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0. 12:13 AM - Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] (Matt Dralle)
2. 06:09 AM - mag compass (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 06:36 AM - good discussion (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
4. 06:56 AM - Re: Motor mount question (Rick Holland)
5. 07:25 AM - Re: flight planning (edwinljohnson@bellsouth.net)
6. 07:33 AM - Re: good discussion (Eric Williams)
7. 09:00 AM - Re: Motor mount question (Ed G.)
8. 10:22 AM - Re: mag compass (jbfjr)
9. 12:04 PM - Re: Motor mount question (Rick Holland)
10. 12:45 PM - Re: Motor mount question (walt evans)
11. 01:30 PM - Re: Motor mount question (Rick Holland)
12. 01:35 PM - Re: Motor mount question (Dave Abramson)
13. 01:56 PM - Re: Motor mount question (DJ Vegh)
14. 02:48 PM - Re: Motor mount question (walt evans)
15. 02:48 PM - Re: Motor mount question (walt evans)
16. 02:50 PM - Re: mag compass (Dale Johnson)
17. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: flight planning ()
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| Subject: | Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the Matronics
Email Lists system. Here's how it works...
During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a Contribution
to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a
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of that year?
Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone that makes
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the rest of the year!
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Dale offered-
>It's easy to degauss the stick by passing a magnetic field over the stick
>and then moving it away.
Give me a clue as to where I can find a suitable magnetic field. Would a
Harbor Freight-type magnet work (100 lb. pull "retrieving magnet" for $4.99)
or does it need to be stronger ($14.99 for a 250 lb. pull magnet), or maybe
the coil off of an old TV tube?
And I've never demagnetized a screwdriver... thought it was useful to have
it be able to hold screws while I started them.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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One thing I enjoy about this group is that as a pilot you can never know
too much or be too prepared for any flight and the
various points of views we are able to express in this forum help me to
keep an open mind---or consider variables and factors
I hadn't previously. With Mark's experiences at night and with an
electrical system the level of possible trouble goes up several
fold and you have to be ready or at least thinking about 'what ifs'.
All good points being made here and good food for consideration.
The closed airport issue is something I hadn't thought about but
certainly a possible cause to use an alternate. Landing at Clow
International (a small suburban Chicago GA airport) enroute to Wisconsin
I found the asphalt runway to be old, faded, and a bit
bumpy but a week later coming home it had been perfectly repaved with
jet black asphalt and bright new white markings----I'm sure
in the intervening days of my two stops that this airport was closed and
would have required a diversion. One nice thing about flying
here near Cleveland is that you really never even have to worry about
carrying a sectional in day vfr flying since Lake Erie always
points north:)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Motor mount question |
One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig
to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack
welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the firewall
fittings?
Rick
On 11/5/06, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Rick,
> My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8,
> and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to.
> Ain't Life Grand!
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
> Ben Franklin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
>
> Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about the
> four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the Continental
> and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees and
> welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as Bernard
> did it?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Rick Holland
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: flight planning |
Hello to all,
>
> The whole thing has to be folded, but pilots did that long before anyone
> ever thought of a handheld GPS in open cockpit airplanes. Could be on
> lap boards, could be a lot of ways all of which different people would
> want different ways. A pre fold would be smart, and yes it would take
OK, guys it's almost with amusement I see how many posts can be made for
map reading in the Piet. There is one which no one has mentioned and might
be of interest and will be #2 below.
1. One of the first things I taught my students was how to fold a map and
use it in the cockpit prior to cross country instruction. I taught them
how I folded my maps which I even did on high altitude IFR cross countries
(we always had the WAC charts with us when someone wanted to know which
city, river, etc. and for our pleasure).
I made a lap board long ago which is 11"x10" out of a cookie baking sheet.
If you fold a sectional leaving two sections exposed, it measures 10"x10".
You simply unfold it to the two sections which reflect you position and
going toward your destination. Many times you must make the fold backwards
from its original fold direction and you must even, at times, fold
vertical about half way down a section. But the result is always a square
10"x10". Of course you refold as you leave the exposed area. I found this
no problem at all in the Piet and lost no maps. :)
Incidentally, if you use two maps (You _did_, of course mark the track
already on the map, didn't you?), simply prefold the second map to the
place where it will start. It's easy to fold to the next section but not
so easy in the Piet to find that on the whole map with all that air
rushing around!
