Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 11/13/06


Total Messages Posted: 26



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     0. 12:39 AM - WLAS [Please Read] (Matt Dralle)
     1. 04:40 AM - Re: How to pronounce Pietenpol? (Gene Beenenga)
     2. 05:45 AM - Speaking of Brodhead '07 (Tim Verthein)
     3. 05:47 AM - Re: Who's flying to Broadhead 07 from PA, WV, OH (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
     4. 06:07 AM - Re: Who's flying to Broadhead 07 from PA, WV, OH (Phillips, Jack)
     5. 08:57 AM - Re: Speaking of Brodhead '07 (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
     6. 09:39 AM - wing strut attachment geometry (John Egan)
     7. 09:47 AM - Brodhead & cross country in a Peteandpole  (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
     8. 11:34 AM - Re: Brodhead accommodations (Rick Holland)
     9. 11:34 AM - Re: wing strut attachment geometry (walt evans)
    10. 01:22 PM - Re: wing strut attachment geometry (John Egan)
    11. 02:23 PM - Re: wing strut attachment geometry (walt evans)
    12. 02:56 PM - wing strut attachment geometry (Oscar Zuniga)
    13. 03:06 PM - Re: wing strut attachment geometry (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    14. 03:26 PM - Re: Who's flying to Broadhead 07 from PA, WV, OH (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    15. 03:26 PM - Re: wing strut attachment geometry (Jack T. Textor)
    16. 03:33 PM - Re: wing strut attachment geometry (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    17. 04:18 PM - Re: Who's flying to Broadhead 07 from PA, WV, OH (Gene & Tammy)
    18. 04:33 PM - Brodhead (Dick Navratil)
    19. 07:05 PM - Tailwind (not Piet!) (Oscar Zuniga)
    20. 07:11 PM - High Altitude Ford Performance. (Kevin Ross)
    21. 08:05 PM - Have fun (glich7@juno.com)
    22. 08:53 PM - Varnish (Catdesigns)
    23. 10:49 PM - Re: Varnish (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    24. 11:20 PM - Re: Tailwind (not Piet!) (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    25. 11:23 PM - Re: High Altitude Ford Performance. (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:39:35 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: WLAS [Please Read]
    Dear Listers, I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the nice comments List Members have been including along with their Contributions this year. I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very nice things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they are to them. I've included quite a few of these nice comments below. Please read over some of this great Lister feedback. No doubt you will find that you agree with at least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them! If you find that do, won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!! Its fast and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser Squelch* feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my "Please Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*! How cool is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is how it works.) Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================ Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!! -Owen B I love The Matronics... -Robeto B My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists! -Hal B These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby. -Bob R The best source of information for my a/c. -Tony C The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning. -Herbert H You do more good than you can imagine. I wish I'd known about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are still an after-the-fact resource. -Ben B ..an excellent site. -Ashley M The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith CH 701 project!! -Brian U I appreciate the list being here for me. -Geoff H ..a great service. -William C The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility. -David M Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project. -Thomas S ..a great service. -Robert W The Pietenpol list is a great resource. -Benjamin W The Yak-list is Awesome! -James S ..great service. -Robert S The features you have implemented recently have you poised to knock out yahoo groups... -Danny D I like how your forum looks/works and the list service... -Ken E ..great service. -David P Very useful web site. -Wayne E ..a very valuable service. -Chris D Great sites... -Randall R I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it. -Wayne E Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark... -Fergus K The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the donation... -Lee P ..great service! -Christopher D I really don't think I could be building my plane without the wisdom I find on this list. -William G It really makes building a pleasure. -James P ..great service. -Doug W I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't think I could have done it with out the help of the forum. -Stanislaus S Marvelous service. Couldn't have done it without you. -Jim G Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others... -Michael S ..good service. -Derek L The list is responsible for helping me complete this project and educating me in the process. -Jeff D Definitely worth the donation. -Ron L ..great service to the aviation community. -Tony P I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still get valuable information from this service. -Don N A very helpful site. -Roland S It's a great community to be part of. -David L Great sites. -John C A great place to find and share not only information but to meet people across the country and make lasting relationships. -Uncle Craig Great facility. -Peter H Its a great source of information! -Michael W Great improvements to the List... -Edward A Great service!!! -Rich D ..great resource! -William C ..excellent lists! -Michael S Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list. -Warren M ..a great service... -James N I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the building of my Europa. -Svein J ..another great year. -Robert D ..this [is an] essential builder's resource. -David A ..excellent service. -Gregory B I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year and look forward to it every day! -Smith M ..a great communication tool... -Jon M Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on your great list! -Lothar K ..a valuable service. At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto place for my RV questions. -Mike D ================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================


