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1. 12:21 AM - Re: T-88 (Clif Dawson)
2. 12:24 AM - Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle)
3. 12:29 AM - CG-whats the sweet spot (JR)
4. 04:28 AM - Re: T-88 ()
5. 04:33 AM - Re: T-88 ()
6. 05:43 AM - Re: bungee cord (Phillips, Jack)
7. 06:04 AM - Re: CG-whats the sweet spot (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
8. 06:38 AM - Re: CG-whats the sweet spot (Jeff Boatright)
9. 06:45 AM - Re: CG-whats the sweet spot (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
10. 06:47 AM - Re: CG-whats the sweet spot (Phillips, Jack)
11. 07:07 AM - Re: CG-whats the sweet spot (Phillips, Jack)
12. 11:47 AM - Jack- you think you're old? (off topic) (Oscar Zuniga)
13. 12:39 PM - Jack- you think you're old? II (Oscar Zuniga)
14. 12:58 PM - Re: Jack- you think you're old? II (Phillips, Jack)
15. 01:07 PM - t-38 (shad bell)
16. 01:09 PM - T-38 Talon (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
17. 01:16 PM - Re varnish (Graham and Robyn)
18. 01:16 PM - fl ying from Oshkosh to Brodhead (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
19. 01:19 PM - Re: T-38 Talon (Phillips, Jack)
20. 02:37 PM - T88 (Jeff Hill)
21. 02:46 PM - Re: T-38 Talon (Jeff Boatright)
22. 08:29 PM - Re: Jack- you think you're old? II (James Dallas)
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Yes, I would second that. Don't use a microwave. It heats
the material internaly as opposed to an oven or pot of
water. It is also heating rapidly and if the heated material
cannot circulate itself fast enough due to high viscosity
then a hotspot can develop and rapidly overheat and
creat a gas bubble that can explode the still liquid material
around it outwards. If you're lucky this will happen BEFORE
you reach in to take the container out! Even water can be
made to do this. 999 times out of a thousand that cup of tea
you are reheating will be fine but there have been times
when that water has been superheated and still liquid only
to rapidly bubble into steam and boiling water all over the
hand just reaching in to pick the cup up. I can attest that this
is NOT funny.
Clif
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From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88
About the heating of t-88..I remember reading that somewhere in some
literature that came with the glue, on the box or somewhere, but it WAS
from the manufacturer. The newest batch I ordered didn't have that info
with it, or I droped the pamphlet somewhere. But it stated "May
crystalize below 40deg F. .......It is harmless and can be heated in a
pot of hot water to get rid of the haziness......" Any way it worked
good for me, I just used hot tap water, in a 2 Qt butter tub and let it
sit in there for 20 min or so. I don't claim to be an expert, but, I
would NOT use a microwave oven for this task. I have seen guys at work
(for the airlines) put pro-seal (a 2 part sealant) in the microwave to
heat it for a faster cure time, and some times it will bake the sealant
hard as a rock in 10 seconds, with out even mixing in the catalyst. And
the real bad thing is if and when the pressure builds up inside the
bottles of glue they will explode all over the inside of your microwave
(unless you take the lid off), rendering it useless for cooking food, as
epoxy is very poisionous, hard to clean thuroughly ,and does't taste
very good on popcorn. Just remember to bring that glue in side for the
winter.
My 1 1/2 cents
Shad
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Subject: | Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors |
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Subject: | CG-whats the sweet spot |
Is there any type of consensus that the Pietenpol fly's better with the CG
closer to the 15"mark or 20"mark behind the leading edge of the wing?
I believe the mini-max drivers like their CG right near the aft of its
published limit.