Now this works beautifully in the Piet, _except_ that the lap board would
not fit in the middle because of lack of room in the Piet and I had to put
it to the side. A knee support might be better in this case. But the point
is you have the complete sectional available but your view area is never
more than 10"x10".
Some of my students, much to my chagrin, like to turn the map upside down
so it appeared as they were heading 'up' the map and left was left, etc.
(I always just reversed directions in my head if the track led down the
map, so I could read all the little writing easily.), and that was fine.
But I just gave hints that always worked for me and some of the students
followed them. Incidentally, I still use this method.
2. Now the idea no one has mentioned requires either membership to the
EAA, which most are, are a subscription to the Aero Planner -
www.aeroplanner.com - website. Your EAA membership gives you free access
to their Basic Flight Planner. If you plan a trip with it, you can view
and print each page of the Basic Trip Tick, which is a part of the
sectional with your route. You can also, at a cost of I believe $4.95,
download the ZipTick which contains all of the maps in a zipped package.
This may or may not appeal as an option. The strips are somewhat narrow
but in some cases you can orientate the printout as vertical or
horizontal. At any rate if you simply print each little map, it is free.
...Edwin
____________________________________________________________
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turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to
return."-da Vinci http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/d/edwinljohnson
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Mike,
I agree, good discussion. The "closed airport" scenario actually happened
to me on my very first cross-country flight in my 150. We were flying it
back to Florida from Houston and the weather was deteriorating over
Louisiana. We arrived at the intended refueling airport only to look down
and find big yellow X's on both ends of the only runway.
Out came the chart to find an alternate (which we should already have done)
and we headed for that one. Well the weather went to crap about halfway
there and there we were flying circles outside of Baton Rouge's class C
airspace calling approach control to get clearance to land since they were
the only airport nearby and we were geting low on fuel.
It was then that I discovered the radio didn't work. Other airplanes could
hear me transmit within a mile or so but the tower couldn't hear me at all.
The stress meter was going up quickly as the cloud ceiling and visibility
were rapidly going down.
Finally another airplane heard my radio calls and relayed them to approach
control for me and they cleared me in while having me hit the ident button
after every instruction so they could tell if I understood them.
First purchase I made upon getting home?... a new handheld radio for a
backup com.
Eric
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: good discussion
>Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:35:28 -0600
>
>One thing I enjoy about this group is that as a pilot you can never know
>too much or be too prepared for any flight and the
>various points of views we are able to express in this forum help me to
>keep an open mind---or consider variables and factors
>I hadn't previously. With Mark's experiences at night and with an
>electrical system the level of possible trouble goes up several
>fold and you have to be ready or at least thinking about 'what ifs'.
>All good points being made here and good food for consideration.
>The closed airport issue is something I hadn't thought about but
>certainly a possible cause to use an alternate. Landing at Clow
>International (a small suburban Chicago GA airport) enroute to Wisconsin
>I found the asphalt runway to be old, faded, and a bit
>bumpy but a week later coming home it had been perfectly repaved with
>jet black asphalt and bright new white markings----I'm sure
>in the intervening days of my two stops that this airport was closed and
>would have required a diversion. One nice thing about flying
>here near Cleveland is that you really never even have to worry about
>carrying a sectional in day vfr flying since Lake Erie always
>points north:)
>
>Mike C.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motor mount question |
Hi Rick..If you don't finish weld it in a good stiff jig the welds will pull
it all out of shape as they cool. I built my jig out of 4" channel iron, did
my finish welding and it still sprung slightly when I pulled it out of the
jig in spite of passing the torch over the finished welds so they cooled
very slowly.
Tony Bingelis states that a mount which is finish welded without a jig will
distort by as much as 3/8".......Ed G.
>From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
>Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:55:30 -0700
>
>One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig
>to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack
>welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the
>firewall
>fittings?
>
>Rick
>
>On 11/5/06, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Rick,
>>My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8,
>>and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to.
>>Ain't Life Grand!
