---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/21/06: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... () 2. 04:04 AM - Re: flies () 3. 04:08 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... () 4. 04:17 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... () 5. 04:18 AM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... () 6. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering (Kip and Beth Gardner) 7. 08:59 AM - fly-ins (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 09:44 AM - Re: spelling police (Gary Gower) 9. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 10. 03:05 PM - Re: Rotec piet (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 11. 03:40 PM - heavy piet (Gardiner Mason) 12. 04:03 PM - Re: High density altitude airport (Kirk, Bruce) 13. 06:06 PM - High Altitude Performance. (Kevin Ross) 14. 06:16 PM - Carl Vought's projects for sale (Oscar Zuniga) 15. 07:35 PM - Re: Re: High density altitude airport (Rick Holland) 16. 07:58 PM - Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering (Don Emch) 17. 09:36 PM - Re: Re: High density altitude airport (Clif Dawson) 18. 09:48 PM - Re: The correct spelling is advice..... (Gary Gower) 19. 10:13 PM - Re: Fuse questions... (Gary Gower) 20. 10:49 PM - Re: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering (Gary Gower) 21. 11:36 PM - Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering (Rock-a-Wing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... From: You would need a lot of them.Actually an idea put forward by scientist in the 17th century only using birds tied to your craft. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: November 20, 2006 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Only if it's on the outside flapping like hell with it's legs glued to the top of your plane; http://www.markfelling.com/id385.htm Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... If flies in the cockpit fly, does it reduce the flying weight of your plane as it flys? ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the summer.See the joke now? ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c h ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr o nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c h ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr o nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Date: 11/20/2006 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:05 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flies From: Man there sure is movement on the list now!Movement should start a whole new string! You guys are hilarious Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: November 20, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: flies Reminds me of the shortest actual poem,,,,, "Flies" Adam Had'em walt evans NX140DL do not archive "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... From: I stand corrected from what I see so far,my apoligies,keep em flizing! Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: November 20, 2006 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... I think "flies" is correct walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the summer.See the joke now? ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c h ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr o nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... From: Thanks Bill.I use spell check sometimes but it doesn't look right to me so I just use my own spelling.You see I was taught phonetics and it does scew one up from time to time.Keep em flizing. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: November 20, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Sorry Harvey, but flys just isn't proper English (in the U.S., nor in Canada). (here's a link to a quick explanation) http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/flys.html Honestly, I didn't get the joke. I just didn't see what was funny about what was written. I wasn't trying to be a nit-picker. For example, I wouldn't point out that you typed "ment" instead of "meant" in your posting. (sorry, couldn't resist) What IS funny is that now we are finding humour (humor) in things that are actually grammatically correct, and trying to "correct" them. I know my fingers don't always land on the keyboard where they were intended to land, but I always give my message a quick read before I spit it out into cyberspace. Maybe we should all make a habit of using the spell-checker before we hit "send". By the way, I'm pretty sure those pesky little bugs that drive ME nuts in the summer are called mosquitoes. Bill do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@bell.ca Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the summer.See the joke now? ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c h ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr o nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:24 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... From: Absolutely! Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Sent: November 20, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... If flies in the cockpit fly, does it reduce the flying weight of your plane as it flys? ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... The spelling should be,flys by not flies by.We all know what he ment and I'm not one for pointing out spelling mistakes because I sometimes do the same thing with my little fat fingers and sometimes you Yanks and Rebs spell things different than we Canucks do.But I do see the humour in what he wrote afterwards.(humor,humour)example. By the way ,flys is flying and flies are those pesky little bugs that drive you nuts in the summer.See the joke now? ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: November 20, 2006 9:03 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... Okay, I don't get it. What's so funny about that? Bill ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietsrneat@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:31 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pietsrneat@aol.com writes: I looked up (like I always do when any aircraft flies by) and what do you think it was?Yes, a Pietenpol! "Flies" by? Sometimes I crack myself up. do not archive www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c h ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr o nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:34 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering Hi Everyone, I've pretty much been off-list and not building for quite a while, but forced unemployment has gotten me motivated to get back to work on my project, and since I had all the materials at hand to build ribs, I'm finishing up my jig & back at it. Anyway, I'd like to say that EAA Chapter 82 would be more than happy to host a gaggle of Piets, and any of the Fly-ins at Barber would be appropriate. Personally, I'd like to see that coordinated with our Corvair Fly-In, a new event a Barber that we started this year (due to bad weather, we had lots of Corvairs in cars, only one on an airplane, but I hope we'll do better next year). I'm advocating a change of date to some to time later in the summer, as weather in NE Ohio is always iffy in June. Anyway, This is just to let you all know that we have an event at Barber that would LOVE to have the presence of Pietenpols (especially ones with Corvairs, but we won't be choosy :). If the consensus of regional folks is that Barber would be a good choice, let me know & I'll bring it up at a chapter meeting. At 7:19 PM -0800 11/20/06, Don Emch wrote: > >I was just thinking the same thing lately. I'd really like to help >try to organize some kind of gathering in Ohio. There are several >active Piet pilots in Ohio and I think we could make a decent >showing. A few would include Will Graff, Mike Cuy, Frank Pavliga, >Virgil Phillips, you and me, and I'm sure there's more. I'm sure >the Barbers would accomodate us and their EAA chapter at the field >would always like to sell more pancakes. I could talk to Forrest >and get his opinion. They may be interested in hosting us. Or we >could just plan to gather at another. The Taylorcraft and Aeronca >fly-ins at Barber may work. Wynkoop field is a beautiful one and >would be a good one to meet at for the Waco fly-in too. I think >both of those have hosted Pietenpol Fly-ins in the past. Both are >grass an' gas. Any other Buckeyes out there have any other >suggestions? Let us know. >Don Emch > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76006#76006 > > -- North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:48 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: fly-ins There is one less fly-in now, as many of you know. The SAA (Sport Aviation Association) has ceased to be, per e-newsletter to members from Paul Poberezny a week or two ago. The SAA fly-in at Frasca Field will no longer be held. So... something else should step up and replace it, right? Something off a grass strip, family-friendly, no airshow, no commercial advertisements or bizjets. Oscar Zuniga (SAA #1001) San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:04 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spelling police Mike, Thats gud neus for de international bilders... :-) Saludos Gary Gower. Do not archive. Awe common', Oscar, I kant possubly ketch evry mispilling on the list. My reeding isn't that good. Mike C. do not archive --------------------------------- Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:40 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering You can count me in. I am one state away in PA. Ron ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:57 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rotec piet In a message dated 11/20/2006 10:20:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, horzpool@goldengate.net writes: Dave Go to _www.rotecradialengines.com_ (http://www.rotecradialengines.com/) Look for the tab on the left side of their site titled "Dicks Pietenpol" They have pics there. Dick That is a SHARP Piet! That engine looks great. Ron do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:03 PM PST US From: "Gardiner Mason" Subject: Pietenpol-List: heavy piet What kind of engine did Jack phillips use to get that poor performance? I am building the long f uselage and 2 inches wider with a corvair engine. I don't expect it to be a rocket, but it should do better than he described. I have a cessna 140 with a C90 and with 1450 max gross it climbs at 600fpm. Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:02 PM PST US From: "Kirk, Bruce" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: High density altitude airport I live at an airport with an elevation of 3125' elevation and in the summer it gets very hot. What if any are the options of operating a Pietenpol in and out of a strip with high density altitudes. Do I turbo the c-85, or stick a bigger engine on, or change props or even move to a lower elevation (no really an option)? Thanks Bruce Kirk ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:55 PM PST US From: "Kevin Ross" Subject: Pietenpol-List: High Altitude Performance. I am suprised the following post did not elict more responses from the Ford A fliers on the list. After all the correct spelling of advice had almost thirty relies. Kevin Hi, Do you seasoned Piet Pilots with Ford A power think an "A" can be modified enough to put out the power needed to fly a long fuselage