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1. 04:02 AM - High alt. performance (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
2. 07:55 AM - Re: Long intro. new guy (Rick Holland)
3. 09:47 AM - longeron question (Ben Ramler)
4. 11:22 AM - Re: longeron question (Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 11:30 AM - Re: fly-ins (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 01:10 PM - any body see this? (walt evans)
7. 01:16 PM - Re: longeron question (Ben Charvet)
8. 01:57 PM - Band Saw? (Tim Verthein)
9. 02:50 PM - Re: Band Saw? (del magsam)
10. 04:41 PM - Re: Band Saw? (Dick Navratil)
11. 04:45 PM - Re: longeron question (Dick Navratil)
12. 08:58 PM - Re: Band Saw? (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
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Subject: | High alt. performance |
Hi Tim: I have that article in one of the old newsletters. I'd forgot
how anemic the stock A was. Those old racers use to get a lot of power
out of them but "what price speed"? The A was a great engine during the
automotive "stone age", but getting modern (or just decent) performance
out of it seams to take the life out of it in a hurry. I'm going to do a
minimal amt. of boosting mine, only with insert bearings so as to handle
6 or 7 to one compression, than a Stromberg carb. as from an A-65. I am
based at 1500 ft. so all I'm really looking for is a little extra
margin for a little extra alt. when I pass over the trees or wires at
the end of the runway. I think the only real way to get a good original
looking inline engine set up for the Piet is o use a modern engine like
Larry Harrison did in his Poplar Piet. Right out of the box you have
higher stock hp. reliable full pressure oiling and years and millions
of dollars of R and D behind it. I just wish one of those smart guys who
have already done it would do a conversion article on it. Leon S. in
Ks.
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Subject: | Re: Long intro. new guy |
Eight year? No problem Leon, remember the journey is the destination as they
say (unless you like flying more than building I guess).
Rick
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> Welcome: I too planned on 2 years to build my Piet. I'm in year 8 now.
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Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | longeron question |
Hey Fellow Piet'ers,
I have question on the longerons. Would 3/4" wide by 5/8" be strong enough to
use for the longerons? Just thought I would ask before it was to late.
thanks,
Ben Ramler
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Subject: | Re: longeron question |
NO
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Oscar,
I need your mailing address
Corky
Do Not Archive
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Subject: | any body see this? |
On Youtube.
lots of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Ch9QhwyBY
cool!
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
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Subject: | Re: longeron question |
That would be a huge decrease in cross section... .625x.75=0.468= less
than 1/2 the cross section area of 1 that you get with the 1X1 called
for in the plans. I've heard of folks using 7/8x7/8 with Douglas Fir,
but I decided to use the full dimension as called for on the plans.
Don't start compromising so early in the project, or you'll never have
the guts to fly it. (or let anyone else)
Just my $.02
Ben
Ben Ramler wrote:
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>Hey Fellow Piet'ers,
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> I have question on the longerons. Would 3/4" wide by 5/8" be strong enough to
use for the longerons? Just thought I would ask before it was to late.
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>thanks,
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>Ben Ramler
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First off, thanks all for the nice welcome! Lots of notes on and off
the list.
I'm in no hurry to finish either plane, but we'll stay on task! I'm
semi-retired, kids all grown, wife still works full-time. Although I
do enough sideline work on my own to make me still working full time!
But I work 5-11 AM leaving the day to build and tinker and what not.
Also, thanks for the good book suggestions. Really helped fill out my
letter to Santa.
Question: I figure I'm gonna need a bandsaw for this sort of work. I
haven't used one since high school shop class (and no, it wasn't steam
powered!). How big of a saw am I going to want to look for? All I have
now is a small jigsaw that worked find for models 20 years ago, but
that's not gonna do it! I plan on taking my Dad's Shopsmith out of
mothballs when I need it. For those not familier, it's a combination
table saw, lathe, drillpress, horizontal sander, and I think cheese
grater too! VAriable speed, Dad's got all the attachments, so that
will be good for ripping long parts, etc. but I think bandsaw is gonna
be the key. Besides, it's good to have another reason to buy another
tool!