>>walt evans
>>NX140DL
>>
>>"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
>>Ben Franklin
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>*From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>>*To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>*Sent:* Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM
>>*Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
>>
>>Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about the
>>four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the
>>Continental
>>and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees and
>>welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as
>>Bernard
>>did it?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>--
>>Rick Holland
>>
>>"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>>
>>*
>>
>>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
>>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
>>href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com
>>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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>>
>
>
>--
>Rick Holland
>
>"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Oscar,
Back in the '70's I built a Heathkit TV that came with a De-
Gaussing coil; it was needed to remove stray magnetism that would
foul up the colors on the screen. There are several similar ones
available on the web, this one is fairly cheap:
http://www.starkelectronic.com/gc9317.htm
Or, there are links showing how to make a homemade one. Don't
know for sure, but I wouldn't think you'd want to get it too close
to your compass.
Regards,
John Franklin
Richmond, TX
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Dale offered-
>
>>It's easy to degauss the stick by passing a magnetic field over
the stick
>>and then moving it away.
>
>Give me a clue as to where I can find a suitable magnetic field.
Would a
>Harbor Freight-type magnet work (100 lb. pull "retrieving magnet"
for $4.99)
>or does it need to be stronger ($14.99 for a 250 lb. pull
magnet), or maybe
>the coil off of an old TV tube?
>
>And I've never demagnetized a screwdriver... thought it was
useful to have
>it be able to hold screws while I started them.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Motor mount question |
Sounds like the jig should be built possibly with an extra 1/8" inch or so
of height and width.
Rick
On 11/6/06, Ed G. <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Rick..If you don't finish weld it in a good stiff jig the welds will
> pull
> it all out of shape as they cool. I built my jig out of 4" channel iron,
> did
> my finish welding and it still sprung slightly when I pulled it out of the
> jig in spite of passing the torch over the finished welds so they cooled
> very slowly.
> Tony Bingelis states that a mount which is finish welded without a jig
> will
> distort by as much as 3/8".......Ed G.
>
> >From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
> >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:55:30 -0700
> >
> >One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a
> jig
> >to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack
> >welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the
> >firewall
> >fittings?
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >On 11/5/06, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rick,
> >>My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8,
> >>and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to.
> >>Ain't Life Grand!
> >>walt evans
> >>NX140DL
> >>
> >>"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
> >>Ben Franklin
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>*From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> >>*To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>*Sent:* Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM
> >>*Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
> >>
> >>Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about
> the
> >>four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the
> >>Continental
> >>and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees
> and
> >>welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as
> >>Bernard
> >>did it?
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>--
> >>Rick Holland
> >>
> >>"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
> >>
> >>*
> >>
> >>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
> >>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
> >>href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com
> >>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
> >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> >>*
> >>
> >>*
> >>
> >>
> >>*
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >Rick Holland
> >
> >"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Motor mount question |
Rick,
I took exact measurements of the firewall fitting dimensions, and made a
jig that held the firewall mating "teardrop" fittings on that end and it
held the engine side flange fittings. Laid all this out using a square,
plumb bob, and ruler, etc. The final had some slight distortion, but
with very light pressure it fit right on.
Do expect some scortching and battle damage to the jig.
He's a pic.
I think I still have the jig around if you have any interest in it.
(I built the long fuselage ) Let me know and I'll look for it.
Oh yeah, I extented the mount 1 3/4", cause I'm 220# and I still had to
move the wing back
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a
jig to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to
tack welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the
firewall fittings?
Rick
On 11/5/06, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
Rick,
My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental
A65-8, and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed
to.
Ain't Life Grand!
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question
about the four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per
the Continental and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps
bent 90 degrees and welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?,
best to do it as Bernard did it?
Thanks
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Motor mount question |
Walt, I built my fuselage two inches wider so your jig wouldn't work but
thanks for the offer. Good to know that I can use 2x6 wood or angle iron for
the jig (since I have plenty of scrap wood laying around).
Rick
On 11/6/06, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Rick,
> I took exact measurements of the firewall fitting dimensions, and made a
> jig that held the firewall mating "teardrop" fittings on that end and it
> held the engine side flange fittings. Laid all this out using a square,
> plumb bob, and ruler, etc. The final had some slight distortion, but with
> very light pressure it fit right on.
> Do expect some scortching and battle damage to the jig.
> He's a pic.
> I think I still have the jig around if you have any interest in it.
