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2. 04:04 AM - Re: flies ()
3. 04:08 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... ()
4. 04:17 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... ()
5. 04:18 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... ()
6. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering (Kip and Beth Gardner)
7. 08:59 AM - fly-ins (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 09:44 AM - Re: spelling police (Gary Gower)
9. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
10. 03:05 PM - Re: Rotec piet (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
11. 03:40 PM - heavy piet (Gardiner Mason)
12. 04:03 PM - Re: High density altitude airport (Kirk, Bruce)
13. 06:06 PM - High Altitude Performance. (Kevin Ross)
14. 06:16 PM - Carl Vought's projects for sale (Oscar Zuniga)
15. 07:35 PM - Re: Re: High density altitude airport (Rick Holland)
16. 07:58 PM - Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering (Don Emch)
17. 09:36 PM - Re: Re: High density altitude airport (Clif Dawson)
18. 09:48 PM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (Gary Gower)
19. 10:13 PM - Re: Fuse questions... (Gary Gower)
20. 10:49 PM - Re: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering (Gary Gower)
21. 11:36 PM - Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering (Rock-a-Wing)
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Subject: | The correct spelling is advice..... |
You would need a lot of them.Actually an idea put forward by scientist
in the 17th century only using birds tied to your craft.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: November 20, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
Only if it's on the outside flapping like hell with it's legs
glued to the top of your plane;
http://www.markfelling.com/id385.htm
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh <mailto:dj@veghdesign.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
If flies in the cockpit fly, does it reduce the flying weight of
your plane as it flys?
----- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is
advice.....
The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know
what he ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because
I sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes
you Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do
see the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the
way ,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you
nuts in the summer.See the joke now?
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is
advice.....
Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that?
Bill
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Pietsrneat@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is
advice.....
In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern
Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes:
I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft
flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol!
"Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up.
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Man there sure is movement on the list now!Movement should start a whole
new string!
You guys are hilarious
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
evans
Sent: November 20, 2006 3:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flies
Reminds me of the shortest actual poem,,,,,
"Flies"
Adam Had'em
walt evans
NX140DL
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Subject: | The correct spelling is advice..... |
I stand corrected from what I see so far,my apoligies,keep em flizing!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
evans
Sent: November 20, 2006 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
I think "flies" is correct
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:57 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he
ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I
sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you
Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see
the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way
,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you
nuts in the summer.See the joke now?
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that?
Bill
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Pietsrneat@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard
Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes:
I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies
by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol!
"Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up.
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Subject: | The correct spelling is advice..... |
Thanks Bill.I use spell check sometimes but it doesn't look right to me
so I just use my own spelling.You see I was taught phonetics and it does
scew one up from time to time.Keep em flizing.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: November 20, 2006 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
Sorry Harvey, but flys just isn't proper English (in the U.S., nor in
Canada). (here's a link to a quick explanation)
http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/flys.html
Honestly, I didn't get the joke. I just didn't see what was funny about
what was written. I wasn't trying to be a nit-picker. For example, I
wouldn't point out that you typed "ment" instead of "meant" in your
posting. (sorry, couldn't resist)
What IS funny is that now we are finding humour (humor) in things that
are actually grammatically correct, and trying to "correct" them.
I know my fingers don't always land on the keyboard where they were
intended to land, but I always give my message a quick read before I
spit it out into cyberspace. Maybe we should all make a habit of using
the spell-checker before we hit "send".
By the way, I'm pretty sure those pesky little bugs that drive ME nuts
in the summer are called mosquitoes.
Bill
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and
I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do
the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and
Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour
in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is
flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the
summer.See the joke now?
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that?
Bill
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Pietsrneat@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Pietsrneat@aol.com writes:
I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and
what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol!
"Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up.
do not archive
www.aeroelectric.com
www.kitlog.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
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Subject: | The correct spelling is advice..... |
Absolutely!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Sent: November 20, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
If flies in the cockpit fly, does it reduce the flying weight of your
plane as it flys?
----- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he
ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I
sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you
Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see
the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way
,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you
nuts in the summer.See the joke now?
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that?
Bill
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Pietsrneat@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice.....
In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard
Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes:
I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies
by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol!
"Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up.
do not archive
www.aeroelectric.com
www.kitlog.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
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Subject: | Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering |
Hi Everyone,
I've pretty much been off-list and not building for quite a while,
but forced unemployment has gotten me motivated to get back to work
on my project, and since I had all the materials at hand to build
ribs, I'm finishing up my jig & back at it.
Anyway, I'd like to say that EAA Chapter 82 would be more than happy
to host a gaggle of Piets, and any of the Fly-ins at Barber would be
appropriate. Personally, I'd like to see that coordinated with our
Corvair Fly-In, a new event a Barber that we started this year (due
to bad weather, we had lots of Corvairs in cars, only one on an
airplane, but I hope we'll do better next year). I'm advocating a
change of date to some to time later in the summer, as weather in NE
Ohio is always iffy in June.
Anyway, This is just to let you all know that we have an event at
Barber that would LOVE to have the presence of Pietenpols (especially
ones with Corvairs, but we won't be choosy :). If the consensus of
regional folks is that Barber would be a good choice, let me know &
I'll bring it up at a chapter meeting.
At 7:19 PM -0800 11/20/06, Don Emch wrote:
>
>I was just thinking the same thing lately. I'd really like to help
>try to organize some kind of gathering in Ohio. There are several
>active Piet pilots in Ohio and I think we could make a decent
>showing. A few would include Will Graff, Mike Cuy, Frank Pavliga,
>Virgil Phillips, you and me, and I'm sure there's more. I'm sure
>the Barbers would accomodate us and their EAA chapter at the field
>would always like to sell more pancakes. I could talk to Forrest
>and get his opinion. They may be interested in hosting us. Or we
>could just plan to gather at another. The Taylorcraft and Aeronca
>fly-ins at Barber may work. Wynkoop field is a beautiful one and
>would be a good one to meet at for the Waco fly-in too. I think
>both of those have hosted Pietenpol Fly-ins in the past. Both are
>grass an' gas. Any other Buckeyes out there have any other
>suggestions? Let us know.
>Don Emch
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76006#76006
>
>
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North Canton, OH
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There is one less fly-in now, as many of you know. The SAA (Sport Aviation
Association) has ceased to be, per e-newsletter to members from Paul
Poberezny a week or two ago. The SAA fly-in at Frasca Field will no longer
be held. So... something else should step up and replace it, right?
Something off a grass strip, family-friendly, no airshow, no commercial
advertisements or bizjets.
Oscar Zuniga (SAA #1001)
San Antonio, TX
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website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: spelling police |
Mike,
Thats gud neus for de international bilders... :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
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Awe common', Oscar, I kant possubly ketch evry mispilling on the list.
My reeding isn't that
good.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering |
You can count me in. I am one state away in PA.
Ron
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In a message dated 11/20/2006 10:20:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
horzpool@goldengate.net writes:
Dave
Go to _www.rotecradialengines.com_ (http://www.rotecradialengines.com/)
Look for the tab on the left side of their site titled "Dicks Pietenpol" They
have pics there.
Dick
That is a SHARP Piet! That engine looks great.
Ron
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What kind of engine did Jack phillips use to get that poor performance?
I am building the long f uselage and 2 inches wider with a corvair
engine. I don't expect it to be a rocket, but it should do better than
he described. I have a cessna 140 with a C90 and with 1450 max gross it
climbs at 600fpm. Gardiner Mason
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Subject: | Re: High density altitude airport |
I live at an airport with an elevation of 3125' elevation
and in the summer it gets very hot.
What if any are the options of operating a Pietenpol in
and out of a strip with high density
altitudes. Do I turbo the c-85, or stick a bigger engine
on, or change props or even move to a lower elevation (no
really an option)?
Thanks
Bruce Kirk
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Subject: | High Altitude Performance. |
I am suprised the following post did not elict more responses from the
Ford A fliers on the list. After all the correct spelling of advice had
almost thirty relies. Kevin
Hi, Do you seasoned Piet Pilots with Ford A power think an "A" can be
modified enough to put out the power needed to fly a long fuselage Piet
at it's max gross weight in the Summer out of an airport with 4,000 feet
elevation? Lots of density altitude. Runway length will be plenty 5,500
feet. If so what engine and/or airframe modifications would you guys
recommend? Thanks, Kevin
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Subject: | Carl Vought's projects for sale |
OK, I'm just the messenger. Contact information on Carl's projects follows
=====================================
For sale in Huntsville, Alabama (must pick up in the next few weeks).