Piet at it's max gross weight in the Summer out of an airport with 4,000 feet elevation? Lots of density altitude. Runway length will be plenty 5,500 feet. If so what engine and/or airframe modifications would you guys recommend? Thanks, Kevin ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:31 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carl Vought's projects for sale OK, I'm just the messenger. Contact information on Carl's projects follows ===================================== For sale in Huntsville, Alabama (must pick up in the next few weeks). One Pietenpol on gear, maybe 75% complete, but lacking engine and instruments (the red one shown at http://www.krnet.org/piet ). Built by Ray Loritz??? of Chicago. Carl wouldn't have bought it had it not been nice. Price is what Carl paid for it (not counting airline tickets and moving it from Chicago)...$4800. Another white one (unpainted) that's at least 90% done built by mechanical engineer Carl Vought of Huntsville, Alabama (who recently passed away). It's also shown at http://www.krnet.org/piet . The workmanship on Carl's plane is impressive. The Model A engine goes with it. C arl knew as much about aircraft engines as anybody on this planet, and designed and built the "Buddy Twin" two cylinder ultralight engine a few years back. You can rest assured that this engine was meticulously rebuilt, and is all back together except that the head (which appears to be new) isn't bolted on yet. Finishing up the engine was the last hurdle before Carl could fly the airplane, and he had every intention of doing that before pneumonia unexpectedly cut his life short. The price for this one is $8000, which is only the price of parts for which receipts could be found. Everything that looks like it's part of this plane is included. We all know that this is a bargain, so these prices are pretty firm. Please contact Bob Luther at 256-881-2245, or at cell phone 256-508-8533. We would like to sell these planes in their entirety to one or two buyers and call it done, so please don't ask to buy parts and pieces. ---------------------------------------------------- your messenger, Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ View Athletes Collections with Live Search http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:35 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: High density altitude airport My airport is at 6840, over 10,000 density altitude on a hot day. Am going with a Corvair (100 HP), will let you know if it's enough. I have flown 150s (also 100 HP and 1000lbs empty weight) many times with a passenger from similiar altitude airports and did ok so it should be enough. Rick On 11/21/06, Kirk, Bruce wrote: > > > I live at an airport with an elevation of 3125' elevation > and in the summer it gets very hot. > What if any are the options of operating a Pietenpol in > and out of a strip with high density > altitudes. Do I turbo the c-85, or stick a bigger engine > on, or change props or even move to a lower elevation (no > really an option)? > Thanks > Bruce Kirk > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering From: "Don Emch" It sounds like Barber could work. Making it a Pietenpol/Corvair Fly-in might be a good idea. I'll bet we could get a showing of Ford, Corvair, and Continental powered ships without too much arm twisting. If we advertise we might get more than just Buckeyes there too. With the nice weather forecast this week I may try to fly over and see Forrest and see what he thinks and if others like the idea, maybe you could bring it up at a chapter meeting Kip. What do you think Shad? Don E. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76246#76246 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:26 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: High density altitude airport Don't forget the difference in wing area. And don't forget, that 100 hp Lyc or Continental started out life at the factory door with only 80 true horsepower. Put those two together and what do you get? Clif Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: High density altitude airport My airport is at 6840, over 10,000 density altitude on a hot day. Am going with a Corvair (100 HP), will let you know if it's enough. I have flown 150s (also 100 HP and 1000lbs empty weight) many times with a passenger from similiar altitude airports and did ok so it should be enough. Rick ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:18 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The correct spelling is advice..... GEEEE... We international members are learning a lot of good english, Aviation knowledge is only an extra free bonus... :-) Thanks a lot to all of you. Saludos Gary Gower. Do not archive, por favor. Bill Church wrote: v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui) } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 612.0pt 792.0pt; margin: 72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } PRE { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New" } SPAN.EmailStyle20 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } Sorry Harvey, but flys just isn't proper English (in the U.S., nor in Canada). (here's a link to a quick explanation) http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/flys.html Honestly, I didn't get the joke. I just didn't see what was funny about what was written. I wasn't trying to be a nit-picker. For example, I wouldn't point out that you typed "ment" instead of "meant" in your posting. (sorry, couldn't resist) What IS funny is that now we are finding humour (humor) in things that are actually grammatically correct, and trying to "correct" them. I know my fingers don't always land on the keyboard where they were intended to land, but