strut
Chuck
Are you making another Piet? I thought yours was done. Anyhow, how would
welding two straps to either side of the tube and bolting that through
the top cabane bolt be stronger than smashing the top end of the tube,
drilling a hole in it and bolting that through the outside of the upper
cabane bolt? If it's to make it look better I think the best looking
solution is to add a metal tab to the top front of the cabane and and
attach the tube to that as Jack P. and others has done.
But I am too lazy to do that and will probably just smash, round, and
edge weld the ends.
Rick
On 10/12/06, Rcaprd@aol.com <Rcaprd@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 10/12/2006 9:49:58 AM Central Standard Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Hey guys
What size tubing did you guys use for the diagonal struts
running from the top engine mounts to the top of the front cabanes? Did
you smash and weld the ends?
Hey Rick,
I've been working on those struts for a while now, because I'm at a
stumbling block on how to do the upper end. I'm using 5/8" X .065"
wall for the tubing. I didn't smash the tube at either end. I
terminated the lower end with a piece of 7/16" X .065 wall
(perpendicular to strut) that is reamed for the 5/16" bolt, then did a
wrap around and up the tube kind of finger patch, made from .063" flat
4130 steel. Just today I made a cardboard templet for the upper end,
that terminates at the upper bolt for the cabane struts. I've got to do
that end a little different. I am good with the outboard .063" strap,
but I don't like how I'll have to do the inboard strap, because of the
'X' cables in front of the front windshield. I will have to make a
pretty big notch in that strap, because of the little bracket that the
fwd 'X' cables attach to....Any ideas on how I can make that inboard
strap at the upper end ??
I already made and installed a bushing on the floor for the front
seat belt extension, so I can take my Fat buddies up for a ride...
Chuck G.
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Jack,
This is like a gift from the Pietenpol Gods. My measurements from the
fuselage strut fitting bolt hole to the spar fitting hole is 7' 11". So wit
h
the forks and fittings sticking out of each end I will need something under
eight feet. So eight feet is fine and I won't need the cut offs. So each of
these struts has a threaded barrel welded to one end for the forks? Send m
e
your address and the shipping costs and I will get a check in the mail for
$50 plus shipping plus the cost of a case of Guinness so you can get
yourself some 'Aviator Red' or whatever, I don't think I have seen that
stuff out here in Colorado.
Thank you very much,
Rick
at7000ft@gmail.com
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On 10/13/06, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> OK Rick ' they're yours. I'll try to get them cut and prepared for
> shipping this weekend, and get them shipped out to you on Monday. Guinne
ss,
> huh? I prefer Newcastle, or some of that "Aviator Red" that Rob Busch
> brought to Brodhead last year. I'll get my fill of Guinness from Chuck
> Gantzer anyway ' he's bet me a Guinness that his Wittman Tailwind will
be
> faster than my RV-4 with the same engine. This assumes he gets the Tailw
ind
> flying before I sell the RV-4.
>
>
> I'll cut off the bottom ends of the struts (that's where the rust will be
,
> that caused the AD that made all these J-3 struts available), and will
> include the clevis forks with the struts (if they are still in place '
I
> think they are. Those forks new from AS&S atre $87.50 each). If you wan
t
> me to send the cutoff ends I will, but they'll have to be bagged in a
> plastic bag ' they're full of grease and oil in a vain attempt to keep
them
> from rusting.
>
>
> Are you SURE that 8' will be enough? It was for mine, but everybody's is
> different.
>
>
> I'll go ahead and ship the struts as soon as I get them prepared. I'll
> assume you'll be good for the money, and that way I can let you know what
> the shipping cost is.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2006 3:21 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
>
>
> Jack
>
> Jack, I will take them. And yes they can be cut down to 8 foot lengths fo
r
> UPS shipment. Will send you separte email with shipping info. And please
> let me send you a case of good Guinness or something just for going to al
l
> the trouble.
