---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/06/06: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:13 AM - Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] (Matt Dralle) 2. 06:09 AM - mag compass (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 06:36 AM - good discussion (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 4. 06:56 AM - Re: Motor mount question (Rick Holland) 5. 07:25 AM - Re: flight planning (edwinljohnson@bellsouth.net) 6. 07:33 AM - Re: good discussion (Eric Williams) 7. 09:00 AM - Re: Motor mount question (Ed G.) 8. 10:22 AM - Re: mag compass (jbfjr) 9. 12:04 PM - Re: Motor mount question (Rick Holland) 10. 12:45 PM - Re: Motor mount question (walt evans) 11. 01:30 PM - Re: Motor mount question (Rick Holland) 12. 01:35 PM - Re: Motor mount question (Dave Abramson) 13. 01:56 PM - Re: Motor mount question (DJ Vegh) 14. 02:48 PM - Re: Motor mount question (walt evans) 15. 02:48 PM - Re: Motor mount question (walt evans) 16. 02:50 PM - Re: mag compass (Dale Johnson) 17. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: flight planning () ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:09 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] Dear Listers, By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the Matronics Email Lists system. Here's how it works... During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a Contribution to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for the rest of that year? Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone that makes a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas for the rest of the year! The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but also the Digest distribution! For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily Digest email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well! (Note that my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests, List Browse, and on the Forum site.) For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure to include your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to determine eligibility. So, in a nutshell, here's how it works: Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution" messages! How sweet is that? If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics Email List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what is! Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had along with your List Contribution this year!! Don't wait a minute longer to support your Lists! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your Support!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:06 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: mag compass Dale offered- >It's easy to degauss the stick by passing a magnetic field over the stick >and then moving it away. Give me a clue as to where I can find a suitable magnetic field. Would a Harbor Freight-type magnet work (100 lb. pull "retrieving magnet" for $4.99) or does it need to be stronger ($14.99 for a 250 lb. pull magnet), or maybe the coil off of an old TV tube? And I've never demagnetized a screwdriver... thought it was useful to have it be able to hold screws while I started them. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: good discussion From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" One thing I enjoy about this group is that as a pilot you can never know too much or be too prepared for any flight and the various points of views we are able to express in this forum help me to keep an open mind---or consider variables and factors I hadn't previously. With Mark's experiences at night and with an electrical system the level of possible trouble goes up several fold and you have to be ready or at least thinking about 'what ifs'. All good points being made here and good food for consideration. The closed airport issue is something I hadn't thought about but certainly a possible cause to use an alternate. Landing at Clow International (a small suburban Chicago GA airport) enroute to Wisconsin I found the asphalt runway to be old, faded, and a bit bumpy but a week later coming home it had been perfectly repaved with jet black asphalt and bright new white markings----I'm sure in the intervening days of my two stops that this airport was closed and would have required a diversion. One nice thing about flying here near Cleveland is that you really never even have to worry about carrying a sectional in day vfr flying since Lake Erie always points north:) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:04 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the firewall fittings? Rick On 11/5/06, walt evans wrote: > > Rick, > My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8, > and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to. > Ain't Life Grand! > walt evans > NX140DL > > "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" > Ben Franklin > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question > > Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about the > four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the Continental > and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees and > welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as Bernard > did it? > > Thanks > > -- > Rick Holland > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > * > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:03 AM PST US From: edwinljohnson@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planning Hello to all, > > The whole thing has to be folded, but pilots did that long before anyone > ever thought of a handheld GPS in open cockpit airplanes. Could be on > lap boards, could be a lot of ways all of which different people would > want different ways. A pre fold would be smart, and yes it would take OK, guys it's almost with amusement I see how many posts can be made for map reading in the Piet. There is one which no one has mentioned and might be of interest and will be #2 below. 