John Rocca
Professional Aerial Photographer
AngelWingsAviation.com
Cell: 412-445-5995
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1. 01:48 AM - Re: Wood varnish (Peter W Johnson)
2. 02:32 AM - Re: T-88 and urathane (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 03:09 AM - Re: T-88 and urathane (Jack T. Textor)
4. 05:31 AM - Re: Re: corvair wooden props (Hans Vander Voort)
5. 06:13 AM - Re: Wood varnish (Bill Church)
6. 07:15 AM - T-88 (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 07:27 AM - Re: T-88 ()
8. 11:10 AM - Re: Wood varnish ()
9. 12:09 PM - T-88 (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 01:31 PM - Re: T-88 (Graham Hansen)
11. 04:46 PM - Re: T-88 (shad bell)
12. 05:04 PM - (dslane@logical.net)
13. 05:08 PM - bungee cord (dslane@logical.net)
14. 07:18 PM - Re: bungee cord (Dick Navratil)
15. 10:34 PM - Weight and Balance (Rcaprd@aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 01:48:48 AM PST US
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
Graham,
You need something that will work with the covering system. I used poly
fibre to cover so I used Wattyl Estapol for the varnish. Seems to be MEK
resistant.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham and
Robyn
Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 5:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
Any comments on wood varnish, does it have to be two pack?
Thanks Graham Hewitt
"http://www.aeroelectric.com"www.aeroelectric.com
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Time: 02:32:20 AM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 and urathane
Jeff,
This happened to me also. Just heat it up gently with a heat gun and it
goes
back to normal.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 03:09:37 AM PST US
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 and urathane
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
Happens to me also, I heat in a pan of warm water.
Jack Textor
www.textors.com
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 05:31:16 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: re: corvair wooden props
From: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
Ted,
Long fuse, full WW conversion but with Zenith carburetor
Tennessee prop 64 x 34
Hans
NX 15KV
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 06:13:52 AM PST US
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
No, I'm pretty sure you can buy it one can at a time...
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
once again, DO NOT ARCHIVE
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
and Robyn
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
Any comments on wood varnish, does it have to be two pack?
Thanks Graham Hewitt
________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 07:15:21 AM PST US
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88
I put it in the microwave and that works great to "un-crystallize", with the
caution that you don't want to overheat it. If you do, the liquid is so
runny that it becomes difficult to meter it out.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88
From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Just a question;wouldn't the microwave cause the glue to change it's
molecular properties and the glue change in such a way that it wouldn't
have the same power.Just wondering here.
Do not archive.
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Zuniga
Sent: December 7, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
I put it in the microwave and that works great to "un-crystallize", with
the
caution that you don't want to overheat it. If you do, the liquid is so
runny that it becomes difficult to meter it out.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Two pack;wasn't he a (wrapper)rapper?(;-ooooooooH
Do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: December 7, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
No, I'm pretty sure you can buy it one can at a time...
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
once again, DO NOT ARCHIVE
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
and Robyn
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
Any comments on wood varnish, does it have to be two pack?
Thanks Graham Hewitt
________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 12:09:01 PM PST US
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88
Harvey; as far as I know, there is no chemical change happening when I
microwave the epoxy component that has crystallized. The microwave energy
only acts to heat up the material just like it does to a soy burger when you
pop it in and beep it.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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Time: 01:31:55 PM PST US
From: "Graham Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88
Group,
It doesn't seem to affect the T-88 resin (the white stuff)
when it is heated to return it to a liquid state. I have some T-88 I bought
back in the 1980's, and I have re-heated the resin perhaps ten times since
then. For some time I have used it for non-aircraft applications and would
not hesitate to use it on aircraft because it has always proved to be
reliable when joining both hard and soft woods used in other projects.
Granulation of the resin component is very similar to what can happen to
honey after a time, and it can be liquified in exactly the same way: by
heating the container. (I'd be a bit hesitant about using the microwave for
this and have always placed the container in a pot of hot water.)
Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta
________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
Time: 04:46:49 PM PST US
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88
About the heating of t-88..I remember reading that somewhere in some
literature
that came with the glue, on the box or somewhere, but it WAS from the
manufacturer.
The newest batch I ordered didn't have that info with it, or I droped
the pamphlet somewhere. But it stated "May crystalize below 40deg F.
