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0. 12:36 AM - List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed! (Matt Dralle)
1. 03:01 AM - White Ash availability (HelsperSew@aol.com)
2. 03:08 AM - Re: heavy piet (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 04:15 AM - Re addresses (Graham and Robyn)
4. 05:08 AM - Re: White Ash substitution check (Phillips, Jack)
5. 05:36 AM - Re: White Ash substitution check (Scott Schreiber)
6. 05:57 AM - Re: White Ash substitution check (Roman Bukolt)
7. 05:57 AM - Re: White Ash substitution check (Phillips, Jack)
8. 07:13 AM - Re: White Ash substitution check (Dave Abramson)
9. 07:41 AM - T-88 vs. resorcinol (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 08:33 AM - Re: T-88 vs. resorcinol (Phillips, Jack)
11. 10:37 AM - Re: T-88 vs. resorcinol (Rick Holland)
12. 01:55 PM - Re: T-88 vs. resorcinol (Scott Schreiber)
13. 02:56 PM - T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) (Oscar Zuniga)
14. 03:00 PM - Chuck G (KMHeide)
15. 03:59 PM - Re: Chuck G (Gardiner Mason)
16. 06:12 PM - Continental C-125 core value?? (DJ Vegh)
17. 06:18 PM - GN-1 biplane (DJ Vegh)
18. 08:42 PM - Re: T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
19. 09:51 PM - Re: T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) (jimboyer@hughes.net)
20. 11:13 PM - Regrets? (HelsperSew@aol.com)
21. 11:19 PM - Is a firewall necessary? (HelsperSew@aol.com)
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Subject: | List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed! |
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
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Subject: | White Ash availability |
I purchased white ash "baseball bat blanks" sold by Woodcraft. They have a
mail order catalog and an extensive website. Your saw will have to be able
to handle the piece which I believe was about 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" x 42" long if
memory serves. The cost was about $35.00.
I have a planer too which helps immeasurably when buiding a wood airplane.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Jack,
What wall thickness was your straight axle? You mentioned a weight of 20
lbs, so I went out to my hangar and weighed mine (a full 72" long at this point
before trimming) and it was only about 10 lbs. The thickness on mine is
.120 I believe.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Hi Bo here are the addresses,
Phil is Chapter 24 Pres & Joe is Sect
Hope to see you Wednesday
Regards Graham
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Subject: | White Ash substitution check |
Scott,
Ash has a number of interesting characteristics that make it the right
material for the landing gear (and the engine mounts for the model A).
I found this on the web: "...Because white ash wood is tough, strong,
and highly resistant to shock, it is particularly sought for handles,
oars, and baseball bats."
In addition to absorbing shock well, ash is relatively light, and has
the unique property that it does not splinter, which is why it is used
to make gymnastics parallel bars.
I don't know of any other wood with those characteristics. It is worth
going to some trouble to find the correct wood. That is one of the joys
of building a plans-built airplane, and one of the things I'm missing
while building my RV-10. It's just not the same to go look in the crate
that the kit came in to find a part, as it was to have to search for the
correct material and then fabricate the part (in my case I usually had
to fabricate several parts to get one good one) when I was building my
Pietenpol. Enjoy the building process. In this age of kit-built
airplanes, you are a member of a dying breed. An Elite group.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:02 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check
Failing to find white ash for the two xmembers I checked with a
few wood working friends and they suggested Poplar and Aspen as
equivalent woods. I was able to find both 3/4 x 3 and 1/4 x 3 Aspen
locally and it is clean knot free quality wood. I am inclined to
laminate 3 1/4x3 lengths to get a nice strong piece, probably overkill
but not allot of effort. Does anyone know of a compelling reason not to
use Aspen, laminated or single piece?
And let me say again, this group is great.
-Scott
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Subject: | Re: White Ash substitution check |
MessageWell, I have a solution thanks to the great and generous Nathan
who has already offered up the piece. And of course now some of those
other sources that came after are here on record for others. For me it
is learning the balance of new and old used in this plane. Nobody
suggests using the glues from the 1930's, and yet the metal fittings are
considered very servicable, and struts are as varied as it gets.... it
is an interesting process.
-Scott
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From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check
Scott,
Ash has a number of interesting characteristics that make it the right
material for the landing gear (and the engine mounts for the model A).
I found this on the web: "...Because white ash wood is tough, strong,
and highly resistant to shock, it is particularly sought for handles,
oars, and baseball bats."
In addition to absorbing shock well, ash is relatively light, and has
the unique property that it does not splinter, which is why it is used
to make gymnastics parallel bars.
