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1. 04:24 AM - Re: LONGER FUSELAGE (Bill Weir)
2. 05:03 AM - Re: smoke systems (Gene & Tammy)
3. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: LONGER FUSELAGE (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
4. 07:21 AM - Re: smoke systems (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
5. 07:49 AM - How to pronounce Pietenpol? (Tim Verthein)
6. 07:52 AM - Re: How to pronounce Pietenpol? (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
7. 09:14 AM - Re: How to pronounce Pietenpol? (Roger & Barb)
8. 12:11 PM - Re: smoke systems (Rcaprd@aol.com)
9. 03:20 PM - Smoke system (Gene & Tammy)
10. 05:07 PM - smoke systems (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 05:12 PM - PS to engine run (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 07:06 PM - Re: How to pronounce Pietenpol? (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
13. 10:06 PM - Re: Smoke system (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: LONGER FUSELAGE |
A lurker joins the fray.
We have just started on a Pietenpol. This in an education process for the
son and a last airplane for the father. We have the table but are wondering
where to put the blocks to hold the stringers and cross members. Our engine
will be a Suzuki 1300 cc twin cam with a gear reduction. There is local
experience with this engine and it is pretty. We assume about 75 horsepower
with a weight of 175 pounds for the engine and 28 pounds for the gear
reduction. This will be a bit less than the 250 or so for the Ford B or the
Subaru. The propeller placement will put the engine high enough to show off
its twin cams.
I understand that Mr. Pietenpol's Corvair Air Camper was 6.5 inches longer
than the original. The question I ask, "Where is the additional 6.5 inches
put into the fuselage?"
Any insight will be appreciated.
Bill Weir
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| Subject: | Re: smoke systems |
Oscar.
Where can I get the plans for the a smoke system for my Piet?
Thanks
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: smoke systems
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Boy, this list is quiet! Guess I'll ask a question for those of you who
> use the windshield washer pump approach on your smoke system. I think
> Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer uses a portable battery or a rechargeable battery
> to power the 12V setup on Seven Zero Charlie Golf.
>
> My question is, how long will the battery operate the windshield washer
> pump before requiring a recharge? Once per flight? Several flights
> (tankfuls)? And is the battery a motorcycle type or dry type?
>
> Smoke on!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: LONGER FUSELAGE |
Hi Bill,
Welcome to the list. The Piet is a great project.
Pietenpol designed 3 different wood fuselages. From shortest to longest,
they are the Flying & Glider, the Orrin Hoopman 1934 Improved, and the
Corvair. The 1934 are the plans you buy from Don Pietenpol and is 13'7"
long firewall to tailpost. The Corvair is a supplament plan you can also
buy from Don Pietenpol, it is 14'4 3/8" long, 2 7/8" longer in the aft bay
at the tailpost and 2 1/2" longer in the bay ahead of the aft bay, 2''
longer in the pilot pit and 2" longer in the first bay behind the firewall.
The Flying & Glider is 2" shorter than the 1934, all in the first bay
behind the firewall, making it 13'5" long.
Skip
> A lurker joins the fray.
> I understand that Mr. Pietenpol's Corvair Air Camper was 6.5 inches
longer
> than the original. The question I ask, "Where is the additional 6.5
inches
> put into the fuselage?"
> Bill Weir
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Oscar-- Chuck has a great article on his web site about his smoker......
Mike C.
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| Subject: | How to pronounce Pietenpol? |
Howdy-
Kind of a newbie/lurker here. Guess I have the first newbie
question....
How do you pronounce Pietenpol?
Tim in Bovey
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| Subject: | Re: How to pronounce Pietenpol? |
Me too. I think it's pronounced pete in pole
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| Subject: | Re: How to pronounce Pietenpol? |
>Hi Pete,
Another lurker here. If you want to stir a little excitement, pronounce it G-r-e-g-a.
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: smoke systems |
Hey Oscar / Gene, et All,
The smoke system I have has proved to be very reliable, and the only
maintenance has been to recharge the battery about 4 or 5 times a summer...Oh yeah,
every once in a while ya gotta fill 'er up with either Baby Oil, or your
favorite white mineral oil.