.......It
is harmless and can be heated in a pot of hot water to get rid of the
haziness......"
Any way it worked good for me, I just used hot tap water, in a 2
Qt butter tub and let it sit in there for 20 min or so. I don't claim to be
an
expert, but, I would NOT use a microwave oven for this task. I have seen
guys
at work (for the airlines) put pro-seal (a 2 part sealant) in the microwave
to heat it for a faster cure time, and some times it will bake the sealant
hard
as a rock in 10 seconds, with out even mixing in the catalyst. And the real
bad thing is if and when the pressure builds up inside the bottles of glue
they will explode all over the inside of your
microwave (unless you take the lid off), rendering it useless for cooking
food,
as epoxy is very poisionous, hard to clean thuroughly ,and does't taste very
good on popcorn. Just remember to bring that glue in side for the winter.
My 1 1/2 cents
Shad
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________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
Time: 05:04:49 PM PST US
From: dslane@logical.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List:
________________________________ Message 13
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Time: 05:08:50 PM PST US
From: dslane@logical.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee cord
Hi,
I am new to this forum and am building a pietenpol in NC. It has the
original jenny type landing gear. I need advice on what size bungee
cord and how much to order. Also, how many turns to take around the
axle. I also would like information about weight and balance limits
on the airplane.
Don Lane
________________________________ Message 14
____________________________________
Time: 07:18:14 PM PST US
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bungee cord
Don
Order 25 ft of 1/2" bungee. That will give you more than enough for both
sides. You will need 4 wraps and you will have to play with it to give the
right tension. Don't cut off the excess till you are really sure it's on
for the last time. Having extra cord will save the back of the person doing
the pulling.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: <dslane@logical.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee cord
>
> Hi,
> I am new to this forum and am building a pietenpol in NC. It has the
> original jenny type landing gear. I need advice on what size bungee cord
> and how much to order. Also, how many turns to take around the axle. I
> also would like information about weight and balance limits on the
> airplane.
> Don Lane
>
>
>
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Time: 10:34:53 PM PST US
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight and Balance
In a message dated 12/7/2006 7:10:24 PM Central Standard Time,
dslane@logical.net writes:
I also would like information about weight and balance limits
on the airplane.
Don,
You probably already realize that weight and balance is a term relative to
the where the weight balances within the wing chord. Bernard Pietenpol said
it
should be between 1/4 and 1/3 of the wing chord. The chord is 60",
therefore,
the limits are between 15" and 20" behind the leading edge of the wing. I
have all the loading configurations for my airplane listed on at the bottom
of
this page of my web site:
http://nx770cg.com/OperationsManual.html
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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I was referring to when heated in the microwave.I know you can reheat it
but doesn't the microwave change the molecular properties?I'm no
scientist but I am an electronics technologist and I have a working
knowledge of how the microwave functions.It isn't very different to how
a radar station works.Magnitron,klystron mode etc.,very high freq.,so
high that it won't run inside a wire.It uses a wave guide or in long
wave it can use a cable.Been a long time since I actually worked on one
but the microwave is just a miniature model of the radar
transmitters.The thing I remember most was DON'T TOUCH THE KIPP RELAY or
you won't live to tell about it.The microwave cooks from the inside
out,not the outside in and it's very difficult to tell what's going on
until it's too late.It also cooks in a pattern.That's why the old ones
never cooked properly till they put in the rotating dish that gives more
of an even overall spread of the microwaves.I find most food cooked in
it doesn't taste right(thus the molecular change I'm reffering to).With
most things it will remove the water very quickly and leave you with a
dried up piece of whatever.Not very appetizing.Who knows what it's doing
to the glue?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Hansen
Sent: December 7, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88
<ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Group,
It doesn't seem to affect the T-88 resin (the white stuff)
when it is heated to return it to a liquid state. I have some T-88 I
bought
back in the 1980's, and I have re-heated the resin perhaps ten times
since
then. For some time I have used it for non-aircraft applications and
would
not hesitate to use it on aircraft because it has always proved to be
reliable when joining both hard and soft woods used in other projects.
