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1. 05:31 AM - Re: WAY off topic (Bill Church)
2. 05:49 AM - Re: WAY off topic ()
3. 06:07 AM - Re: Marginal topic (Steve Glass)
4. 11:13 AM - ohio gathering (glich7@juno.com)
5. 11:15 AM - Marginal decal (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 11:26 AM - Re: Marginal decal ()
7. 11:35 AM - Re: WAY off topic (FTLovley@aol.com)
8. 11:41 AM - Re: WAY off topic ()
9. 12:25 PM - Re: Marginal decal (Jack T. Textor)
10. 12:44 PM - Winter does live in Ohio today ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
11. 01:03 PM - Autolite Annie (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
12. 01:24 PM - Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! (Jeff Boatright)
13. 01:33 PM - Marginal decal (Oscar Zuniga)
14. 02:36 PM - Re: Autolite Annie (Isablcorky@aol.com)
15. 02:41 PM - Re: ohio gathering (shad bell)
16. 02:56 PM - Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! (Rcaprd@aol.com)
17. 03:48 PM - Re: Fuse questions... (Steve Singleton)
18. 04:04 PM - Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
19. 05:31 PM - Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall (shad bell)
20. 05:45 PM - Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall (Gary Gower)
21. 06:01 PM - Re: Brass radiator (Gene Rambo)
22. 07:52 PM - Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! (Dick Navratil)
23. 08:08 PM - Today's Special! My old project is still for sale (Eric Williams)
24. 09:06 PM - Re: Marginal topic (Clif Dawson)
25. 09:12 PM - Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall (Rcaprd@aol.com)
26. 11:27 PM - Re: Fuse questions... (Catdesigns)
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Yeah, I want a new Marginal decal, too...
What's a Marginal decal?
You're right Ric, that is WAY off topic.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
R. Ryburn
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WAY off topic
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Forrest -
I need a new Marginal decal.
Ric Ryburn (of the Parsons Ryburns, now in Virginia)
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A Marginal decal is what you put on the side of your plane that sez you
are Marginal.At best close to sane.A little to one side or the other,one
sandwich short of a picnic,things like that.I may be wrong but I think
it's the same thing we have to put on our planes up here that are
experimental or ultralight saying that we are "un" something and that to
be aware before flying.Marginal meaning close to the ground.Maybe?
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Marginal
fringy: at or constituting a border or edge;
borderline: of questionable or minimal quality; "borderline grades"; "
hardscrabble: of a bare living gained by great labor; "the sharecropper's
hardscrabble life";
"a marginal existence"
bare(a): just barely adequate or within a lower limit; "a bare majority"; "a
marginal victory"
producing at a rate that barely covers production costs; "marginal
industries";
being close to a lower limit or or of lower class; "marginal abilities"
wow........ a lot of this could really applyto Pietenpols.
If you give a Marginal decal to him can you give one to me Please
please.........please
Steve in Maine
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Shad,
I'm about 1/2 way between Denton rd. and the Orient post office on
Stahl Rd. I'm about a 4 minute drive from Jim & Dondie @ Millertime
and I've talked to Jim several times though none recently. He seems
to travel a lot. Last time I checked he was a distributor or workshop
leader for one of the aircraft fabric companies I think. As for
building, as I said in another post, I have been researching for my
pietenpol project longer than most people take to build due to time
and cash constraints. I'm currently a senior at OSU so funds are that
of the average college student. I have been squirreling(?) away bits
and pieces for quite awhile, and have attended a corvair college. I
also have a pretty impressive clamp collection going. "Why do you
NEED ANYMORE CLAMPS, DON'T YOU HAVE ENOUGH?!!...." So, I guess feel
free to stop by if your in the neighborhood but don't expect to see
much other than my also on hold ground effect glider project.
Tim Hansen in Orient "Where Winter Lives" Ohio
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I'm not sure about Marginal decals, but 41CC is now wearing some new decals
on each side. I installed new Unison/Autolite spark plugs on the engine and
got some nifty "Autolite Annie" decals to put on the airplane. Corky,
Mikee- you will like these. Tasteful but "period looking" and I think they
make a statement.
To see what they look like, you can check out the image here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/800x600_A.jpg . Better than marginal.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Gee I wouldn't mind her on the side of my aircraft.The colour would look
nifty with the dark blue.Is it possible to get them (2 of em)one for
each side without actually ordering the plugs.To order those types of
plugs would mean changing my whole system over and that could cost
thousands counting the modifications to my mags etc.The decals do look
mighty good.Do they sell the old style plugs as well?