1. One of the first things I taught my students was how to fold a map and use it in the cockpit prior to cross country instruction. I taught them how I folded my maps which I even did on high altitude IFR cross countries (we always had the WAC charts with us when someone wanted to know which city, river, etc. and for our pleasure). I made a lap board long ago which is 11"x10" out of a cookie baking sheet. If you fold a sectional leaving two sections exposed, it measures 10"x10". You simply unfold it to the two sections which reflect you position and going toward your destination. Many times you must make the fold backwards from its original fold direction and you must even, at times, fold vertical about half way down a section. But the result is always a square 10"x10". Of course you refold as you leave the exposed area. I found this no problem at all in the Piet and lost no maps. :) Incidentally, if you use two maps (You _did_, of course mark the track already on the map, didn't you?), simply prefold the second map to the place where it will start. It's easy to fold to the next section but not so easy in the Piet to find that on the whole map with all that air rushing around! Now this works beautifully in the Piet, _except_ that the lap board would not fit in the middle because of lack of room in the Piet and I had to put it to the side. A knee support might be better in this case. But the point is you have the complete sectional available but your view area is never more than 10"x10". Some of my students, much to my chagrin, like to turn the map upside down so it appeared as they were heading 'up' the map and left was left, etc. (I always just reversed directions in my head if the track led down the map, so I could read all the little writing easily.), and that was fine. But I just gave hints that always worked for me and some of the students followed them. Incidentally, I still use this method. 2. Now the idea no one has mentioned requires either membership to the EAA, which most are, are a subscription to the Aero Planner - www.aeroplanner.com - website. Your EAA membership gives you free access to their Basic Flight Planner. If you plan a trip with it, you can view and print each page of the Basic Trip Tick, which is a part of the sectional with your route. You can also, at a cost of I believe $4.95, download the ZipTick which contains all of the maps in a zipped package. This may or may not appeal as an option. The strips are somewhat narrow but in some cases you can orientate the printout as vertical or horizontal. At any rate if you simply print each little map, it is free. ...Edwin ____________________________________________________________ "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return."-da Vinci http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/d/edwinljohnson ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:40 AM PST US From: "Eric Williams" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: good discussion Mike, I agree, good discussion. The "closed airport" scenario actually happened to me on my very first cross-country flight in my 150. We were flying it back to Florida from Houston and the weather was deteriorating over Louisiana. We arrived at the intended refueling airport only to look down and find big yellow X's on both ends of the only runway. Out came the chart to find an alternate (which we should already have done) and we headed for that one. Well the weather went to crap about halfway there and there we were flying circles outside of Baton Rouge's class C airspace calling approach control to get clearance to land since they were the only airport nearby and we were geting low on fuel. It was then that I discovered the radio didn't work. Other airplanes could hear me transmit within a mile or so but the tower couldn't hear me at all. The stress meter was going up quickly as the cloud ceiling and visibility were rapidly going down. Finally another airplane heard my radio calls and relayed them to approach control for me and they cleared me in while having me hit the ident button after every instruction so they could tell if I understood them. First purchase I made upon getting home?... a new handheld radio for a backup com. Eric >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: good discussion >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:35:28 -0600 > >One thing I enjoy about this group is that as a pilot you can never know >too much or be too prepared for any flight and the >various points of views we are able to express in this forum help me to >keep an open mind---or consider variables and factors >I hadn't previously. With Mark's experiences at night and with an >electrical system the level of possible trouble goes up several >fold and you have to be ready or at least thinking about 'what ifs'. >All good points being made here and good food for consideration. >The closed airport issue is something I hadn't thought about but >certainly a possible cause to use an alternate. Landing at Clow >International (a small suburban Chicago GA airport) enroute to Wisconsin >I found the asphalt runway to be old, faded, and a bit >bumpy but a week later coming home it had been perfectly repaved with >jet black asphalt and bright new white markings----I'm sure >in the intervening days of my two stops that this airport was closed and >would have required a diversion. One nice thing about flying >here near Cleveland is that you really never even have to worry about >carrying a sectional in day vfr flying since Lake Erie always >points north:) > >Mike C. > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:29 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Hi Rick..If you don't finish weld it in a good stiff jig the welds will pull it all out of shape as they cool. I built my jig out of 4" channel iron, did my finish welding and it still sprung slightly when I pulled it out of the jig in spite of passing the torch over the finished welds so they cooled very slowly. Tony Bingelis states that a mount which is finish welded without a jig will distort by as much as 3/8".......Ed G. >From: "Rick Holland" >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:55:30 -0700 > >One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig >to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack >welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the >firewall >fittings? > >Rick > >On 11/5/06, walt evans wrote: >> >> Rick, >>My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8, >>and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to. >>Ain't Life Grand! >>walt evans >>NX140DL >> >>"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" >>Ben Franklin >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>*From:* Rick Holland >>*To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>*Sent:* Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM >>*Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question >> >>Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about the >>four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the >>Continental >>and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees and >>welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as >>Bernard >>did it? >> >>Thanks >> >>-- >>Rick Holland >> >>"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" >> >>* >> >>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >>href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com >>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>* >> >>* >> >> >>* >> >> > > >-- >Rick Holland > >"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:30 AM PST US From: " jbfjr" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: mag compass Oscar, Back in the '70's I built a Heathkit TV that came with a De- Gaussing coil; it was needed to remove stray magnetism that would foul up