Granulation of the resin component is very similar to what can happen to
honey after a time, and it can be liquified in exactly the same way: by
heating the container. (I'd be a bit hesitant about using the microwave
for
this and have always placed the container in a pot of hot water.)
Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta
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It might be interesting to run a test of the glue function before and
after microwaving it.I don't have any or I would try it.Stress factors
etc.It may not appear to have made any change.Like I said in a previous
letter,I'm no scientist but I would be interested in seeing the data on
this.In the mean time don't fly through any radar waves (;o HAHAHAHA!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: December 7, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
Harvey; as far as I know, there is no chemical change happening when I
microwave the epoxy component that has crystallized. The microwave
energy
only acts to heat up the material just like it does to a soy burger when
you
pop it in and beep it.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Hi Don,
Where in NC are you? My Pietenpol is based at Cox Field, in Apex NC,
just southwest of Raleigh (about 6 miles south of RDU airport)
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee cord
Hi,
I am new to this forum and am building a pietenpol in NC. It has the
original jenny type landing gear. I need advice on what size bungee
cord and how much to order. Also, how many turns to take around the
axle. I also would like information about weight and balance limits
on the airplane.
Don Lane
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Subject: | CG-whats the sweet spot |
John,
It's dangerous to hang out at the aft cg envelope limit of any airfoil. A
tail heavy flat stall spin is not recoverable, unless you crawl out of the
back seat into the front during the spin, good luck with that. Especially
during early trials of a new experimental, you should be near the front CG,
that way as you burn off fuel you move back in CG but never come close to
the aft CG. Heck this is a low and slow plane, it's designed to go stable
and pokey over the scenery for the pure fun of flying. Any thing over 70
mph, your hair even hurts after a 1 hr flight, so slow down and enjoy.
Gordon
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From: JR rocca@adelphia.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG-whats the sweet spot
Is there any type of consensus that the Pietenpol fly's better with the CG
closer to the 15"mark or 20"mark behind the leading edge of the wing?
I believe the mini-max drivers like their CG right near the aft of its
published limit.
John Rocca
Professional Aerial Photographer
AngelWingsAviation.com
Cell: 412-445-5995
Office: 412-835-5292
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1. 01:48 AM - Re: Wood varnish (Peter W Johnson)
2. 02:32 AM - Re: T-88 and urathane (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 03:09 AM - Re: T-88 and urathane (Jack T. Textor)
4. 05:31 AM - Re: Re: corvair wooden props (Hans Vander Voort)
5. 06:13 AM - Re: Wood varnish (Bill Church)
6. 07:15 AM - T-88 (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 07:27 AM - Re: T-88 ()
8. 11:10 AM - Re: Wood varnish ()
9. 12:09 PM - T-88 (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 01:31 PM - Re: T-88 (Graham Hansen)
11. 04:46 PM - Re: T-88 (shad bell)
12. 05:04 PM - (dslane@logical.net)
13. 05:08 PM - bungee cord (dslane@logical.net)
14. 07:18 PM - Re: bungee cord (Dick Navratil)
15. 10:34 PM - Weight and Balance (Rcaprd@aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 01:48:48 AM PST US
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
Graham,
You need something that will work with the covering system. I used poly
fibre to cover so I used Wattyl Estapol for the varnish. Seems to be MEK
resistant.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham and
Robyn
Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 5:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
Any comments on wood varnish, does it have to be two pack?
Thanks Graham Hewitt
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Time: 02:32:20 AM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 and urathane
Jeff,
This happened to me also. Just heat it up gently with a heat gun and it
goes
back to normal.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Time: 03:09:37 AM PST US
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 and urathane
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
Happens to me also, I heat in a pan of warm water.