My smoke system consists of an after-market windshield washer pump and
originally I had the aftermarket tank, plumbing to each exhaust pipe, and wiring
to the switch on the power lever. I isolated / mounted the tank on the upper
left motor mount tubing, with a couple layers of rubber strap. I routed the
clear tubing to a Tee fitting secured in rubber, to the engine mount, then
used 1/8" brass tubing to each of the fittings in the exhaust pipes. I laid out
the route of the tubing, marked the pipes, and removed both exhaust pipes. I
cut a 1/8" pipe coupler in half, radiused each half to the radius of the pipe,
and oxy / accy welded them to the aft pipe of each side. After welded, I
drilled one #60 hole through the exhaust pipes. I placed these holes toward the
bottom edge of the fittings, theorizing that if oil would lay in there it
would gum up. The switch is a push on / push off button, that is mounted right
to
the throttle handle. This location allows me to work the smoke without
taking my hand off the throttle. I originally thought it would only smoke good
at
full power, but came to find I don't need much over 1/4 throttle to Smoke 'Em
Up !! I can smoke 'em while taxiing, without any problem !! My exhaust pipes
point down and away from the fuselage, and even when all the oil doesn't
vaporize, the fuselage hardly gets anything on it.
I had a couple of squawks on the original system, that I have taken care
of.
1.) I mounted the tank at about the same level as the fittings on the
exhaust pipes, and it always dribbles out the pipes, with a little bit of smoke
as a
result. Over a period of a couple of hours, it will drain the tank, but I
usually 'Smoke em up' before that happens.
2.) When I ran the tank empty, and refill it, the pump would cavitate
because of the way the line ran from the bottom of the tank to the pump, and I
would always have to prime the pump, by blowing in the top of the tank. I got
some strange looks from folks, while I performed this operation !!
3.) The tank was too small. It only was big enough to do about 3 smoke
runs. I would like to put about a 5 gallon bucket up there on the firewall, but
I don't have enough room !!
4.) I had to remove the top cowling to re-fill the tank. I built a new
tank out of fiberglass / West System resin, with a fill tube out to the right
side of the cowling. It is mounted lower on the firewall. This will take care
of all the squawks.
5.) I now have been using the new smoke tank, but I have a small leak in
the tank. I used West Systems resin for the fiberglass tank, and evidently I
didn't get the seam sealed up good enough. I've never had that problem when I
used polyester resin, but it kicks very quickly. The West System gives some
time, but it is also quite a bit more expensive. I fixed the leak, and it has
been trouble free ever since.
I have some good pictures and explainations on my web site:
http://nx770cg.com/SmokeSystem.html
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Chuck G.
Thanks for taking time to explain your smoke system. Do you mind if I
steal your idea? I just went to your site. A real 1st class site!
Gene
N502R
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Chuck: you had me at the first sentence. All I asked was how long the
battery lasted between charges-! All that other good stuff was, as Mikee
pointed out, on both your website and your fun DVD.
I reassembled my carb with the new venturi today, fired up the engine and it
ran STRONG. What a joy to run the A65. Wings should be back on the
airplane soon...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | PS to engine run |
PS on today's engine run... I finally felt that I had the airplane tied down
securely enough to try a full-power static runup. The tach needle was
wiggling between 2200-2250 to me, so I think the firewall forward is about
optimum!
The EAA chapter has an optical tach and I'll be checking the mechanical tach
against it, but you just can't argue with this setup for the A65. It sure
is nice to hear it run.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: How to pronounce Pietenpol? |
It is Pete-n-Paul, according to Don Pietenpol.
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| Subject: | Re: Smoke system |
In a message dated 11/11/2006 5:22:42 PM Central Standard Time,
zharvey@bellsouth.net writes:
Chuck G.
Thanks for taking time to explain your smoke system. Do you mind if I steal
your idea? I just went to your site. A real 1st class site!
Gene
N502R
Gene,
It's not stealing by any streach of the imagination !! I hope some great day
will come, when we can fill the skies of Brodhead with Smokin' Pietenpols !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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