> (I built the long fuselage ) Let me know and I'll look for it.
> Oh yeah, I extented the mount 1 3/4", cause I'm 220# and I still had to
> move the wing back
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
> Ben Franklin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, November 06, 2006 9:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
>
> One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig
> to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack
> welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the firewall
> fittings?
>
> Rick
>
> On 11/5/06, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > Rick,
> > My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8,
> > and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to.
> > Ain't Life Grand!
> > walt evans
> > NX140DL
> >
> > "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
> > Ben Franklin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
> >
> > Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about
> > the four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the
> > Continental and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90
> > degrees and welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do
> > it as Bernard did it?
> >
> > Thanks
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Hi Walt,
I am still building my fuselage, and have my wing ribs built, but I am
wondering how you move the wing back. Do you have to make new brackets,
or ??? Thanks!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt evans
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
Rick,
I took exact measurements of the firewall fitting dimensions, and made a jig
that held the firewall mating "teardrop" fittings on that end and it held
the engine side flange fittings. Laid all this out using a square, plumb
bob, and ruler, etc. The final had some slight distortion, but with very
light pressure it fit right on.
Do expect some scortching and battle damage to the jig.
He's a pic.
I think I still have the jig around if you have any interest in it.
(I built the long fuselage ) Let me know and I'll look for it.
Oh yeah, I extented the mount 1 3/4", cause I'm 220# and I still had to
move the wing back
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig
to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack
welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the firewall
fittings?
Rick
On 11/5/06, walt evans < waltdak@verizon.net <mailto:waltdak@verizon.net> >
wrote:
Rick,
My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8, and
his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to.
Ain't Life Grand!
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about the
four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the Continental
and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees and
welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as Bernard
did it?
Thanks
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I used a .50" thick steel plate as a base and 1" angle iron to build my
jig. It resisted warping but not entirely.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
Walt, I built my fuselage two inches wider so your jig wouldn't work
but thanks for the offer. Good to know that I can use 2x6 wood or angle
iron for the jig (since I have plenty of scrap wood laying around).
Rick
On 11/6/06, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
Rick,
I took exact measurements of the firewall fitting dimensions, and
made a jig that held the firewall mating "teardrop" fittings on that end
and it held the engine side flange fittings. Laid all this out using a
square, plumb bob, and ruler, etc. The final had some slight
distortion, but with very light pressure it fit right on.
Do expect some scortching and battle damage to the jig.
He's a pic.
I think I still have the jig around if you have any interest in it.
(I built the long fuselage ) Let me know and I'll look for it.
Oh yeah, I extented the mount 1 3/4", cause I'm 220# and I still
had to move the wing back
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you
make a jig to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you
able to tack welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it
off the firewall fittings?
Rick
On 11/5/06, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
Rick,
My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a
Continental A65-8, and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like
it's supposed to.
Ain't Life Grand!
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from
you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a
question about the four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both
as per the Continental and Corvair engine mount plans and others with
straps bent 90 degrees and welded around the tube ends. Any method
preferred?, best to do it as Bernard did it?
Thanks
--
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Dave,
Cause the balance point for flying ( CG or center of gravity) has to be
with in a certain "window" in the chord of the wing, everything under
it including fuse,you, passenger, engine,,,,,everything. is hanging
under the wing from the wing struts and cabane struts. If your final
calculated CG is to the rear of the limits of the "window" you have to
correct. The normal saying is to move the wing back. But to simplify
the thought, you are actually moving the airplane forward .
If you built to plans it's really simple. The cable "X" bracing on the
wing struts have to be remade, along with either,,,the "X" bracing cable
on the right cabane OR the angled tubing "struts" going from the fwd
cabanes to the engine mount area,,,,have to be remade. Also the cowling
arount the base of the cabane struts have to be opened up some for
clearance, and new holes/routing for the aileron cables where they come
up thru the cowling by the rear windshield.
I built the long fuselage with an A-65.
I weigh 220#
lengthened the engine mount 1 3/4"
And still had to move the fuse forward 3"
If you anyway come close to my data, I would rig your Piet with the wing
back right off the bat.
