---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/25/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:02 AM - High alt. performance (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 2. 07:55 AM - Re: Long intro. new guy (Rick Holland) 3. 09:47 AM - longeron question (Ben Ramler) 4. 11:22 AM - Re: longeron question (Isablcorky@aol.com) 5. 11:30 AM - Re: fly-ins (Isablcorky@aol.com) 6. 01:10 PM - any body see this? (walt evans) 7. 01:16 PM - Re: longeron question (Ben Charvet) 8. 01:57 PM - Band Saw? (Tim Verthein) 9. 02:50 PM - Re: Band Saw? (del magsam) 10. 04:41 PM - Re: Band Saw? (Dick Navratil) 11. 04:45 PM - Re: longeron question (Dick Navratil) 12. 08:58 PM - Re: Band Saw? (Pietsrneat@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:58 AM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: High alt. performance Hi Tim: I have that article in one of the old newsletters. I'd forgot how anemic the stock A was. Those old racers use to get a lot of power out of them but "what price speed"? The A was a great engine during the automotive "stone age", but getting modern (or just decent) performance out of it seams to take the life out of it in a hurry. I'm going to do a minimal amt. of boosting mine, only with insert bearings so as to handle 6 or 7 to one compression, than a Stromberg carb. as from an A-65. I am based at 1500 ft. so all I'm really looking for is a little extra margin for a little extra alt. when I pass over the trees or wires at the end of the runway. I think the only real way to get a good original looking inline engine set up for the Piet is o use a modern engine like Larry Harrison did in his Poplar Piet. Right out of the box you have higher stock hp. reliable full pressure oiling and years and millions of dollars of R and D behind it. I just wish one of those smart guys who have already done it would do a conversion article on it. Leon S. in Ks. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:54 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long intro. new guy Eight year? No problem Leon, remember the journey is the destination as they say (unless you like flying more than building I guess). Rick > > > Welcome: I too planned on 2 years to build my Piet. I'm in year 8 now. > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:38 AM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Pietenpol-List: longeron question Hey Fellow Piet'ers, I have question on the longerons. Would 3/4" wide by 5/8" be strong enough to use for the longerons? Just thought I would ask before it was to late. thanks, Ben Ramler ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:59 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: longeron question NO ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:20 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fly-ins Oscar, I need your mailing address Corky Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:21 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: any body see this? On Youtube. lots of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Ch9QhwyBY cool! walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:40 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: longeron question That would be a huge decrease in cross section... .625x.75=0.468= less than 1/2 the cross section area of 1 that you get with the 1X1 called for in the plans. I've heard of folks using 7/8x7/8 with Douglas Fir, but I decided to use the full dimension as called for on the plans. Don't start compromising so early in the project, or you'll never have the guts to fly it. (or let anyone else) Just my $.02 Ben Ben Ramler wrote: > >Hey Fellow Piet'ers, > > I have question on the longerons. Would 3/4" wide by 5/8" be strong enough to use for the longerons? Just thought I would ask before it was to late. > >thanks, > >Ben Ramler > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:06 PM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Saw? First off, thanks all for the nice welcome! Lots of notes on and off the list. I'm in no hurry to finish either plane, but we'll stay on task! I'm semi-retired, kids all grown, wife still works full-time. Although I do enough sideline work on my own to make me still working full time! But I work 5-11 AM leaving the day to build and tinker and what not. Also, thanks for the good book suggestions. Really helped fill out my letter to Santa. Question: I figure I'm gonna need a bandsaw for this sort of work. I haven't used one since high school shop class (and no, it wasn't steam powered!). How big of a saw am I going to want to look for? All I have now is a small jigsaw that worked find for models 20 years ago, but that's not gonna do it! I plan on taking my Dad's Shopsmith out of mothballs when I need it. For those not familier, it's a combination table saw, lathe, drillpress, horizontal sander, and I think cheese grater too! VAriable speed, Dad's got all the attachments, so that will be good for ripping long parts, etc. but I think bandsaw is gonna be the key. Besides, it's good to have another reason to buy another tool! Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Want to start your own business? http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:14 PM PST US From: del magsam Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Saw? Actually the jig saw works really well if you buy the hollow ground blades for it. the blade is thicker on the front than the back, instead of blades with set in the teeth. A bandsaw will be used if you have it, but I would rather have a nice miter saw for precision cutting, it leaves the end grain open for good glue penetration, rather than bandsawing the cuts and sanding to the line which closes in the pores. besides wasting huge amounts of time cutting and fitting. Just set your fuselage side pieces on top of the longerons, mark with a sharp pencil and cut it to the line...and your done fitting. Or if you have a lot of repetitive pieces like the rib pieces. set a stop and cut them all at once. good for plus or minus .005. Del Tim Verthein wrote: First off, thanks all for the nice welcome! Lots of notes on and off the list. I'm in no hurry to finish either plane, but we'll stay on task! I'm semi-retired, kids all grown, wife still works full-time. Although I do enough sideline work on my own to make me still working full time! But I work 5-11 AM leaving the day to build and tinker and what not. Also, thanks for the good book suggestions. Really helped fill out my letter to Santa. Question: I figure I'm gonna need a bandsaw for this sort of work. I haven't used one since high school shop class (and no, it wasn't steam powered!). How big of a saw am I going to want to look for? All I have now is a small jigsaw that worked find for models 20 years ago, but that's not gonna do it! I plan on taking my Dad's Shopsmith out of mothballs when I need it. For those not familier, it's a combination table saw, lathe, drillpress, horizontal sander, and I think cheese grater too! VAriable speed, Dad's got all the attachments, so that will be good for ripping long parts, etc. but I think bandsaw is gonna be the key. Besides, it's good to have another reason to buy another tool! Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Want to start your own business? http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:58 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Saw? Tim For most things, a 11" tabletop from Sears will do just fine. Get one with variable speed so you can cut some metal fittings also. Alo, welcome to the list. Dick N. Arden Hills, MN. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Verthein" Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Saw? First off, thanks all for the nice welcome! Lots of notes on and off the list. I'm in no hurry to finish either plane, but we'll stay on task! I'm semi-retired, kids all grown, wife still works full-time. Although I do enough sideline work on my own to make me still working full time! But I work 5-11 AM leaving the day to build and tinker and what not. Also, thanks for the good book suggestions. Really helped fill out my letter to Santa. Question: I figure I'm gonna need a bandsaw for this sort of work. I haven't used one since high school shop class (and no, it wasn't steam powered!). How big of a saw am I going to want to look for? All I have now is a small jigsaw that worked find for models 20 years ago, but that's not gonna do it! I plan on taking my Dad's Shopsmith out of mothballs when I need it. For those not familier, it's a combination table saw, lathe, drillpress, horizontal sander, and I think cheese grater too! VAriable speed, Dad's got all the attachments, so that will be good for ripping long parts, etc. but I think bandsaw is gonna be the key. Besides, it's good to have another reason to buy another tool! Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Want to start your own business? http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:16 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: longeron question Let me add on to what Corky said: NO NO NO NO, Stick to the plan Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ramler" Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: longeron question Hey Fellow Piet'ers, I have question on the longerons. Would 3/4" wide by 5/8" be strong enough to use for the longerons? Just thought I would ask before it was to late. thanks, Ben Ramler ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:56 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Saw? Tim, Since I have used a bandsaw almost every day of my life for 21 years, my opinion may be of some value. I have owned or worked with almost every type of bandsaw there is. My favorite is still the 12" Sears freestanding model. It is cheap, reliable and you can find the blades anywhere there is a Sears. It has 2 wheels (preferable), takes a wide variety of blades and has power enough to cut "pack-ups", or stacked pieces. They are also very easy to rebuild, should you ever put that many hours on it like I do. It is light enough for me to load on a stock truck by myself when going on the road with my business. And no, I do not work for Sears. But I sure recommend the saw. 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