>
> Rick
>
> do not archive
>
> On 10/13/06, *Phillips, Jack* < Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> If anyone is interested, I have 4 old J-3 *rear* lift struts taking up
> space and leaking oil on the floor in my basement. I used front struts o
ff
> two J-3's for my Piet. Rears are a little smaller but are much less trou
ble
> than the front struts (the front struts had the fairleads for the aileron
> cables which had to be removed and ground down). $50 plus shipping and t
hey
> are yours. Shipping will have to be by truck if they are full length, or
I
> can cut them down to 8' to be shipped by UPS. Be sure 8' will be enough
for
> your installation before you tell me to cut them.
>
>
> I've been planning to put them on ebay, but want to offer them to the Pie
t
> family first.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
>
> Looking forward to tomorrow ' beautiful October weather and two fly-ins
to
> go to in my Pietenpol
>
>
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> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2006 2:31 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Beasley
>
>
> That's funny Leon, I also finished my second wing right after
> Broadhead/Osh. Maybe it was that little tailgate party at Broadhead that
got
> up all pumped up. And I am right where you are with the flying strut thin
g.
> I have been thinking about this since I started the project:
>
> "Just go into any hanger anywhere and you will find old Cub struts in
> great shape" - NOT!
>
> "Just get aluminum struts, only $50 each" - but you better have an
> engineer design the end fittings, wrong aluminum alloy and your dead, if
you
> use steel you have dissimilar metal corrosion issues plus steel bolts in
> soft aluminum will wear the aluminum with time, plus aluminum fatigues wi
th
> age and steel does not.
>
> "Just use round 4130 tubing" - but I will lose at least one mph cruise
> speed and my Piet will look like an ultralight, and you guys will laugh a
t
> me if I ever make it to Broadhead.
>
> "Alright, just bite the bullet and buy NEW 4130 streamline" - but that
> will cost a fortune!
>
> Round and round I go. So I called Dillsberg the other day and 2.3 by 1.0s
treamline will cost me $27/ft. (for 8 foot lengths) and AS came in at
> $21.76 believe it or not, Wicks is about the same.
>
> By the way, I stopped at the Zenith booth at Oshkosh and looked at the
> struts on the 701 which is nearly identical gross weight. Looking at the
> plans I noticed the 4 round 4130 struts on it are 1 1/4" .035! Making .04
9
> 4130 streamline struts about two to four times that needed for utility
> class.
>
> Rick
>
> On 10/10/06, *Leon Stefan* < lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>
> HI, the other Mike C. and Chuck: Steve Beasley had written several
> notes in the old Buckeye newsletter (before Grant). I met him once at
> the EAA meeting at Ellsworth, then again at a function at Wiebie"s
> airport at Halsted. At that time he had a Model B engine and not much
> more. This was a few years ago. Maybe he is doing something now. Yah
> Chuck I've noticed the good fall flying weather. In fact I just hang my
> head and cry when I think that I should be up there. I still have the
> directions to your hangar. I'll get there one day. I promise. After
> Brodhead and Osh. I got my ass in gear and built my right (2nd) wing.
> I don't know if Brodhead inspired me or if I just realised I needed to
> get with it. I worked most weekends and an hour or so each day from
> early Aug. until a week ago when It is 98% done. I hope to get a couple
> of good weekend days with no rain so I can stick the wings on, string
> the cables and measure for the struts before it gets too cold to work on
> it. EAA ch 88 is at Webies-Halsted this mo. I am going to be there
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Broadhead is a little far for me to drive my truck next year but bringing a
cooler full of beer is no problem. Concerning the struts, I agree that the
streamline plastic covers would be too fragile especially if you have a lot
of people getting in and out of the front seat.
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> Hi Rick: Anyone who doesn't fly to Brodhead ought to drive in in pickup
> trucks. We could all gather at the trees, circle the pickups, tail gates
> inward, with beer coolers in the center. What a party! A bunch of
> drinking, pissing Piet builders telling lies about their construction
> and flying adventures. I could bring my barrel of do-over scrapped parts
> as a conversation starter. Yah, I think about all of those strut worries
> you mentioned. That is why I haven't ordered any material to build them
> yet. Another couple of options are round steel tube with that plastic
> streamline material to cover it. You would have to watch others who
> would grab a strut and help you push or pull. It strikes me as kind of
> fragile. Also something Doug Bryant did that worked quite well. He had a
> piece of flat steel bent in a V shape and welded to the back side of the
> strut tube. He ran it by engineers at Raytheon. (Beechcraft) who gave it
> their seal of approval. It was stiff enough that he didn't use jury
> struts. The V material also gave a streamlining effect. There is always
> a way, just which one to try. Leon S. Ks.
