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1. 03:58 AM - Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! ()
2. 04:02 AM - Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall ()
3. 04:03 AM - Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall "chkvalve? (Steve Glass)
4. 04:09 AM - Re: Marginal decal ()
5. 04:36 AM - Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! (Phillips, Jack)
6. 08:12 AM - New Hampshire Taildragger haven (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 10:17 AM - Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! (Dick Navratil)
8. 12:18 PM - My airplane just exploded (Scott Schreiber)
9. 01:00 PM - Re: My airplane just exploded (walt evans)
10. 01:02 PM - Re: My airplane just exploded (Hans Vander Voort)
11. 01:30 PM - Re: My airplane just exploded (Dave Abramson)
12. 01:37 PM - Re: Fuse questions... (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
13. 02:04 PM - Re: corvair wooden props (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
14. 02:27 PM - Re: My airplane just exploded (Scott Schreiber)
15. 02:45 PM - Re: Fuse questions... (FTLovley@aol.com)
16. 03:09 PM - Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall (Rcaprd@aol.com)
17. 03:18 PM - Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall "chkval... (Rcaprd@aol.com)
18. 04:05 PM - Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! (Ben Ramler)
19. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: corvair wooden props (DJ Vegh)
20. 04:36 PM - Re: Fuse questions... (Steve Singleton)
21. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: corvair wooden props (Rick Holland)
22. 07:56 PM - my airplane just exploded (Oscar Zuniga)
23. 08:19 PM - T-88 and urathane (Jeff Hill)
24. 09:39 PM - Wood varnish (Graham and Robyn)
25. 09:44 PM - Re: T-88 and urathane (Catdesigns)
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| Subject: | Winter does live in Ohio today ! |
It ain't cold yet but it will be!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: December 5, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Winter does live in Ohio today !
Sorry Mike, can't help you here. I was sitting out in the woods looking
for deer today, before dawn, 4 degrees.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
<mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Winter does live in Ohio today !
Tim Hansen is right.....took this photo today at 6:45 am before
starting work:
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| Subject: | Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall |
I don't see how a hand extinguisher is going to work anyway since as
soon as you reliese the extinguishing gas it will just blow back into
your face.I have a hand extinguisher in my aircraft and to be quite
frank,I think it is just excess baggage.Once stopped and on the ground
it may do some good providing the wind isn't blowing.
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall |
"chkvalve?
Some cars do now have a roll over valve to shut the gas off if the car
flips. Also it is a USCG requirement that a check valve be installed at the
tank on a gas engined boat. What is the drawback of a check valve on an
aviation engine. I understand that it is one other piece in the fuel system
that could cause a power loss but it would be a great safeguard in a crash.
I suppose the tank would rupture if the crash was severe enough and a
fuelcell could help that. I think I heard someone say planes are not built
to crash. What do you guys think?
>From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and
>firewall
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:45:18 -0800 (PST)
>
>The idea of the firewall is to hold the direct fire from burning the wood
>and/or going to the cabin, meantime the fire is out, given that the pilot
>shuts the gas and the master switch off at the real beguining of fire
>(first smell),
>Advise: Ffirst shut off then investigate the probably cause.
>The firewall probably will hold the engine compartment fire time enough for
>the plane to land and the pilot RUN out of it... Or when is only a little
>amount of gasoline, burns off, in case of a faulty hose or broken gas tube,
>or broken carburator leveler (sp?) (best scenario)
>
>If the galvanized is burning fumes already... Real bad luck! The poor
>pilot is already so burned that will not make it consious (or alive) to
>the crash land zone, galvanized fumes or not.
>
>The pilot has to be alert to stop the fire in the beguining.... Is like
>trying to put a house fire off with a hand stinguisher... The hand
>stinguisher is to open the way out as fast as possible of the burning
>buildimg. or to stop a little beguining fire.
>
>The cars get totaled when fire because two things: The gas tank is level
>with the car and the gas keep driping out and making more fire, (No shut
>off valve in cars) or the shorted electric cables keep burning until
>the BIG batery in the car looses his charge (No Master Switch)...
>
>Hope I am right... Better: Hope no one of us be ever in this cruel
>scenario!!!