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    Time: 04:40:22 AM PST US
    From: Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: How to pronounce Pietenpol?
    GREGA, I think, is pronounced, a i r p l a n e. By the way, if anyone out there has an set of plans for the longer Piet they do not have further use for and wishes to trade them for some other types of paper, the kind with small pics of Abraham Lincoln on them, why don't you contact me, for my archives. Gene -----Original Message----- >From: Roger & Barb <thoreson@earthlink.net> >Sent: Nov 11, 2006 11:13 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How to pronounce Pietenpol? > > >>Hi Pete, >Another lurker here. If you want to stir a little excitement, pronounce it G-r-e-g-a. >Roger > >


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    Time: 05:45:38 AM PST US
    From: Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Speaking of Brodhead '07
    Exactly WHEN is Brodhead 07? Since we're just in the planning stages for eventually building, we won't be flying one down for a few years, but we'd like to show up and have a look! An internet search didn't turn up any details. When..and where to stay? Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Cheap talk?


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    Time: 05:47:25 AM PST US
    From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" <csfog@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Who's flying to Broadhead 07 from PA, WV, OH
    John, Cinda and I are hoping to make Brodhead 07, her in the motor home and me in the GN-1. We live at Hales Landing (2WV3) about 12 miles south of Parkersburg WV, and about 50 miles south of your direct line west from Pittsburgh to skim the south side of Chicago class B. We would hope to leave here the Tuesday or Wednesday before Brodhead. Haven't planned the trip yet, but looks like 2 days, or one real long day in a Piet. Skip > [Original Message] <john.rocca@us.army.mil> > > Who's planning on flying their Pietenpol to Brodhead next year. God willing I should have my Piet ready to go and would like to make the trip. This would be a first time for me and I would rather fly there with a wingman(s) > John > Pittsburgh >


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    Time: 06:07:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Who's flying to Broadhead 07 from PA, WV, OH
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
    I'll be there, just don't know which airplane. I'd like to bring the Pietenpol again, but my vacation schedule might dictate otherwise, in which case I'll arrive in a shameful spam-can and park away from the real airplanes (hey, being an RV-4 it is at least a taildragger, and a homebuilt). Brodhead is two days of hard flying from Raleigh in a Pietenpol, or 4 hours flat in an RV-4. Go figure. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip-Cinda Gadd Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying to Broadhead 07 from PA, WV, OH --> <csfog@earthlink.net> John, Cinda and I are hoping to make Brodhead 07, her in the motor home and me in the GN-1. We live at Hales Landing (2WV3) about 12 miles south of Parkersburg WV, and about 50 miles south of your direct line west from Pittsburgh to skim the south side of Chicago class B. We would hope to leave here the Tuesday or Wednesday before Brodhead. Haven't planned the trip yet, but looks like 2 days, or one real long day in a Piet. Skip > [Original Message] <john.rocca@us.army.mil> > > Who's planning on flying their Pietenpol to Brodhead next year. God willing I should have my Piet ready to go and would like to make the trip. This would be a first time for me and I would rather fly there with a wingman(s) > John > Pittsburgh > _________________________________________________


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    Time: 08:57:05 AM PST US
    From: Pietsrneat@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Speaking of Brodhead '07
    In a message dated 11/13/2006 8:47:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, minoxphotographer@yahoo.com writes: Exactly WHEN is Brodhead 07? Since we're just in the planning stages for eventually building, we won't be flying one down for a few years, but we'd like to show up and have a look! An internet search didn't turn up any details. When..and where to stay? I do know the dates are July 20, 21 & 22. Still looking for a place to stay as well. Ron