the colors on the screen. There are several similar ones available on the web, this one is fairly cheap: http://www.starkelectronic.com/gc9317.htm Or, there are links showing how to make a homemade one. Don't know for sure, but I wouldn't think you'd want to get it too close to your compass. Regards, John Franklin Richmond, TX ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Oscar Zuniga" > >Dale offered- > >>It's easy to degauss the stick by passing a magnetic field over the stick >>and then moving it away. > >Give me a clue as to where I can find a suitable magnetic field. Would a >Harbor Freight-type magnet work (100 lb. pull "retrieving magnet" for $4.99) >or does it need to be stronger ($14.99 for a 250 lb. pull magnet), or maybe >the coil off of an old TV tube? > >And I've never demagnetized a screwdriver... thought it was useful to have >it be able to hold screws while I started them. > >Oscar Zuniga >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get today's hot entertainment gossip >http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:30 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Sounds like the jig should be built possibly with an extra 1/8" inch or so of height and width. Rick On 11/6/06, Ed G. wrote: > > > > Hi Rick..If you don't finish weld it in a good stiff jig the welds will > pull > it all out of shape as they cool. I built my jig out of 4" channel iron, > did > my finish welding and it still sprung slightly when I pulled it out of the > jig in spite of passing the torch over the finished welds so they cooled > very slowly. > Tony Bingelis states that a mount which is finish welded without a jig > will > distort by as much as 3/8".......Ed G. > > >From: "Rick Holland" > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question > >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:55:30 -0700 > > > >One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a > jig > >to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack > >welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the > >firewall > >fittings? > > > >Rick > > > >On 11/5/06, walt evans wrote: > >> > >> Rick, > >>My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8, > >>and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to. > >>Ain't Life Grand! > >>walt evans > >>NX140DL > >> > >>"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" > >>Ben Franklin > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>*From:* Rick Holland > >>*To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >>*Sent:* Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM > >>*Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question > >> > >>Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about > the > >>four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the > >>Continental > >>and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees > and > >>welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as > >>Bernard > >>did it? > >> > >>Thanks > >> > >>-- > >>Rick Holland > >> > >>"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > >> > >>* > >> > >>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > >>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > >>href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com > >>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >>* > >> > >>* > >> > >> > >>* > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Rick Holland > > > >"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:11 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Rick, I took exact measurements of the firewall fitting dimensions, and made a jig that held the firewall mating "teardrop" fittings on that end and it held the engine side flange fittings. Laid all this out using a square, plumb bob, and ruler, etc. The final had some slight distortion, but with very light pressure it fit right on. Do expect some scortching and battle damage to the jig. He's a pic. I think I still have the jig around if you have any interest in it. (I built the long fuselage ) Let me know and I'll look for it. Oh yeah, I extented the mount 1 3/4", cause I'm 220# and I still had to move the wing back walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the firewall fittings? Rick On 11/5/06, walt evans wrote: Rick, My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8, and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to. Ain't Life Grand! walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about the four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the Continental and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees and welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as Bernard did it? Thanks -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" href="http://www.aeroelectric.com"> www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com"> www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com"> www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com"> www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.kitlog.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:18 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Walt, I built my fuselage two inches wider so your jig wouldn't work but thanks for the offer. Good to know that I can use 2x6 wood or angle iron for the jig (since I have plenty of scrap wood laying around). Rick On 11/6/06, walt evans wrote: > > Rick, > I took exact measurements of the firewall fitting dimensions, and made a > jig that held the firewall mating "teardrop" fittings on that end and it > held the engine side flange fittings. Laid all this out using a square, > plumb bob, and ruler, etc. The final had some slight distortion, but with > very light pressure it fit right on. > Do expect some scortching and battle damage to the jig. > He's a pic. > I think I still have the jig around if you have any interest in it. > (I built the long fuselage ) Let me know and I'll look for it. > Oh yeah, I extented the mount 1 3/4", cause I'm 220# and I still had to > move the wing back > walt evans > NX140DL > > "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" > Ben Franklin > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, November 06, 2006 9:55 AM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question > > One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig > to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack > welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the firewall > fittings? > > Rick > > On 11/5/06, walt evans wrote: > > > > Rick, > > My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8, > > and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to. > > Ain't Life Grand! > > walt evans > > NX140DL > > > > "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" > > Ben Franklin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Rick Holland > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM > > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question > > > > Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about > > the four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the > > Continental and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 > > degrees and welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do > > it as Bernard did it? > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > Rick Holland > > > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > > > * > > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com"> > > www.aeroelectric.com > > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com"> > > www.buildersbooks.com > > href="http://www.kitlog.com"> > > www.kitlog.com > > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com"> > > www.homebuilthelp.com > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > * > > > > * > > www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.kitlog.