>God Bess Us.
>
>Saludos
>Gary Gower.
>
>Dennis Engelkenjohn <wingding@usmo.com> wrote: If, God forbid the
>worst happens and there is a fire, won't the galvanizing burn off and make
>a poisonous gas? I remember WW saying something about how bad the fumes
>were from his teaching of welding days.
> dennis Engelkenjohn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: walt evans
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings
>and firewall
>
>
> You can use galvanized steel. (very cheap and proper) Regs say .016
>or .018" , not sure, you have to check. Just can't be aluminum.
> walt evans
>NX140DL
>
> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
>Ben Franklin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Schreiber
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:34 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings
>and firewall
>
>
> I am ready to start cutting some metal fittings and need the
>sheet metal for my firewall as well. I have seen some different alloys
>suggested for cutting the fittings from other than the one suggested
>in the plan. What is the best option for the fittings? What would be
>the proper guage of stainless for the firewall?
>
> -Scott Schreiber
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Thanks very much for the info Oscar.
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| Subject: | Winter does live in Ohio today ! |
Did you get one, Dick?
Jack in NC
Where the weather is warm but the deer are smaller
than in Minnesota
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:52 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Winter does live in Ohio today !
Sorry Mike, can't help you here. I was sitting out in the woods
looking for deer today, before dawn, 4 degrees.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
<mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Winter does live in Ohio today
!
Tim Hansen is right.....took this photo today at 6:45 am
before starting work:
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| Subject: | New Hampshire Taildragger haven |
Guys-- my mother-in-law Gayle brought me back a sweatshirt from this
airport cafe on her recent trip up there to see her son and
his family. She said that I would really love this airstrip so I did a
little searching. It sounds like an IDEAL place to learn to fly
and they start you off in TAILDRAGGERS. Tooooo cooool. If you have
2.5 million, the place is for sale, by the way. No Wal Mart
need apply---the guy ain't sellin' to developers !!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! |
MessageNot yet. Weather has been pretty screwed up but now there is
some snow up there. I'll be back out on Fri morning. It's muzzleloader
season, so there aren't a lot of hunters out. I've seen eagles, wolves
and foxes, but the deer are really sneaky.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Winter does live in Ohio today !
Did you get one, Dick?
Jack in NC
Where the weather is warm but the deer are smaller
than in Minnesota
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:52 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Winter does live in Ohio today !
Sorry Mike, can't help you here. I was sitting out in the woods
looking for deer today, before dawn, 4 degrees.
Dick N.
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Winter does live in Ohio today !
Tim Hansen is right.....took this photo today at 6:45 am before
starting work:
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| Subject: | My airplane just exploded |
Really no other way to put it. I had about 2/3 of my crossmembers
completed and I was cutting the extra length from the lengerons in
preperation to put it on it's back again to start installing the floor.
As I was moving it I heard that sound like you hear in the movies when
someone is standing on a fozen lake and it starts to crack. Then it
opened up like a fucking zipper and I was standing there with two fuse
halves in my hands that were still joined at the tail with one or two
crossmembers still hanging from one side or another. It appears that the
glue joints (T88 epoxy) did no fail but the wood itself was torn off. I
really don't know where to head at this point. I am worried about being
able to reglue the joints, if that is safe or not. If I can't, I am not
to excited about throwing away that much money and time to try again.
Aftermath: http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/split1.jpg
Glue joint failures: http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/split2.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: My airplane just exploded |
Don't think it's the end of the world. Should be able to clean the glue
up smooth and reglue.
Think you relied on the butt joints too much. You have to have all the
gussets you can on. The gussets are the real tension strength
walt evans
NX140DL
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----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My airplane just exploded
Really no other way to put it. I had about 2/3 of my crossmembers
completed and I was cutting the extra length from the lengerons in
preperation to put it on it's back again to start installing the floor.
As I was moving it I heard that sound like you hear in the movies when
someone is standing on a fozen lake and it starts to crack. Then it
opened up like a fucking zipper and I was standing there with two fuse
halves in my hands that were still joined at the tail with one or two
crossmembers still hanging from one side or another. It appears that the
glue joints (T88 epoxy) did no fail but the wood itself was torn off. I
really don't know where to head at this point. I am worried about being
able to reglue the joints, if that is safe or not. If I can't, I am not
to excited about throwing away that much money and time to try again.