I don't know of any other wood with those characteristics. It is
worth going to some trouble to find the correct wood. That is one of
the joys of building a plans-built airplane, and one of the things I'm
missing while building my RV-10. It's just not the same to go look in
the crate that the kit came in to find a part, as it was to have to
search for the correct material and then fabricate the part (in my case
I usually had to fabricate several parts to get one good one) when I was
building my Pietenpol. Enjoy the building process. In this age of
kit-built airplanes, you are a member of a dying breed. An Elite group.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:02 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check
Failing to find white ash for the two xmembers I checked with a few
wood working friends and they suggested Poplar and Aspen as equivalent
woods. I was able to find both 3/4 x 3 and 1/4 x 3 Aspen locally and it
is clean knot free quality wood. I am inclined to laminate 3 1/4x3
lengths to get a nice strong piece, probably overkill but not allot of
effort. Does anyone know of a compelling reason not to use Aspen,
laminated or single piece?
And let me say again, this group is great.
-Scott
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Subject: | Re: White Ash substitution check |
MessageI read with interest your comparison of the Pietenpol project vs.
the RV-10.
You can't get much greater contrast in homebuilts then that.
It just so happens that I am simultaneously building both, the Piet and
the RV-10.
I started my Piet in Jan.2004 and have the tremendous benefit of having
Bill Rewey as my close friend, advisor, and DAR. I have all my ribs
done, the fuselage about 90% complete and have finished welding up the
landing gear.
Then last Jan. my son ordered the tail kit of an RV-10. When I told him
"you don't have the time or the passion to tackle a project of this
size", he replied, " I know. I'm not going to build it, you are."
So, in the evenings a couple days each week I get over to his home to
work on the RV, and during the day, I go to my basement and work on my
Piet. Meanwhile, he started taking flying lessons. He hasn't soloed
yet.
I convinced him to own his trainer rather than rent, so he and I bought
a really nice 1972 Cessna 150 with low engine time and an IFR panel.
Then he had built a beautiful 50 x 60ft hangar, complete with office,
bath with shower, fully insulated, heated, well lit, and big enough to
hold three planes.
Since my special issuance med ran out last Aug. and I can't re apply for
several months (cancer) I went and bought a really well built Piet from
a guy in Baxter, Ia. to fly under the Sport Pilot rules while continuing
to build my Piet.
So, I have the best of all worlds: building two very different aircraft,
have two very differnt planes to fly, and the luxury of housing them in
a very nice hangar at a totally new rebuilt airport in Middleton, Wi.
Who said you have to die to be in paradise?
Roman Bukolt
NX 20795
N 1765Q
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From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:07 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check
Scott,
Ash has a number of interesting characteristics that make it the right
material for the landing gear (and the engine mounts for the model A).
I found this on the web: "...Because white ash wood is tough, strong,
and highly resistant to shock, it is particularly sought for handles,
oars, and baseball bats."
In addition to absorbing shock well, ash is relatively light, and has
the unique property that it does not splinter, which is why it is used
to make gymnastics parallel bars.
I don't know of any other wood with those characteristics. It is
worth going to some trouble to find the correct wood. That is one of
the joys of building a plans-built airplane, and one of the things I'm
missing while building my RV-10. It's just not the same to go look in
the crate that the kit came in to find a part, as it was to have to
search for the correct material and then fabricate the part (in my case
I usually had to fabricate several parts to get one good one) when I was
building my Pietenpol. Enjoy the building process. In this age of
kit-built airplanes, you are a member of a dying breed. An Elite group.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:02 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check
Failing to find white ash for the two xmembers I checked with a few
wood working friends and they suggested Poplar and Aspen as equivalent
woods. I was able to find both 3/4 x 3 and 1/4 x 3 Aspen locally and it
is clean knot free quality wood. I am inclined to laminate 3 1/4x3
lengths to get a nice strong piece, probably overkill but not allot of
effort. Does anyone know of a compelling reason not to use Aspen,
laminated or single piece?
And let me say again, this group is great.
-Scott
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Subject: | White Ash substitution check |
Actually I do suggest the glues from the 1930's. I used Resorcinol
throughout my Pietenpol. It is the only glue approved by the FAA, and
it was used in the 1930's. Pain in the but to work with, but once cured
it will withstand 24 hours immersion in boiling water. Try that with
T-88.
I like T-88 for repairs and non-structural areas. Much easier to use
than Resorcinol, and plenty strong enough, but I just don't know how
well it will hold up after years of service. There's a lot of data on
resorcinol.
Let the flamers begin...
Jack Phillips
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:35 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check
Well, I have a solution thanks to the great and generous Nathan
who has already offered up the piece. And of course now some of those
other sources that came after are here on record for others. For me it
is learning the balance of new and old used in this plane. Nobody
suggests using the glues from the 1930's, and yet the metal fittings are
considered very servicable, and struts are as varied as it gets.... it
is an interesting process.
