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2. 05:29 AM - 41CC headed south (Joseph Czaplicki)
3. 08:45 AM - Long intro. new guy (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
4. 08:53 AM - Re: Long Newguy Introduction (Rick Holland)
5. 09:05 AM - Re: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips? (Rick Holland)
6. 09:09 AM - Re: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips? (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
7. 10:04 AM - Re: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips? (walt evans)
8. 12:58 PM - Re: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips? (Scott Schreiber)
9. 01:03 PM - Re: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips? (Scott Schreiber)
10. 02:06 PM - Re: 41CC is headed south (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
11. 10:17 PM - Video shots...... (KMHeide)
12. 10:54 PM - Re: Video shots...... (Rcaprd@aol.com)
13. 11:06 PM - Re: Video shots...... (KMHeide)
14. 11:15 PM - Re: Video shots...... (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Long Newguy Introduction |
Welcome aboard!
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| Subject: | 41CC headed south |
Glad to hear 41CC is getting ready for flight again. Then looking forward
to seeing her at Brodhead in 07. Back north to the land of her birth. She
may have been raised in the south but she was born in the cold north
JoeC
N94634
N22498
Time: 04:03:30 PM PST US
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 41CC is headed south
Well, tomorrow (Friday) is the big day. The airplane is outside on the
> trailer, hitched up and ready to go down to Zapata County Airport where
the
> wings have been quietly resting in a hangar for a bit over two years now
> (yes, two years!). I have all the tools, hardware, wing struts,
everything
> ready to roll. Tomorrow I'll trailer the airplane down and reattach the
> wings and try to get them re-rigged in preparation for a new W&B and
annual.
> Everything is ready.
>
> Something to give thanks for, you can be sure! Also want to give thanks
for
> Corky, Mikee, Chuck, Walt, Shad, Dick, Doc, Tim, Jack, Sterling, and
> everybody else who has coaxed me along for two years during the repair
and
> rebuild. You guys are great, and so is this list.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Long intro. new guy |
Welcome: I too planned on 2 years to build my Piet. I'm in year 8 now. I
am collecting parts for a next project now but I am not building 2
airplanes at one time. Unless you have NO other responsibilities,
family, or job you might be able to assemble a turnkey 701 kit in a
short period of time. There is no quick build turnkey Piet kit out there
that I know of. Double your build time guess and you may be on the ball
park. The books by Tony Bengilis are a must have. EAA also has other
books on wood and aircraft construction that are good. Good luck,
Welcome and happy building. Leon S. Ks. PS the Piet plans are lousy
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| Subject: | Re: Long Newguy Introduction |
Hello Tim
You must be retired to have the time to take on two airplane projects at
once (or very disiplined). Anyhow I think you will have an ideal combination
(especially for Minnesota), open cockpit Piet for fun on the warmer days
(thats anything above 0 in MN), and the 701 for the rest of the time. Looks
like a Covair engine is a natural for someone as interested in Covair cars
as you are. I am building a long fuselage Piet with a Corvair conversion
using most of the parts that William Wynne sells. You probably know about
William Wynne's 601 Corvair, did you know he has a 701 kit that he is about
to start on which is of course going to use Corvair power. He is also going
to develop a firewall forward kit for it as he has for the 601 (including
mount, engine shrouding, a separate manual, and other stuff).
Dick Navratil is a regular on this newsgroup and is currently working on his
second Piet with a Rotec engine and I believes he lives near Minneapolis.
You may want to look him up if he is not too far from you. As far as good
reference material get all four of the Bengelis books, the new Pietenpol
Story book by Chet Peek (his email is in the archives), and Mike Cuy's and
Chuck Gantzer's videos. Congradulations, you have chosen two excellent to
aircraft to build.
Rick
On 11/23/06, Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi All!
> Been lurking for some time now, figured I should stick my hand out and
> say Howdy! I tend to get winded, so better grab some more food and
> relax....