One Pietenpol on gear, maybe 75% complete, but lacking engine and
instruments (the red one shown at http://www.krnet.org/piet ). Built by Ray
Loritz??? of Chicago. Carl wouldn't have bought it had it not been nice.
Price is what Carl paid for it (not counting airline tickets and moving it
from Chicago)...$4800.
Another white one (unpainted) that's at least 90% done built by mechanical
engineer Carl Vought of Huntsville, Alabama (who recently passed away).
It's also shown at http://www.krnet.org/piet . The workmanship on Carl's
plane is impressive. The Model A engine goes with it. C arl knew as much
about aircraft engines as anybody on this planet, and designed and built the
"Buddy Twin" two cylinder ultralight engine a few years back. You can rest
assured that this engine was meticulously rebuilt, and is all back together
except that the head (which appears to be new) isn't bolted on yet.
Finishing up the engine was the last hurdle before Carl could fly the
airplane, and he had every intention of doing that before pneumonia
unexpectedly cut his life short. The price for this one is $8000, which is
only the price of parts for which receipts could be found. Everything that
looks like it's part of this plane is included.
We all know that this is a bargain, so these prices are pretty firm. Please
contact Bob Luther at 256-881-2245, or at cell phone 256-508-8533. We would
like to sell these planes in their entirety to one or two buyers and call it
done, so please don't ask to buy parts and pieces.
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your messenger,
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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Subject: | Re: High density altitude airport |
My airport is at 6840, over 10,000 density altitude on a hot day. Am going
with a Corvair (100 HP), will let you know if it's enough. I have flown 150s
(also 100 HP and 1000lbs empty weight) many times with a passenger from
similiar altitude airports and did ok so it should be enough.
Rick
On 11/21/06, Kirk, Bruce <bkirk@yccd.edu> wrote:
>
>
> I live at an airport with an elevation of 3125' elevation
> and in the summer it gets very hot.
> What if any are the options of operating a Pietenpol in
> and out of a strip with high density
> altitudes. Do I turbo the c-85, or stick a bigger engine
> on, or change props or even move to a lower elevation (no
> really an option)?
> Thanks
> Bruce Kirk
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering |
It sounds like Barber could work. Making it a Pietenpol/Corvair Fly-in might be
a good idea. I'll bet we could get a showing of Ford, Corvair, and Continental
powered ships without too much arm twisting. If we advertise we might get
more than just Buckeyes there too. With the nice weather forecast this week
I may try to fly over and see Forrest and see what he thinks and if others like
the idea, maybe you could bring it up at a chapter meeting Kip. What do you
think Shad?
Don E.
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Subject: | Re: High density altitude airport |
Don't forget the difference in wing area.
And don't forget, that 100 hp Lyc or Continental
started out life at the factory door with only 80
true horsepower.
Put those two together and what do you get?
Clif
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: High density altitude airport
My airport is at 6840, over 10,000 density altitude on a hot day. Am
going with a Corvair (100 HP), will let you know if it's enough. I have
flown 150s (also 100 HP and 1000lbs empty weight) many times with a
passenger from similiar altitude airports and did ok so it should be
enough.
Rick
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Subject: | The correct spelling is advice..... |
GEEEE... We international members are learning a lot of good english, Aviation
knowledge is only an extra free bonus... :-)
Thanks a lot to all of you.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Do not archive, por favor.
Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
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Section1 } Sorry Harvey, but flys just isn't proper English (in the U.S.,
nor in Canada). (here's a link to a quick explanation)
http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/flys.html
Honestly, I didn't get the joke. I just didn't see what was funny about what
was written. I wasn't trying to be a nit-picker. For example, I wouldn't point
out that you typed "ment" instead of "meant" in your posting. (sorry, couldn't
resist)
What IS funny is that now we are finding humour (humor) in things that are actually
grammatically correct, and trying to "correct" them.
I know my fingers don't always land on the keyboard where they were intended
to land, but I always give my message a quick read before I spit it out into cyberspace.
Maybe we should all make a habit of using the spell-checker before
we hit "send".
By the way, I'm pretty sure those pesky little bugs that drive ME nuts in the
summer are called mosquitoes.
