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1. 12:35 AM - Piet & Vimy Ridge Documentary followup (Shawn Wolk)
2. 08:19 AM - Re: need advise this is way off topic (Ben Ramler)
3. 08:50 AM - Re: need advise this is way off topic (Jim Markle)
4. 09:20 AM - Re: need advise this is way off topic (Ben Ramler)
5. 09:22 AM - Re: need advise this is way off topic ()
6. 05:32 PM - Re: need advise this is way off topic (Gary Gower)
7. 06:00 PM - need advise this is way off topic (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 06:43 PM - Re: need advise this is way off topic (Greg Bacon)
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Subject: | Piet & Vimy Ridge Documentary followup |
The film is a documentary on the 3 dimensions (air, ground, and
undeground) that the Canadian Forces used at the Battle of Vimy Ridge on
April 9 - 12, 1917. The documentary will focus on the underground
tunnels that were used to house troops, move in supplies, and undermine
with explosive the german trenches. The ground war of infantry and
artillery. And the aerial war displaying how aircraft were used to spot
and direct artillery fire by morse code back to the allied lines.
The filming consisted of ground to air, air to air with a camera
mounted on a helicopter. A camera in the front seat, and a camera
mounted on the front cabane & wing struts shooting back toward both seat
positions with the ground in the background. I have seen the raw footage
taken, and with the very high quality equipment the filming is
fantastic. I'm sure once the editors do there magic, the film will have
some incredible flying sequences.
Since it's a documentary, the producers were comfortable with using
the Pietenpol. The likely original aircraft was a BE-2, of which there
are none airworthy in the world anymore. Or a Sopwith 1/2 Strutter. And
the only flying one in Canada had a recent engine failure. At least the
Pietenpol does have the open cockpit, and speed range that the original
types would have had. It was about -6C during the filming, and this
would have been very similar to actual conditions on the days of the
original battle.
The film is a 90 minute special that will debut on the 'History
Channel' in Canada on April 9th 2007. On the 90th anniversary of the
battle. Unfortunately for you all south of the border, I have no idea if
this film will be broadcasted in the USA. I will be getting a personal
copy of the film. And either myself or someone else from my home field
will take a copy to Broadhead with them.
Shawn Wolk
C-FRAZ 1933 Pietenpol Aircamper
Winnipeg, MB
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Subject: | Re: need advise this is way off topic |
Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group,
my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so over rated
it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my friend to. I have
done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've been to broadhead with my
dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which.
----- Original Message ----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:35:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic
ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com wrote:
>So I need help and a little guidence. I know this forum is less hostile.
Yes, this forum is less hostile but it will not lead you to:
-a glass cockpit with IFR capabilities and full electric system;
-an airplane that cruises in the triple digits;
-redundant systems;
-an airplane with an enclosed cockpit and cabin heat;
-an airplane with a $15,000 engine;
-something you build from parts that you took out of a big box
-paint jobs that cost more than the airplane.
If any of your goals for building or flying include the above, you probably
won't find it here.
Ben, you need to go out to an airport on a nice Saturday and watch the
airplanes fly, peek into hangars, look at airplanes that are sitting on the
ramp, and find one that grabs you. One that you like, one that sounds nice,
one that smells nice, one that you want to get into and fly. That's the one
you want to work on because it has to grab you in the heart first. A roll
of plans won't do it, and neither will an advertisement or a price tag or a
pretty paint job. The airplane has to give you "the wink", like a pretty
girl does, and not just one that's wearing a lot of makeup and a short
skirt. When you get "the wink" and your heart skips, that's your girl...
and your airplane.
Since you're here on the Pietenpol list, I think an old wood-and-fabric
airplane already gave you "the wink". I'll bet there are a good bunch of
people in Minnesota who are building or flying Pietenpols that you can look
at, smell, listen to, and maybe fly in. Maybe somebody here on the list
will hook up with you to see if the Aircamper is "the girl next door" for
you. If so, don't expect to do anything in a big hurry... building, flying,
or anything else. We don't move too fast here but that's half the fun.
Guys that are in a hurry tend to pass by the girl without even noticing "the
wink" ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: need advise this is way off topic |
Well, not to mess things up too much...but if all you want to do is go flying,
a homebuilt like a Piet may only frustrate you.
Consider what a lot of other homebuilders have done: Buy an old Champ, Cessna
120, 150 or similar so you can "go flying".....while you make sawdust building
that Air Camper!
I wouldn't dream of trying to change your focus.....but "plans built" homebuilding
projects won't scratch that itch for you....for a LONG time!
Actually, as I sit here looking out the window at a beautiful clear blue sky....all
I want to do is go flying!!!!
Jim in (kinda) cold NE Oklahoma.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Nov 16, 2006 10:19 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic
>
>
>Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group,
>
> my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so over rated
it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my friend to. I have
done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've been to broadhead with
my dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which.
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Subject: | Re: need advise this is way off topic |
but jim do realize how much a 150 or a champ goes for..........way to much! Its
easier for me to build then go flying! Besides sawdust is fun!
Ben R
St. Cloud, MN
----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:50:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic
Well, not to mess things up too much...but if all you want to do is go flying,
a homebuilt like a Piet may only frustrate you.
Consider what a lot of other homebuilders have done: Buy an old Champ, Cessna
120, 150 or similar so you can "go flying".....while you make sawdust building
that Air Camper!
I wouldn't dream of trying to change your focus.....but "plans built" homebuilding
projects won't scratch that itch for you....for a LONG time!