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| Subject: | Re: WAY off topic |
Hey Ric...I need a new Marginal decal also...my supply is running low. Ihad
a guy at OSH ask to buy some...guess I'll have to print some more up. How's
things with you..??
Forrest...Founder, Marginal Aviation
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Would a marginal flyer be one that only flys(flies,flize) occasionally?
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
FTLovley@aol.com
Sent: December 5, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: WAY off topic
Hey Ric...I need a new Marginal decal also...my supply is running low.
Ihad a guy at OSH ask to buy some...guess I'll have to print some more
up. How's things with you..??
Forrest...Founder, Marginal Aviation
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I miss the days when you could buy some nice nose-art t-shirts at Air
Venture. They must feel they are offensive.
Jack Textor
www.textors.com
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I'm not sure about Marginal decals
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| Subject: | Winter does live in Ohio today ! |
Tim Hansen is right.....took this photo today at 6:45 am before starting
work:
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Oscar-- that is a very nice looking piece of WWII artwork. Corky, did
you by chance date that gal while you were in the service or wouldn't
Isabelle allow that ? Either way, you probably ended up changing your
own spark plugs or watching some gruff crew chief doing while munching
on a cheap stogie. I'll bet Corky dated Rosie the Riveter, eh ?
Either way-- nice looking decal and not marginal at all.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! |
Sorry, man. If I loaned you some, I couldn't go flying this weekend.
FWIW, eBayers are persistently selling Mac100 coveralls. My plane
partner bought one and it definitely keeps you warm!
At 2:43 PM -0600 12/5/06, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote:
>Tim Hansen is right.....took this photo today at 6:45 am before starting work:
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Harvey, the plugs I bought for the A65 Continental on 41CC are Autolite
UREM-40E, a direct cross to the Champion REM-40E specified for all these
engines except lower cost. They really are a nice plug. I bought my set on
eBay as a set for even less than the cost through Aircraft Spruce, Chief
Aircraft, or any of the others. They are not automotive spark plugs... they
are aviation spark plugs as Autolite Annie clearly states ;o)
I don't know where you can get your decals from except directly from a
Unison dealer or maybe their booth at a fly-in. I actually got a matching
refrigerator magnet as well as a wall poster (scheduled to go in the new EAA
Chapter 35 hangar) with a complete application reference showing which
Autolite plug to use in which engine. I also got a decal for their
fine-wire plugs with Annie in white pants and a black flying jacket (which
you can see at http://www.autoliteannie.com/about/gear.htm and just wait a
few seconds to see the logo in the upper right-hand corner change), but
didn't think it was as classy as the other, not to mention the fact that I
don't fly fine-wire plugs in the A65 and was concerned about truth in
advertising ;o)
As for Jack's comment about nose art and its absence at Airventure, if it
isn't about men appreciating women then somebody isn't being honest. And if
it weren't about women trying to appeal to men, then what is all the
advertising, plastic surgery, and marketing about anyway? God created that
attraction and I defer to His intents and purposes for men and women being
different. And I will fly with Autolite spark plugs!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Autolite Annie |
To be honest Mike she does resemble Dorothy from Vicksburg but I would need
to see MORE of her to positively identify the body
Nathan
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| Subject: | Re: ohio gathering |
Tim, I guess I am not the only "Green horn" on the list. If your a senior at OSU,
(GO BUCKS!), I am not too much older than you at 28yrs. If you like, I can
fly down your way and give you a ride in the Piet when we get it back in the
air, and the weather warms up. That is definitly a motivator, It kicked my butt
in gear to get building on my Jungster when I flew the piet the first time.
If you have never flown open cockpit it's like flying a Harley through the
sky, except the corvair engine is louder. Since you are realitively close, keep
in touch I'm sure Dad would not mind letting you borrow things like his rib
jig, or other time saving jigs he might still have lying around. As far as money,
once you make up your mind that you ARE going to build a piet, (or any other
airplane), just build it $100 at a time and do a little every week and it
will get done. Dad's was about $12,000 over the course of 6.5 years of weekend
only building. That's only an average of $154
per month (less than my bar tabs in my wilder days). So keep collecting clamps,
and keep your eyes open for deals on airplane "stuff" that you will need,
And even more clamps, then take the plunge and make your first aircraft lumber
order, and start building ribs.
