---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/18/06: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:06 AM - Re: A65 oil filter screen (Ed G.) 2. 05:09 AM - Brodhead (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 3. 06:57 AM - Re: D & S Dimension Wood (Robert Gow) 4. 07:28 AM - Airworthiness Cdertificate Inspection (slowbilder@comcast.net) 5. 07:40 AM - Re: Airworthiness Cdertificate Inspection (Phillips, Jack) 6. 07:41 AM - Re: A65 oil filter screen (Michael Conkling) 7. 07:55 AM - Re: Airworthiness Cdertificate Inspection () 8. 07:59 AM - Re: Airworthiness Cdertificate Inspection () 9. 08:31 AM - Re: D & S Dimension Wood (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 10. 02:10 PM - ELT installation (Oscar Zuniga) 11. 03:41 PM - Re: Piets near to Tulsa, Ok (javier cruz) 12. 03:51 PM - Re: Piets near to Tulsa, Ok (amsafetyc@aol.com) 13. 04:04 PM - Re: ELT installation (Mark Blackwell) 14. 05:00 PM - Piet project (Chet's Mail) 15. 05:23 PM - Re: Piet project (Amsafetyc@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:13 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 oil filter screen Hi Oscar..Not burst your bubble but for the info of others on the list with square headed plugs. Eight point sockets for square headed plugs and cheap hardware bolts are available at Sears/ Craftsman. If you've ever bought a Craftsman tool set they are those weird looking coarse toothed sockets that no one ever uses. Ed G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 oil filter screen --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > My thanks to whoever it was that suggested inspection of the oil screen contents on the A65. I had really not wanted to bugger up the square head on the oil screen cover on mine anymore than it already was from 50+ years of service, but knew it would have to be taken out for inspection sooner or later and every tool in my box was tending to slip on the corners. So a machinist friend of mine made me a square-head socket with a 3/8" adapter so I could use a standard ratchet on it without further messing up the corners of the square head, and also dressed the corners of the cap to give the new tool an excellent purchase on all four faces and corners of the square head. Per your suggestions on this great list, I carefully pulled the screen and washed it out in a coffee filter with avgas, let the liquid evaporate, and found only some minute particles of dust and a few pieces of the usual crud... nothing shiny or metallic. This A65 is good to keep flying, and now I have a quick and reliable way to pull the screen without resorting to measures that knock the corners off the square head again. And no, I don't have any of these for sale. It's a one-off piece, and he engraved it, "Screw-Off Tool Co." Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:36 AM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead I am recently back to the list after more than 10 years, so please forgive me if I ask dumb questions as a result of being out of the loop. Does Brodhead coincide with the first weekend of AirVenture? Next year will be my first opportunity to make it, so I would like to plan for it now. What is the story on camping of hotels? Dave: Thanks again for the spruce. It is truly beautiful stuff, and all the old news letters were almost worth the price alone. JM: I'm still interested in that A motor you have. Mike Cuy: Are you still around? What a great inspiration you have been, along with Grant Mac. Ron ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:55 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: D & S Dimension Wood Ah spell checkers. I was sitting with Transport Canada late on night, 4 of them, 6 of us. The were reviewing our reports on a Dash-7. One TCCA eng starts laughing, passes the report to the next person who starts laughing and so on. It was my report. Seems the spell checker didn't know I meant fuel shut-off valve, not shit-off valve. Bob. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Skip-Cinda Gadd Sent: October 16, 2006 10:42 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: D & S Dimension Wood Bob, You probably got the idea, but I meant Dave is a conscientious builder. Spell check doesn't help when your misspelled word is the correct spelling for some other word. ;) Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip-Cinda Gadd To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: 10/16/2006 9:00:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: D & S Dimension Wood Hi Bob, I have not used Dave's products. I have seen his Piet project. He took his uncovered fuselage to Brodhead 2005, some on the list may remember it there. Dave is a very conciseness builder. He is selling assemblies not just dimension lumber. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gow To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: 10/16/2006 9:06:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: D & S Dimension Wood Has anyone used this gentleman's products? http://home.frognet.net/~rdstephe/ Bob ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:03 AM PST US From: slowbilder@comcast.