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1. 08:36 AM - America Tour (Rcaprd@aol.com)
2. 09:40 AM - Re: Leather behind the cockpit (shad bell)
3. 10:02 AM - Re: America Tour (gcardinal)
4. 10:24 AM - Re: international pietenpol association (antique airplane assoc.)
5. 10:29 AM - Re: America Tour (antique airplane assoc.)
6. 11:08 AM - twin piet (antique airplane assoc.)
7. 02:00 PM - Re: twin piet (Rick Holland)
8. 02:52 PM - Twin Pietenpol (shad bell)
9. 03:05 PM - Re: Internatinal Piet Assn. (shad bell)
10. 04:35 PM - Re: Internatinal Piet Assn. (Rcaprd@aol.com)
11. 05:23 PM - bending Lexan (Gene & Tammy)
12. 06:10 PM - Re: America Tour (Dick Navratil)
13. 06:35 PM - Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall (Scott Schreiber)
14. 07:18 PM - ohio gathering (glich7@juno.com)
15. 08:44 PM - sport aviation (Dick Navratil)
16. 08:59 PM - Re: America Tour (Steve Eldredge)
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In a message dated 12/2/2006 11:31:20 PM Central Standard Time,
ric@srclink.net writes:
Hmmm... maybe there's a trend started here!
Ben and I have already talked about it.... Let's put a squadron together!
Like most folks, my biggest hurdle is getting time off work. A couple of
weeks is not much problem, but what I'm talking about, is an actual lap around
America, or at least touching each Ocean. Those Big Bumps out west (Rocky
Mountains) would be another major hurdle to get over, or around. Maybe consider
doing it for some Charity Organization. Naturally, Brodhead would have to be in
the flight plan. I'm sure we could get some planes to join up for various
segments of the flight. Most Pietenpols can carry a couple of hours of fuel
onboard, therefore, most legs of the flight would have to be about 2 hrs long.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Leather behind the cockpit |
Mike, Dad had to do something similar. I believe he DID use tapes there but it
still got a "ratty" looking edge at the top of the seat back from getting in
and out. He used a strip of aluminum and wrapped it with leather and laced it
to look like the cockpit coaming and held it on with a couple sheet metal screws,
looks OK.
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| Subject: | Re: America Tour |
Does anybody know the lowest service ceiling an aircraft needs to safely
get through the mountains?
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: America Tour
Hmmm... maybe there's a trend started here!
Ben and I have already talked about it.... Let's put a squadron
together!
Like most folks, my biggest hurdle is getting time off work. A couple
of weeks is not much problem, but what I'm talking about, is an actual
lap around America, or at least touching each Ocean. Those Big Bumps
out west (Rocky Mountains) would be another major hurdle to get over, or
around. Maybe consider doing it for some Charity Organization.
Naturally, Brodhead would have to be in the flight plan. I'm sure we
could get some planes to join up for various segments of the flight.
Most Pietenpols can carry a couple of hours of fuel onboard, therefore,
most legs of the flight would have to be about 2 hrs long.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: international pietenpol association |
chuck it is great to here from you i have been diligently working my tail off trying
to get grandads piet back in flying condition i got the wing completely
covered and ready to start taping but the weather here kinda went to pot and i
have been doing some major repair to an aeronca tc that had a misshap in northern
mo that alongside a landing gear rebuild on a cherokee and numerous other
things put the wing on the back burner as to the big trip i am still planning
on doing it it is just when this next year doesn't look to promising but 08 is
going to be the year i should have all the bugs worked out of the model a and
since it appears that there are more than a few of us that want to do it i
think we should plan an oddyse of piets to go and yes raising a little money for
a reputable charity would be a great idea we should though start planning now
it will help in the long run
later
ben
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| Subject: | Re: America Tour |
greg
alot of how you go depends on where you go when i do my transcontinental tour in
my grandads piet i am going to pretty much follow the interstate that goes from
souix falls all the way to seattlle and according to my dad he has flown that
route in a c3b stearman for a friend of his 7000 to 7500 msl is all the higher
you need to go and you have good roads all the way to follow but i do know
that there is a pass south of that route that you only have to go to about 6500
msl to get through but you got to remember in that part of the world density
alt. is the killer
ben
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hey everyone
my grandad was going through some pics he has yesturday and ran across a picture
of n12043 it is a piet that was built with two cont. 65's mounted right together
one above the other and one is direct drive and the other is belt driven
as far as i can tell the wings are clipped for weight i would assume and it has
two props mounted 90 degrees to eachother we want to do a story on it for the
news letter but i need some more info the faa website still has it regitered
kinda it iw reported as sold so i am not sure of its status if any of you have
info. let me know please any help on this one would be appreciated i will try
and attach a picture if i can to help you get an idea of what i am talking about
ben
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Please post a picture Ben, with all the mods people make to Pietenpols
adding a second engine is something I never would have imagined anyone would
do. Do you know if it ever flew?