Go Bucks!
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! |
In a message dated 12/5/2006 2:46:34 PM Central Standard Time,
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
Tim Hansen is right.....took this photo today at 6:45 am before starting work:
Sorry, Mikee...we just used up all our heat to melt off most of the 8" of
snow that was dumped out here on Tuesday, in the Land of Oz !!
Chuck G.
Wichita, KS
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| Subject: | Re: Fuse questions... |
Hi everyone-I'm new on the list and have been enjoying the dialog for some
time now. Needless to say i'm an airplane nut and have wanted to build a
piet for some time now. I have my ribs made and most wood for the project
except spars and longerons. By the way if anyone was planning to buy any
spruce fom Paxtons in KC they have cut in half all there 16 18 and 20ft.
boardes (per the new owner). I have a temporary table made for the fus. jig
and have decided to go with a 65 ( even tho I love the looks and sound of
the A much more) I have a short strip and daughters that will be flying the
piet so its the Cont. for more power. I thought I understood that the long
fus. was to be used with the 65. Is this correct. You won't find me speaking
my oppinions a lot but i do enjoy reading all the post and learning from
them. Have a great Day. Steve Singleton Hale MO.
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall |
If, God forbid the worst happens and there is a fire, won't the
galvanizing burn off and make a poisonous gas? I remember WW saying
something about how bad the fumes were from his teaching of welding
days.
dennis Engelkenjohn
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From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and
firewall
You can use galvanized steel. (very cheap and proper) Regs say .016
or .018" , not sure, you have to check. Just can't be aluminum.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
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From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and
firewall
I am ready to start cutting some metal fittings and need the sheet
metal for my firewall as well. I have seen some different alloys
suggested for cutting the fittings from other than the one suggested in
the plan. What is the best option for the fittings? What would be the
proper guage of stainless for the firewall?
-Scott Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall |
In my opinion galvanized would be fine. If it gets hot enough to burn toxic fumes
(esspecially while in flight) from the galvaniszed steel firewall, all the
wood, and fabric from the nose to the stabilizer, ( Not to mention the soiled
britches) would be turining to ashes as the flames shot out of the cowling
and even if the wood held out, the fumes would be blowing on by.
Just my 2 cents
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall |
The idea of the firewall is to hold the direct fire from burning the wood and/or
going to the cabin, meantime the fire is out, given that the pilot shuts the
gas and the master switch off at the real beguining of fire (first smell),
Advise: Ffirst shut off then investigate the probably cause.
The firewall probably will hold the engine compartment fire time enough for the
plane to land and the pilot RUN out of it... Or when is only a little amount
of gasoline, burns off, in case of a faulty hose or broken gas tube, or broken
carburator leveler (sp?) (best scenario)
If the galvanized is burning fumes already... Real bad luck! The poor pilot is
already so burned that will not make it consious (or alive) to the crash land
zone, galvanized fumes or not.
The pilot has to be alert to stop the fire in the beguining.... Is like trying
to put a house fire off with a hand stinguisher... The hand stinguisher is to
open the way out as fast as possible of the burning buildimg. or to stop a
little beguining fire.
The cars get totaled when fire because two things: The gas tank is level with
the car and the gas keep driping out and making more fire, (No shut off valve
in cars) or the shorted electric cables keep burning until the BIG batery
in the car looses his charge (No Master Switch)...
Hope I am right... Better: Hope no one of us be ever in this cruel scenario!!!
God Bess Us.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Dennis Engelkenjohn <wingding@usmo.com> wrote: If, God forbid the worst happens
and there is a fire, won't the galvanizing burn off and make a poisonous
gas? I remember WW saying something about how bad the fumes were from his
teaching of welding days.
dennis Engelkenjohn
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall
You can use galvanized steel. (very cheap and proper) Regs say .016 or .018"
, not sure, you have to check. Just can't be aluminum.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall
I am ready to start cutting some metal fittings and need the sheet metal
for my firewall as well. I have seen some different alloys suggested
for cutting the fittings from other than the one suggested in the plan. What
is the best option for the fittings? What would be the proper guage of
stainless for the firewall?
-Scott Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: Brass radiator |
Forrest, I hope you are kidding, I have been after you for a radiator
for a loooong time.