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    Time: 09:39:01 AM PST US
    From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: wing strut attachment geometry
    Hello group, I have a question regarding wing strut attachment (geometry) at the spars. I do not find any archived information on this subject. As we build our Piets with the wing leaning back a little, and the fact that by design, the lower wing strut attachment points are ahead of the upper wing strut attachment points, the struts will also need to lean back accordingly. As a result, the strut/s will not be aligned with the spar/s. Let's assume we use hollow streamline tubing for strut material (aluminum or steel), and let's assume we are fabricating an upper strut fitting with the hole perpendicular to the strut as shown in photos from previous "fitting" discussions. My question is "how do we assemble the strut/s to the wing at some required angle to attach the lower end of the strut/s to the fuselage without having some kind of capability for angular adjustment at the upper fitting?" I have looked at many Piets at Brodhead, and if I recall correctly, they all appear to have similar upper fittings where they get attached to the flat steel coming off the spars with a perpendiculr hole drilled through the fittings, and they all look like nice fabrications without any twisting. Thank you again everyone. It seems that I have been asking my share of questions lately and I appreciate the help. John ---------------------------------


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    Time: 09:47:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Brodhead & cross country in a Peteandpole
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    That is one LONG trip you made in 2005 Jack to Brodhead and then your other stops. I can't blame you for wanting to fly the RV-4 up there. I've had way too much fun driving and then camping over by John Hofmann and Rob B. to bring the Piet again but still a possibility. (I've only got about 6 hours of flying to do to get to Brodhead from Ohio) You really have to be dedicated to take a Pietenpol cross country and it is very rare to find a Piet from more than a few states away--but we're getting them. John D. from Colorado, Iron Butt Chuck Gantzer from Kansas, and you from North Carolina. Steve E. and Duane W. still take the cake for flying in from Provo, Utah in 1999 though. Man, and 10,000 feet msl to cross those mountains ! Hats off to you all. Mike C.


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    Time: 11:34:06 AM PST US
    From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Brodhead accommodations
    Couple hotels in Monroe, about 15 minutes away, just google for motels in Monroe, WS. Also a B&B in Broadhead, forget the name of it. On 11/12/06, Pietsrneat@aol.com <Pietsrneat@aol.com> wrote: > > * I sure this question was asked recently, but I was too dumb to pay > attention.* > * I am planning to attend Brodhead 2007. Where can I stay nearby?* > * * > *Jim,* > * I am still interested in those Model A engines. Are you still out > there?* > ** > *Ron* > * * > * * > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 11:34:22 AM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: wing strut attachment geometry
    John, The upper fitting , where the streamlined meets the flat strap, there is a single bolt that the strut pivots on. My Mentor had me put the end of the streamlined tubing in a vise and flatten it down to the thickness of the flat strap. This way there is no up/down wobble. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing strut attachment geometry Hello group, I have a question regarding wing strut attachment (geometry) at the spars. I do not find any archived information on this subject. As we build our Piets with the wing leaning back a little, and the fact that by design, the lower wing strut attachment points are ahead of the upper wing strut attachment points, the struts will also need to lean back accordingly. As a result, the strut/s will not be aligned with the spar/s. Let's assume we use hollow streamline tubing for strut material (aluminum or steel), and let's assume we are fabricating an upper strut fitting with the hole perpendicular to the strut as shown in photos from previous "fitting" discussions. My question is "how do we assemble the strut/s to the wing at some required angle to attach the lower end of the strut/s to the fuselage without having some kind of capability for angular adjustment at the upper fitting?" I have looked at many Piets at Brodhead, and if I recall correctly, they all appear to have similar upper fittings where they get attached to the flat steel coming off the spars with a perpendiculr hole drilled through the fittings, and they all look like nice fabrications without any twisting. Thank you again everyone. It seems that I have been asking my share of questions lately and I appreciate the help. John