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack <mailto:Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution
check
Scott,
Ash has a number of interesting characteristics that
make it the right material for the landing gear (and the engine mounts
for the model A). I found this on the web: "...Because white ash wood
is tough, strong, and highly resistant to shock, it is particularly
sought for handles, oars, and baseball bats."
In addition to absorbing shock well, ash is relatively
light, and has the unique property that it does not splinter, which is
why it is used to make gymnastics parallel bars.
I don't know of any other wood with those
characteristics. It is worth going to some trouble to find the correct
wood. That is one of the joys of building a plans-built airplane, and
one of the things I'm missing while building my RV-10. It's just not
the same to go look in the crate that the kit came in to find a part, as
it was to have to search for the correct material and then fabricate the
part (in my case I usually had to fabricate several parts to get one
good one) when I was building my Pietenpol. Enjoy the building process.
In this age of kit-built airplanes, you are a member of a dying breed.
An Elite group.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:02 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution
check
Failing to find white ash for the two xmembers I
checked with a few wood working friends and they suggested Poplar and
Aspen as equivalent woods. I was able to find both 3/4 x 3 and 1/4 x 3
Aspen locally and it is clean knot free quality wood. I am inclined to
laminate 3 1/4x3 lengths to get a nice strong piece, probably overkill
but not allot of effort. Does anyone know of a compelling reason not to
use Aspen, laminated or single piece?
And let me say again, this group is great.
-Scott
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Subject: | White Ash substitution check |
Hi Scott,
I got my White Ash from The Wood & Shop Inc. 314-731-2761 or
www.woodnshop.com <http://www.woodnshop.com/> ! They will ship it to you
too!!!!!!!
Cheers,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check
Failing to find white ash for the two xmembers I checked with a few wood
working friends and they suggested Poplar and Aspen as equivalent woods. I
was able to find both 3/4 x 3 and 1/4 x 3 Aspen locally and it is clean knot
free quality wood. I am inclined to laminate 3 1/4x3 lengths to get a nice
strong piece, probably overkill but not allot of effort. Does anyone know of
a compelling reason not to use Aspen, laminated or single piece?
And let me say again, this group is great.
-Scott
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<http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
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Subject: | T-88 vs. resorcinol |
Good grief, Jack-! Are you planning to fly your Piet through 24 hours of
boiling water? Icarus will certainly plummet!
This is one discussion that will never end, as long as there are taverns,
hangars, and pilots. Less filling or more taste? T-88 or resorcinol? I'll
settle for T-88, having used it and found that its qualities are very
endearing... workable in temps down into the 50s, not fussy about
proportioning, nice gap filling, dries clear, readily available, quick
curing, will bond dissimilar materials, and well documented in aviation use
for a long time.
But, I do not plan to fly through boiling water, ever ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | T-88 vs. resorcinol |
With all this global warming you just never know when it might start
raining boiling water.
The list has been kind of quiet lately - just thought I'd stir things up
with a re-hash of the old glue discussion. So here goes.
I used both, T-88 and Resorcinol on my Pietenpol. Both are good glues,
and have their pros and cons. I happen to like Resorcinol better, but I
sure used a lot of T-88.
Resorcinol Pros
Very strong (if properly applied)
Long history in aircraft construction
FAA approved.
Totally weatherproof (the Mil Spec requires withstanding immersion in
boiling water for 24 hours)
Impervious to salt and fresh water, temperature extremes, solvents, oil,
acids and alkalis
Highly resistant to molds, fungi, bacteria and insects
Purple/Brownish color (looks good in laminations)
Easy to apply with a brush
Cleans up with water (before cured)
Resorcinol Cons
Joints must be tight (no gap-filling capability)
Temperature must be at least 70 F or joint strength may suffer
Joint must be clamped with a pressure of 25 - 75 psi
Purple Brownish color doesn't look nice for some applications
4:3 mix ratio is difficult to mix in small volumes
T-88 Pros
Very strong
Clear - nearly invisible when finished
Can be worked down to 35 F temperatures
Unaffected by water, oil, kerosene and many other chemicals when fully
cured
1:1 mix ratio (easy to mix small amounts)
Good gap-filling properties (joints can be messy)
Little or no clamping pressure required
T-88 Cons
Sticky - messy to work with
Difficult to apply with a brush
Long term exposure to weather results less clear than resorcinol
Not FAA approved (can't be used on certificated aircraft)
Basically I used Resorcinol everywhere I could, except in the cockpit
area where I didn't want the purple
glue lines. Other than the cockpit, the only places I used T-88 were
joints that were not perfect, or
places where I couldn't get good clamping pressure.
When repairing my plane after the forced landing, I found no glue joints
broken, either resorcinol or T-88.
I think both are excellent glues.
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 vs. resorcinol
--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Good grief, Jack-! Are you planning to fly your Piet through 24 hours
of
boiling water? Icarus will certainly plummet!
