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1. 06:24 AM - Brodhead fly-in 2007 (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 07:14 AM - Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol (edwinljohnson@bellsouth.net)
3. 08:44 AM - Re: Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol (DJ Vegh)
4. 12:36 PM - Magnetic compass - location (John Egan)
5. 01:18 PM - Re: Magnetic compass - location (Phillips, Jack)
6. 01:37 PM - Re: Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol (Steve Ruse)
7. 01:40 PM - Re: Brodhead fly-in 2007 (Bill Church)
8. 01:40 PM - Magnetic compass (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
9. 02:05 PM - Magnetic compass (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
10. 03:06 PM - Re: Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol (DJ Vegh)
11. 05:19 PM - Re: Magnetic compass (Mark Blackwell)
12. 06:03 PM - Re: Magnetic compass (gcardinal)
13. 07:03 PM - Magnetic compass (Oscar Zuniga)
14. 08:55 PM - A Pietenpol at Vimy Ridge? (Shawn Wolk)
15. 09:03 PM - Re: A Pietenpol at Vimy Ridge? (Scott Knowlton)
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| Subject: | Brodhead fly-in 2007 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Shad wrote-
>Dad is looking for local shop to machine the threads in a new safety shaft
>and thread the crankshaft for the safety shaft. Before all the machine
>work
>he is going to get a magnaflux inspection on the crank. After all the
>inspection
>work is done we will hopefully have it ready to go again
Don't forget to plan on having the crank nitrided. After all the
inspections and threading the nose, and after having the journals ground if
you're going to do that. After the nitriding you don't want to do any
further machining of the crank... should only need a polishing after you get
it back from the nitrider.
And in case you hadn't seen the alternative method of securing the hub to
the shaft, in lieu of the safety shaft, you can machine a groove for a snap
ring to retain it. Details are available at http://www.corvaircraft.com ,
go to the last link, "Sub Projects", then "Charlie Johnson's Alternative to
the Safety Shaft". William has seen this method and says this: "Every motor
that goes out of my shop gets a safety shaft. A handful of people are using
a secondary method called the snap ring. Both of these are well outlined in
the Conversion Manual." If you have one of William's manuals, the snap ring
method should be described in there.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: edwinljohnson@bellsouth.net
Hello Mike,
Hope you are doing well.
Thought I might make a comment after hearing the discussion regarding the
Pietenpol at Reklaw. I was there with my Maule, as I am most years.
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
> <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> You guys know that I've made very supportive comments on behalf of the
> GN-1 (and even flown one that was quite nice....but heavy) but I find
> it annoying that a guy would plaster a logo on the side of something
> that is not/was not designed by Bernard Pietenpol. In some
Did you look carefully at that logo? I had to take a second look for it
says 'Pietenpol Inspired'.
I talked with the owner, who is a Southwest Airlines pilot (hence the SW
Airlines on the tail) who hangers the plane, I believe, at Buford which is
a small private strip south of Lufkin.
He bought the plane already built from the widow of the builder and has
tried to research it but hasn't gleaned too much information. The widow
didn't know a whole lot about the plane. I ask him about the landing gear,
which looked like the J3 sort of bungies under boots, similiar to what
some Grega builders might use. But the wings had the under camber like a
Piet and _not_ flat like the J3 wing. So rather a combination of ideas.
He was flying along with someone with a J3 from that same area, I presume.
That's about all the info I found out about it and he left shortly
afterwards. Believe that was Sunday morning that I had the conversation.
...Edwin
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| Subject: | Re: Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
I've seen this GN-1 and I can say that the current owner bought it this way.