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    Time: 01:22:12 PM PST US
    From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: wing strut attachment geometry
    Walt, I forgot, I'll have those diagonal flying wires in tension under the wing, so I feel better using a single bolt. Thanks again, John walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote: John, The upper fitting , where the streamlined meets the flat strap, there is a single bolt that the strut pivots on. My Mentor had me put the end of the streamlined tubing in a vise and flatten it down to the thickness of the flat strap. This way there is no up/down wobble. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing strut attachment geometry Hello group, I have a question regarding wing strut attachment (geometry) at the spars. I do not find any archived information on this subject. As we build our Piets with the wing leaning back a little, and the fact that by design, the lower wing strut attachment points are ahead of the upper wing strut attachment points, the struts will also need to lean back accordingly. As a result, the strut/s will not be aligned with the spar/s. Let's assume we use hollow streamline tubing for strut material (aluminum or steel), and let's assume we are fabricating an upper strut fitting with the hole perpendicular to the strut as shown in photos from previous "fitting" discussions. My question is "how do we assemble the strut/s to the wing at some required angle to attach the lower end of the strut/s to the fuselage without having some kind of capability for angular adjustment at the upper fitting?" I have looked at many Piets at Brodhead, and if I recall correctly, they all appear to have similar upper fittings where they get attached to the flat steel coming off the spars with a perpendiculr hole drilled through the fittings, and they all look like nice fabrications without any twisting. Thank you again everyone. It seems that I have been asking my share of questions lately and I appreciate the help. John href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ---------------------------------


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    Time: 02:23:36 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: wing strut attachment geometry
    John, I thought I understood your question,,,but I know I don't understand your reply. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing strut attachment geometry Walt, I forgot, I'll have those diagonal flying wires in tension under the wing, so I feel better using a single bolt. Thanks again, John walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote: John, The upper fitting , where the streamlined meets the flat strap, there is a single bolt that the strut pivots on. My Mentor had me put the end of the streamlined tubing in a vise and flatten it down to the thickness of the flat strap. This way there is no up/down wobble. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing strut attachment geometry Hello group, I have a question regarding wing strut attachment (geometry) at the spars. I do not find any archived information on this subject. As we build our Piets with the wing leaning back a little, and the fact that by design, the lower wing strut attachment points are ahead of the upper wing strut attachment points, the struts will also need to lean back accordingly. As a result, the strut/s will not be aligned with the spar/s. Let's assume we use hollow streamline tubing for strut material (aluminum or steel), and let's assume we are fabricating an upper strut fitting with the hole perpendicular to the strut as shown in photos from previous "fitting" discussions. My question is "how do we assemble the strut/s to the wing at some required angle to attach the lower end of the strut/s to the fuselage without having some kind of capability for angular adjustment at the upper fitting?" I have looked at many Piets at Brodhead, and if I recall correctly, they all appear to have similar upper fittings where they get attached to the flat steel coming off the spars with a perpendiculr hole drilled through the fittings, and they all look like nice fabrications without any twisting. Thank you again everyone. It seems that I have been asking my share of questions lately and I appreciate the help. John href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List


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    Time: 02:56:39 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: wing strut attachment geometry
    Here's the picture: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/P6210018.JPG There is a bolt (vertical) that holds the attach fitting (strap) into the end of the streamline tubing and another (fore-and-aft) that holds the attach fitting to the wing. In this picture (John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet") there is the added feature of a wing tiedown point, but you can see that the X-brace wires have tabs that the bolt through the wing attach fittings capture. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and morethen map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001