Rick
On 12/3/06, antique airplane assoc. <benjaminltaylor@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> benjaminltaylor@yahoo.com>
>
> hey everyone
>
> my grandad was going through some pics he has yesturday and ran across a
> picture of n12043 it is a piet that was built with two cont. 65's mounted
> right together one above the other and one is direct drive and the other is
> belt driven as far as i can tell the wings are clipped for weight i would
> assume and it has two props mounted 90 degrees to eachother we want to do a
> story on it for the news letter but i need some more info the faa website
> still has it regitered kinda it iw reported as sold so i am not sure of its
> status if any of you have info. let me know please any help on this one
> would be appreciated i will try and attach a picture if i can to help you
> get an idea of what i am talking about
>
> ben
>
> --------
> ben taylor
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=78847#78847
>
>
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Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Hello , I have seen pictures of the twin piet. I bought a bunch of random old
aviation magizines from the late 60's and early 70's and found a photo of the
twin. I can't remember which mag it was or what year or month. It had a small
artical named, "Bernie, Bernie, Bernie, look what people are doing to your airplane".
It had one piet with a chevy vega engine, one with a buick (i think)
and the twin 65 cont. The twin had counter rotating props if I remember correctly,
(but I am not positive). One engine mounted above the other and a belt
driving the front prop drive unit. It may have had a planitary gear drive for
prop to turn other direction. If I remember I will get the magizine back from
dad and scan the article and post it. It definitly got my attention with 1
prop in front of the other.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Internatinal Piet Assn. |
Hello Group, I was wondering where I saw Blakesburg Iowa on a patch....and then
I looked through some patches an older fellow gave me years ago. He gave me
2 or 3 Buckeye Piet Assn. patches that were 4-5 in round and had a orange piet
on them. He also gave me a Internatinal Piet Assn patch that was about 3 in
by 6 in, and it was light blue and had a blue and yellow piet on it. At the
bottom of the patch it said Blakesburg Iowa. The man who gave me the patches
was named John Zurick. He was from central Ohio and had started a piet but then
one day decided to cut it up, and he burnned it. Don't ask, I don't know
why, that is just the story I heard. He was definitly a colorful character,
but has since passed on. In fact I hadn't thought of him untill I saw the patches
again he gave me years ago. Does any one know what ever happened to the
Buckeye Pietenpol Assn?
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Internatinal Piet Assn. |
In a message dated 12/3/2006 5:07:38 PM Central Standard Time,
aviatorbell@yahoo.com writes:
Does any one know what ever happened to the Buckeye Pietenpol Assn?
Shad,
It's now the 'Brodhead Pietenpol Association'. Doc Mosher is the editor of
the quartly news letter, printed by The Independent-Register, in Brodhead WI.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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My thanks to all for the good info on bending Lexan. I have some scraps
I'll try the different methods on and see what works best for me.
Again, thanks
Gene
N502R
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| Subject: | Re: America Tour |
Greg
I have done a fair amount of mountain flying and other than basic VFR
minimums the safe answer is to make sure it won't possibly box you in
with no way out. More of a threat are the mountain winds which can be
horrible. One place in particular that was brought up on the talk of
west coast trip today was following I-90 west of Billings. That stretch
going to Bozeman can be very dangerous if you get to close to the
Absoraka Range.
To anyone really thinking of that kind of trip, going thru Wyoming,
following I-80 would be much easier. Remember the advice someone on the
list had a year or so ago. "When flying low lever thru Mont and Idaho,
fly along the roads, so they will be able to find your body."
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour
Does anybody know the lowest service ceiling an aircraft needs to
safely get through the mountains?
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: America Tour
Hmmm... maybe there's a trend started here!
Ben and I have already talked about it.... Let's put a squadron
together!
