---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/25/06: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:41 AM - Re: plans for door (Robert Gow) 2. 08:37 AM - Carl's Piet projects (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 09:23 AM - 0-235 power (Richard and Kathryn Davis) 4. 09:53 AM - Re: 0-235 power (Rob Stapleton) 5. 09:57 AM - Re: 0-235 power (gbowen@ptialaska.net) 6. 10:59 AM - O-235 (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 12:32 PM - Looking for wood (TJ Brown) 8. 12:49 PM - Re: Looking for wood (HelsperSew@aol.com) 9. 01:05 PM - Re: Looking for wood (Dave Abramson) 10. 01:22 PM - Re: Looking for wood (Phillips, Jack) 11. 02:05 PM - Re: Looking for wood (John Egan) 12. 02:36 PM - Re: Looking for wood (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 13. 04:31 PM - Re: Looking for wood (Glenn Thomas) 14. 04:55 PM - Re: Looking for wood (jimboyer@hughes.net) 15. 06:00 PM - Mag Question (Chet's Mail) 16. 06:09 PM - Phone number for Jim Corder (Hegy Props) (kmordecai001@comcast.net) 17. 08:17 PM - Re: O-235 (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:39 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: plans for door --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Gow" Yes, just follow this link: http://www.geocities.com/keriannprice/Pietenpol_Plan_Packages.html She sels plans for the door and other items for the Piet. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gene Beenenga Sent: October 24, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: plans for door --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gene Beenenga Bob, I must have missed something, I would be interested in seeing or getting a set of plans for the door, can you help? Ken -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Gow >Sent: Oct 19, 2006 4:11 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: plans for door > >I'm sure most of you know, but for the one or two people who e-mailed me, >here is the link to Keri-Ann's plans. > >http://www.geocities.com/keriannprice/Pietenpol_Plan_Packages.html > Bob ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:02 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carl's Piet projects --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" My friend Mark went by Carl's to look at some tools that he bought and found out that the airframes are stored elsewhere so he didn't get any pictures. However, the Ford engine was there and did get some pictures which I've put on my website, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Carls.html I can get more information as needed, but I'm a thousand miles away and it would be better to work directly with Mrs. Vought. I understand that a Piet builder named "Ray", flying out of Hazel Green, AL, has pictures and info on Carl's projects but I don't know how to contact him. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:16 AM PST US From: "Richard and Kathryn Davis" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 power I have seen in the British piet site several 0-235 powered ships,does anyone by chance over here have a set of drawings for this instillation? Currently my wife and I are constructing 2 aircraft one Piet and the Bi plane version designed by Chad Willie. We would love to hear your thoughts and ideas about our choice of power,and hear from other husband and wife build teams out there . Thanks Richard & Kathryn Davis In Tok Alaska ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:28 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 power Richard and Kathryn, To bad you weren't down in Anchorage last night, the EAA Chapter 42 meeting was at my house examining the engine possibilities for use on the Pietenpol that I am building in my garage. My plans have the engine mount for Corvair and Continental engines, but I too am looking at the 0-235 as a possibility. Perhaps someone out there can give us lead about the engine mount and installation details. An FAA DAR here in Anchorage told me that the 0-235 weighs more than the Continental engines in the same category. My question to the list is how much more does the 0-235 weigh than a Corvair retro-fit engine, or are they equal? +/- Due to concerns about carb ice I have pretty much tubed the Corvair idea, although if I was flying in the Lower 48 I probably would go that direction. I plan on converting the Corvair engine anyway for another project after the Piet is flying. Regards, Rob Stapleton -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard and Kathryn Davis Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 power I have seen in the British piet site several 0-235 powered ships,does anyone by chance over here have a set of drawings for this instillation? Currently my wife and I are constructing 2 aircraft one Piet and the Bi plane version designed by Chad Willie. We would love to hear your thoughts and ideas about our choice of power,and hear from other husband and wife build teams out there . Thanks Richard & Kathryn Davis In Tok Alaska ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:12 AM PST US From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 power --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Richard, I have a 0-235 on my Quasi-Piete, works great with heavier pilots. Had to custom make the motor mount. Started with firewall holes and made jig to put the CG of the engine where needed away from holes. Then using jig that set the distance from firewall to CG fabricated the motor mounts cups on engine, using 4130 steel 5/8". 