>
>
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In a message dated 10/13/2006 1:49:07 PM Central Standard Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
If you do not smash the ends should washers be added inside the struts to
keep it from sliding up and down?
Don't smash the ends. The plans show on the inside of the STEEL lift struts,
make the 'Lollypop Fittings' that terminate the upper ends of the Lift
Struts. (Doug Bryant gave them that name) Then BRAZE a washer to the outside,
but
keep the I.D. of the washer small enough for a final ream to the size of the
bolt. If you use these plans type 'Lollypop Fittings', there is No need to
make adjustable lift struts. They are easy enough to make another one with
slightly different length, in the event that the Incidence didn't come out just
right.
On my Tailwind, there is several places that leave them original diameter,
and drill the ends to accept a .058" wall bushing to be welded in, with the I.D.
of the diameter bolt needed.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: Diagonal strut |
In a message dated 10/13/2006 1:52:23 PM Central Standard Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
.065" off of the inside end of the horizontal tube that goes through the top
of your cabane strut.
Can't do that, Rick, because there would be no material left there in the
inboard side of the top of the cabane strut.
Chuck
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Subject: | Re: Steve Beasley |
In a message dated 10/13/2006 2:47:22 PM Central Standard Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com writes:
I=99ll get my fill of Guinness from Chuck Gantzer anyway =93 he
=99s bet me a
Guinness that his Wittman Tailwind will be faster than my RV-4 with the same
engine. This assumes he gets the Tailwind flying before I sell the RV-4.
Well, Jack, I've been hard after building on the Tailwind all summer...to th
e
point of forfeiting some fine flying weather to work on the W10. I've got
some 'Top Secret Go Fast' ideas that will be used. I just hope you keep tha
t
spam can a few more years !! :)
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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In a message dated 10/13/2006 4:25:41 PM Central Standard Time,
lshutks@webtv.net writes:
What a party! A bunch of
drinking, pissing Piet builders telling lies about their construction
and flying adventures.
Hey !! I've got a couple stories to tell !! Did I ever tell ya about the
time when I was flying along, all fat dumb & happy, when all of a
sudden....well, never mind...haven't had enough beer yet. :)
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Subject: | Re: Diagonal strut |
In a message dated 10/13/2006 12:58:44 PM Central Standard Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Are you making another Piet? I thought yours was done.
No, not building another one, just doing some mods. I have always had the
cables on the right side of the front pit, and would like to do away with them.
Anyhow, how would welding two straps to either side of the tube and bolting
that through the top cabane bolt be stronger than smashing the top end of the
tube, drilling a hole in it and bolting that through the outside of the upper
cabane bolt? If it's to make it look better I think the best looking solution
is to add a metal tab to the top front of the cabane and and attach the tube to
that as Jack P. and others has done.
I like the way Corky did it (Oscar sent me a good picture of it), by welding
the straps on each side of each front cabane strut, then attaching the slanted
strut to that - that keeps the welds in shear. I don't like the tab on the
front, because then the weld is in tension.
What I was trying to describe DOES NOT smash any tubes...I don't like that
idea at all. My present idea that I tried to describe, is to weld tabs to the
upper ends of the slanted struts, and bolt them to the top cabane strut. The
problem lies on the inboard side of the cabanes, where the front 'X' cable
attach tabs are. My challenge is to do it without welding on the cabane struts,
in order to save all of work of disassembly for welding.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: Diagonal strut |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd@earthlink.net>
Has anyone ever tested the strength of the aluminum streamlined strut for use as
cabane struts? I am not sure how one would conduct either a destructive test
or a non destructive test. I am planing on using them on a GN-1.