Jack Textor
www.textors.com
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Time: 05:31:16 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: re: corvair wooden props
From: Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
Ted,
Long fuse, full WW conversion but with Zenith carburetor
Tennessee prop 64 x 34
Hans
NX 15KV
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 06:13:52 AM PST US
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
No, I'm pretty sure you can buy it one can at a time...
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
once again, DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
and Robyn
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
Any comments on wood varnish, does it have to be two pack?
Thanks Graham Hewitt
________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 07:15:21 AM PST US
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88
I put it in the microwave and that works great to "un-crystallize", with the
caution that you don't want to overheat it. If you do, the liquid is so
runny that it becomes difficult to meter it out.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Time: 07:27:18 AM PST US
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88
From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Just a question;wouldn't the microwave cause the glue to change it's
molecular properties and the glue change in such a way that it wouldn't
have the same power.Just wondering here.
Do not archive.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: December 7, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
I put it in the microwave and that works great to "un-crystallize", with
the
caution that you don't want to overheat it. If you do, the liquid is so
runny that it becomes difficult to meter it out.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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Time: 11:10:41 AM PST US
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Two pack;wasn't he a (wrapper)rapper?(;-ooooooooH
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: December 7, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
No, I'm pretty sure you can buy it one can at a time...
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
once again, DO NOT ARCHIVE
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
and Robyn
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood varnish
Any comments on wood varnish, does it have to be two pack?
Thanks Graham Hewitt
________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 12:09:01 PM PST US
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88
Harvey; as far as I know, there is no chemical change happening when I
microwave the epoxy component that has crystallized. The microwave energy
only acts to heat up the material just like it does to a soy burger when you
pop it in and beep it.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Time: 01:31:55 PM PST US
From: "Graham Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88
Group,
It doesn't seem to affect the T-88 resin (the white stuff)
when it is heated to return it to a liquid state. I have some T-88 I bought
back in the 1980's, and I have re-heated the resin perhaps ten times since
then. For some time I have used it for non-aircraft applications and would
not hesitate to use it on aircraft because it has always proved to be
reliable when joining both hard and soft woods used in other projects.
Granulation of the resin component is very similar to what can happen to
honey after a time, and it can be liquified in exactly the same way: by
heating the container. (I'd be a bit hesitant about using the microwave for
this and have always placed the container in a pot of hot water.)
Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta
________________________________ Message 11
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Time: 04:46:49 PM PST US
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88
About the heating of t-88..I remember reading that somewhere in some
literature
that came with the glue, on the box or somewhere, but it WAS from the
manufacturer.
The newest batch I ordered didn't have that info with it, or I droped
the pamphlet somewhere. But it stated "May crystalize below 40deg F.
.......It
is harmless and can be heated in a pot of hot water to get rid of the
haziness......"
Any way it worked good for me, I just used hot tap water, in a 2
Qt butter tub and let it sit in there for 20 min or so. I don't claim to be
an
expert, but, I would NOT use a microwave oven for this task. I have seen
guys
at work (for the airlines) put pro-seal (a 2 part sealant) in the microwave
to heat it for a faster cure time, and some times it will bake the sealant
hard
as a rock in 10 seconds, with out even mixing in the catalyst. And the real
bad thing is if and when the pressure builds up inside the bottles of glue
they will explode all over the inside of your
microwave (unless you take the lid off), rendering it useless for cooking
food,
as epoxy is very poisionous, hard to clean thuroughly ,and does't taste very
good on popcorn. Just remember to bring that glue in side for the winter.
My 1 1/2 cents
Shad
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________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
Time: 05:04:49 PM PST US
From: dslane@logical.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List:
________________________________ Message 13
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Time: 05:08:50 PM PST US
From: dslane@logical.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee cord
Hi,
I am new to this forum and am building a pietenpol in NC. It has the
original jenny type landing gear. I need advice on what size bungee
cord and how much to order. Also, how many turns to take around the
axle. I also would like information about weight and balance limits
on the airplane.
