---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/20/06: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:10 AM - Why? [Please Read] (Matt Dralle) 1. 03:23 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 2. 04:01 AM - spelling police (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 3. 04:09 AM - You Tube and Google Video (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 4. 06:04 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (Bill Church) 5. 07:25 AM - Re: Rotec piet (Dave Abramson) 6. 07:58 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... () 7. 08:03 AM - Re: Oklahoma Fly-in (Steve Ruse) 8. 08:31 AM - Re: Fuse questions... (Phillips, Jack) 9. 08:33 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (DJ Vegh) 10. 09:13 AM - website (Ben Ramler) 11. 09:20 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (Bill Church) 12. 10:29 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (Clif Dawson) 13. 10:31 AM - Re: The correct spelling (bike.mike) 14. 11:20 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (walt evans) 15. 11:43 AM - Re: Fuse questions... (walt evans) 16. 12:35 PM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (walt evans) 17. 12:35 PM - flies (walt evans) 18. 01:59 PM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (Steve Glass) 19. 03:26 PM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (walt evans) 20. 04:15 PM - Re: Oklahoma Fly-in (Rcaprd@aol.com) 21. 05:17 PM - Re: Progress and problems (shad bell) 22. 05:46 PM - Ohio area pietenpol gathering (shad bell) 23. 06:00 PM - Re: Gap Seal Tape (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 24. 06:17 PM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (Pietsrneat@AOL.COM) 25. 06:54 PM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (Clif Dawson) 26. 07:18 PM - Re: Rotec piet (Dick Navratil) 27. 07:19 PM - Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering (Don Emch) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:48 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Why? [Please Read] Dear Listers, Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience over the commercial equivalents. I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. 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If you use, appreciate, and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual List Fund Raiser! List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:51 AM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: spelling police From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Awe common', Oscar, I kant possubly ketch evry mispilling on the list. My reeding isn't that good. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: You Tube and Google Video From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Man guys, Jeff Boatright is absolutely right about You Tube and Google Video being addictive. There is just about anything that might interest you on there. I like to type in things that I have not been able to try to do yet---things like hang gliding, parasailing, ski jumping, and more. I've never driven the 7 mile bridge in the Keys so whala, there's a couple who posted a view of driving that stretch. A fun one to type in in r/c crash or r/c accident. Some of the footage these r/c guys (like our own DJ Vegh) shoot from their aerial platforms is just great----with side to side pan capabilities and all. You like Model A's ? Type in Model a running or Model A start up. Same for Corvair's, Subaru's, you name it. You can spend mucho amounts of time on those two web sites ! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... From: "Bill Church" Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:17 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rotec piet Hi Dick! Do you have any photos of your engine install? I am thinking to use a Rotec Radial on my Piet too! Best Regards, Dave Abramson -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rotec piet As things are a bit slow on the list, here is an update on my new Piet. The tail is finished with the special batch of Poly Tone that Stits made for me. I wanted it to look like leather stretched over a lamp shade and I am happy with the result, it is transluscent. I fit the wing center section on last week with temp fittings. Yesterday, I built the bellcrank assy and it will be installed this week. I am going with external rigging on the bellcrank. The wings are almost ready for covering, just some minor puttering left. Rotec e-mailed me last week. They say there are 3 other Piets now under construction. I know of 1 in N. Florida who is on the list here. Has anyone heard of anyone else? I'm still hoping mine is done for Brodhead. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... From: The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the summer.See the joke now? ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:53 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oklahoma Fly-in I hope you can make the next one, we are looking at February as a possibility. We desperately need a smoking Piet here! Yes, that is a comm antenna that I installed on the bottom of the nose. I wanted it inside the fuse, and may do that eventually, but it works great in that location as there was already sheet metal for a ground plane there. I have transmitted up to 90 miles air to air using my 5 watt handheld! I can regularly transmit 40 miles air to air. I made it with some brass brazing rod and nylon insulators from Home Depot, and a pre-terminated RG-58 cable from the local electronics shop. Total cost was under $10! Steve Quoting Rcaprd@aol.com: > In a message dated 11/19/2006 9:14:02 PM Central Standard Time, > steve@wotelectronics.com writes: > A few pictures from the fly-in. You local guys have to make the next one, > this was really a lot of fun. > Hey Steve, > I'm going to make it down there one of these days. I had to work this > weekend...kinda chilly for that flight