The builder is the one who put the logo on there.... but the only reference
I recall to it being advertised at a Piet was the "1929" text next to the
Aircamper logo. I don't remember there being any "Pietenpol" lettering
anywhere when I saw it.
as a matter of "small worldness", that GN-1 used to sit parked in a hangar
right next to the '46 Tcraft I just bought 2 weeks ago and had ferried from
Indiana. as for "Pietenpols" on Barnstormers... you almost have to list
them under that category because there is no "Grega" search selection that I
have been able to find.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
> You guys know that I've made very supportive comments on behalf of the
> GN-1 (and even flown one that
> was quite nice....but heavy) but I find it annoying that a guy would
> plaster a logo on the side of
> something that is not/was not designed by Bernard Pietenpol. In some
> cases buyers or builders don't know
> that there is a difference between the two designs so if this is the
> case with this yellow steel tube Grega
> GN-1 then so be it, but otherwise it is a sham like the people who
> advertise "Pietenpols" in Barnstormers or
> on Ebay that are not Pietenpol designs.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Magnetic compass - location |
Hello all,
I'd like to learn more about where best to mount a magnetic compass in my Piet
project. Remember, I am not a flyer yet, so my experience is limited. I see
some nicely laid out panels with the compass sandwiched in the center of a cluster
of instruments. Does this cluster affect the compass? Is "magnetic deviation"
only relative to the earth or is it relative to the other instruments?
Those vertical card compasses look handy, any thoughts on those compared to
a traditional magnetic compass? Would it be better to mount a compass under
the wing away from the panel? I'm thinking that the instruments will always affect
the compass in the same manner, so as long as a person figures out the deviation,
they're good, but I'm not sure.
I would like to learn from the group now. I hope this is considered a "Pietenpol
related" question. If not, please do not respond, I understand.
Thank you all,
John
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| Subject: | Magnetic compass - location |
Excellent question, John.
Deviation is the accumulation of effects of various magnetic components
in the airplane on the performance of the compass. Variation is casued
by the difference between magnetic north and true north and varies
around the country. See:
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-65189/AP_html/compass.htm
Putting various instruments near the compass may make for some strong
deviations (although nothing like the deviations in a steel tube
structured airplane), which mean you'll have to rely more on your
compass deviation card ("...for East steer 060 degrees", etc), so it is
not advisable to put a lot of steel materials near the compass. Most
aircraft instruments don't have a great deal of steel in their
construction, but it is good practice to mount all instruments near the
compass with brass or aluminum hardware.
When swinging the compass, it is important to have the engine running
and the radios (if any) on. Otherwise the readings will vary in flight.
One peculiarity of the Pietenpol is that since the structure is wood,
there is not much magnetic interference, with the steel tube joystick a
MAJOR exception. When swinging your compass, be sure the stick is
centered in the level flight position. Try moving the stick around from
stop to stop and see what it does to the compass. My compass is in the
top of my instrument panel and by carefully moving the joystick I can
make the compass spin a complete circle.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Egan
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:36 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Magnetic compass - location
Hello all,
I'd like to learn more about where best to mount a magnetic
compass in my Piet project. Remember, I am not a flyer yet, so my
experience is limited. I see some nicely laid out panels with the
compass sandwiched in the center of a cluster of instruments. Does this
cluster affect the compass? Is "magnetic deviation" only relative to
the earth or is it relative to the other instruments? Those vertical
card compasses look handy, any thoughts on those compared to a
traditional magnetic compass? Would it be better to mount a compass
under the wing away from the panel? I'm thinking that the instruments
will always affect the compass in the same manner, so as long as a
person figures out the deviation, they're good, but I'm not sure.
I would like to learn from the group now. I hope this is
considered a "Pietenpol related" question. If not, please do not
respond, I understand.
Thank you all,
John
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| Subject: | Re: Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
DJ,
Regarding the former Indiana GN-1, are you sure you aren't thinking
about my GN-1 that was next to the '46 Tcraft? I bought my yellow
GN-1 from a guy in South Bend that I believe your uncle knows. I'm
just curious if the Reklaw GN-1 used to be at the same field with my
GN-1...if so its interesting to me that they both eventually made it
to Texas from the same field in Indiana (although mine is now in
Oklahoma).