I always give my message a quick read before I spit it out into cyberspace. Maybe we should all make a habit of using the spell-checker before we hit "send". By the way, I'm pretty sure those pesky little bugs that drive ME nuts in the summer are called mosquitoes. Bill do not archive --------------------------------- Mortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo. Intro-*Terms ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:21 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... When I sold my VP1 (built as the plans), some years ago, the new owner "rebuilt it" because he thought was a dangerous wooden airplane as builded. He even installed a triangular roll bar similar to the ones in the AT-6... Story short, was so beefed up that never "flies" :-) right, was so heavy that stall was over 65 mph and needed full power just to keep level, now is in the local air museum :-( Is very easy to overbuild a wooden project, 1/16" of wood at a time... Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. walt evans wrote: Jack, I don't agree. I built the long fuse with an A-65 and 99.9% to plans. My empty weight was 595#. I was lucky to have a Mentor that was a stickler for not adding anything. I can't believe that 1" of 1/4 plywood and various fuse sticks account for 100#. Think you must have beefed here and there, and added one too many goodies. You know the old saying,,,"thinking of adding something that's not on the plans? Throw it up,,,if it comes back down,,,leave it off" Our strip is 2,550ft of asphalt. The Regs say that you have to be 400' and to the end of the runway before you make your turn climbing out. With just me (6'3" 210#) and 1/2 gas load I'll pass 400' before reaching the end of the runway. Now put my friend Bob in the front and it climbs kind of like a cub. Hard to imagine a Piet built 200# heavy, and that would be a climbout with just me. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... A couple of concerns, Ken, I made my Pietenpol 1" wider than plans, and used the long fuselage plans. The result is a pretty heavy Pietenpol (empty weight 745 lbs), which climbs even worse than usual for a Piet. There are a couple of problems with the long, wide fuselage. The first is weight. SOme years ago, someone on this list compiled a list of Pietenpols at Brodhead, comparing their empty weights and CG locations. Every one of the long fuselage Piets came in at over 700 lbs, and a couple were over 800 lbs. You wouldn't think that adding 9" or so would add 50 to 100 lbs, but it seems to do so. Making it wider adds substantial weight as well. The other problem with a wider fuselage is in expense. With a 24" wide fuselage, you can use a single sheet of plywood ripped lengthwise for the floorboards and firewall. If you make it wider, you will use a lot more plywood, with substantial waste. The Pietenpol is supposed to have a gross weight of about 1050 lbs. If you weigh 254 lbs, and carry 10 gallons of gas, your airplane can only weigh 736 lbs EMPTY, and you'd probably better not plan on carrying any passengers. I have flown mine with myself and a 205 lb passenger, and 15 gallons of fuel on board, for a gross weight of 1,240 lbs. It flew, but I was glad we were flying off a 6,000' paved runway. Climb rate was a shade under 100 feet per minute. If I were to build another one, I would build the short fuselage and keep it standard width. I'm 6'2 and 200 lbs, and I've flown Mike Cuy's standard width, short fuse Piet and found it nearly as comfortable as my own, with a better climb rate. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions... Fellow Pieters: Question.....If you are going to build a wider fuselage would you build it 3" or 4" wider? Also, are they going to be any major changes is the structural integrity, rigging etc.... Lastly, for a guy who is 6'0 and 254lbs....is the current size of the plane comfortable? what modification if any have you made to improve function and comfort of this plane design. Ken H. Fargo, ND href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List --------------------------------- Mortgage rates near historic lows: $150,000 loan as low as $579/mo. Intro-*Terms ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:06 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering There is where the real FUN "flies" beguins... Saludos Gary Gower Flying from Chapala, Mexico. Too far from Ohio... :-( Do not archive. Don Emch wrote: I was just thinking the same thing lately. I'd really like to help try to organize some kind of gathering in Ohio. There are several active Piet pilots in Ohio and I think we could make a decent showing. A few would include Will Graff, Mike Cuy, Frank Pavliga, Virgil Phillips, you and me, and I'm sure there's more. I'm sure the Barbers would accomodate us and their EAA chapter at the field would always like to sell more pancakes. I could talk to Forrest and get his opinion. They may be interested in hosting us. Or we could just plan to gather at another. The Taylorcraft and Aeronca fly-ins at Barber may work. Wynkoop field is a beautiful one and would be a good one to meet at for the Waco fly-in too. I think both of those have hosted Pietenpol Fly-ins in the past. Both are grass an' gas. Any other Buckeyes out there have any other suggestions? Let us know. Don Emch Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76006#76006 --------------------------------- Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's -in less than one year. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio area pietenpol gathering From: "Rock-a-Wing" Count me in too [Laughing] John Pittsburgh Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76265#76265 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.