Bill
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Subject: | Re: Fuse questions... |
When I sold my VP1 (built as the plans), some years ago, the new owner "rebuilt
it" because he thought was a dangerous wooden airplane as builded. He even
installed a triangular roll bar similar to the ones in the AT-6...
Story short, was so beefed up that never "flies" :-) right, was so heavy
that stall was over 65 mph and needed full power just to keep level, now is
in the local air museum :-(
Is very easy to overbuild a wooden project, 1/16" of wood at a time...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
Jack,
I don't agree. I built the long fuse with an A-65 and 99.9% to plans. My empty
weight was 595#.
I was lucky to have a Mentor that was a stickler for not adding anything.
I can't believe that 1" of 1/4 plywood and various fuse sticks account for 100#.
Think you must have beefed here and there, and added one too many goodies.
You know the old saying,,,"thinking of adding something that's not on the plans?
Throw it up,,,if it comes back down,,,leave it off"
Our strip is 2,550ft of asphalt. The Regs say that you have to be 400' and to
the end of the runway before you make your turn climbing out.
With just me (6'3" 210#) and 1/2 gas load I'll pass 400' before reaching the
end of the runway.
Now put my friend Bob in the front and it climbs kind of like a cub. Hard to
imagine a Piet built 200# heavy, and that would be a climbout with just me.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions...
A couple of concerns, Ken,
I made my Pietenpol 1" wider than plans, and used the long fuselage plans. The
result is a pretty heavy Pietenpol (empty weight 745 lbs), which climbs even
worse than usual for a Piet. There are a couple of problems with the long,
wide fuselage. The first is weight. SOme years ago, someone on this list compiled
a list of Pietenpols at Brodhead, comparing their empty weights and CG locations.
Every one of the long fuselage Piets came in at over 700 lbs, and a
couple were over 800 lbs. You wouldn't think that adding 9" or so would add
50 to 100 lbs, but it seems to do so. Making it wider adds substantial weight
as well. The other problem with a wider fuselage is in expense. With a 24"
wide fuselage, you can use a single sheet of plywood ripped lengthwise for the
floorboards and firewall. If you make it wider, you will use a lot more plywood,
with substantial waste.
The Pietenpol is supposed to have a gross weight of about 1050 lbs. If you weigh
254 lbs, and carry 10 gallons of gas, your airplane can only weigh 736 lbs
EMPTY, and you'd probably better not plan on carrying any passengers. I have
flown mine with myself and a 205 lb passenger, and 15 gallons of fuel on board,
for a gross weight of 1,240 lbs. It flew, but I was glad we were flying off
a 6,000' paved runway. Climb rate was a shade under 100 feet per minute.
If I were to build another one, I would build the short fuselage and keep it
standard width. I'm 6'2 and 200 lbs, and I've flown Mike Cuy's standard width,
short fuse Piet and found it nearly as comfortable as my own, with a better
climb rate.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions...
Fellow Pieters:
Question.....If you are going to build a wider fuselage would you build it 3"
or 4" wider? Also, are they going to be any major changes is the structural
integrity, rigging etc.... Lastly, for a guy who is 6'0 and 254lbs....is the current
size of the plane comfortable? what modification if any have you made to
improve function and comfort of this plane design.
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
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Subject: | Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering |
There is where the real FUN "flies" beguins...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Too far from Ohio... :-(
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Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
I was just thinking the same thing lately. I'd really like to help try to organize
some kind of gathering in Ohio. There are several active Piet pilots in Ohio
and I think we could make a decent showing. A few would include Will Graff,
Mike Cuy, Frank Pavliga, Virgil Phillips, you and me, and I'm sure there's more.
I'm sure the Barbers would accomodate us and their EAA chapter at the field
would always like to sell more pancakes. I could talk to Forrest and get his
opinion. They may be interested in hosting us. Or we could just plan to gather
at another. The Taylorcraft and Aeronca fly-ins at Barber may work. Wynkoop
field is a beautiful one and would be a good one to meet at for the Waco fly-in
too. I think both of those have hosted Pietenpol Fly-ins in the past. Both are
grass an' gas. Any other Buckeyes out there have any other suggestions? Let
us know.
Don Emch
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Subject: | Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering |
Count me in too [Laughing]
John
Pittsburgh
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