Steve
Norman, OK
Do not archive
Quoting DJ Vegh <dj@veghdesign.com>:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
>
> I've seen this GN-1 and I can say that the current owner bought it this way.
> The builder is the one who put the logo on there.... but the only reference
> I recall to it being advertised at a Piet was the "1929" text next to the
> Aircamper logo. I don't remember there being any "Pietenpol" lettering
> anywhere when I saw it.
>
> as a matter of "small worldness", that GN-1 used to sit parked in a hangar
> right next to the '46 Tcraft I just bought 2 weeks ago and had ferried from
> Indiana. as for "Pietenpols" on Barnstormers... you almost have to list
> them under that category because there is no "Grega" search selection that I
> have been able to find.
>
> DJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:48 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol
>
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
> <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>>
>>
>> You guys know that I've made very supportive comments on behalf of the
>> GN-1 (and even flown one that
>> was quite nice....but heavy) but I find it annoying that a guy would
>> plaster a logo on the side of
>> something that is not/was not designed by Bernard Pietenpol. In some
>> cases buyers or builders don't know
>> that there is a difference between the two designs so if this is the
>> case with this yellow steel tube Grega
>> GN-1 then so be it, but otherwise it is a sham like the people who
>> advertise "Pietenpols" in Barnstormers or
>> on Ebay that are not Pietenpol designs.
>>
>> Mike C.
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| Subject: | Brodhead fly-in 2007 |
Shad,
The Brodhead fly-in is traditionally held the weekend (Friday, Saturday,
and a little bit of Sunday) before Oshkosh opens.
In 2007, Oshkosh is scheduled for July 23-29 (according to the EAA
website), so the Brodhead Pietenpol gathering would logically fall on
July 20, 21, 22. But I just checked the Brodhead EAA chapter website
http://www.eaa431.org/ and there are no events listed for 2007 yet.
maybe if you contacted them directly someone may be able to give a more
definitive answer.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Magnetic compass |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
I put my compass in the center top of the panel. I didn't put a mounting
tab for the cockpit combing above it because it might interfere with the
compass. I haven't flown yet. I hope it works. Be sure to use non
magnetic brass screws to mount your compass. Leon S.
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| Subject: | Magnetic compass |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Leon-- I mounted my compass in my inst. panel in the center/high and
used STAINLESS X cables in the
cabane bays just ahead of my seat and the passenger seat. Galvanized
cable can make it more difficult to
swing your compass I imagine.
Also---for what it is worth, the only time I used to use my compass was
PRE-gps days on x-countries just to
hold a heading. Most times though I still use a distant water tower or
smoke from a smoke stack to keep the
nose pointed in the right direction on a x-country....or just look at
the gps. Spoiled I am, downright
spoiled.
Still can claim though I made two round trips to Oshkosh using nothing
but sectional charts in 98 and 99.
Worked just fine.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
I must be confused as I know your GN-1 is yellow and has the aircamper decal
on the side. Yours is the one I am thinking of although now that I am
re-thinking yours is not steel tube is it? ahh hell I'm lost now.
reminds me of a joke....
"two GN-1's fly into a bar... one asks the bartender......."
DJ Vegh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Ruse
<steve@wotelectronics.com>
>
> DJ,
>
> Regarding the former Indiana GN-1, are you sure you aren't thinking
> about my GN-1 that was next to the '46 Tcraft? I bought my yellow
> GN-1 from a guy in South Bend that I believe your uncle knows. I'm
> just curious if the Reklaw GN-1 used to be at the same field with my
> GN-1...if so its interesting to me that they both eventually made it
> to Texas from the same field in Indiana (although mine is now in
> Oklahoma).
>
> Steve
> Norman, OK
>
> Do not archive
>
> Quoting DJ Vegh <dj@veghdesign.com>:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
> >
> > I've seen this GN-1 and I can say that the current owner bought it this
way.