Don Lane
________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 07:18:14 PM PST US
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bungee cord
Don
Order 25 ft of 1/2" bungee. That will give you more than enough for both
sides. You will need 4 wraps and you will have to play with it to give the
right tension. Don't cut off the excess till you are really sure it's on
for the last time. Having extra cord will save the back of the person doing
the pulling.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: <dslane@logical.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee cord
>
> Hi,
> I am new to this forum and am building a pietenpol in NC. It has the
> original jenny type landing gear. I need advice on what size bungee cord
> and how much to order. Also, how many turns to take around the axle. I
> also would like information about weight and balance limits on the
> airplane.
> Don Lane
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 15
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Time: 10:34:53 PM PST US
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight and Balance
In a message dated 12/7/2006 7:10:24 PM Central Standard Time,
dslane@logical.net writes:
I also would like information about weight and balance limits
on the airplane.
Don,
You probably already realize that weight and balance is a term relative to
the where the weight balances within the wing chord. Bernard Pietenpol said
it
should be between 1/4 and 1/3 of the wing chord. The chord is 60",
therefore,
the limits are between 15" and 20" behind the leading edge of the wing. I
have all the loading configurations for my airplane listed on at the bottom
of
this page of my web site:
http://nx770cg.com/OperationsManual.html
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: CG-whats the sweet spot |
There was a nice article on this in the most recent BPA Newlsetter,
but no mention of a sweet spot, only how sour things get when you're
outside the limits.
At 3:29 AM -0500 12/8/06, JR wrote:
>
>Is there any type of consensus that the Pietenpol fly's better with the CG
>closer to the 15"mark or 20"mark behind the leading edge of the wing?
>I believe the mini-max drivers like their CG right near the aft of its
>published limit.
>
>John Rocca
>Professional Aerial Photographer
>AngelWingsAviation.com
>Cell: 412-445-5995
>Office: 412-835-5292
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Subject: | Re: CG-whats the sweet spot |
In a message dated 12/8/2006 9:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jboatri@emory.edu writes:
I believe the mini-max drivers like their CG right near the aft of its
>published limit.
I remember watching a King(?) video saying that flying with CG at aft limit
could make your plane cruise faster and more economically. Something to the
effect that it requires less elevator to control pitch..thereby reducing
drag....just DON'T GO TOO FAR AFT!!!!
Boyce
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Subject: | CG-whats the sweet spot |
In mine, I generally fly solo with the CG about 1/2" to 1" ahead of the
aft limit (I'm too fat). It's hard to say what the "sweet spot" is,
because the only way to easily change the CG is to add weight up front
in the baggage compartment or the front seat. Generally, the effects of
more weight greatly overshadow the effects of a CG shift. I do notice
that I have to reset the trim when carrying a load up front, but once
re-trimmed, it flies about the same. I'd say the sweet spot covers the
entire CG range, because the elevators (flippers) are extremely powerful
and effective.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG-whats the sweet spot
There was a nice article on this in the most recent BPA Newlsetter,
but no mention of a sweet spot, only how sour things get when you're
outside the limits.
At 3:29 AM -0500 12/8/06, JR wrote:
>
>Is there any type of consensus that the Pietenpol fly's better with the
>CG closer to the 15"mark or 20"mark behind the leading edge of the
>wing? I believe the mini-max drivers like their CG right near the aft
>of its published limit.
>
>John Rocca
>Professional Aerial Photographer
>AngelWingsAviation.com
>Cell: 412-445-5995
>Office: 412-835-5292
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Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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Subject: | CG-whats the sweet spot |
This is true. When I was a young engineer working on the F-16 program
(scary to think that a plane I worked on in the mid 1970's is still a
front line fighter) I learned the F-16 is designed with negative static
stability. If the flight control computer were to fail, the plane would
tumble end-over-end. This was done primarily to enhance
maneuverability, but also to improve speed and fuel economy by
eliminating "trim" drag.
