---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/07/06: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:48 AM - Re: Wood varnish (Peter W Johnson) 2. 02:32 AM - Re: T-88 and urathane (HelsperSew@aol.com) 3. 03:09 AM - Re: T-88 and urathane (Jack T. Textor) 4. 05:31 AM - Re: Re: corvair wooden props (Hans Vander Voort) 5. 06:13 AM - Re: Wood varnish (Bill Church) 6. 07:15 AM - T-88 (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 07:27 AM - Re: T-88 () 8. 11:10 AM - Re: Wood varnish () 9. 12:09 PM - T-88 (Oscar Zuniga) 10. 01:31 PM - Re: T-88 (Graham Hansen) 11. 04:46 PM - Re: T-88 (shad bell) 12. 05:04 PM - (dslane@logical.net) 13. 05:08 PM - bungee cord (dslane@logical.net) 14. 07:18 PM - Re: bungee cord (Dick Navratil) 15. 10:34 PM - Weight and Balance (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:48 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish Graham, You need something that will work with the covering system. I used poly fibre to cover so I used Wattyl Estapol for the varnish. Seems to be MEK resistant. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham and Robyn Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 5:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish Any comments on wood varnish, does it have to be two pack? Thanks Graham Hewitt "http://www.aeroelectric.com"www.aeroelectric.com "http://www.buildersbooks.com"www.buildersbooks.com "http://www.kitlog.com"www.kitlog.com "http://www.homebuilthelp.com"www.homebuilthelp.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribution "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Pietenpol-List 4:39 PM -- 4:39 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:20 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 and urathane Jeff, This happened to me also. Just heat it up gently with a heat gun and it goes back to normal. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:37 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 and urathane From: "Jack T. Textor" Happens to me also, I heat in a pan of warm water. Jack Textor www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: re: corvair wooden props From: Hans Vander Voort Ted, Long fuse, full WW conversion but with Zenith carburetor Tennessee prop 64 x 34 Hans NX 15KV ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish From: "Bill Church" No, I'm pretty sure you can buy it one can at a time... Sorry, I couldn't resist. once again, DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham and Robyn Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish Any comments on wood varnish, does it have to be two pack? Thanks Graham Hewitt ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:21 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 I put it in the microwave and that works great to "un-crystallize", with the caution that you don't want to overheat it. If you do, the liquid is so runny that it becomes difficult to meter it out. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 From: Just a question;wouldn't the microwave cause the glue to change it's molecular properties and the glue change in such a way that it wouldn't have the same power.Just wondering here. Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: December 7, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 I put it in the microwave and that works great to "un-crystallize", with the caution that you don't want to overheat it. If you do, the liquid is so runny that it becomes difficult to meter it out. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:41 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish From: Two pack;wasn't he a (wrapper)rapper?(;-ooooooooH Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: December 7, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish No, I'm pretty sure you can buy it one can at a time... Sorry, I couldn't resist. once again, DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham and Robyn Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish Any comments on wood varnish, does it have to be two pack? Thanks Graham Hewitt ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:01 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 Harvey; as far as I know, there is no chemical change happening when I microwave the epoxy component that has crystallized. The microwave energy only acts to heat up the material just like it does to a soy burger when you pop it in and beep it. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId00,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata 0601&tcode=wlmtagline ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:55 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 Group, It doesn't seem to affect the T-88 resin (the white stuff) when it is heated to return it to a liquid state. I have some T-88 I bought back in the 1980's, and I have re-heated the resin perhaps ten times since then. For some time I have used it for non-aircraft applications and would not hesitate to use it on aircraft because it has always proved to be reliable when joining both hard and soft woods used in other projects. Granulation of the resin component is very similar to what can happen to honey after a time, and it can be liquified in exactly the same way: by heating the container. (I'd be a bit hesitant about using the microwave for this and have always placed the container in a pot of hot water.) Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:49 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 About the heating of t-88..I remember reading that somewhere in some literature that came with the glue, on the box or somewhere, but it WAS from the manufacturer. The newest batch I ordered didn't have that info with it, or I droped the pamphlet somewhere. But it stated "May crystalize below 40deg F. .......It is harmless and can be heated in a pot of hot water to get rid of the haziness......" Any way it worked good for me, I just used hot tap water, in a 2 Qt butter tub and let it sit in there for 20 min or so. I don't claim to be an expert, but, I would NOT use a microwave oven for this task. I have seen guys at work (for the airlines) put pro-seal (a 2 part sealant) in the microwave to heat it for a faster cure time, and some times it will bake the sealant hard as a rock in 10 seconds, with out even mixing in the catalyst. And the real bad thing is if and when the pressure builds up inside the bottles of glue they will explode all over the inside of your microwave (unless you take the lid off), rendering it useless for cooking food, as epoxy is very poisionous, hard to clean thuroughly ,and does't taste very good on popcorn. Just remember to bring that glue in side for the winter. My 1 1/2 cents Shad --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:49 PM PST US From: dslane@logical.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:50 PM PST US From: dslane@logical.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee cord Hi, I am new to this forum and am building a pietenpol in NC. It has the original jenny type landing gear. I need advice on what size bungee cord and how much to order. Also, how many turns to take around the axle. I also would like information about weight and balance limits on the airplane. Don Lane ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:14 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bungee cord Don Order 25 ft of 1/2" bungee. That will give you more than enough for both sides. You will need 4 wraps and you will have to play with it to give the right tension. Don't cut off the excess till you are really sure it's on for the last time. Having extra cord will save the back of the person doing the pulling. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee cord > > Hi, > I am new to this forum and am building a pietenpol in NC. It has the > original jenny type landing gear. I need advice on what size bungee cord > and how much to order. Also, how many turns to take around the axle. I > also would like information about weight and balance limits on the > airplane. > Don Lane > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:53 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight and Balance In a message dated 12/7/2006 7:10:24 PM Central Standard Time, dslane@logical.net writes: I also would like information about weight and balance limits on the airplane. Don, You probably already realize that weight and balance is a term relative to the where the weight balances within the wing chord. Bernard Pietenpol said it should be between 1/4 and 1/3 of the wing chord. The chord is 60", therefore, the limits are between 15" and 20" behind the leading edge of the wing. I have all the loading configurations for my airplane listed on at the bottom of this page of my web site: http://nx770cg.com/OperationsManual.html Chuck G. 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