Aftermath: http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/split1.jpg
Glue joint failures: http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/split2.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: My airplane just exploded |
Scott,
Yeah, that sucks,
Clear proof that those but joints are not enough, they are there for
compression only.
For that reason I would sand off the epoxy and re-use them.
Then before you move the fuse or remove any clamps, glue the two ply boards
in place that fit under the cowling ( 9 x 24 and 7 x 24 If I recall
correctly)
They work as a large gusset and are there for this purpose.
Plus glue the ply firewall in place.
It never hurts to leave a large clamp in pace until you have that other
large gusset (the floor) glued in, anyway
Hans
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Really no other way to put it. I had about 2/3 of my crossmembers completed
and I was cutting the extra length from the lengerons in preperation to put
it on it's back again to start installing the floor. As I was moving it I
heard that sound like you hear in the movies when someone is standing on a
fozen lake and it starts to crack. Then it opened up like a fucking zipper
and I was standing there with two fuse halves in my hands that were still
joined at the tail with one or two crossmembers still hanging from one side
or another. It appears that the glue joints (T88 epoxy) did no fail but the
wood itself was torn off. I really don't know where to head at this point.
I am worried about being able to reglue the joints, if that is safe or not.
If I can't, I am not to excited about throwing away that much money and
time to try again.
Aftermath: http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/split1.jpg
Glue joint failures: http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/split2.jpg
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| Subject: | My airplane just exploded |
You need the gussets to hold it together.. I kept both ends of my fuselage
clamped until the floor, bottom gussets, top gussets, and front shelf was
installed. (and allowed to dry for a couple days) Just sand , reglue clamp
and GUSSET.
No worries!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My airplane just exploded
Really no other way to put it. I had about 2/3 of my crossmembers completed
and I was cutting the extra length from the lengerons in preperation to put
it on it's back again to start installing the floor. As I was moving it I
heard that sound like you hear in the movies when someone is standing on a
fozen lake and it starts to crack. Then it opened up like a fucking zipper
and I was standing there with two fuse halves in my hands that were still
joined at the tail with one or two crossmembers still hanging from one side
or another. It appears that the glue joints (T88 epoxy) did no fail but the
wood itself was torn off. I really don't know where to head at this point. I
am worried about being able to reglue the joints, if that is safe or not. If
I can't, I am not to excited about throwing away that much money and time to
try again.
Aftermath: http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/split1.jpg
Glue joint failures: http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/split2.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Fuse questions... |
You may want to consider the longer fuselage for two reasons, 1) you can
always put on a larger heavier motor at some later date and still not have
too many problems keeping the weight within the cg envelope, 2) Rudder
petal dancin', the longer the fuselage the easier to keep control during
landings. If you've ever watched a shorty fuselage Pitts guy land hot, you
can see the pilot dancing on the rudder to keep it on straight and narrow,
the plane wiggles it's tail like a minnow. For many early landings with
your niffty new Piete, you'll be doing the petal dance like never before,
even with a long fuselage.
Gordon Bowen
Original Message:
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From: Catdesigns catdesigns@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions...
Either the long or the short fuselage will work with the -65
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton@cvalley.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions...
> <slsingleton@cvalley.net>
>
> Hi everyone-I'm new on the list and have been enjoying the dialog for
some
> time now. Needless to say i'm an airplane nut and have wanted to build a
> piet for some time now. I have my ribs made and most wood for the project
> except spars and longerons. By the way if anyone was planning to buy any
> spruce fom Paxtons in KC they have cut in half all there 16 18 and 20ft.
> boardes (per the new owner). I have a temporary table made for the fus.
> jig and have decided to go with a 65 ( even tho I love the looks and
sound
> of the A much more) I have a short strip and daughters that will be
flying
> the piet so its the Cont. for more power. I thought I understood that the
> long fus. was to be used with the 65. Is this correct. You won't find me
> speaking my oppinions a lot but i do enjoy reading all the post and
> learning from them. Have a great Day. Steve Singleton Hale MO.