> > The builder is the one who put the logo on there.... but the only
reference
> > I recall to it being advertised at a Piet was the "1929" text next to
the
> > Aircamper logo. I don't remember there being any "Pietenpol" lettering
> > anywhere when I saw it.
> >
> > as a matter of "small worldness", that GN-1 used to sit parked in a
hangar
> > right next to the '46 Tcraft I just bought 2 weeks ago and had ferried
from
> > Indiana. as for "Pietenpols" on Barnstormers... you almost have to list
> > them under that category because there is no "Grega" search selection
that I
> > have been able to find.
> >
> > DJ
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:48 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grega at Reklaw Texas, not a Pietenpol
> >
> >
> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D.
(GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
> > <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> >>
> >>
> >> You guys know that I've made very supportive comments on behalf of the
> >> GN-1 (and even flown one that
> >> was quite nice....but heavy) but I find it annoying that a guy would
> >> plaster a logo on the side of
> >> something that is not/was not designed by Bernard Pietenpol. In some
> >> cases buyers or builders don't know
> >> that there is a difference between the two designs so if this is the
> >> case with this yellow steel tube Grega
> >> GN-1 then so be it, but otherwise it is a sham like the people who
> >> advertise "Pietenpols" in Barnstormers or
> >> on Ebay that are not Pietenpol designs.
> >>
> >> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Magnetic compass |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Mark Blackwell <markb1958@verizon.net>
The vertical card compass is also nice. It dampens some of the natural
bouncing and is much more intuitive to read. Though not cheap, without
a gyro system I would think hard about using one. You get used to
either, but it takes some conditioning to see the number you want to be
at on the left of the line and then turn right to get there.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Magnetic compass |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Mike,
How did you manage sectionals in your Piet?
I've tried using them in NX18235 and find it impossible.
Greg Cardinal
> Still can claim though I made two round trips to Oshkosh using nothing
> but sectional charts in 98 and 99.
> Worked just fine.
>
> Mike C.
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| Subject: | Magnetic compass |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Greg asked Mikee-
>How did you manage sectionals in your Piet?
>I've tried using them in NX18235 and find it impossible.
He was referring to his "moving map" sectional on the large-tablet-screen
PDA strapped to his kneeboard, not to one of those antiquated folded paper
sectionals ;o) Didn't you know Mike is a NASA engineer and wouldn't be
without a glass cockpit, even in his Piet?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | A Pietenpol at Vimy Ridge? |
I'll be filling in the details after we are done. My very old 1933
Pietenpol is going to be used in a Canadian film re-inacting the Battle
of Vimy Ridge in WW1.
We start filming this weekend and it should be quite an experience. The
aircraft will be depicting the role of reconnaissance aircraft in the
spotting of the German artillery and defenses in this historic battle.
It is to air on History Channel (I have no idea if you get it in the
USA) on April, 09, 2007. On the 89th anniversary of this campaign.
It will certainly be a lot different flying in ths battle....no one
will be trying to shoot me down.
Shawn Wolk
C-FRAZ
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| Subject: | A Pietenpol at Vimy Ridge? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Scott Knowlton" <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
Shawn. Is this being filmed somewhere in Ontario? I would be very
interested in seeing the production and your Pietenpol.
>From: "Shawn Wolk" <shawnwolk@can.rogers.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol at Vimy Ridge?
>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:55:15 -0600
>
> I'll be filling in the details after we are done. My very old 1933
>Pietenpol is going to be used in a Canadian film re-inacting the Battle of
>Vimy Ridge in WW1.
>We start filming this weekend and it should be quite an experience. The
>aircraft will be depicting the role of reconnaissance aircraft in the
>spotting of the German artillery and defenses in this historic battle. It
>is to air on History Channel (I have no idea if you get it in the USA) on
>April, 09, 2007. On the 89th anniversary of this campaign.
>
> It will certainly be a lot different flying in ths battle....no one
>will be trying to shoot me down.
>
>Shawn Wolk
>C-FRAZ
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