---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/16/06: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:35 AM - Piet & Vimy Ridge Documentary followup (Shawn Wolk) 2. 08:19 AM - Re: need advise this is way off topic (Ben Ramler) 3. 08:50 AM - Re: need advise this is way off topic (Jim Markle) 4. 09:20 AM - Re: need advise this is way off topic (Ben Ramler) 5. 09:22 AM - Re: need advise this is way off topic () 6. 05:32 PM - Re: need advise this is way off topic (Gary Gower) 7. 06:00 PM - need advise this is way off topic (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 06:43 PM - Re: need advise this is way off topic (Greg Bacon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:59 AM PST US From: "Shawn Wolk" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet & Vimy Ridge Documentary followup The film is a documentary on the 3 dimensions (air, ground, and undeground) that the Canadian Forces used at the Battle of Vimy Ridge on April 9 - 12, 1917. The documentary will focus on the underground tunnels that were used to house troops, move in supplies, and undermine with explosive the german trenches. The ground war of infantry and artillery. And the aerial war displaying how aircraft were used to spot and direct artillery fire by morse code back to the allied lines. The filming consisted of ground to air, air to air with a camera mounted on a helicopter. A camera in the front seat, and a camera mounted on the front cabane & wing struts shooting back toward both seat positions with the ground in the background. I have seen the raw footage taken, and with the very high quality equipment the filming is fantastic. I'm sure once the editors do there magic, the film will have some incredible flying sequences. Since it's a documentary, the producers were comfortable with using the Pietenpol. The likely original aircraft was a BE-2, of which there are none airworthy in the world anymore. Or a Sopwith 1/2 Strutter. And the only flying one in Canada had a recent engine failure. At least the Pietenpol does have the open cockpit, and speed range that the original types would have had. It was about -6C during the filming, and this would have been very similar to actual conditions on the days of the original battle. The film is a 90 minute special that will debut on the 'History Channel' in Canada on April 9th 2007. On the 90th anniversary of the battle. Unfortunately for you all south of the border, I have no idea if this film will be broadcasted in the USA. I will be getting a personal copy of the film. And either myself or someone else from my home field will take a copy to Broadhead with them. Shawn Wolk C-FRAZ 1933 Pietenpol Aircamper Winnipeg, MB ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:57 AM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group, my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so over rated it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my friend to. I have done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've been to broadhead with my dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which. ----- Original Message ---- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:35:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com wrote: >So I need help and a little guidence. I know this forum is less hostile. Yes, this forum is less hostile but it will not lead you to: -a glass cockpit with IFR capabilities and full electric system; -an airplane that cruises in the triple digits; -redundant systems; -an airplane with an enclosed cockpit and cabin heat; -an airplane with a $15,000 engine; -something you build from parts that you took out of a big box -paint jobs that cost more than the airplane. If any of your goals for building or flying include the above, you probably won't find it here. Ben, you need to go out to an airport on a nice Saturday and watch the airplanes fly, peek into hangars, look at airplanes that are sitting on the ramp, and find one that grabs you. One that you like, one that sounds nice, one that smells nice, one that you want to get into and fly. That's the one you want to work on because it has to grab you in the heart first. A roll of plans won't do it, and neither will an advertisement or a price tag or a pretty paint job. The airplane has to give you "the wink", like a pretty girl does, and not just one that's wearing a lot of makeup and a short skirt. When you get "the wink" and your heart skips, that's your girl... and your airplane. Since you're here on the Pietenpol list, I think an old wood-and-fabric airplane already gave you "the wink". I'll bet there are a good bunch of people in Minnesota who are building or flying Pietenpols that you can look at, smell, listen to, and maybe fly in. Maybe somebody here on the list will hook up with you to see if the Aircamper is "the girl next door" for you. If so, don't expect to do anything in a big hurry... building, flying, or anything else. We don't move too fast here but that's half the fun. Guys that are in a hurry tend to pass by the girl without even noticing "the wink" ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:47 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic Well, not to mess things up too much...but if all you want to do is go flying, a homebuilt like a Piet may only frustrate you. Consider what a lot of other homebuilders have done: Buy an old Champ, Cessna 120, 150 or similar so you can "go flying".....while you make sawdust building that Air Camper! I wouldn't dream of trying to change your focus.....but "plans built" homebuilding projects won't scratch that itch for you....for a LONG time! Actually, as I sit here looking out the window at a beautiful clear blue sky....all I want to do is go flying!!!! Jim in (kinda) cold NE Oklahoma..... -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Ramler >Sent: Nov 16, 2006 10:19 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic > > >Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group, > > my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so over rated it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my friend to. I have done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've been to broadhead with my dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:15 AM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic but jim do realize how much a 150 or a champ goes for..........way to much! Its easier for me to build then go flying! Besides sawdust is fun! Ben R St. Cloud, MN ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Markle Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:50:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic Well, not to mess things up too much...but if all you want to do is go flying, a homebuilt like a Piet may only frustrate you. Consider what a lot of other homebuilders have done: Buy an old Champ, Cessna 120, 150 or similar so you can "go flying".....while you make sawdust building that Air Camper! I wouldn't dream of trying to change your focus.....but "plans built" homebuilding projects won't scratch that itch for you....for a LONG time! Actually, as I sit here looking out the window at a beautiful clear blue sky....all I want to do is go flying!!!! Jim in (kinda) cold NE Oklahoma..... -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Ramler >Sent: Nov 16, 2006 10:19 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic > > >Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group, > > my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so over rated it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my friend to. I have done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've been to broadhead with my dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:21 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic From: Some of us are builders and some are flyers and some are both.I come under the second category.I bought a Piet that was just about finished hoping I could get airborn ASAP.As it turned out it took longer than I figured and I almost gave up on the project.I kept going because of this web page.It gave me what I needed and I'm not just talking about information.There is a spirit here you can't explain.I love to fly my Piet now but Jim has a point here;if your not a builder then stay away from it because it will drive you nuts.Good luck in what ever you do. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: November 16, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic Well, not to mess things up too much...but if all you want to do is go flying, a homebuilt like a Piet may only frustrate you. Consider what a lot of other homebuilders have done: Buy an old Champ, Cessna 120, 150 or similar so you can "go flying".....while you make sawdust building that Air Camper! I wouldn't dream of trying to change your focus.....but "plans built" homebuilding projects won't scratch that itch for you....for a LONG time! Actually, as I sit here looking out the window at a beautiful clear blue sky....all I want to do is go flying!!!! Jim in (kinda) cold NE Oklahoma..... -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Ramler >Sent: Nov 16, 2006 10:19 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic > > >Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group, > > my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so over rated it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my friend to. I have done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've been to broadhead with my dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:25 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic Ben, A good idea will be a co-ownership of an airplane in a Club or airport... 6 owners that share costs and pay the bills for the hour in porcentage... When the time comes that one finishes his project, he can "sell" his share to a new builder... and fly his own project... for exampe, a 12,000 plane will cost him only 2,000 plus expenses and then later he can get his 2,000 back... Given all builders (have an AP as member), can keep the airplane in pristine flying condition to all get their money back later. A amount every hour cost will be saved to pay the engine overhaul when time comes... For example (just plain numbers exercise not real costs: 8,000.00 for the engine overhaul / 1,500 hrs will give about $ 5.50 dls the hour in a clubs save account for the overhaul). Fixed costs as insurance, hangar, etc. are paid in montly basis. Every pilots pays its gasoline (tanks always full after each flight). Could work if you find the proper "share holders". Worked here with 10 co-owners in a C-182 for about 6 years until two of them "bought" all others out, the plane was in perfect shape. Here flying is more expensive, believe me. Saludos Gary Gower Flying from Chapala, Mexico. Do not archive. Ben Ramler wrote: but jim do realize how much a 150 or a champ goes for..........way to much! Its easier for me to build then go flying! Besides sawdust is fun! Ben R St. Cloud, MN ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Markle Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:50:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic Well, not to mess things up too much...but if all you want to do is go flying, a homebuilt like a Piet may only frustrate you. Consider what a lot of other homebuilders have done: Buy an old Champ, Cessna 120, 150 or similar so you can "go flying".....while you make sawdust building that Air Camper! I wouldn't dream of trying to change your focus.....but "plans built" homebuilding projects won't scratch that itch for you....for a LONG time! Actually, as I sit here looking out the window at a beautiful clear blue sky....all I want to do is go flying!!!! Jim in (kinda) cold NE Oklahoma..... -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Ramler >Sent: Nov 16, 2006 10:19 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic > > >Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group, > > my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so over rated it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my friend to. I have done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've been to broadhead with my dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:44 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic Ben, here's an idea for you. Pietenpoler Carl Vought died recently and left two very nice Piet projects uncompleted, both for sale. Buy one and you're 75% on the way to flying but can still enjoy completing the construction process on an above-average workmanship project. There is info available on the person who is handling inquiries on the projects and materials for Carl's widow, Barbara. The projects are in northern Alabama. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:47 PM PST US From: "Greg Bacon" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic Ben, There's a really nice O-200 piet currently up for sale on Barnstormers. http://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php?PHPSESSID=b57446cc465a6aeefe8ef51821bb0929 Get a partner to share the cost of the bird and the hangar rent. You could be flying RIGHT away! Greg Bacon Mtn. Piet Repairman Prairie Home, MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ramler" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic > > > but jim do realize how much a 150 or a champ goes for..........way to > much! Its easier for me to build then go flying! Besides sawdust is fun! > > Ben R > > St. Cloud, MN > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jim Markle > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:50:05 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic > > > > > Well, not to mess things up too much...but if all you want to do is go > flying, a homebuilt like a Piet may only frustrate you. > > Consider what a lot of other homebuilders have done: Buy an old Champ, > Cessna 120, 150 or similar so you can "go flying".....while you make > sawdust building that Air Camper! > > I wouldn't dream of trying to change your focus.....but "plans built" > homebuilding projects won't scratch that itch for you....for a LONG time! > > Actually, as I sit here looking out the window at a beautiful clear blue > sky....all I want to do is go flying!!!! > > Jim in (kinda) cold NE Oklahoma..... > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Ben Ramler >>Sent: Nov 16, 2006 10:19 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need advise this is way off topic >> >> >> >>Hi Oscar, Greg, and Group, >> >> my main to goal is to go flying! IFR and all that other stuff is so over >> rated it's not even funny. A simple airplane is all I need. and my friend >> to. I have done a lot of sitting at airports lately. Plus I've been to >> broadhead with my dad back in 1996 or 1997 don't remember which. > > >