Most Pietenpols tend to fly with the trailing edge of the elevator down
a bit, indicating that the horizontal tail is actually providing some
lift, rather than the downforce required on most modern airplanes. I
believe this has to do with the pitching moment of the Pietenpol
airfoil.
I can say with certainty that in my RV-4, I can really tell when I'm
getting close to an aft CG situation. The plane becomes very "twitchy"
in pitch. When my wife and I go on a trip, I've become very careful to
limit her to a total of 35 lbs of baggage. Any more than that and the
plane just gets too squirrely, particularly when low on fuel (the tanks
in the RV-4 are ahead of the CG). With the Pietenpol, it doesn't seem
to change the flight characteristics much to be right up against the aft
limit.
Jack
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Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:45 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG-whats the sweet spot
In a message dated 12/8/2006 9:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jboatri@emory.edu writes:
I believe the mini-max drivers like their CG right near
the aft of its
>published limit.
I remember watching a King(?) video saying that flying with
CG at aft limit could make your plane cruise faster and more
economically. Something to the effect that it requires less elevator to
control pitch..thereby reducing drag....just DON'T GO TOO FAR AFT!!!!
Boyce
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Subject: | Jack- you think you're old? (off topic) |
Jack; the F-16 is a relatively young pup compared to one of my all-time
favorites... the T-38 Talon. It was designed in the mid-1950s, eleven years
before Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard introduced their first computer and
about the time that Bill Gates emerged from his mother's womb.
The T-38 was the world's first supersonic trainer and continues in service
FIFTY YEARS LATER as a supersonic jet trainer for military pilots and for
NASA. It is a masterpiece of form and function; fast and beautiful. Here
where I work (Southwest Research Institute) our engineers are fatigue
testing T-38 airframes and sub-assemblies to assist the DOD in determining
the life limits of various parts and assemblies... they want to keep them
flying and so do I.
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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Subject: | Jack- you think you're old? II |
PS- A Pietenpol departs Oshkosh Wittman airfield, headed for Brodhead, about
120 miles away. At the same time a T-38 leaves Oshkosh headed west. By the
time the Piet taxies off the runway at Brodhead, the T-38 is past Portland,
Oregon, 1600 miles away and about to leave the continental U.S.... ;o)
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Subject: | Jack- you think you're old? II |
But how many times did the T-38 have to hit the tanker? I don't believe
a T-38 can fly 1600 miles at 800 mph without refueling. Maybe at 400,
but supersonic speeds require A/B, and A/B's burn a LOT of fuel. More
than you can carry in those thin wings.
An F-16 with no external tanks carries 1,000 gals (6,000 lbs) of fuel.
At max A/B, it burns 60,000 lbs per hour (1,000 lbs per minute) so it
carries enough fuel for exactly 6 minutes of flight at zone 5
afterburner. Think of that the next time you watch "Iron Eagle" or any
other movie showing lots of dogfighting with flames coming out the
tailpipe. Another favorite movie inaccuracy of mine is the machine gun
on a modern jet fighter. An F-16 uses an M61 Vulcan minigun. It fires
6,000 20 mm rounds per minute (100 rounds per second). The sound is
very similar to a chainsaw (which, coincidentally runs at about 6,000
RPM). But in the movies, the gun sounds like a world war II machine gun
(rat-tat-tat-tat...). The F-16 carries 510 rounds of ammo in a drum
behind the cockpit. Do the math. You've got just over 5 SECONDS of
firing. Yet in the movies they just rat-a-tat all over the place for
minutes at a time, while running that afterburner. They also never
mention the fact that firing the gun makes you feel like you just flew
into a wall (the M61 produces 3500 lbs of thrust). The F-16 has the gun
mounted on the left side, firing alongside the cockpit, so every time
you pull the trigger, you've got 3500 lbs of backwards thrust located
about 2 feet off the centerline of the airplane. The rudder
automatically kicks to the left when the gun fires, to offset the moment
that firing the gun produces.
Don't get me started on movie inaccuracies...