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > * > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:47 PM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Hi Walt, I am still building my fuselage, and have my wing ribs built, but I am wondering how you move the wing back. Do you have to make new brackets, or ??? Thanks! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Rick, I took exact measurements of the firewall fitting dimensions, and made a jig that held the firewall mating "teardrop" fittings on that end and it held the engine side flange fittings. Laid all this out using a square, plumb bob, and ruler, etc. The final had some slight distortion, but with very light pressure it fit right on. Do expect some scortching and battle damage to the jig. He's a pic. I think I still have the jig around if you have any interest in it. (I built the long fuselage ) Let me know and I'll look for it. Oh yeah, I extented the mount 1 3/4", cause I'm 220# and I still had to move the wing back walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the firewall fittings? Rick On 11/5/06, walt evans < waltdak@verizon.net > wrote: Rick, My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8, and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to. Ain't Life Grand! walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about the four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the Continental and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees and welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as Bernard did it? Thanks -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" href=" http://www.aeroelectric.com"> www.aeroelectric.com href=" http://www.buildersbooks.com"> www.buildersbooks.com href=" http://www.kitlog.com"> www.kitlog.com href=" http://www.homebuilthelp.com"> www.homebuilthelp.com href=" http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.kitlog.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:12 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question I used a .50" thick steel plate as a base and 1" angle iron to build my jig. It resisted warping but not entirely. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Walt, I built my fuselage two inches wider so your jig wouldn't work but thanks for the offer. Good to know that I can use 2x6 wood or angle iron for the jig (since I have plenty of scrap wood laying around). Rick On 11/6/06, walt evans wrote: Rick, I took exact measurements of the firewall fitting dimensions, and made a jig that held the firewall mating "teardrop" fittings on that end and it held the engine side flange fittings. Laid all this out using a square, plumb bob, and ruler, etc. The final had some slight distortion, but with very light pressure it fit right on. Do expect some scortching and battle damage to the jig. He's a pic. I think I still have the jig around if you have any interest in it. (I built the long fuselage ) Let me know and I'll look for it. Oh yeah, I extented the mount 1 3/4", cause I'm 220# and I still had to move the wing back walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the firewall fittings? Rick On 11/5/06, walt evans wrote: Rick, My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8, and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to. Ain't Life Grand! walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about the four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the Continental and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees and welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as Bernard did it? Thanks -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" href="http://www.aeroelectric.com"> www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com"> www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com"> www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com"> www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.kitlog.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" href="http://www.aeroelectric.com"> www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com"> www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com"> www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com"> www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:12 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Dave, Cause the balance point for flying ( CG or center of gravity) has to be with in a certain "window" in the chord of the wing, everything under it including fuse,you, passenger, engine,,,,,everything. is hanging under the wing from the wing struts and cabane struts. If your final calculated CG is to the rear of the limits of the "window" you have to correct. The normal saying is to move the wing back. But to simplify the thought, you are actually moving the airplane forward . If you built to plans it's really simple. The cable "X" bracing on the wing struts have to be remade, along with either,,,the "X" bracing cable on the right cabane OR the angled tubing "struts" going from the fwd cabanes to the engine mount area,,,,have to be remade. Also the cowling arount the base of the cabane struts have to be opened up some for clearance, and new holes/routing for the aileron cables where they come up thru the cowling by the rear windshield. I built the long fuselage with an A-65. I weigh 220# lengthened the engine mount 1 3/4" And still had to move the fuse forward 3" If you anyway come close to my data, I would rig your Piet with the wing back right off the bat. (The original plan design is to have the cabane struts at 90deg from the top longeron) walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Abramson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Hi Walt, I am still building my fuselage, and have my wing ribs built, but I am wondering how you "move the wing back". Do you have to make new brackets, or ??? Thanks! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 12:23 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Rick, I took exact measurements of the firewall fitting dimensions, and made a jig that held the firewall mating "teardrop" fittings on that end and it held the engine side flange fittings. Laid all this out using a square, plumb bob, and ruler, etc. The final had some slight distortion, but with very light pressure it fit right on. Do expect some scortching and battle damage to the jig. He's a pic. I think I still have the jig around if you have any interest in it. (I built the long fuselage ) Let me know and I'll look for it. Oh yeah, I extented the mount 1 3/4", cause I'm 220# and I still had to move the wing back walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the firewall fittings? Rick On 11/5/06, walt evans wrote: Rick, My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8, and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to. Ain't Life Grand! walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about the four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the Continental and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees and welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as Bernard did it? Thanks -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comhref="http://w ww.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.comhref="http://www.kitlog.com" >www.kitlog.comhref="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.co mhref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.kitlog.comwww.homebuilthelp. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigato r?Pietenpol-List -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comhref="http://w ww.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.comhref="http://www.kitlog.com" >www.kitlog.comhref="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.co mhref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:30 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Rick, Don't vary the sizes on the mount. Just refigure for the wide fuse. Take note that there is a designed offset in the mount to angle the engine. It's very critical!!!! walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question Sounds like the jig should be built possibly with an extra 1/8" inch or so of height and width. Rick On 11/6/06, Ed G. < flyboy_120@hotmail.com> wrote: flyboy_120@hotmail.com> Hi Rick..If you don't finish weld it in a good stiff jig the welds will pull it all out of shape as they cool. I built my jig out of 4" channel iron, did my finish welding and it still sprung slightly when I pulled it out of the jig in spite of passing the torch over the finished welds so they cooled very slowly. Tony Bingelis states that a mount which is finish welded without a jig will distort by as much as 3/8".......Ed G. >From: "Rick Holland" >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:55:30 -0700 > >One other engine mount question Walt, when making yours did you make a jig >to match the dimensions of the firewall fittings or were you able to tack >welding it in place on the firewall and then finish weld it off the >firewall >fittings? > >Rick > >On 11/5/06, walt evans wrote: >> >> Rick, >>My vote is to do it like Bernard did it. I'm flying a Continental A65-8, >>and his mount fit like a glove and flys just like it's supposed to. >>Ain't Life Grand! >>walt evans >>NX140DL >> >>"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" >>Ben Franklin >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>*From:* Rick Holland >>*To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>*Sent:* Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:45 AM >>*Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Motor mount question >> >>Am beginning an engine mount for my Corvair and have a question about the >>four firewall attachments. Have seen Piets done both as per the >>Continental >>and Corvair engine mount plans and others with straps bent 90 degrees and >>welded around the tube ends. Any method preferred?, best to do it as >>Bernard >>did it? >> >>Thanks >> >>-- >>Rick Holland >> >>"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" >> >>* >> >>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >>href=" http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >>href="http://www.kitlog.com"> www.kitlog.com >>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >>href=" http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>* >> >>* >> ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:43 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: mag compass Oscar You can use the primary winding from a large power transformer by removing the iron core than wiring a AC plug to it. That way you can past the stick through the core of the winding. It can't be left on to long it will get hot. Wrap the coil with tape to cover all windings . It works like magic. Dale > [Original Message] > From: Oscar Zuniga > To: > Date: 11/6/2006 8:14:20 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: mag compass > > > Dale offered- > > >It's easy to degauss the stick by passing a magnetic field over the stick > >and then moving it away. > > Give me a clue as to where I can find a suitable magnetic field. Would a > Harbor Freight-type magnet work (100 lb. pull "retrieving magnet" for $4.99) > or does it need to be stronger ($14.99 for a 250 lb. pull magnet), or maybe > the coil off of an old TV tube? > > And I've never demagnetized a screwdriver... thought it was useful to have > it be able to hold screws while I started them. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get today's hot entertainment gossip > http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:16 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: flight planning Edwin, I use the EAA Aeroplanner Basic TripTik for every trip I make, whether in the Pietenpol or the RV-4. Great backup for the GPS, and the pages can be cut down to fit easily on a knee board. Jack Phillips NX899JP > 2. Now the idea no one has mentioned requires either membership to the > EAA, which most are, are a subscription to the Aero Planner - > www.aeroplanner.com - website. Your EAA membership gives you free access > to their Basic Flight Planner. If you plan a trip with it, you can view > and print each page of the Basic Trip Tick, which is a part of the > sectional with your route. You can also, at a cost of I believe $4.95, > download the ZipTick which contains all of the maps in a zipped package. > > This may or may not appeal as an option. The strips are somewhat narrow > but in some cases you can orientate the printout as vertical or > horizontal. At any rate if you simply print each little map, it is free. > > ...Edwin > ____________________________________________________________ > "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes > turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to > return."-da Vinci http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/d/edwinljohnson > > > > >