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    Time: 03:06:54 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: wing strut attachment geometry
    In a message dated 11/13/2006 11:42:04 AM Central Standard Time, johnegan99@yahoo.com writes: My question is "how do we assemble the strut/s to the wing at some required angle to attach the lower end of the strut/s to the fuselage without having some kind of capability for angular adjustment at the upper fitting?" And remember to design the Jury Struts to be able to adjust for & aft, with the bolts in the lateral direction. I made my Lift Strut Attachments according to the plans...I call them 'Lollypop Fittings'. The two bolts running perpendicular to each other allows the wing to pivot. I have a good picture of how I did the lower Jury Strut Attachment at my web site, down toward the bottom of the page at: http://nx770cg.com/Wing.html It's best if you have a high speed connection, because I have so many pictures there to download. I now have some actual moving parts on my Tailwind, and I just recently updated the 'Next Project Tailwind' page too, at: http://nx770cg.com/NextProjectTailwind.html Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 03:26:18 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Who's flying to Broadhead 07 from PA, WV, OH
    In a message dated 11/13/2006 7:51:04 AM Central Standard Time, csfog@earthlink.net writes: Haven't planned the trip yet, but looks like 2 days, or one real long day in a Piet. Skip, Making it a two day trip is Much more enjoyable, because you don't have 'Git There Itis', and you can spend extra time when you're at the fuel stops to allow all the folks that come out of the woodwork to check out your plane...and answer all the most popular questions: "What is that ?" "Is it a kit ?" "Waddya mean you Scratch Built it ???" And, "Where are you going / coming from ?" Then, of course, they have to take your picture...so you simply have to plan for all this extra time spent at the stops. People will walk right past a $200,000 airplane to get a close up and personal look at your plane !! The Journey is the Reward !! Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 03:26:46 PM PST US
    Subject: wing strut attachment geometry
    From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
    Holy Cow Chuck, you're making some progress on the Tailwind! Jack Textor Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing strut attachment geometry In a message dated 11/13/2006 11:42:04 AM Central Standard Time, johnegan99@yahoo.com writes: My question is "how do we assemble the strut/s to the wing at some required angle to attach the lower end of the strut/s to the fuselage without having some kind of capability for angular adjustment at the upper fitting?" And remember to design the Jury Struts to be able to adjust for & aft, with the bolts in the lateral direction. I made my Lift Strut Attachments according to the plans...I call them 'Lollypop Fittings'. The two bolts running perpendicular to each other allows the wing to pivot. I have a good picture of how I did the lower Jury Strut Attachment at my web site, down toward the bottom of the page at: http://nx770cg.com/Wing.html It's best if you have a high speed connection, because I have so many pictures there to download. I now have some actual moving parts on my Tailwind, and I just recently updated the 'Next Project Tailwind' page too, at: http://nx770cg.com/NextProjectTailwind.html Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 03:33:13 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: wing strut attachment geometry
    In a message dated 11/13/2006 5:28:46 PM Central Standard Time, jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes: Holy Cow Chuck, you=99re making some progress on the Tailwind! Jack Textor Do not archive Yeah, I've got to get 'er flying before Jack P. sells his spam can... :) I'm hoping to complete the wood wings this winter...in my climate controlled Dining Room !! Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 04:18:09 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Who's flying to Broadhead 07 from PA, WV, OH
    Chet, I live in Tennessee (half way between Nashville and Memphis) and plan on flying to Broadhead with my Piet. Where in Missouri are you? Any luck with the engine yet? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1@mchsi.com> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying to Broadhead 07 from PA, WV, OH > <Chethartley1@mchsi.com> > > John: > > I plan to fly MR. Hicks piet to Broadhead this year, but Missouir is a > little out of your way. But that does not mean we can not fly there > togeather. > > Chet Hartley > N920Y > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rock-a-Wing" <john.rocca@us.army.mil> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:36 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying to Broadhead 07 from PA, WV, OH > > >> <john.rocca@us.army.mil> >> >> Who's planning on flying their Pietenpol to Broadhead next year. God >> willing I should have my Piet ready to go and would like to make the >> trip. This would be a first time for me and I would rather fly there with >> a wingman(s) >> John >> Pittsburgh >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73963#73963 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 04:33:34 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Brodhead
    I will definetly be there, although I may not be flying down this year. I hope to have my new Piet done by then and hopefully will trailer it down as test flights will just be begining. Dick N.