Gene in Springfield
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rcaprd@aol.com
>Sent: Oct 13, 2006 5:06 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Diagonal strut
>
>In a message dated 10/13/2006 12:58:44 PM Central Standard Time,
>at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
>Are you making another Piet? I thought yours was done.
>No, not building another one, just doing some mods. I have always had the
>cables on the right side of the front pit, and would like to do away with them.
>
>Anyhow, how would welding two straps to either side of the tube and bolting
>that through the top cabane bolt be stronger than smashing the top end of the
>tube, drilling a hole in it and bolting that through the outside of the upper
>cabane bolt? If it's to make it look better I think the best looking solution
>is to add a metal tab to the top front of the cabane and and attach the tube to
>that as Jack P. and others has done.
>I like the way Corky did it (Oscar sent me a good picture of it), by welding
>the straps on each side of each front cabane strut, then attaching the slanted
>strut to that - that keeps the welds in shear. I don't like the tab on the
>front, because then the weld is in tension.
>What I was trying to describe DOES NOT smash any tubes...I don't like that
>idea at all. My present idea that I tried to describe, is to weld tabs to the
>upper ends of the slanted struts, and bolt them to the top cabane strut. The
>problem lies on the inboard side of the cabanes, where the front 'X' cable
>attach tabs are. My challenge is to do it without welding on the cabane struts,
>in order to save all of work of disassembly for welding.
>
>Chuck G.
>NX770CG
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Hello Chuck G, I talked briefly at Oshkosh with you in 03. My name is Shad Bell
and my father has Piet NX92GB. (Gary Bell) We tried to get to Brodhead last
year with out success this year but hopefully next year. If we make it next year
I will buy the 1st round of beers, God knows I could have used 1 or 2 after
the excitement (unwanted) I had last this year trying to get there. I would
be interested in hearing about your tailwind. I live on a private airport community,
and the owner of the airport built 1 or 2 tailwinds, one of them won
something at oshkosh I think. His name is Bill See, and I live in Centerburg
Ohio. I am building a Jungster-1 an all wood aero bipe that should be lots of
fun. I hope to have it done for brodhead 08, and would love to fly up with dad
in his piet. I don't care much to go to the "other fly-in" in WI. It is too
comercialized and expensive. Even though I am not a piet builder (yet), I
am a Piet flier, and I love the grass roots flying
and hope to do some grass roots aero bipe flying in my Jungster over Brodhead
in the next few years. I am 28 and don't see many grass roots aviators my age
and only hope that they are out there some where. I am proud to be a Piet'er
and a home builder and look forward to seeing you all next year at Brodhead
07.
Excuse me getting sentimental ( it's the beer)
Shad
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Hey Shad,
Yes, I've been keeping up with all your adventures, as you have posted them
to the group. I'm glad you & your Dad made it home safely. I didn't make it
to Brodhead this year, either. However, my reasons were the 40,000 tops around
Kansas City...the ol' Piet just couldn't make it over them !!
I think the Jungster-1 design has German roots, and is the plane that a guy
built after failing to design & build a plane in 30 days - there was a video
about it a few years ago. Looks like a really fun plane to fly, and has
aerobatic capabilities.
In my experience, there is no finer people out there, than those involved in
grassroots aviation, and Brodhead is a fine example. I look forward to
meeting you, and all the others there in '07 !!
I'm working on finishing up the tail feathers, and control system, but you
can see most of what I've got complete on my Tailwind at my web site:
http://nx770cg.com/NextProjectTailwind.html
Is Bill See still flying his Tailwind ?
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: Diagonal strut |
In a message dated 10/13/2006 7:16:26 PM Central Standard Time,
kgbunltd@earthlink.net writes:
Has anyone ever tested the strength of the aluminum streamlined strut for use
as cabane struts?
Personally, I don't like the thought of using aluminum struts on the Piet,
for the reasons mentioned a little earlier today -
- but you better have an engineer design the end fittings, wrong aluminum
alloy and your dead, if you use steel you have dissimilar metal corrosion issues
plus steel bolts in soft aluminum will wear the aluminum with time, plus
aluminum fatigues with age and steel does not.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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