Tim in Bovey
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Actually the jig saw works really well if you buy the hollow ground blades for
it. the blade is thicker on the front than the back, instead of blades with set
in the teeth. A bandsaw will be used if you have it, but I would rather have
a nice miter saw for precision cutting, it leaves the end grain open for good
glue penetration, rather than bandsawing the cuts and sanding to the line which
closes in the pores. besides wasting huge amounts of time cutting and fitting.
Just set your fuselage side pieces on top of the longerons, mark with a sharp
pencil and cut it to the line...and your done fitting. Or if you have a lot
of repetitive pieces like the rib pieces. set a stop and cut them all at once.
good for plus or minus .005.
Del
Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com> wrote:
First off, thanks all for the nice welcome! Lots of notes on and off
the list.
I'm in no hurry to finish either plane, but we'll stay on task! I'm
semi-retired, kids all grown, wife still works full-time. Although I
do enough sideline work on my own to make me still working full time!
But I work 5-11 AM leaving the day to build and tinker and what not.
Also, thanks for the good book suggestions. Really helped fill out my
letter to Santa.
Question: I figure I'm gonna need a bandsaw for this sort of work. I
haven't used one since high school shop class (and no, it wasn't steam
powered!). How big of a saw am I going to want to look for? All I have
now is a small jigsaw that worked find for models 20 years ago, but
that's not gonna do it! I plan on taking my Dad's Shopsmith out of
mothballs when I need it. For those not familier, it's a combination
table saw, lathe, drillpress, horizontal sander, and I think cheese
grater too! VAriable speed, Dad's got all the attachments, so that
will be good for ripping long parts, etc. but I think bandsaw is gonna
be the key. Besides, it's good to have another reason to buy another
tool!
Tim in Bovey
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You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
==
Want to start your own business?
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
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Tim
For most things, a 11" tabletop from Sears will do just fine. Get one with
variable speed so you can cut some metal fittings also.
Alo, welcome to the list.
Dick N.
Arden Hills, MN.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Verthein" <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Saw?
<minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
First off, thanks all for the nice welcome! Lots of notes on and off
the list.
I'm in no hurry to finish either plane, but we'll stay on task! I'm
semi-retired, kids all grown, wife still works full-time. Although I
do enough sideline work on my own to make me still working full time!
But I work 5-11 AM leaving the day to build and tinker and what not.
Also, thanks for the good book suggestions. Really helped fill out my
letter to Santa.
Question: I figure I'm gonna need a bandsaw for this sort of work. I
haven't used one since high school shop class (and no, it wasn't steam
powered!). How big of a saw am I going to want to look for? All I have
now is a small jigsaw that worked find for models 20 years ago, but
that's not gonna do it! I plan on taking my Dad's Shopsmith out of
mothballs when I need it. For those not familier, it's a combination
table saw, lathe, drillpress, horizontal sander, and I think cheese
grater too! VAriable speed, Dad's got all the attachments, so that
will be good for ripping long parts, etc. but I think bandsaw is gonna
be the key. Besides, it's good to have another reason to buy another
tool!
Tim in Bovey
==
You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
==
Want to start your own business?
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
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Subject: | Re: longeron question |
Let me add on to what Corky said: NO NO NO NO, Stick to the plan
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Ramler" <ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: longeron question
Hey Fellow Piet'ers,
I have question on the longerons. Would 3/4" wide by 5/8" be strong enough
to use for the longerons? Just thought I would ask before it was to late.
thanks,
Ben Ramler
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Tim,
Since I have used a bandsaw almost every day of my life for 21 years, my
opinion may be of some value. I have owned or worked with almost every type
of bandsaw there is. My favorite is still the 12" Sears freestanding model. It
is cheap, reliable and you can find the blades anywhere there is a Sears. It
has 2 wheels (preferable), takes a wide variety of blades and has power
enough to cut "pack-ups", or stacked pieces. They are also very easy to rebuild,
should you ever put that many hours on it like I do. It is light enough for
me to load on a stock truck by myself when going on the road with my business.
And no, I do not work for Sears. But I sure recommend the saw.
Ron
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