>
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| Subject: | re: corvair wooden props |
I am building a Corvair powered short fuselage Piet.
I would like to know what prop length,pitch,prop manufacturer you used or
did you carve your own.
I would also like to know wheather you used WW complete conversion,partial
conversion or did you go the Bernie Pietenpol conversion.
Ted Stone
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| Subject: | Re: My airplane just exploded |
I had full side gussets on, but no top and bottom gussets. While I have
for a long time, and still do, understand the gusset, I didn't expect
that they wouldn't withstand simple handeling. So, let my bad day be a
lesson to others not to move the structure without gussets!
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Abramson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: My airplane just exploded
You need the gussets to hold it together... I kept both ends of my
fuselage clamped until the floor, bottom gussets, top gussets, and front
shelf was installed. (and allowed to dry for a couple days) Just sand ,
reglue clamp and GUSSET.
No worries!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:17 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My airplane just exploded
Really no other way to put it. I had about 2/3 of my crossmembers
completed and I was cutting the extra length from the lengerons in
preperation to put it on it's back again to start installing the floor.
As I was moving it I heard that sound like you hear in the movies when
someone is standing on a fozen lake and it starts to crack. Then it
opened up like a fucking zipper and I was standing there with two fuse
halves in my hands that were still joined at the tail with one or two
crossmembers still hanging from one side or another. It appears that the
glue joints (T88 epoxy) did no fail but the wood itself was torn off. I
really don't know where to head at this point. I am worried about being
able to reglue the joints, if that is safe or not. If I can't, I am not
to excited about throwing away that much money and time to try again.
Aftermath: http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/split1.jpg
Glue joint failures: http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/split2.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Fuse questions... |
In reading Mr Bowen's advice about the longer fuse (which I agree with) I am
reminded of the advice Steve Wittman gave me when I was 19 years old and about
to fly my first short fuse Pitts powered with the 180 Lyc...he said "when you
cross the fence on landing, make absolutely sure that you are going straight
ahead...then don't f--- with it..!!"
Forrest Lovley - - 41 years later
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall |
In a message dated 12/6/2006 6:04:25 AM Central Standard Time,
harvey.rule@bell.ca writes:
I don=99t see how a hand extinguisher is going to work anyway since as
soon as
you reliese the extinguishing gas it will just blow back into your face.I ha
ve
a hand extinguisher in my aircraft and to be quite frank,I think it is just
excess baggage.Once stopped and on the ground it may do some good providing
the
wind isn=99t blowing.
I have a small fire extinguisher in my cockpit, next to my left hip. It is
there in case I am on fire...forget about trying to put out the burning plan
e
with it.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal suggestions for fittings and firewall |
"chkval...
In a message dated 12/6/2006 6:05:34 AM Central Standard Time,
redsglass@hotmail.com writes:
What is the drawback of a check valve on an
aviation engine. I understand that it is one other piece in the fuel system
that could cause a power loss but it would be a great safeguard in a crash.
I suppose the tank would rupture if the crash was severe enough and a
fuelcell could help that. I think I heard someone say planes are not built
to crash. What do you guys think?
Forget about the check valve in the fuel line of an aircraft. The vast
majority of engine failures are fuel related...no sense adding another piece that
could cause the big fan to stop turning..."If it ain't there, it can't break".
Build your plane light, with quality construction and maintenance. In other
words - build it Airworthy, not Crashworthy.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Winter does live in Ohio today ! |
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| Subject: | Re: re: corvair wooden props |
mine with 'Vair power has a Tennessee 66x29 but I would get a 66x31 of I
were to do it over again.
----- Original Message -----
From: TGSTONE236@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: corvair wooden props
I am building a Corvair powered short fuselage Piet.
I would like to know what prop length,pitch,prop manufacturer you used
or did you carve your own.
I would also like to know wheather you used WW complete
conversion,partial conversion or did you go the Bernie Pietenpol
conversion.
Ted Stone
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| Subject: | Re: Fuse questions... |
Looks like i'll be building the long fus. Thanks. Steve Singleton
----- Original Message -----
From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse questions...