Actually, as I sit here looking out the window at a beautiful clear blue sky....all
I want to do is go flying!!!!
Jim in (kinda) cold NE Oklahoma.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Nov 16, 2006 10:19 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic
>
>
>Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group,
>
> my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so over rated
it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my friend to. I have
done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've been to broadhead with
my dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which.
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Subject: | need advise this is way off topic |
Some of us are builders and some are flyers and some are both.I come
under the second category.I bought a Piet that was just about finished
hoping I could get airborn ASAP.As it turned out it took longer than I
figured and I almost gave up on the project.I kept going because of this
web page.It gave me what I needed and I'm not just talking about
information.There is a spirit here you can't explain.I love to fly my
Piet now but Jim has a point here;if your not a builder then stay away
from it because it will drive you nuts.Good luck in what ever you do.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Markle
Sent: November 16, 2006 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Well, not to mess things up too much...but if all you want to do is go
flying, a homebuilt like a Piet may only frustrate you.
Consider what a lot of other homebuilders have done: Buy an old Champ,
Cessna 120, 150 or similar so you can "go flying".....while you make
sawdust building that Air Camper!
I wouldn't dream of trying to change your focus.....but "plans built"
homebuilding projects won't scratch that itch for you....for a LONG
time!
Actually, as I sit here looking out the window at a beautiful clear blue
sky....all I want to do is go flying!!!!
Jim in (kinda) cold NE Oklahoma.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Nov 16, 2006 10:19 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic
>
<ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group,
>
> my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so
over rated it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my
friend to. I have done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've
been to broadhead with my dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which.
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Subject: | Re: need advise this is way off topic |
Ben,
A good idea will be a co-ownership of an airplane in a Club or airport... 6
owners that share costs and pay the bills for the hour in porcentage...
When the time comes that one finishes his project, he can "sell" his share to
a new builder... and fly his own project... for exampe, a 12,000 plane will
cost him only 2,000 plus expenses and then later he can get his 2,000 back...
Given all builders (have an AP as member), can keep the airplane in pristine
flying condition to all get their money back later. A amount every hour cost
will be saved to pay the engine overhaul when time comes... For example (just
plain numbers exercise not real costs: 8,000.00 for the engine overhaul / 1,500
hrs will give about $ 5.50 dls the hour in a clubs save account for the overhaul).
Fixed costs as insurance, hangar, etc. are paid in montly basis. Every pilots
pays its gasoline (tanks always full after each flight).
Could work if you find the proper "share holders".
Worked here with 10 co-owners in a C-182 for about 6 years until two of them
"bought" all others out, the plane was in perfect shape.
Here flying is more expensive, believe me.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Do not archive.
Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
but jim do realize how much a 150 or a champ goes for..........way to much! Its
easier for me to build then go flying! Besides sawdust is fun!
Ben R
St. Cloud, MN
----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Markle
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:50:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic
Well, not to mess things up too much...but if all you want to do is go flying,
a homebuilt like a Piet may only frustrate you.
Consider what a lot of other homebuilders have done: Buy an old Champ, Cessna 120,
150 or similar so you can "go flying".....while you make sawdust building
that Air Camper!
I wouldn't dream of trying to change your focus.....but "plans built" homebuilding
projects won't scratch that itch for you....for a LONG time!
Actually, as I sit here looking out the window at a beautiful clear blue sky....all
I want to do is go flying!!!!
Jim in (kinda) cold NE Oklahoma.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Ramler
>Sent: Nov 16, 2006 10:19 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic
>
>
>Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group,
>
> my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so over rated
it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my friend to. I have
done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've been to broadhead with
my dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which.
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Subject: | need advise this is way off topic |
Ben, here's an idea for you. Pietenpoler Carl Vought died recently and left
two very nice Piet projects uncompleted, both for sale. Buy one and you're
75% on the way to flying but can still enjoy completing the construction
process on an above-average workmanship project.
There is info available on the person who is handling inquiries on the
projects and materials for Carl's widow, Barbara. The projects are in
northern Alabama.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: need advise this is way off topic |
Ben,
There's a really nice O-200 piet currently up for sale on Barnstormers.
http://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php?PHPSESSID=b57446cc465a6aeefe8ef51821bb0929
Get a partner to share the cost of the bird and the hangar rent. You could
be flying RIGHT away!
Greg Bacon
Mtn. Piet Repairman
Prairie Home, MO
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Ramler" <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic
> <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
>
> but jim do realize how much a 150 or a champ goes for..........way to
> much! Its easier for me to build then go flying! Besides sawdust is fun!
>
> Ben R
>
> St. Cloud, MN
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:50:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic
>
>
> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> Well, not to mess things up too much...but if all you want to do is go
> flying, a homebuilt like a Piet may only frustrate you.
>
> Consider what a lot of other homebuilders have done: Buy an old Champ,
> Cessna 120, 150 or similar so you can "go flying".....while you make
> sawdust building that Air Camper!
>
> I wouldn't dream of trying to change your focus.....but "plans built"
> homebuilding projects won't scratch that itch for you....for a LONG time!
>
> Actually, as I sit here looking out the window at a beautiful clear blue
> sky....all I want to do is go flying!!!!
>
> Jim in (kinda) cold NE Oklahoma.....
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Nov 16, 2006 10:19 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic
>>
>><ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group,
>>
>> my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so over
>> rated it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my friend
>> to. I have done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've been to
>> broadhead with my dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which.
>
>
>
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