>
> Tim is the name, my wife is Ronna, and we're in Bovey Minnesota, just 7
> miles up the Iron Range from Grand Rapids, and about 70 miles NW of
> Duluth. I always sign off as "Tim in Bovey" on the various lists I
> belong to to avoid confusion with the plethora of other Tims out there.
>
> Our aviation interests go back a long ways. Dad was a PP, hasn't flown
> for years now, he's 78. Ronna grew up in Roundup, MT, with a close
> family friend who owned/operated the airport there and they used to fly
> a lot. I spent tons of time as a kid thru teen years flying with Dad
> in 120, 140, 172, a Mooney and a T-Craft (those are the ones I can
> remember anyway). I have always wanted to get my PP but due to many
> things, mostly time, money and medical issues, never did more than a
> few hours of dual for the fun of it. I'd been watching the LSP develop
> over the past few years and did a big YIPEEE! when it went thru. So,
> we are both intending on getting LSP tickets in the near future. In
> the meantime....
>
> We've deicded to build airplanes. Attracted by the greatly reduced
> cost compared to buying a certified plane, the fact that we can do our
> own repairs/maintenence, and that we can spread the cost over time,
> buying what we need as we build, no financing is going to be necessary.
> All in all, a good deal! We decided to build a Zenith CH-701, all
> aluminum STOL plane, after researching tons and tons of planes/kits.
> We went to the Zenith workshop in October, got some demo flights in,
> and built the rudder, and we're ready to proceed. I figured minimum 2+
> years to completion. Haven't decided yet, but leaning toward Jabiru
> power, as I like the concept better than the Rotax, and don't want to
> go Corvair with this plane for several reasons. Anyway....
>
> Somewhere along the way in the past couple months I discovered the
> Pietenpol, and it's really grabbed me by the..well..you know the
> phrase....ordered the info pack from Don, read a ton of magazine
> articles, AND about 70% of the digests for this list (just a year to go
> and I'm all caught up with you guys). So, anyway, we've decided to
> build a Piet too, at the same time. When we're saving up cash, or
> hiding indoors because it's 40 below zero out in the garage and we
> don't want to be working on the Zenith, we can be in the basement
> making ribs and tail feathers. I built a lot of R/C and C/L models in
> my day, and it will be nice to work in 1:1 scale! I'm already thinking
> Corvair power for the Piet because....
>
> I also happen to be a Corvair driver. My Son is too. I have a '64, he
> has 2 65's. I drive mine as a daily driver except in the worst of
> winter and also autocross it. I'm thinking along the lines of a
> complete, ready to run Corvair from flycorvair, simply because they, to
> me, are a heck of a good deal, and I have complete faith in the
> powerplant, and am familier with repair/upkeep for them.
>
> So, that's my story. I'm sure we'll have lots of questions as time
> goes on. It appears there are some grey areas in the plans, and I'm
> sure I'll make a tweak here or there myself as I bet most of you do.
> We're regular Oshkosh attendees, and excited about the Brodhead event
> too. We have a local EAA chapter that's pretty active. I haven't been
> able to hook up with them yet....busy busy busy...but will soon. I
> figure I better get on the waiting list for a hanger over in Grand
> Rapids, too, since it's about a 2 year wait and we'll need some serious
> space by then!
>
> Can anyone recommend some good books about the Pietenpol, and wood
> plane building in general? I have a few already, but I bet there's
> more out there. We're prepared for projects that will take time, but
> be a great husband/wife adventure! And we'll be able to get Dad's
> trusty Shopsmith out of mothballs (anyone else remember the Shopsmith?)
>
> BTW, I too was concerned about fiting in a Piet, as I was about a 701
> for that matter. I'm 6'2". A year ago I weighed 290. When I decided
> it was time to fly, get healthy, get my BP under control, and stop
> being pooped out by the time I got to the top of the stairs....I've got
> myself down to 185! Best way to improve several things, health,
> autocross handling in a Corvair, and flight charasterics!