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Cdertificate Inspection I received my Airworthiness Ceertificate for my Piet last week. I used a local Designee whose standard charge is $300 plus mileage. When we scheduled the inspection he said that he might have his supervisor along to supervise the inspection. My first thought was that he was liable to be extra picky with his FAA supervisor looking over his shoulder. On the day of the inspection the Designee and the FAA supervisor both showed up. The inspection went quite smoothly. The paperwork was in order, and they did not find any fault with the aircraft other than spotting two nuts that had not been safetied. They did have a few constructive suggestions on minor items. When I received the C of A I got out my checkbook to pay the Designee but he said "I can not charge for a supervised inspection. I have to do supervised inspections periodically to maintain my status and I am not allowed to charge for them." I lucked in on that one. The FAA is pushing the recommendation that homebuilts have ELTs during the test period even though they recognize that the regulations do not require it. I was not going to install one until my time was flown off, but I have gone ahead and purchased one. I think I am going to mount it on the floor of the rear pit, but I have not figured out where the antenna will go. Between the need for more tailwheel time, the weather in Michigan, and my travel schedule, I suspect I will not get my first flight in until Spring, but we shall see. Bob Humbert Battle Creek, MI N491RH
I received my Airworthiness Ceertificate for my Piet last week.  I used a local Designee whose standard charge is $300 plus mileage.  When we scheduled the inspection he said that he might have his supervisor along to supervise the inspection.  My first thought was that he was liable to be extra picky with his FAA supervisor looking over his shoulder.  On the day of the inspection the Designee and the FAA supervisor both showed up.  The inspection went quite smoothly.  The paperwork was in order, and they did not find any fault with the aircraft other than spotting two nuts that had not been safetied.  They did have a few constructive suggestions on minor items.  When I received the C of A I got out my checkbook to pay the Designee but he said "I can not charge for a supervised inspection.  I have to do supervised inspections periodically to maintain my status and I am not allowed to charge for them."  I lucked in on that one.< /DIV>
 
The FAA is pushing the recommendation that homebuilts have ELTs during the test period even though they recognize that the regulations do not require it.  I was not going to install one until my time was flown off, but I have gone ahead and purchased one.  I think I am going to mount it on the floor of the rear pit, but I have not figured out where the antenna will go.
 
Between the need for more tailwheel time, the weather in Michigan, and my travel schedule, I suspect I will not get my first flight in until Spring, but we shall see.
 
Bob Humbert
Battle Creek, MI
N491RH



________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:15 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Cdertificate Inspection From: "Phillips, Jack" Congratulations, Bob! You are just a little bit away from the greatest feeling on (or off) earth. FWIW, I mounted my ELT antenna underneath the helmet box, behind the rear seat. I had to make a large (24" by 24") aluminum groundplane for it. Pain in the butt for something you hope to never use. Mine never went off when I had a forced landing, even through the broken axle and groundloop. Good luck with your first flight! Jack Phillips NX899JP DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of slowbilder@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Cdertificate Inspection I received my Airworthiness Ceertificate for my Piet last week. I used a local Designee whose standard charge is $300 plus mileage. When we scheduled the inspection he said that he might have his supervisor along to supervise the inspection. My first thought was that he was liable to be extra picky with his FAA supervisor looking over his shoulder. On the day of the inspection the Designee and the FAA supervisor both showed up. The inspection went quite smoothly. The paperwork was in order, and they did not find any fault with the aircraft other than spotting two nuts that had not been safetied. They did have a few constructive suggestions on minor items. When I received the C of A I got out my checkbook to pay the Designee but he said "I can not charge for a supervised inspection. I have to do supervised inspections periodically to maintain my status and I am not allowed to charge for them." I lucked in on that one.< /DIV> The FAA is pushing the recommendation that homebuilts have ELTs during the test period even though they recognize that the regulations do not require it. I was not going to install one until my time was flown off, but I have gone ahead and purchased one. I think I am going to mount it on the floor of the rear pit, but I have not figured out where the antenna will go. Between the need for more tailwheel time, the weather in Michigan, and my travel schedule, I suspect I will not get my first flight in until Spring, but we shall see. Bob Humbert Battle Creek, MI N491RH _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:51 AM PST US From: Michael Conkling Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 oil filter screen --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Conkling Or check with a Farm Supply store (Tractor Supply, etc.) -- a lot of the old farm machinery had square headed nuts & bolts. Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS Ed G. wrote: > Hi Oscar..Not burst your bubble but for the info of others on the list > with square headed plugs. Eight point sockets for square headed plugs > and cheap hardware bolts are available at Sears/ Craftsman. If you've > ever bought a Craftsman tool set they are those weird looking coarse > toothed sockets that no one ever uses. > Ed G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Oscar Zuniga > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:13 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: A65 oil filter screen > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > > My thanks to whoever it was that suggested inspection of the oil > screen > contents on the A65. I had really not wanted to bugger up the > square head > on the oil screen cover on mine anymore than it already was from > 50+ years > of service, but knew it would have to be taken out for inspection > sooner or > later and every tool in my box was tending to slip on the > corners. So a > machinist friend of mine made me a square-head socket with a 3/8" > adapter so > I could use a standard ratchet on it without further messing up > the corners > of the square head, and also dressed the corners of the cap to > give the new > tool an excellent purchase on all four faces and corners of the > square head. > > Per your suggestions on this great list, I carefully pulled the > screen and > washed it out in a coffee filter with avgas, let the liquid > evaporate, and > found only some minute particles of dust and a few pieces of the > usual > crud... nothing shiny or metallic. This A65 is good to keep > flying, and now > I have a quick and reliable way to pull the screen without > resorting to > measures that knock the corners off the square head again. > > And no, I don't have any of these for sale. It's a one-off piece, > and he > engraved it, "Screw-Off Tool Co." > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > http://www.matp; available via > title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > -========================nbsp; Email List > title=http://wiki.matronics.com/ nbsp; generous > bsp; > title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution ================ > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:23 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Cdertificate Inspection From: Usually a good place for the antenia is right behind the back seat on the turtle deck.Since it's a good idea to put a metal plate under the antenia mount for ground and array dispersal then it's an excellent place to put it.You have to be careful upon entry though so you don't kick it when swinging the leg over if your a tall guy.Since I'm a little fart ,I don't have to worry about that.I have yet to install mine but when I do,that's where it's going. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of slowbilder@comcast.net Sent: October 18, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Cdertificate Inspection I received my Airworthiness Ceertificate for my Piet last week. I used a local Designee whose standard charge is $300 plus mileage. When we scheduled the inspection he said that he might have his supervisor along to supervise the inspection. My first thought was that he was liable to be extra picky with his FAA supervisor looking over his shoulder. On the day of the inspection the Designee and the FAA supervisor both showed up. The inspection went quite smoothly. The paperwork was in order, and they did not find any fault with the aircraft other than spotting two nuts that had not been safetied. They did have a few constructive suggestions on minor items. When I received the C of A I got out my checkbook to pay the Designee but he said "I can not charge for a supervised inspection. I have to do supervised inspections periodically to maintain my status and I am not allowed to charge for them." I lucked in on that one.< /DIV> The FAA is pushing the recommendation that homebuilts have ELTs during the test period even though they recognize that the regulations do not require it. I was not going to install one until my time was flown off, but I have gone ahead and purchased one. I think I am going to mount it on the floor of the rear pit, but I have not figured out where the antenna will go. Between the need for more tailwheel time, the weather in Michigan, and my travel schedule, I suspect I will not get my first flight in until Spring, but we shall see. Bob Humbert Battle Creek, MI N491RH ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Cdertificate Inspection From: Congrats on receiving your endorsement.We look forward to hearing about your flights!You'll really enjoy this bird! ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of slowbilder@comcast.net Sent: October 18, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Cdertificate Inspection I received my Airworthiness Ceertificate for my Piet last week. I used a local Designee whose standard charge is $300 plus mileage. When we scheduled the inspection he said that he might have his supervisor along to supervise the inspection. My first thought was that he was liable to be extra picky with his FAA supervisor looking over his shoulder. On the day of the inspection the Designee and the FAA supervisor both showed up. The inspection went quite smoothly. The paperwork was in order, and they did not find any fault with the aircraft other than spotting two nuts that had not been safetied. They did have a few constructive suggestions on minor items. When I received the C of A I got out my checkbook to pay the Designee but he said "I can not charge for a supervised inspection. I have to do supervised inspections periodically to maintain my status and I am not allowed to charge for them." I lucked in on that one.