035 thickness made all the runs between the firewall mounts and the engine mounts. Finally cross braced and gusseted so didn't interfere with placements of stuff on accessory case of engine. Maybe have plane in Homer Ak next summer but now it's in FL. Gordon Bowen Original Message: ----------------- From: Richard and Kathryn Davis kbrooks@aptalaska.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 power I have seen in the British piet site several 0-235 powered ships,does anyone by chance over here have a set of drawings for this instillation? Currently my wife and I are constructing 2 aircraft one Piet and the Bi plane version designed by Chad Willie. We would love to hear your thoughts and ideas about our choice of power,and hear from other husband and wife build teams out there . Thanks Richard & Kathryn Davis In Tok Alaska -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:37 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: O-235 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" I'd be real surprised if somebody hasn't already hung a Lyc O-235 on a Piet somewhere. My understanding is that they run about 240 lbs. whereas there is a post in the archives about a Piet with an EA-81 Subaru with redrive that weighed about 250 all-up, and there is plenty of documentation to show that the Corvair in flying trim will weigh about 240, so the Lyc seems to be in the same weight class. What does that Rotec Radial weigh? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:51 PM PST US From: TJ Brown Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wood Hi guys Where can I buy the wood to get started? I have sent 3 emails to Aircraft Spruce and haven't received a response, I called customer service and waited 20 minutes to speak to someone and they said they would check on the wood and prices and call me back but they haven't. That was 2 days ago and now I do not want to deal with them unless I have to. Thanks for any help! TJ Brown ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:32 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wood TJ, I bought all my spruce from A/C Spruce You need to get one of their catalogs and start making a list. You will need to give them a little time to cut the pieces you ordered. The only pieces that took much time were the 1" x 4-3/4" x 15' spar pieces. But I think I had everything in about 3 weeks or a month. I have found A/C Spruce to be a good and reliable source. I know Wick's here in Illinois has spruce also that you can order out of their catalog, but I myself have to pay Illinois sales tax, so I avoid them only for that reason. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:52 PM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wood Hi TJ, I have found it best to fax Aircraft Spruce with my orders. If you call early you will get through right away. Mondays are really tough to get through. I have bought all my wood through them with no problems, and they have always cut and shipped within the week. Cheers, Dave DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of TJ Brown Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wood Hi guys Where can I buy the wood to get started? I have sent 3 emails to Aircraft Spruce and haven't received a response, I called customer service and waited 20 minutes to speak to someone and they said they would check on the wood and prices and call me back but they haven't. That was 2 days ago and now I do not want to deal with them unless I have to. Thanks for any help! TJ Brown ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:50 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wood From: "Phillips, Jack" I used both Aircraft Spruce and Wicks for my wood. I got good product from each of them, but found Wicks much more responsive. Prices are roughly equal between them. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:49 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wood TJ, I bought all my spruce from A/C Spruce You need to get one of their catalogs and start making a list. You will need to give them a little time to cut the pieces you ordered. The only pieces that took much time were the 1" x 4-3/4" x 15' spar pieces. But I think I had everything in about 3 weeks or a month. I have found A/C Spruce to be a good and reliable source. I know Wick's here in Illinois has spruce also that you can order out of their catalog, but I myself have to pay Illinois sales tax, so I avoid them only for that reason. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:50 PM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wood Hi guys Where can I buy the wood to get started? TJ Brown TJ, and the Aircraft Spruce website is: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/index.html There's McCormick Lumber in Madison, Wisconsin (608-244-4741 - $8.50 per board foot), and there's Condon Lumber in Stormville, New York. Good Luck. --------------------------------- Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:35 PM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wood http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=02-04700 shows a GN1 spruce kit, (no ply) not the exactly the same thing but close and gives you an idea cost. this list includes the spar stock (items 19 &20) Back when they listed a Piet spruce kit the spar stock was not included and the price reflected this. michael silvius scarborough, maine ----- Original Message ----- From: TJ Brown To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wood Hi guys Where can I buy the wood to get started? I have sent 3 emails to Aircraft Spruce and haven't received a response, I called customer service and waited 20 minutes to speak to someone and they said they would check on the wood and prices and call me back but they haven't. That was 2 days ago and now I do not want to deal with them unless I have to. Thanks for any help! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for wood From: "Glenn Thomas" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Glenn Thomas" I ordered my rib capstrip, some 1/2 X 1/2 spruce and Finnish Birch plywood from Aircraft Spruce and after a more than a reasonable number of exchanges got them to replace 1/3 of the capstrip in my order. Also, they have a warehouse in Georgia and one in California. If you go with them make sure your order ships from the closer of the 2 (they originally tried to send my order from CA and when I straightened that out saved about $50 in shipping). The other 2 wood plane builders in my area swear by Wicks and that will probably be where I get the rest of my supplies. When I was trying to figure out how to deal with this a few others reported similar experiences with them. An example of the capstrip I received ... http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?page=8&filter=0 They didn't appear motivated to help me until I sent them that link and they saw that the site seemed fairly active. It's really a shame when it comes to that! I wouldn't be so sour on them if they simply replaced the wood no questions asked. But I too left many unanswered calls and was told I would be contacted and never was. I think they're probably OK for stuff other than wood but the long wait and the low quality is something you don't have to worry about with Wicks. (from what I'm told) -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70217#70217 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:40 PM PST US From: "jimboyer@hughes.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wood Hi TJ Go to your local lumberyard and pick up/select douglas fir and use it. It is stronger, easy to work and only about 20% heavier and since wood is a small part of the Piet it only adds about 25 pounds. It is also about 25% the cost of spruce. My two cents; my Piet is all Doug Fir. Cheers, Jim ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:41 PM PST US From: "Chet's Mail" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mag Question I have a Ford Model A engine with a Slick mag model number 4032 left hand with a serial number 401006. I need a cross referance list number for a replacement mag. Also the number 3 on the data plate looks to have been changed. I would like to know what types of mags others have used on there Ford model A engines. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Chet Hartley Holts Summit, MO ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:59 PM PST US From: kmordecai001@comcast.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Phone number for Jim Corder (Hegy Props) Hi Pieters, Does anyone have Jim Corder's phone number (of Hegy prop fame)? I've found several old references on the 'net that sounds like he moved from Marfa to somewhere else, & I can't find a current email address or phone number. Have a beautiful 72 x 42 Hegy on the A-75, turns 2150-2200 on climbout and tops out at 2400, so this prop is better suited for the A-65. I'd like to get the rpm's up around 2400-2500 on climbout so it will run like the A-75 that it is. Thanks in advance, Dave Mordecai Panacea, FL NX520SF

Hi Pieters,

Does anyone have Jim Corder's phone number (of Hegy prop fame)?  I've found several old references on the 'net that sounds like he moved from Marfa to somewhere else, & I can't find a current email address or phone number.

Have a beautiful 72 x 42 Hegy on the A-75, turns 2150-2200 on climbout and tops out at 2400, so this prop is better suited for the A-65. I'd like to get the rpm's up around 2400-2500 on climbout so it will run like the A-75 that it is.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Mordecai

Panacea, FL

NX520SF




________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:27 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson there was one around here many years ago with a Shaky Jake on it. The guy flew it for years then got into other projects. According to my Fliers and Gliders manual the A weighs 244 lb flight ready so these higher HP engines coupled to a higher max gross weight should be a much better deal. Especially if one doesn't have to move wings and things too much. Clif Subject: Pietenpol-List: O-235 > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > I'd be real surprised if somebody hasn't already hung a Lyc O-235 on a > Piet somewhere. My understanding is that they run about 240 lbs. whereas > there is a post in the archives about a Piet with an EA-81 Subaru with > redrive that weighed about 250 all-up, and there is plenty of > documentation to show that the Corvair in flying trim will weigh about > 240, so the Lyc seems to be in the same weight class. >