---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/27/06: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:36 AM - List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed! (Matt Dralle) 1. 03:01 AM - White Ash availability (HelsperSew@aol.com) 2. 03:08 AM - Re: heavy piet (HelsperSew@aol.com) 3. 04:15 AM - Re addresses (Graham and Robyn) 4. 05:08 AM - Re: White Ash substitution check (Phillips, Jack) 5. 05:36 AM - Re: White Ash substitution check (Scott Schreiber) 6. 05:57 AM - Re: White Ash substitution check (Roman Bukolt) 7. 05:57 AM - Re: White Ash substitution check (Phillips, Jack) 8. 07:13 AM - Re: White Ash substitution check (Dave Abramson) 9. 07:41 AM - T-88 vs. resorcinol (Oscar Zuniga) 10. 08:33 AM - Re: T-88 vs. resorcinol (Phillips, Jack) 11. 10:37 AM - Re: T-88 vs. resorcinol (Rick Holland) 12. 01:55 PM - Re: T-88 vs. resorcinol (Scott Schreiber) 13. 02:56 PM - T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) (Oscar Zuniga) 14. 03:00 PM - Chuck G (KMHeide) 15. 03:59 PM - Re: Chuck G (Gardiner Mason) 16. 06:12 PM - Continental C-125 core value?? (DJ Vegh) 17. 06:18 PM - GN-1 biplane (DJ Vegh) 18. 08:42 PM - Re: T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 19. 09:51 PM - Re: T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) (jimboyer@hughes.net) 20. 11:13 PM - Regrets? (HelsperSew@aol.com) 21. 11:19 PM - Is a firewall necessary? (HelsperSew@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:52 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the List seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical your magazine subscription! 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Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:52 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash availability I purchased white ash "baseball bat blanks" sold by Woodcraft. They have a mail order catalog and an extensive website. Your saw will have to be able to handle the piece which I believe was about 3 1/2" x 3 1/2" x 42" long if memory serves. The cost was about $35.00. I have a planer too which helps immeasurably when buiding a wood airplane. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:38 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: heavy piet Jack, What wall thickness was your straight axle? You mentioned a weight of 20 lbs, so I went out to my hangar and weighed mine (a full 72" long at this point before trimming) and it was only about 10 lbs. The thickness on mine is .120 I believe. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:10 AM PST US From: "Graham and Robyn" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re addresses Hi Bo here are the addresses, Phil is Chapter 24 Pres & Joe is Sect Hope to see you Wednesday Regards Graham ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check From: "Phillips, Jack" Scott, Ash has a number of interesting characteristics that make it the right material for the landing gear (and the engine mounts for the model A). I found this on the web: "...Because white ash wood is tough, strong, and highly resistant to shock, it is particularly sought for handles, oars, and baseball bats." In addition to absorbing shock well, ash is relatively light, and has the unique property that it does not splinter, which is why it is used to make gymnastics parallel bars. I don't know of any other wood with those characteristics. It is worth going to some trouble to find the correct wood. That is one of the joys of building a plans-built airplane, and one of the things I'm missing while building my RV-10. It's just not the same to go look in the crate that the kit came in to find a part, as it was to have to search for the correct material and then fabricate the part (in my case I usually had to fabricate several parts to get one good one) when I was building my Pietenpol. Enjoy the building process. In this age of kit-built airplanes, you are a member of a dying breed. An Elite group. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:02 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check Failing to find white ash for the two xmembers I checked with a few wood working friends and they suggested Poplar and Aspen as equivalent woods. I was able to find both 3/4 x 3 and 1/4 x 3 Aspen locally and it is clean knot free quality wood. I am inclined to laminate 3 1/4x3 lengths to get a nice strong piece, probably overkill but not allot of effort. Does anyone know of a compelling reason not to use Aspen, laminated or single piece? And let me say again, this group is great. -Scott _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:39 AM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check MessageWell, I have a solution thanks to the great and generous Nathan who has already offered up the piece. And of course now some of those other sources that came after are here on record for others. For me it is learning the balance of new and old used in this plane. Nobody suggests using the glues from the 1930's, and yet the metal fittings are considered very servicable, and struts are as varied as it gets.... it is an interesting process. -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check Scott, Ash has a number of interesting characteristics that make it the right material for the landing gear (and the engine mounts for the model A). I found this on the web: "...Because white ash wood is tough, strong, and highly resistant to shock, it is particularly sought for handles, oars, and baseball bats." In addition to absorbing shock well, ash is relatively light, and has the unique property that it does not splinter, which is why it is used to make gymnastics parallel bars. I don't know of any other wood with those characteristics. It is worth going to some trouble to find the correct wood. That is one of the joys of building a plans-built airplane, and one of the things I'm missing while building my RV-10. It's just not the same to go look in the crate that the kit came in to find a part, as it was to have to search for the correct material and then fabricate the part (in my case I usually had to fabricate several parts to get one good one) when I was building my Pietenpol. Enjoy the building process. In this age of kit-built airplanes, you are a member of a dying breed. An Elite group. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:02 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check Failing to find white ash for the two xmembers I checked with a few wood working friends and they suggested Poplar and Aspen as equivalent woods. I was able to find both 3/4 x 3 and 1/4 x 3 Aspen locally and it is clean knot free quality wood. I am inclined to laminate 3 1/4x3 lengths to get a nice strong piece, probably overkill but not allot of effort. Does anyone know of a compelling reason not to use Aspen, laminated or single piece? And let me say again, this group is great. -Scott _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:08 AM PST US From: "Roman Bukolt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check MessageI read with interest your comparison of the Pietenpol project vs. the RV-10. You can't get much greater contrast in homebuilts then that. It just so happens that I am simultaneously building both, the Piet and the RV-10. I started my Piet in Jan.2004 and have the tremendous benefit of having Bill Rewey as my close friend, advisor, and DAR. I have all my ribs done, the fuselage about 90% complete and have finished welding up the landing gear. Then last Jan. my son ordered the tail kit of an RV-10. When I told him "you don't have the time or the passion to tackle a project of this size", he replied, " I know. I'm not going to build it, you are." So, in the evenings a couple days each week I get over to his home to work on the RV, and during the day, I go to my basement and work on my Piet. Meanwhile, he started taking flying lessons. He hasn't soloed yet. I convinced him to own his trainer rather than rent, so he and I bought a really nice 1972 Cessna 150 with low engine time and an IFR panel. Then he had built a beautiful 50 x 60ft hangar, complete with office, bath with shower, fully insulated, heated, well lit, and big enough to hold three planes. Since my special issuance med ran out last Aug. and I can't re apply for several months (cancer) I went and bought a really well built Piet from a guy in Baxter, Ia. to fly under the Sport Pilot rules while continuing to build my Piet. So, I have the best of all worlds: building two very different aircraft, have two very differnt planes to fly, and the luxury of housing them in a very nice hangar at a totally new rebuilt airport in Middleton, Wi. Who said you have to die to be in paradise? Roman Bukolt NX 20795 N 1765Q ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check Scott, Ash has a number of interesting characteristics that make it the right material for the landing gear (and the engine mounts for the model A). I found this on the web: "...Because white ash wood is tough, strong, and highly resistant to shock, it is particularly sought for handles, oars, and baseball bats." In addition to absorbing shock well, ash is relatively light, and has the unique property that it does not splinter, which is why it is used to make gymnastics parallel bars. I don't know of any other wood with those characteristics. It is worth going to some trouble to find the correct wood. That is one of the joys of building a plans-built airplane, and one of the things I'm missing while building my RV-10. It's just not the same to go look in the crate that the kit came in to find a part, as it was to have to search for the correct material and then fabricate the part (in my case I usually had to fabricate several parts to get one good one) when I was building my Pietenpol. Enjoy the building process. In this age of kit-built airplanes, you are a member of a dying breed. An Elite group. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:02 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check Failing to find white ash for the two xmembers I checked with a few wood working friends and they suggested Poplar and Aspen as equivalent woods. I was able to find both 3/4 x 3 and 1/4 x 3 Aspen locally and it is clean knot free quality wood. I am inclined to laminate 3 1/4x3 lengths to get a nice strong piece, probably overkill but not allot of effort. Does anyone know of a compelling reason not to use Aspen, laminated or single piece? And let me say again, this group is great. -Scott _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check From: "Phillips, Jack" Actually I do suggest the glues from the 1930's. I used Resorcinol throughout my Pietenpol. It is the only glue approved by the FAA, and it was used in the 1930's. Pain in the but to work with, but once cured it will withstand 24 hours immersion in boiling water. Try that with T-88. I like T-88 for repairs and non-structural areas. Much easier to use than Resorcinol, and plenty strong enough, but I just don't know how well it will hold up after years of service. There's a lot of data on resorcinol. Let the flamers begin... Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:35 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check Well, I have a solution thanks to the great and generous Nathan who has already offered up the piece. And of course now some of those other sources that came after are here on record for others. For me it is learning the balance of new and old used in this plane. Nobody suggests using the glues from the 1930's, and yet the metal fittings are considered very servicable, and struts are as varied as it gets.... it is an interesting process. -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check Scott, Ash has a number of interesting characteristics that make it the right material for the landing gear (and the engine mounts for the model A). I found this on the web: "...Because white ash wood is tough, strong, and highly resistant to shock, it is particularly sought for handles, oars, and baseball bats." In addition to absorbing shock well, ash is relatively light, and has the unique property that it does not splinter, which is why it is used to make gymnastics parallel bars. I don't know of any other wood with those characteristics. It is worth going to some trouble to find the correct wood. That is one of the joys of building a plans-built airplane, and one of the things I'm missing while building my RV-10. It's just not the same to go look in the crate that the kit came in to find a part, as it was to have to search for the correct material and then fabricate the part (in my case I usually had to fabricate several parts to get one good one) when I was building my Pietenpol. Enjoy the building process. In this age of kit-built airplanes, you are a member of a dying breed. An Elite group. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:02 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check Failing to find white ash for the two xmembers I checked with a few wood working friends and they suggested Poplar and Aspen as equivalent woods. 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Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:03 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check Hi Scott, I got my White Ash from The Wood & Shop Inc. 314-731-2761 or www.woodnshop.com ! They will ship it to you too!!!!!!! Cheers, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: White Ash substitution check Failing to find white ash for the two xmembers I checked with a few wood working friends and they suggested Poplar and Aspen as equivalent woods. I was able to find both 3/4 x 3 and 1/4 x 3 Aspen locally and it is clean knot free quality wood. I am inclined to laminate 3 1/4x3 lengths to get a nice strong piece, probably overkill but not allot of effort. Does anyone know of a compelling reason not to use Aspen, laminated or single piece? And let me say again, this group is great. -Scott ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:52 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 vs. resorcinol Good grief, Jack-! Are you planning to fly your Piet through 24 hours of boiling water? Icarus will certainly plummet! This is one discussion that will never end, as long as there are taverns, hangars, and pilots. Less filling or more taste? T-88 or resorcinol? I'll settle for T-88, having used it and found that its qualities are very endearing... workable in temps down into the 50s, not fussy about proportioning, nice gap filling, dries clear, readily available, quick curing, will bond dissimilar materials, and well documented in aviation use for a long time. But, I do not plan to fly through boiling water, ever ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 vs. resorcinol From: "Phillips, Jack" With all this global warming you just never know when it might start raining boiling water. The list has been kind of quiet lately - just thought I'd stir things up with a re-hash of the old glue discussion. So here goes. I used both, T-88 and Resorcinol on my Pietenpol. Both are good glues, and have their pros and cons. I happen to like Resorcinol better, but I sure used a lot of T-88. Resorcinol Pros Very strong (if properly applied) Long history in aircraft construction FAA approved. Totally weatherproof (the Mil Spec requires withstanding immersion in boiling water for 24 hours) Impervious to salt and fresh water, temperature extremes, solvents, oil, acids and alkalis Highly resistant to molds, fungi, bacteria and insects Purple/Brownish color (looks good in laminations) Easy to apply with a brush Cleans up with water (before cured) Resorcinol Cons Joints must be tight (no gap-filling capability) Temperature must be at least 70 F or joint strength may suffer Joint must be clamped with a pressure of 25 - 75 psi Purple Brownish color doesn't look nice for some applications 4:3 mix ratio is difficult to mix in small volumes T-88 Pros Very strong Clear - nearly invisible when finished Can be worked down to 35 F temperatures Unaffected by water, oil, kerosene and many other chemicals when fully cured 1:1 mix ratio (easy to mix small amounts) Good gap-filling properties (joints can be messy) Little or no clamping pressure required T-88 Cons Sticky - messy to work with Difficult to apply with a brush Long term exposure to weather results less clear than resorcinol Not FAA approved (can't be used on certificated aircraft) Basically I used Resorcinol everywhere I could, except in the cockpit area where I didn't want the purple glue lines. Other than the cockpit, the only places I used T-88 were joints that were not perfect, or places where I couldn't get good clamping pressure. When repairing my plane after the forced landing, I found no glue joints broken, either resorcinol or T-88. I think both are excellent glues. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 vs. resorcinol --> Good grief, Jack-! Are you planning to fly your Piet through 24 hours of boiling water? Icarus will certainly plummet! This is one discussion that will never end, as long as there are taverns, hangars, and pilots. Less filling or more taste? T-88 or resorcinol? I'll settle for T-88, having used it and found that its qualities are very endearing... workable in temps down into the 50s, not fussy about proportioning, nice gap filling, dries clear, readily available, quick curing, will bond dissimilar materials, and well documented in aviation use for a long time. But, I do not plan to fly through boiling water, ever ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. _________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:08 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 vs. resorcinol On 11/27/06, Phillips, Jack wrote: > > Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> > > Other than the cockpit, the only places I used T-88 were > joints that were not perfect, or > places where I couldn't get good clamping pressure. > ... > > Jack What's this not perfect stuff? Jack, you surprise me, I thought if it's not perfect you do it all over again? Rick -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:37 PM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 vs. resorcinol A really interesting article on poly glues 9like gurilla glue) Vs rescorcinal. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 vs. resorcinol On 11/27/06, Phillips, Jack wrote: Other than the cockpit, the only places I used T-88 were joints that were not perfect, or places where I couldn't get good clamping pressure. ... Jack What's this not perfect stuff? Jack, you surprise me, I thought if it's not perfect you do it all over again? Rick -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:46 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) >From the KRNet archives (not posted by me): >I just called the Gorilla Glue folks at the phone number on the bottle. >Tensile strength on Douglas Fir is 1700 psi. T-88 is 7000 psi (although >it's not given as to what kind of wood was tested). Spruce has a >tensile strength of something like 10,000 psi parallel to the grain and >130 perpendicular to the grain, and there are other factors involved >as well, but you might could argue for most applications that either >would do. But T-88 is stronger than Gorilla Glue, and I personally >would use T-88. > >One other deciding factor might be shelf life. The bottle of GG that I >picked up is less than a year old and has only been opened once, and >very little was used, but it's solid as a rock. T-88 lasts for years with >no >perceptible change. I've never seen it go bad. For airplane use, I would >simply use the best. There was also mention made of the fact that urethane glues will foam up in the joint, causing some widening of the joint with resultant loss of tolerance even if clamped up tight. What you end up with is hardened foam in the joint and the strength of the joint becomes the strength of the foam. Based on what I've heard about Gorilla Glue and other similar products, they have their place but not on aircraft structures. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:59 PM PST US From: KMHeide Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chuck G Chuck, Please send me your address so I can send out your new christmas present UPS. I'll send santa's invoice later... Ken H. Fargo,ND --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:09 PM PST US From: "Gardiner Mason" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chuck G My address is 840 Woodley Dr., Atlanta,Ga, 30318. Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide To: Pietenpol Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chuck G Chuck, Please send me your address so I can send out your new christmas present UPS. I'll send santa's invoice later... Ken H. Fargo,ND ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 11/27/2006 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:15 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental C-125 core value?? Anyone have any idea what the core value is for a Continental C-125? Complete but without mags or starter. DJ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:32 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 biplane I know there were a few finished and flying but beyond that I know nothing. Does anyong have any info regarding the biplane conversion of a GN-1 or even a Piet for that matter??? A woman is selling a nearly complete GN-1 bipe nearby and was asking me to help her sell. It's nearly finished. just needs wings covered. It's an interesting plane. I went to see it today. DJ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:48 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) In a message dated 11/27/2006 5:59:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: Based on what I've heard about Gorilla Glue and other similar products, they have their place but not on aircraft structures. Oscar Zuniga I absolutely agree with Oscar. I have used urethane glues extensively, but would never consider them for aircraft. Then again, what do I know? A man I met in NC named John Jeffries built his entire airplane using Titebond III, the stuff you get right off the shelf at Lowes. As far as I know, it is still flying. Ron ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:29 PM PST US From: "jimboyer@hughes.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 vs. urethane (Gorilla Glue) Hi Ron, I don't believe Titebond III is a urethane glue; it is an alphatic resin and is much more resistant to moisture, etc. It is a very good woodworking glue. Cheers, Jim ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:02 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Regrets? Hi All, I have a few regrets as to the way I did things on my Piet, one of them being that I wish I would have stained all the cockpit wood before varnishing. I used birtch plywood so the color is very blond. The guy who built the red and black Sky Scout at Brodhead (can't remember his name) stained his whole airframe to make it look "antique". I think it was Minwax Puritan Pine color. Very cool looking. Also I wish I would have made my glove box larger a la Mike Cuy. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:20 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is a firewall necessary? Hi All, I am using a Ford A motor and am contemplating adding a stainless firewall to the airplane. Of course it will add unwelcome weight and I am concerned with that. Should I put it only on the large vertical area or also to the "shelf" part where the mag goes? What are the opinions out there on this subject of firewalls? 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