< /DIV> The FAA is pushing the recommendation that homebuilts have ELTs during the test period even though they recognize that the regulations do not require it. I was not going to install one until my time was flown off, but I have gone ahead and purchased one. I think I am going to mount it on the floor of the rear pit, but I have not figured out where the antenna will go. Between the need for more tailwheel time, the weather in Michigan, and my travel schedule, I suspect I will not get my first flight in until Spring, but we shall see. Bob Humbert Battle Creek, MI N491RH ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:06 AM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: D & S Dimension Wood In a message dated 10/18/2006 10:05:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rgow@avionicsdesign.ca writes: Ah spell checkers. I was sitting with Transport Canada late on night, 4 of them, 6 of us. The were reviewing our reports on a Dash-7. One TCCA eng starts laughing, passes the report to the next person who starts laughing and so on. It was my report. Seems the spell checker didn't know I meant fuel shut-off valve, not shit-off valve. Bob. Hilarious! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:25 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT installation --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" There is a picture of the ELT transmitter, antenna, and COM antenna on 41CC at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/PB300005.JPG Corky constructed the ground plane out of a flat piece of aluminum sheet with upturned edges for stiffening, screwed it to the lower longerons behind the pilot's seat, and installed the COM antenna where it's shown. Please ignore superfluous holes in the aluminum sheet ;o) The coax cable from the COM antenna feeds to the pilot's position through a hole in the seat back when a handheld is in use, otherwise it's coiled up back behind the seat in the helmet bag and both antennas are concealed in the aft fuselage. I moved the ELT from up between the passenger's feet to back on the ground plane and installed the ELT whip antenna on the same ground plane as far from the COM antenna as I could get it and still clear everyting. I realize it isn't optimal, but then again Piet flying is mostly NORDO anyway. The ELT did not activate when the plane nosed over almost two years ago, but I've dutifully replaced the battery with a new one and reinstalled it per Narco's instructions and it tests loud and clear with a whoop-whoop on any nearby radios tuned to 121.5. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:43 PM PST US From: javier cruz Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets near to Tulsa, Ok --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz Hi friends I want to thanks to Jim Markle and his family for that great afternoon, talking about Piets, the Pietenpol listers, engines, etc. after to see for 3 or 4 year just pictures, movies etc. i was a pleasure to see his real Piet and the best , that old Ford A engine running was fantastic..that things are posible for this list..i have the chance for look another project(some years ago) on Santa Rosa, The beutifull Hans Vander Piet , all VERY KIND PEOPLE i hope that some time i have the chance to pay this on Mexico.. By the way, i have a doubt whit the President of TACO, any time that i have to fly to south of Texas i will find him for pay that.. Javier Cruz Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets near to Tulsa, Ok From: amsafetyc@aol.com Javier, I couldn't agree more, Jim, Hans and Chris have all been gracious hosts and interesting people to chat with, they can really get the encouragement going to get building. I cant wait to get started, actually I was thinking about trying to acquire a project and finish someone else's work so I can get flying sooner. Those guys are great, I hope to continue to meet, greet ad spend time with the rest of the piet builders community as I travel around. I can wait to see more, its been an experience so far and an education to say the least for which I too thank them for the time and experience. Jim's model A is a real sweet sounding machine! John -----Original Message----- From: javcr@prodigy.net.mx Sent: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets near to Tulsa, Ok --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: javier cruz Hi friends I want to thanks to Jim Markle and his family for that great afternoon, talking about Piets, the Pietenpol listers, engines, etc. after to see for 3 or 4 year just pictures, movies etc. i was a pleasure to see his real Piet and the best , that old Ford A engine running was fantastic..that things are posible for this list..i have the chance for look another project(some years ago) on Santa Rosa, The beutifull Hans Vander Piet , all VERY KIND PEOPLE i hope that some time i have the chance to pay this on Mexico.. By