anyways. > Great pictures !! > Is that a big long com antenna sticking down in front of the landing gear ? > > Chuck G. > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:14 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... From: "Phillips, Jack" A couple of concerns, Ken, I made my Pietenpol 1" wider than plans, and used the long fuselage plans. The result is a pretty heavy Pietenpol (empty weight 745 lbs), which climbs even worse than usual for a Piet. There are a couple of problems with the long, wide fuselage. The first is weight. SOme years ago, someone on this list compiled a list of Pietenpols at Brodhead, comparing their empty weights and CG locations. Every one of the long fuselage Piets came in at over 700 lbs, and a couple were over 800 lbs. You wouldn't think that adding 9" or so would add 50 to 100 lbs, but it seems to do so. Making it wider adds substantial weight as well. The other problem with a wider fuselage is in expense. With a 24" wide fuselage, you can use a single sheet of plywood ripped lengthwise for the floorboards and firewall. If you make it wider, you will use a lot more plywood, with substantial waste. The Pietenpol is supposed to have a gross weight of about 1050 lbs. If you weigh 254 lbs, and carry 10 gallons of gas, your airplane can only weigh 736 lbs EMPTY, and you'd probably better not plan on carrying any passengers. I have flown mine with myself and a 205 lb passenger, and 15 gallons of fuel on board, for a gross weight of 1,240 lbs. It flew, but I was glad we were flying off a 6,000' paved runway. Climb rate was a shade under 100 feet per minute. If I were to build another one, I would build the short fuselage and keep it standard width. I'm 6'2 and 200 lbs, and I've flown Mike Cuy's standard width, short fuse Piet and found it nearly as comfortable as my own, with a better climb rate. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:42 PM To: Pietenpol Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... Fellow Pieters: Question.....If you are going to build a wider fuselage would you build it 3" or 4" wider? Also, are they going to be any major changes is the structural integrity, rigging etc.... Lastly, for a guy who is 6'0 and 254lbs....is the current size of the plane comfortable? what modification if any have you made to improve function and comfort of this plane design. Ken H. Fargo, ND _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:59 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... If flies in the cockpit fly, does it reduce the flying weight of your plane as it flys? ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the summer.See the joke now? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet enpol-List ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:07 AM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Pietenpol-List: website Hello everyone, I was just wondering if anyone would object to using 2 pictures from the pictures gallery to put on my website! I will give the URL here on the forum when I am ready! thanks, Ben R. St. Cloud, MN ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:21 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... From: "Bill Church" Sorry Harvey, but flys just isn't proper English (in the U.S., nor in Canada). (here's a link to a quick explanation) http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/flys.html Honestly, I didn't get the joke. I just didn't see what was funny about what was written. I wasn't trying to be a nit-picker. For example, I wouldn't point out that you typed "ment" instead of "meant" in your posting. (sorry, couldn't resist) What IS funny is that now we are finding humour (humor) in things that are actually grammatically correct, and trying to "correct" them. I know my fingers don't always land on the keyboard where they were intended to land, but I always give my message a quick read before I spit it out into cyberspace. Maybe we should all make a habit of using the spell-checker before we hit "send". By the way, I'm pretty sure those pesky little bugs that drive ME nuts in the summer are called mosquitoes. Bill do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@bell.ca Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the summer.See the joke now? ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:34 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... I usually swat the little beggars! Ron just watches em fly by. Hahaha Clif Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:35 AM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling Their our to many possible errors in are language two go too. People should remember there education when they go they're. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Sorry Harvey, but flys just isn't proper English (in the U.S., nor in Canada). (here's a link to a quick explanation) [snip] ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:45 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... I think "flies" is correct walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the summer.See the joke now? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet enpol-List ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:24 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... MessageJack, I don't agree. I built the long fuse with an A-65 and 99.9% to plans. My empty weight was 595#. I was lucky to have a Mentor that was a stickler for not adding anything. I can't believe that 1" of 1/4 plywood and various fuse sticks account for 100#. Think you must have beefed here and there, and added one too many goodies. You know the old saying,,,"thinking of adding something that's not on the plans? Throw it up,,,if it comes back down,,,leave it off" Our strip is 2,550ft of asphalt. The Regs say that you have to be 400' and to the end of the runway before you make your turn climbing out. With just me (6'3" 210#) and 1/2 gas load I'll pass 400' before reaching the end of the runway. Now put my friend Bob in the front and it climbs kind of like a cub. Hard to imagine a Piet built 200# heavy, and that would be a climbout with just me. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... A couple of concerns, Ken, I made my Pietenpol 1" wider than plans, and used the long fuselage plans. The result is a pretty heavy Pietenpol (empty weight 745 lbs), which climbs even worse than usual for a Piet. There are a couple of problems with the long, wide fuselage. The first is weight. SOme years ago, someone on this list compiled a list of Pietenpols at Brodhead, comparing their empty weights and CG locations. Every one of the long fuselage Piets came in at over 700 lbs, and a couple were over 800 lbs. You wouldn't think that adding 9" or so would add 50 to 100 lbs, but it seems to do so. Making it wider adds substantial weight as well. The other problem with a wider fuselage is in expense. With a 24" wide fuselage, you can use a single sheet of plywood ripped lengthwise for the floorboards and firewall. If you make it wider, you will use a lot more plywood, with substantial waste. The Pietenpol is supposed to have a gross weight of about 1050 lbs. If you weigh 254 lbs, and carry 10 gallons of gas, your airplane can only weigh 736 lbs EMPTY, and you'd probably better not plan on carrying any passengers. I have flown mine with myself and a 205 lb passenger, and 15 gallons of fuel on board, for a gross weight of 1,240 lbs. It flew, but I was glad we were flying off a 6,000' paved runway. Climb rate was a shade under 100 feet per minute. If I were to build another one, I would build the short fuselage and keep it standard width. I'm 6'2 and 200 lbs, and I've flown Mike Cuy's standard width, short fuse Piet and found it nearly as comfortable as my own, with a better climb rate. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:42 PM To: Pietenpol Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... Fellow Pieters: Question.....If you are going to build a wider fuselage would you build it 3" or 4" wider? Also, are they going to be any major changes is the structural integrity, rigging etc.... Lastly, for a guy who is 6'0 and 254lbs....is the current size of the plane comfortable? what modification if any have you made to improve function and comfort of this plane design. Ken H. Fargo, ND _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:59 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... from,,, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fly see #9. It is correct! walt evans NX140DL Advertisement Top Web Results for "fly" 13 results for: fly View results from: Dictionary | Thesaurus | Encyclopedia | the Web Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source fly1 /fla?/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[flahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, flew or, for 11, 19, flied, flown, fly?ing, noun, plural flies. -verb (used without object) 1. to move through the air using wings. 2. to be carried through the air by the wind or any other force or agency: bits of paper flying about. 3. to float or flutter in the air: flags flying in the breeze. 4. to travel in an aircraft or spacecraft. 5. to move suddenly and quickly; start unexpectedly: He flew from the room. 6. to change rapidly and unexpectedly from one state or position to another: The door flew open. 7. to flee; escape. 8. to travel in space: The probe will fly past the planet. 9. to move or pass swiftly: How time flies! 10. to move with an aggressive surge: A mother fox will fly at anyone approaching her kits. 11. Baseball. a. to bat a fly ball: He flied into right field. b. to fly out. 12. Informal. to be acceptable, believable, or feasible: It seemed like a good idea, but it walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the summer.See the joke now? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet enpol-List ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:59 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flies Reminds me of the shortest actual poem,,,,, "Flies" Adam Had'em walt evans NX140DL do not archive "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:46 PM PST US From: "Steve Glass" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Hi Walt You said 13 meanings of fly and only listed 12. Hope I didn't catch you with your fly down! Best Regards Steve in Maine Home of the Black Fly Breeders Assoc. >From: "walt evans" >To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... >Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:25:01 -0500 > >from,,, >http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fly >see #9. > >It is correct! >walt evans >NX140DL > >Advertisement > > >Top Web Results for "fly" > > >13 results for: fly >View results from: Dictionary | Thesaurus | Encyclopedia | the Web > >Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source >fly1 /fla?/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[flahy] >Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, flew or, for 11, 19, >flied, flown, fly?ing, noun, plural flies. > >-verb (used without object) 1. to move through the air using wings. > 2. to be carried through the air by the wind or any other force or >agency: bits of paper flying about. > 3. to float or flutter in the air: flags flying in the breeze. > 4. to travel in an aircraft or spacecraft. > 5. to move suddenly and quickly; start unexpectedly: He flew from >the room. > 6. to change rapidly and unexpectedly from one state or position to >another: The door flew open. > 7. to flee; escape. > 8. to travel in space: The probe will fly past the planet. > 9. to move or pass swiftly: How time flies! > 10. to move with an aggressive surge: A mother fox will fly at >anyone approaching her kits. > 11. Baseball. a. to bat a fly ball: He flied into right field. > b. to fly out. > > 12. Informal. to be acceptable, believable, or feasible: It seemed >like a good idea, but it > >walt evans >NX140DL > >"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" >Ben Franklin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: harvey.rule@bell.ca > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:57 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... > > > The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and >I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do the >same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and Rebs >spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in what >he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is flying and >flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the summer.See the >joke now? > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church > Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... > > > Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? > > > Bill > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >Pietsrneat@aol.com > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... > > In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: > > I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do >you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! > > "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. > > do not archive > > >www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:39 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Steve, Nah, just cut and pasted some from the dictionary page. But it seems that "flies" is correct. Ain't Life Grand! walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Glass" Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... > > > Hi Walt > > You said 13 meanings of fly and only listed 12. Hope I didn't catch you > with your fly down! > > Best Regards > Steve in Maine > Home of the Black Fly Breeders Assoc. > > >>From: "walt evans" >>To: >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... >>Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:25:01 -0500 >> >>from,,, >>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fly >>see #9. >> >>It is correct! >>walt evans >>NX140DL >> >>Advertisement >> >> >>Top Web Results for "fly" >> >> >>13 results for: fly >>View results from: Dictionary | Thesaurus | Encyclopedia | the Web >> >>Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source >>fly1 /fla?/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[flahy] >>Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, flew or, for 11, 19, >>flied, flown, fly?ing, noun, plural flies. >> >>-verb (used without object) 1. to move through the air using wings. >> 2. to be carried through the air by the wind or any other force or >> agency: bits of paper flying about. >> 3. to float or flutter in the air: flags flying in the breeze. >> 4. to travel in an aircraft or spacecraft. >> 5. to move suddenly and quickly; start unexpectedly: He flew from >> the room. >> 6. to change rapidly and unexpectedly from one state or position to >> another: The door flew open. >> 7. to flee; escape. >> 8. to travel in space: The probe will fly past the planet. >> 9. to move or pass swiftly: How time flies! >> 10. to move with an aggressive surge: A mother fox will fly at >> anyone approaching her kits. >> 11. Baseball. a. to bat a fly ball: He flied into right field. >> b. to fly out. >> >> 12. Informal. to be acceptable, believable, or feasible: It seemed >> like a good idea, but it >> >>walt evans >>NX140DL >> >>"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" >>Ben Franklin >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: harvey.rule@bell.ca >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:57 AM >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... >> >> >> The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment >> and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do >> the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and >> Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in >> what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is >> flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the >> summer.See the joke now? >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill >> Church >> Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... >> >> >> >> >> >> Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> Pietsrneat@aol.com >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... >> >> In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: >> >> I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do >> you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! >> >> "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. >> >> do not archive >> >> >> www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends > list. > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:27 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oklahoma Fly-in In a message dated 11/20/2006 10:06:37 AM Central Standard Time, steve@wotelectronics.com writes: I hope you can make the next one, we are looking at February as a possibility. We desperately need a smoking Piet here! Yes, that is a comm antenna that I installed on the bottom of the nose. I wanted it inside the fuse, and may do that eventually, but it works great in that location as there was already sheet metal for a ground plane there. I have transmitted up to 90 miles air to air using my 5 watt handheld! I can regularly transmit 40 miles air to air. I made it with some brass brazing rod and nylon insulators from Home Depot, and a pre-terminated RG-58 cable from the local electronics shop. Total cost was under $10! Steve February !! Holy Crap !! That would be a very chilly flight !! I would have to be bundled up so much, it would cause a lot of extra drag, if I could even fit in my plans width, 632 lb. short fuselage. At least there wouldn't be any flys..or is it flies...or is it fly's out buzzing around :) I made an antenna from coax cable, that I separated the two leads, and stretched them apart under the turtle deck, totaling 42". I