>
> Most fun I've ever had flying, was riding with the Red Baron Squadron
> (yes, the Pizza guys) in their Stearman. They were here for a
> promotional event (I spose I should mention...I'm the morning radio
> show host in Grand Rapids..so I get all the media perks..I've been on
> the air somewhere for 31 years now....in GR for 19...check us out at
> http://www.kozyradio.com you can listen to some morning show podcasts
> if you're up to it) Anyway, when I got to the airport to fly with
> them..the pilot took one look at me and said "Not till this afternoon"
> They had just arrived after about a 60 mile flight, and their tanks
> were almost full. With me at about 290 back then...they wouldn't stunt
> with that much weight! So had to come back 4 hours later after they had
> done a bunch of rides for kids and whatnot..so the planes were
> lighter....but got the full treatment....hammerhead stall, loops,
> rolls, wingover..it was GREAT! I knew it would be interesting before we
> took off, as he was fitting the parachute to my butt and explaing how
> to work it..he said "If I say 'bailout! bailout! bailout!' 3 times like
> that, I mean it". What a thrill THAT was!
>
> If you're *really* got time to kill, have a look at my web page at:
> http://www.edselmotors.com
> (yes, we also own an Edsel)
> There a bunch of Corvair stuff there, and lots of other time killing
> stuff. I plan on adding a flying section eventually. I have a teensey
> weensey bit of flying stuff still posted at my ancient old web page at:
> http://www.uslink.net/~hepcats/planes.html
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
> ==
> You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
> ==
>
>
> Cheap talk?
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips? |
Here some pictures showing how I did it. Since I didn't have a 12' wide belt
sander I clamped a couple of pieces of steel at the tail post and just ahead
of where I was going to cut and cut the wedge out with a rigid back hand
saw. Then made a two sided sanding block out of 1/4" ply which I put between
the two cuts and pulled it up and down until the sides matched.
Rick
On 11/23/06, Scott Schreiber <got22b@subarubrat.com> wrote:
>
> I have my fuse sides done! http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/pietfuse3.jpg And
> I was wondering if there is any great trick to use to cut the "wedge" out at
> the tail post where they join?
>
> -Scott
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips? |
Scott: I brought the tail post sides together until they touched. Then I
cut two 1" wide stiff paper strips ( a couple of feet long I guess ) to
simulate the longerons and laid them on top of the longerons, then
brought the paper strips together at the rear end over lapping them to
get the shape and with of the finished end. I then glued the paper
strips as they set. This formed a paper triangle. then I split the
triangle in two vertically to show the cut need on each side. This
became the template I marked the wood with to show my cut lines. I used
a small handsaw to cut, then a palm sander to hone the shape. It worked
great. Epoxy glue pays off here because it has gap filling qualities.
but don,t be sloppy. Leon S. Ks.
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| Subject: | Re: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips? |
Rick,
Nice pictures.
I like your work.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips?
Here some pictures showing how I did it. Since I didn't have a 12'
wide belt sander I clamped a couple of pieces of steel at the tail post
and just ahead of where I was going to cut and cut the wedge out with a
rigid back hand saw. Then made a two sided sanding block out of 1/4" ply
which I put between the two cuts and pulled it up and down until the
sides matched.
Rick
On 11/23/06, Scott Schreiber <got22b@subarubrat.com> wrote:
I have my fuse sides done!
http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/pietfuse3.jpg And I was wondering if
there is any great trick to use to cut the "wedge" out at the tail post
where they join?
-Scott
www.aeroelectric.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips? |
About 3 days total, first day was one side plus outer gussets. 2nd day
was inner gussets on that first side and framing up of the 2nd side with
it's outer gussets. 3rd day was inner gussets on the 2nd side and
clearing the building board.
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Ramler
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips?
Nice shot Scott! Wow is the only thing I can say! How roughly did that
take you? just curious?
Ben
----- Original Message ----
From: Scott Schreiber <got22b@SubaruBrat.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:02:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips?