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    Time: 07:05:02 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Tailwind (not Piet!)
    No, not GN-1, either! I will have to say that one of the very first issues of Sport Aviation that I ever had my hands on back in the 70s, and suddenly realized that it was possible for ordinary earthlings to build an airplane that could fly in the same airspace as certified aircraft, featured a Wittman Tailwind that was built by a gentleman with such talent and attention to detail as I had never before seen in my life. The project was described over many pages in the magazine and described how he improved a thing or two here and there, and it was a most astonishingly beautiful airplane to my little spam can eyes! I sure wish I could remember who wrote that article and built that Tailwind; I have the searchable Sport Aviation archive on CD and should just search for Tailwinds, but I remember sitting up late at night reading those first copies of Sport Aviation and marvelling at how, even just in a wishful dream, I might could... maybe... naw... me?... build and fly... a real airplane? And it could have real instruments just like real airplanes, and could fly hundreds and thousands of hours and the FAA would let you do it, here in the radio controlled states of America? Wow! Nobody ever told me! Carry on, Chuck. If I didn't dislike that oddball single/dual control yoke thing, I'd love Tailwinds all to pieces. Simple, efficient, fast, clean lines... and I did mention over on the Corvair list how I thought the Buttercup would be a marriage made in heaven with the Corvair on the nose. The Buttercup is just as nice as the Tailwind in many respects. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 07:11:29 PM PST US
    From: "Kevin Ross" <ross@st-tel.net>
    Subject: High Altitude Ford Performance.
    Hi, Do you seasoned Piet Pilots with Ford A power think an "A" can be modified enough to put out the power needed to fly a long fuselage Piet at it's max gross weight in the Summer out of an airport with 4,000 feet elevation? Lots of density altitude. Runway length will be plenty 5,500 feet. If so what engine and/or airframe modifications would you guys recommend? Thanks, Kevin


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    Time: 08:05:41 PM PST US
    From: "glich7@juno.com" <glich7@juno.com>
    Subject: Have fun
    Roman and listers, I usually don't pick on typing technique, but intentional or not yours just made my day. "Hi Prople who hope to fly to Brodhead in 07..." Probably just a wrong key, but I read it has a clever hybrid or compound word referring to those who love Real Airplanes. (Prop People... Propeller People...ahhhh.) Hoo boy! Maybe it's only funny to me. Anyway, I just wanted to second everything about Bill Rewey. I only met him briefly but he seemed to live up to all the praise. Have fun with your newly purchased bird. For Piet's sake DO NOT ARCHIVE Tim "Easily Amused" Hansen in Orient, OH ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 08:53:59 PM PST US
    From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
    Subject: Varnish
    Hey Chuck G. I noticed on your webpage you used ACE brand Spar Varnish. How did it hold up to the covering chemicals? Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com


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    Time: 10:49:41 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Varnish
    In a message dated 11/13/2006 10:55:35 PM Central Standard Time, catdesigns@comcast.net writes: I noticed on your webpage you used ACE brand Spar Varnish. How did it hold up to the covering chemicals? No problems, Chris. I included the part number there, too. Just allow it to cure 100%...maybe a couple of days. I use it exclusively to protect all the wood, even the prop. However, the last time I reworked my prop, I used West System Epoxy / Fiberglass, to protect the prop. Chuck G. NX770CG p.s. You've got a great web site there !!


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    Time: 11:20:17 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Tailwind (not Piet!)
    In a message dated 11/13/2006 9:06:30 PM Central Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: Carry on, Chuck. If I didn't dislike that oddball single/dual control yoke thing, I'd love Tailwinds all to pieces. Simple, efficient, fast, clean lines... and I did mention over on the Corvair list how I thought the Buttercup would be a marriage made in heaven with the Corvair on the nose. The Buttercup is just as nice as the Tailwind in many respects. C'mon Oscar !! That oddball single / duel control yoke speaks volumes about simplicity !! Another very interesting aspect of the Tailwind, is how the leading edge of the wing is designed. The inboard portion of the wing angles back in to the fuselage, and at high angle of attack, allows air to spill over, and accelerate, over the top of the fuselage, which then the fuselage actually becomes more of a lifting body, and reduces wing tip vortices. This is how he designed a high speed airplane, with very gentle stall characteristics. Just before his demise, Steve Wittman was working on incorporating that movable leading edge concept (ala Buttercup wing) to the Tailwind wing. Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 11:23:21 PM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: High Altitude Ford Performance.
    You need to see this; http://users.aol.com/gmaclaren/dyno.html Also understand that reliability is inversly propotional to any hotrodding one does. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Ross To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: High Altitude Ford Performance. Hi, Do you seasoned Piet Pilots with Ford A power think an "A" can be modified enough to put out the power needed to fly a long fuselage Piet at it's max gross weight in the Summer out of an airport with 4,000 feet elevation? Lots of density altitude. Runway length will be plenty 5,500 feet. If so what engine and/or airframe modifications would you guys recommend? Thanks, Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 11/13/2006




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