have an ICOM -5 Handheld, but I don't think it will broadcast 40 miles, but it does well in any local flying area...with a typical south wind I would call: "Norman Field, Zero Charlie Golf is Forty miles north, inbound for landing...in about an hour" Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:01 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress and problems Rick, As far as I am concerned I would rather deal with Wicks than A.S.S. (WOW! thats a appropriate abriviation). I usually deal with Wicks on lumber and usually recieve it in a couple of weeks. Although I am building a Jungster 1 not a Piet, it is all wood and all my spruce has been purchased from Wicks. I don't know whats been going on with A.S.S. lately but I have heard a lot of complaints about them as far as lumber orders, from screwed up orders to lack of customer service. On a side note 3/4 in spars are more than enough, Take a look at a Taylorcraft spar. They are longer and only 1/2 in thick, and the root end spar plates for wing attatch fittings are beveled down even more to keep the 1/8 in ply flush with the rest of the spar. My 2 cents Shad --------------------------------- Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:29 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio area pietenpol gathering Helo Group, Dad and I were talking the other day about possibly organizing an a gathering of Pietenpols from the Ohio area. We thought this would be a fun event for people who would love to fly to Brodhead but can't find the time to make the trip due to occupational or logistical reasons, as Brodhead can be a long long trip if weather takes an unexpected turn. I was just wondering how many of you would be interested in attending an Ohio Piet fly-in. I was thinking of one easy way to do this would be to keep touch next spring and meet up close to another sceduled fly in in the area fly in as a group. This would be a fun alternate to those who can't make it to Brodhead, and an added bonus to those who do make it to Brodhead. A few of the area fly-ins that come to mind are the Taylorcraft fly-in At Barber Field in Alliance, The WACO fly-in at Wyncoop in Mt Vernon Ohio, or any other grass airport fly-ins you all may know of. These airports would all be within 2-3 hrs flight time from almost anywhere in Ohio, and you could even sleep in your own bed that night. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:48 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gap Seal Tape Gene, What a great idea! I'm in the sign business...I should have thought of that. The crappiest vinyl I carry is guaranteed for five years (under normal circumstances). It is very durable. Also, the adhesive is quite tenacious and should hold 'till the cows come home. Ron ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:28 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... You are right, Bill. It just didn't look right to me after I posted it. I should have more confidence in myself. Ron Doo nut arkive do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:08 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Only if it's on the outside flapping like hell with it's legs glued to the top of your plane; http://www.markfelling.com/id385.htm Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... If flies in the cockpit fly, does it reduce the flying weight of your plane as it flys? ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the summer.See the joke now? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet enpol-List href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 11/20/2006 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:29 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rotec piet Dave Go to www.rotecradialengines.com Look for the tab on the left side of their site titled "Dicks Pietenpol" They have pics there. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Abramson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rotec piet Hi Dick! Do you have any photos of your engine install? I am thinking to use a Rotec Radial on my Piet too! Best Regards, Dave Abramson -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:07 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rotec piet As things are a bit slow on the list, here is an update on my new Piet. The tail is finished with the special batch of Poly Tone that Stits made for me. I wanted it to look like leather stretched over a lamp shade and I am happy with the result, it is transluscent. I fit the wing center section on last week with temp fittings. Yesterday, I built the bellcrank assy and it will be installed this week. I am going with external rigging on the bellcrank. The wings are almost ready for covering, just some minor puttering left. Rotec e-mailed me last week. They say there are 3 other Piets now under construction. I know of 1 in N. Florida who is on the list here. Has anyone heard of anyone else? I'm still hoping mine is done for Brodhead. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering From: "Don Emch" I was just thinking the same thing lately. I'd really like to help try to organize some kind of gathering in Ohio. There are several active Piet pilots in Ohio and I think we could make a decent showing. A few would include Will Graff, Mike Cuy, Frank Pavliga, Virgil Phillips, you and me, and I'm sure there's more. I'm sure the Barbers would accomodate us and their EAA chapter at the field would always like to sell more pancakes. I could talk to Forrest and get his opinion. They may be interested in hosting us. Or we could just plan to gather at another. The Taylorcraft and Aeronca fly-ins at Barber may work. Wynkoop field is a beautiful one and would be a good one to meet at for the Waco fly-in too. I think both of those have hosted Pietenpol Fly-ins in the past. Both are grass an' gas. Any other Buckeyes out there have any other suggestions? Let us know. 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