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> You may want to consider the longer fuselage for two reasons, 1) you can
> always put on a larger heavier motor at some later date and still not have
> too many problems keeping the weight within the cg envelope, 2) Rudder
> petal dancin', the longer the fuselage the easier to keep control during
> landings. If
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| Subject: | Re: re: corvair wooden props |
Am building a long fuselage Piet with a Corvair. Am building the engine to
WW's specs using most all the parts he sells. Also sent my heads to Falcon
for rebuilding. Total cost should be around $5500. Some say a WW spec
Corvair should produce 20-30 HP more than an original conversion with a
stock fan, cam, etc.
Rick
On 12/6/06, TGSTONE236@aol.com <TGSTONE236@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I am building a Corvair powered short fuselage Piet.
>
> I would like to know what prop length,pitch,prop manufacturer you used or
> did you carve your own.
>
> I would also like to know wheather you used WW complete conversion,partial
> conversion or did you go the Bernie Pietenpol conversion.
>
> Ted Stone
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | my airplane just exploded |
Scott;
I can't tell you how many of those moments I've had in the 10 or so years
that I've actually been building an airplane or working on one, but you
quickly cycle through various emotions... torch the whole thing; run your
chainsaw through it all; sell it and do something else; pull out your hair
(unless you're bald); throw that can of @#$%& glue in the trash; and so
forth. It is a sinking, despairing feeling usually followed by drinking
something strong and following it up by drinking something stronger.
It's the same feeling you get when you melt a big piece of plexiglass that
should have been a canopy, or you cut a hole that's too big in something you
just covered, or you drop something and break it, or you scratch something
you just painted, or you step through a fabric covering, or you drop a nut
or screw into a place where it can never be retrieved, or any of a number of
other things. What I've found is the best thing to do is leave the shop,
turn off the lights, and go have a drink. In a day, or two or three, go
back in and survey the damage and figure out what you did wrong. Reworking
the damage is painful and it's OK to mumble under your breath as you do it,
but just remember that hundreds (thousands?) of these airplanes are out
there flying and they were all built just like yours is... in a garage, or
hangar, or workshop, by ordinary people with ordinary skills. And there is
not a single builder out there -NOT ONE- who has started and finished his
project without having a "my airplane just exploded" moment at some stage in
the construction.
You can do it. But if you decide to throw in the towel, give me your
address and I'll be happy to go pick up your entire pile of wood and stuff
instead of having you make a bonfire with it ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | T-88 and urathane |
I used urethane glue for the semicircular laminated support for the rear si
de of the inst. panels and it worked great. But I do have a question to put
out there for T88. I have a container of opened but barely used T88 resin
that was purchased just a few months ago. Except for the top 1/8" the entir
e volume of the resin has gone solid and milky and I have no idea why. If s
omething was to solidify, I would have expected it to be the hardener. Has
anybody else seen this?
Jeff Hill in North Texas - all woodwork done, now working on cockpit meta
l stuff (and the rebuild of a Stearman, don't ask)
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Any comments on wood varnish, does it have to be two pack?
Thanks Graham Hewitt
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| Subject: | Re: T-88 and urathane |
Jeff did it got cold in Texas? I recall reading in the instructions
that this can happen. What I think you need to do is heat the resin.
Check out the instructions or web page to see how hot to get it.
System three's website,
The Part A resin has hardened and turned white. Can I still
use it?
Yes. The white solid or haziness is a mass of resin crystals.
Crystallized resin will not cure properly. These can be melted by
heating the container to 120=B0F. The resin will clear up and be
as good as new.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Hill
To: Pietenpol pietlist
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 and urathane
I used urethane glue for the semicircular laminated support for the
rear side of the inst. panels and it worked great. But I do have a
question to put out there for T88. I have a container of opened but
barely used T88 resin that was purchased just a few months ago. Except
for the top 1/8" the entire volume of the resin has gone solid and milky
and I have no idea why. If something was to solidify, I would have
expected it to be the hardener. Has anybody else seen this?
Jeff Hill in North Texas - all woodwork done, now working on cockpit
metal stuff (and the rebuild of a Stearman, don't ask)
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