This is one discussion that will never end, as long as there are
taverns,
hangars, and pilots. Less filling or more taste? T-88 or resorcinol?
I'll
settle for T-88, having used it and found that its qualities are very
endearing... workable in temps down into the 50s, not fussy about
proportioning, nice gap filling, dries clear, readily available, quick
curing, will bond dissimilar materials, and well documented in aviation
use
for a long time.
But, I do not plan to fly through boiling water, ever ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: T-88 vs. resorcinol |
On 11/27/06, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>
> Other than the cockpit, the only places I used T-88 were
> joints that were not perfect, or
> places where I couldn't get good clamping pressure.
> ...
>
> Jack
What's this not perfect stuff? Jack, you surprise me, I thought if it's not
perfect you do it all over again?
Rick
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: T-88 vs. resorcinol |
A really interesting article on poly glues 9like gurilla glue) Vs
rescorcinal.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 vs. resorcinol
On 11/27/06, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
<Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Other than the cockpit, the only places I used T-88 were
joints that were not perfect, or
places where I couldn't get good clamping pressure.
...
Jack
What's this not perfect stuff? Jack, you surprise me, I thought if
it's not perfect you do it all over again?
Rick
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) |
>From the KRNet archives (not posted by me):
>I just called the Gorilla Glue folks at the phone number on the bottle.
>Tensile strength on Douglas Fir is 1700 psi. T-88 is 7000 psi (although
>it's not given as to what kind of wood was tested). Spruce has a
>tensile strength of something like 10,000 psi parallel to the grain and
>130 perpendicular to the grain, and there are other factors involved
>as well, but you might could argue for most applications that either
>would do. But T-88 is stronger than Gorilla Glue, and I personally
>would use T-88.
>
>One other deciding factor might be shelf life. The bottle of GG that I
>picked up is less than a year old and has only been opened once, and
>very little was used, but it's solid as a rock. T-88 lasts for years with
>no
>perceptible change. I've never seen it go bad. For airplane use, I would
>simply use the best.
There was also mention made of the fact that urethane glues will foam up in
the joint, causing some widening of the joint with resultant loss of
tolerance even if clamped up tight. What you end up with is hardened foam
in the joint and the strength of the joint becomes the strength of the foam.
Based on what I've heard about Gorilla Glue and other similar products,
they have their place but not on aircraft structures.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Chuck,
Please send me your address so I can send out your new christmas present UPS.
I'll send santa's invoice later...
Ken H.
Fargo,ND
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My address is 840 Woodley Dr., Atlanta,Ga, 30318. Gardiner Mason
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From: KMHeide
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chuck G
Chuck,
Please send me your address so I can send out your new christmas
present UPS.
I'll send santa's invoice later...
Ken H.
Fargo,ND
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Subject: | Continental C-125 core value?? |
Anyone have any idea what the core value is for a Continental C-125?
Complete but without mags or starter.
DJ
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I know there were a few finished and flying but beyond that I know
nothing. Does anyong have any info regarding the biplane conversion of
a GN-1 or even a Piet for that matter???
A woman is selling a nearly complete GN-1 bipe nearby and was asking me
to help her sell. It's nearly finished. just needs wings covered.
It's an interesting plane. I went to see it today.
DJ
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Subject: | Re: T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) |
In a message dated 11/27/2006 5:59:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
Based on what I've heard about Gorilla Glue and other similar products,
they have their place but not on aircraft structures.
Oscar Zuniga
I absolutely agree with Oscar. I have used urethane glues extensively, but
would never consider them for aircraft. Then again, what do I know? A man I
met in NC named John Jeffries built his entire airplane using Titebond III, the
stuff you get right off the shelf at Lowes. As far as I know, it is still
flying.
Ron
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Subject: | Re: T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) |
Hi Ron,
I don't believe Titebond III is a urethane glue; it is an alphatic resin and is
much more resistant to moisture, etc. It is a very good woodworking glue.
Cheers, Jim
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Hi All,
I have a few regrets as to the way I did things on my Piet, one of them
being that I wish I would have stained all the cockpit wood before varnishing.
I
used birtch plywood so the color is very blond. The guy who built the red
and black Sky Scout at Brodhead (can't remember his name) stained his whole
airframe to make it look "antique". I think it was Minwax Puritan Pine color.
Very cool looking. Also I wish I would have made my glove box larger a la
Mike Cuy.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Subject: | Is a firewall necessary? |
Hi All,
I am using a Ford A motor and am contemplating adding a stainless firewall
to the airplane. Of course it will add unwelcome weight and I am concerned
with that. Should I put it only on the large vertical area or also to the
"shelf" part where the mag goes? What are the opinions out there on this subject
of firewalls?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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