I have my fuse sides done!
http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/pietfuse3.jpg And I was wondering if
there is any great trick to use to cut the "wedge" out at the tail post
where they join?
-Scott
Electric www.buil* HomebuiltHELP http://www.matronics.com/contributist"
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| Subject: | Re: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips? |
I ended up using a mixture of your pics and an idea that popped in my
head thanks to your pics. I "masked off" the area not to be cut with 1/8
sheet metal and used that as a guide for the handsaw and it came out
smooth and straight. I just need to run some 80 grit over it to get a
nice surface for the epoxy.
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cutout at tailpost, any great tips?
Here some pictures showing how I did it. Since I didn't have a 12'
wide belt sander I clamped a couple of pieces of steel at the tail post
and just ahead of where I was going to cut and cut the wedge out with a
rigid back hand saw. Then made a two sided sanding block out of 1/4" ply
which I put between the two cuts and pulled it up and down until the
sides matched.
Rick
On 11/23/06, Scott Schreiber <got22b@subarubrat.com> wrote:
I have my fuse sides done!
http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/pietfuse3.jpg And I was wondering if
there is any great trick to use to cut the "wedge" out at the tail post
where they join?
-Scott
www.aeroelectric.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | 41CC is headed south |
That is great news, Oscar-- pretty exciting stuff. It is hard to
imagine that 2 years has passed since you took possession of your
Illinois-Born and Gumbo-Grown Piet. Who says the nawth and south kant
git along ?
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Video shots...... |
Fellow Pieter's:
For some of us this Christmas holiday, we often ponder of a "great" gift we could
use. Therefore, I have found the "great" gift you can run out and purchase......
wrapping it with care..... and applying the gift tag to simply say,...from
Santa Claus! What is this gift you ask?.......
At Shopko, your will find a Oregon Scientific Water-Resistant Hands Free "Helmet
Cam" with Flash Memory Video Recorder. (See where I am going with this fellow
pilots!) You can capture all the flying action with the ultimate all terrain
digital video camera compact all-in-one design. Playback is either on PC or
Television. Mounts easily on helmets, bikes, and a wide array (planes) of other
sporting gear.
There,...my good deed for those of us who would like to video our flying experiences
at a low low price of $129.00 which includes all mounting hardware and
PC windows XP or Windows 2000 compatible.
Merry Christmas!
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Re: Video shots...... |
In a message dated 11/25/2006 12:18:22 AM Central Standard Time,
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com writes:
At Shopko, your will find a Oregon Scientific Water-Resistant Hands Free
"Helmet Cam" with Flash Memory Video Recorder.
Ken,
I've been looking for this type helmet cam for a long time, but they are all
over $300. I searched the Shopko web site, but couldn't find it. Where did
you see it ?
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Video shots...... |
Chuck,
What a great camera and very tough! I walked into my local Shopko store and found
three of them hanging for $129.00. each. If you like I will go and buy one
for you in the morning and ship UPS. Just say the word....
Ken
PS...they were not on clearance either for that price!
Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/25/2006 12:18:22 AM Central Standard Time, kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
writes:
At Shopko, your will find a Oregon Scientific Water-Resistant Hands Free "Helmet
Cam" with Flash Memory Video Recorder.
Ken,
I've been looking for this type helmet cam for a long time, but they are all
over $300. I searched the Shopko web site, but couldn't find it. Where did you
see it ?
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Video shots...... |
In a message dated 11/25/2006 1:07:35 AM Central Standard Time,
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com writes:
Chuck,
What a great camera and very tough! I walked into my local Shopko store and
found three of them hanging for $129.00. each. If you like I will go and buy
one for you in the morning and ship UPS. Just say the word....
Ken
PS...they were not on clearance either for that price!
Ken,
'The Word' !!
That would be fantastic if you could do that for me !!
Send it to:
Chuck Gantzer
626 Pattie
Wichita, KS 67211
Let me know the total cost, and I'll get a check right off in the mail to you.
Thank you very much.
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