(The original plan design is to have the cabane struts at 90deg from the
top longeron)
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Abramson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
Hi Walt,
I am still building my fuselage, and have my wing ribs built, but I am
wondering how you "move the wing back". Do you have to make new
brackets, or ??? Thanks!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt
evans
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 12:23 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
Rick,
I took exact measurements of the firewall fitting dimensions, and made
a jig that held the firewall mating "teardrop" fittings on that end and
it held the engine side flange fittings. Laid all this out using a
square, plumb bob, and ruler, etc. The final had some slight
distortion, but with very light pressure it fit right on.
Do expect some scortching and battle damage to the jig.
He's a pic.
I think I still have the jig around if you have any interest in it.
(I built the long fuselage ) Let me know and I'll look for it.
Oh yeah, I extented the mount 1 3/4", cause I'm 220# and I still had
to move the wing back
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a
jig to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to
tack welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the
firewall fittings?
Rick
On 11/5/06, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
Rick,
My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental
A65-8, and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed
to.
Ain't Life Grand!
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about
the four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the
Continental and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent
90 degrees and welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best
to do it as Bernard did it?
Thanks
--
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Rick,
Don't vary the sizes on the mount. Just refigure for the wide fuse.
Take note that there is a designed offset in the mount to angle the
engine. It's very critical!!!!
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
Sounds like the jig should be built possibly with an extra 1/8" inch
or so of height and width.
Rick
On 11/6/06, Ed G. < flyboy_120@hotmail.com> wrote:
flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Hi Rick..If you don't finish weld it in a good stiff jig the welds
will pull
it all out of shape as they cool. I built my jig out of 4" channel
iron, did
my finish welding and it still sprung slightly when I pulled it out
of the
jig in spite of passing the torch over the finished welds so they
cooled
very slowly.
Tony Bingelis states that a mount which is finish welded without a
jig will
distort by as much as 3/8".......Ed G.
>From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
>Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:55:30 -0700
>
>One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you
make a jig
>to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able
to tack
>welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the
>firewall
>fittings?
>
>Rick
>
>On 11/5/06, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Rick,
>>My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental
A65-8,
>>and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed
to.
>>Ain't Life Grand!
>>walt evans
>>NX140DL
>>
>>"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from
you"
>>Ben Franklin
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>*From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>>*To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>*Sent:* Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM
>>*Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question
>>
>>Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question
about the
>>four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the
>>Continental
>>and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90
degrees and
>>welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it
as
>>Bernard
>>did it?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>--
>>Rick Holland
>>
>>"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>>
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Oscar
You can use the primary winding from a large power transformer by removing
the iron core than wiring a AC plug to it.
That way you can past the stick through the core of the winding.
It can't be left on to long it will get hot.
Wrap the coil with tape to cover all windings .
It works like magic.
Dale
> [Original Message]
> From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/6/2006 8:14:20 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: mag compass
>
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Dale offered-
>
> >It's easy to degauss the stick by passing a magnetic field over the stick
> >and then moving it away.
>
> Give me a clue as to where I can find a suitable magnetic field. Would a
> Harbor Freight-type magnet work (100 lb. pull "retrieving magnet" for
$4.99)
> or does it need to be stronger ($14.99 for a 250 lb. pull magnet), or
maybe
> the coil off of an old TV tube?
>
> And I've never demagnetized a screwdriver... thought it was useful to
have
> it be able to hold screws while I started them.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Edwin,
I use the EAA Aeroplanner Basic TripTik for every trip I make, whether in the Pietenpol
or the RV-4. Great backup for the GPS, and the pages can be cut down
to fit easily on a knee board.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
> 2. Now the idea no one has mentioned requires either membership to the
> EAA, which most are, are a subscription to the Aero Planner -
> www.aeroplanner.com - website. Your EAA membership gives you free access
> to their Basic Flight Planner. If you plan a trip with it, you can view
> and print each page of the Basic Trip Tick, which is a part of the
> sectional with your route. You can also, at a cost of I believe $4.95,
> download the ZipTick which contains all of the maps in a zipped package.
>
> This may or may not appeal as an option. The strips are somewhat narrow
> but in some cases you can orientate the printout as vertical or
> horizontal. At any rate if you simply print each little map, it is free.
>
> ...Edwin
> ____________________________________________________________
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> turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to
> return."-da Vinci http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/d/edwinljohnson
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