Gene Rambo
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brass radiator
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| Subject: | Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! |
Sorry Mike, can't help you here. I was sitting out in the woods looking
for deer today, before dawn, 4 degrees.
Dick N.
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Winter does live in Ohio today !
Tim Hansen is right.....took this photo today at 6:45 am before
starting work:
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| Subject: | Today's Special! My old project is still for sale |
Hello guys (and others),
Just as a yearly reminder, I still have my old Piet project up for sale.
Just for the record, I didn't build it but I know the guy who did and it
seems like he did a pretty darn good job of building the thing. It's not
pretty like DJ's masterpiece but kind of functional-looking like an old
weathered cowboy.
It's mostly made of douglas fir and thus, the fuselage longerons are 3/4" x
3/4". Make of that what you will. I have attached a few pictures. As
you'll notice, the fuse is upside down in them but it can be turned right
side up when you build it.
As you are rotating it to an upright condition, however, you'll likely
notice that the side ply panels are somewhat, um... let's say delaminated.
That's because while I was moving it from Illinois to Florida on a trailer,
the weather gods decided to have their way with it. I'm calling it
'seasoned wood' but you'll probably want to replace the ply panels with
shiny new pretty stuff. Either that or go look in the ditch near the I-57
Exit at Marion Illinois. There you'll find the outer laminations and you
could glue them back on in a jiffy with a dab of Gorilla glue.
So as you can see from the photos, the project includes the fuse, tail
feathers and all wing ribs. I'm looking to get $300 for the whole thing.
Okay, stop it! I'll take $250 from one of you guys! Jeez, talk about
pressure!?
I live in Jacksonville Florida and sorry but at that price, I'll help you
load it up on your very own trailer but that's about it. Well I will give
you directions to that exit ramp ditch in Illinois too.
Let me know. Sorry for the sales pitch but I have a 150 and am starting a
Sonex project and am also still building my boat. In order to preserve at
least a little vestige of my marriage, this project has to go (did I mention
the VP-2 wing ribs in the attic?)
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Marginal topic |
One thing we know for sure. It ain't butter!
Clif
> <redsglass@hotmail.com>
>
> Marginal
>
> fringy: at or constituting a border or edge;
>
> borderline: of questionable or minimal quality; "borderline grades"; "
>
> hardscrabble: of a bare living gained by great labor; "the sharecropper's
> hardscrabble life";
>
> "a marginal existence"
>
> bare(a): just barely adequate or within a lower limit; "a bare majority";
> "a marginal victory"
>
> producing at a rate that barely covers production costs; "marginal
> industries";
>
> being close to a lower limit or or of lower class; "marginal abilities"
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall |
In a message dated 12/5/2006 6:09:59 PM Central Standard Time,
wingding@usmo.com writes:
If, God forbid the worst happens and there is a fire, won't the galvanizing
burn off and make a poisonous gas? I remember WW saying something about how bad
the fumes were from his teaching of welding days.
dennis Engelkenjohn
Dennis,
Although it is an acceptable material, that's a possibility that I hadn't
thought of. Might be the reason that most certified aircraft have Stainless
Steel firewalls (.016" - .018"). I've welded and braized on galvanized, and it
definitely puts off fumes (poisonous) that I felt in my throat. Just another
reason I would vote for a Stainless Steel firewall, backed up with FibreFax
material.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Fuse questions... |
Either the long or the short fuselage will work with the -65
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton@cvalley.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions...
> <slsingleton@cvalley.net>
>
> Hi everyone-I'm new on the list and have been enjoying the dialog for some
> time now. Needless to say i'm an airplane nut and have wanted to build a
> piet for some time now. I have my ribs made and most wood for the project
> except spars and longerons. By the way if anyone was planning to buy any
> spruce fom Paxtons in KC they have cut in half all there 16 18 and 20ft.
> boardes (per the new owner). I have a temporary table made for the fus.
> jig and have decided to go with a 65 ( even tho I love the looks and sound
> of the A much more) I have a short strip and daughters that will be flying
> the piet so its the Cont. for more power. I thought I understood that the
> long fus. was to be used with the 65. Is this correct. You won't find me
> speaking my oppinions a lot but i do enjoy reading all the post and
> learning from them. Have a great Day. Steve Singleton Hale MO.
>
>
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