Like most folks, my biggest hurdle is getting time off work. A
couple of weeks is not much problem, but what I'm talking about, is an
actual lap around America, or at least touching each Ocean. Those Big
Bumps out west (Rocky Mountains) would be another major hurdle to get
over, or around. Maybe consider doing it for some Charity Organization.
Naturally, Brodhead would have to be in the flight plan. I'm sure we
could get some planes to join up for various segments of the flight.
Most Pietenpols can carry a couple of hours of fuel onboard, therefore,
most legs of the flight would have to be about 2 hrs long.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall |
I am ready to start cutting some metal fittings and need the sheet metal
for my firewall as well. I have seen some different alloys suggested for
cutting the fittings from other than the one suggested in the plan. What
is the best option for the fittings? What would be the proper guage of
stainless for the firewall?
-Scott Schreiber
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Hi Group,
I realize that this topic is nearly forgotten by now, but I've been
really busy, and could only read the list (finals this week). Just
wanted to add my two cents: The Ohio Pietenpol (& Corvair? &More?)
gathering sounds like my kind of fly-in. I'll be there one way or
another (no piet). It would be worth it to rent a spam can but I'd
probably drive. Hope we get a better turnout than that one that was
in northeastern ohio, and some good weather. Oh yeah, Hi and Welcome
to that new Tim that signed on a few days ago..I think we have at
least 3 now.
Tim Hansen in Orient, OH
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I had shut down the computer and gone up to read my new Sport Aviation.
First, there is nice blurb by Oscar Zuniga. Nice one Oscar.
Second, there is a good article on mountain flying, which is in tonights
discussion.
Lastly, there is a great article on flame testing on firewalls. Also,
very timely.
Dick N.
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That seems a bit extreme. I live and fly in Utah and Colorado and
Idaho. I started my flying lessons as a 15 year old in Broomfield
Colorado at 5000MSL. As you know I fly a 65hp cont powered piet all
summer long, and have made trips to Idaho and even Brodhead. I flew the
I-80 corridor. Density altitudes are over 10K' in the early mornings
near Rock Springs and Rawlins WY. I have fueled up in Rawlins a couple
of times. The runway is uphill, and it is a slow climb out. That is
the hard part. I climbed upto about 10,500' to have a few thousand feet
between me and the ground, and to cut corners going around the highest
peaks. This fall I set a new absolute altitude record for my piet.
12,200' with the assistance of ridge lift. It was actually un-nerving
to me as I flew away from the mountain over the valley which is 4500'.
There was no sensation of motion, just the ground over a mile below as I
looked over the side.
If you haven't done any mountain flying, take a course, and do some
reading up. It can be done safely, but you have to always leave
yourself an out. For me? No box canyons, be careful of lee side winds,
stay out of weather, supplemental O2, beware high density altitudes, add
survival gear, daylight hours only, stay light, be willing to turn
around. Oh, and bring a camera!
Steve E
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour
Greg
I have done a fair amount of mountain flying and other than basic VFR
minimums the safe answer is to make sure it won't possibly box you in
with no way out. More of a threat are the mountain winds which can be
horrible. One place in particular that was brought up on the talk of
west coast trip today was following I-90 west of Billings. That stretch
going to Bozeman can be very dangerous if you get to close to the
Absoraka Range.
To anyone really thinking of that kind of trip, going thru Wyoming,
following I-80 would be much easier. Remember the advice someone on the
list had a year or so ago. "When flying low lever thru Mont and Idaho,
fly along the roads, so they will be able to find your body."
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal <mailto:gcardinal@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour
Does anybody know the lowest service ceiling an aircraft needs
to safely get through the mountains?
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: America Tour
Hmmm... maybe there's a trend started here!
Ben and I have already talked about it.... Let's
put a squadron together!
Like most folks, my biggest hurdle is getting time off
work. A couple of weeks is not much problem, but what I'm talking
about, is an actual lap around America, or at least touching each Ocean.
Those Big Bumps out west (Rocky Mountains) would be another major hurdle
to get over, or around. Maybe consider doing it for some Charity
Organization. Naturally, Brodhead would have to be in the flight plan.
I'm sure we could get some planes to join up for various segments of the
flight. Most Pietenpols can carry a couple of hours of fuel onboard,
therefore, most legs of the flight would have to be about 2 hrs long.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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