the way, i have a doubt whit the President of TACO, any time that i have to fly to south of Texas i will find him for pay that.. Javier Cruz Do not archive ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:45 PM PST US From: Mark Blackwell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT installation --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell I used to remember how many G's it took to activate the ELT. Maybe someone still does, but a nose over isn't likely to do it. When adding one make sure its to the new standard. They are surposed to be much more reliable in both activating when they should, and cutting down on the false alarms. If the FAA is encouraging ELT's during the testing, at least this time I agree with them. Though you won't be far from an airport during testing, its also the time frame where the airframe and engine are unproven yet. Be bad to spend the night in your just finished airplane in the middle of a field with a few broken bones, when you could be anywhere in the test area. An airplane as light as the Piet also doesn't necessarily make enough noise when it hits that someone will be assured of hearing the impact if you are any distance from a home. Some advise for testing came from one of the wise pilots you run into in airports. 1 At least a handheld radio 2 Later he added a cell phone is a must have (even though you may not go down where it will work, the odds now are improving that it will) and the more modern ones have a GPS feature that will tell the operator where you are calling from. 3. Make sure you narrow down where you are going in the test area to someone and let them know when you are going to be back. If no one is around to do that, file a VFR local flight plan. You want to make sure someone is on the way as soon as possible. 4. Wear a parachute if at all possible and get some training on how to use it. The most likely times you would need it during proving the structure of the airframe. I know of one accident where the only thing holding the wings on was the fabric and the airplane flew 14 hours before it failed. This is the time a control system failure, structural failure or any of a number of unseen possiblities could leave you with an unflyable airplane. He also recommended that you decide before hand the altitude you need to have to jump and situations that would require you to jump. His face went stone cold for a second then. After searching your soul and you are going to be tempted to try to save the airplane because you built it, spent years working on it, thousands of dollars, and a great deal of pride in it because you built it, then get someone else to test it. You have to be both willing and impartial enough to watch it burn from a parachute harness to really be emotionally detached enough to stay safe. Some people can, and others can't. From the look on his face I suspect he had been to a funeral to prove it but never said. Smart man. Id be interest in the precautions others take in testing their new birds. Oscar Zuniga wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > There is a picture of the ELT transmitter, antenna, and COM antenna on > 41CC at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/PB300005.JPG > > Corky constructed the ground plane out of a flat piece of aluminum > sheet with upturned edges for stiffening, screwed it to the lower > longerons behind the pilot's seat, and installed the COM antenna where > it's shown. Please ignore superfluous holes in the aluminum sheet > ;o) The coax cable from the COM antenna feeds to the pilot's position > through a hole in the seat back when a handheld is in use, otherwise > it's coiled up back behind the seat in the helmet bag and both > antennas are concealed in the aft fuselage. > > I moved the ELT from up between the passenger's feet to back on the > ground plane and installed the ELT whip antenna on the same ground > plane as far from the COM antenna as I could get it and still clear > everyting. I realize it isn't optimal, but then again Piet flying is > mostly NORDO anyway. > > The ELT did not activate when the plane nosed over almost two years > ago, but I've dutifully replaced the battery with a new one and > reinstalled it per Narco's instructions and it tests loud and clear > with a whoop-whoop on any nearby radios tuned to 121.5. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live > Spaces > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:41 PM PST US From: "Chet's Mail" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet project John: I have a fusealoge and all the wing ribs for sale. I purchased a flying Piet from Mrs Don Hicks in Alabama a few months back and have no need for them. Let me know what you have to trade? Also it takes 5G's to set off an ELT. Chet ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet project From: Amsafetyc@aol.com --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Amsafetyc@aol.com Chet, Let's discuss, contact me direct at amsafetyc@aol.com we can exchange info privately. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Chet's Mail" To: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet project John: I have a fusealoge and all the wing ribs for sale. I purchased a flying Piet from Mrs Don Hicks in Alabama a few months back and have no need for them. Let me know what you have to trade? Also it takes 5G's to set off an ELT.