For Heaven's sake, do not archive
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposables Product Development
Clinical Technologies and Services
Cardinal Health
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
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Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 3:37 PM
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PS- A Pietenpol departs Oshkosh Wittman airfield, headed for Brodhead,
about
120 miles away. At the same time a T-38 leaves Oshkosh headed west. By
the
time the Piet taxies off the runway at Brodhead, the T-38 is past
Portland,
Oregon, 1600 miles away and about to leave the continental U.S.... ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
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I just saw a T-38 an hour ago while I was at work. The flight crew was borrowing
our "huffer" cart for engine start. From the 509th. I had never previously
seen one up close, man that wing is THIN! It must land at half power and at
160kts or so? That looks like it would be a blast to fly, even if it can't slow
down to 40mph for a landing.
Shad
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Long as we're talking older jets, while at the USAF Museum in Dayton
Ohio this summer I couldn't get over how short the T-38 Talon's
wings were. I stretched my arms out from the side of the fuselage and
just 3 feet from my fingertips was the wingtip--- each wing panel
is only about 8.5 feet long ! A Pietenpol wing panel is 13 feet long
and we can't climb nearly as fast as a T-38 but can out-turn them every
single time !
The T-38 has had a bunch of upgrades--the Air Force loves it and if you
go to the link below they are continually upgrading it with newer
technology
for keeping pace with the training requirements for the Air Force
Materiel Command. Plus the plane is downright sexy.
The T-38 needs only 2,300 feet of runway for takeoff and can climb from
sea level to nearly 30,000 feet in one minute. Student pilots fly the
T-38A to learn supersonic techniques, aerobatics, formation, night and
instrument flying and cross-country navigation.
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=126
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By two pack I did not refer to two cans of the same product, but one can
of the basic varnish & one can of hardener.
As suspected if you use the Dacron Stitts process for covering & use the
wrong varnish, the Polytac will react & may destroy the varnish.
If this happens then the whole integrity of the covering may be
affected.
Graham Hewitt
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Subject: | fl ying from Oshkosh to Brodhead |
Jack Phillips is going to like this story because he can relate big
time. (you froze your butt off too flying south from Oshkosh in 2005
after that
nice, crisp, cool Canadian air moved in to Wisconsin)
Upon departing Oshkosh one year (before the control tower even opened) I
was headed for Brodhead and decided it was so cool I'd better put on
a sweatshirt under my jacket. I discovered that my 1/2 gal. drinking
water container had leaked on my clothing duffle bag. The sweatshirt
wasn't
too wet so I put in on anyway. Even at 2,000 feet cruising I was
freezing cold and wish I was in a T-38 with a heated cockpit and vein
drain tube
for my little friend down south. I ended up having to stop at
Blackhawk Airport in Madison, jumping out, watering the grass along the
runway
lights and then getting in the still idling Piet to takeoff again. It
was so dead I never even taxied off the runway. There is something to
be said
for fast airplanes--they get to to the comfort stations mucho more
quicko. (that is for you TexMex guys like Oscar down sawuth.
Mike C.
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Makes you want to be an astronaut, just so you can fly one. I'd rather
fly an F-16, though. It'll climb at 40,000 feet per minute, and will
roll at 540 degrees per second. I flew a friend's Extra 300L a few
times and its roll rate of 400 degrees per second was literally
mind-boggling. I got to fly the F-16 simulator while I was working for
General Dynamics and the roll rate was absolutely frighteneing - even in
a simulator. I crashed it.
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:08 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-38 Talon
Long as we're talking older jets, while at the USAF Museum in
Dayton Ohio this summer I couldn't get over how short the T-38 Talon's
wings were. I stretched my arms out from the side of the
fuselage and just 3 feet from my fingertips was the wingtip--- each wing
panel
is only about 8.5 feet long ! A Pietenpol wing panel is 13
feet long and we can't climb nearly as fast as a T-38 but can out-turn
them every
single time !
The T-38 has had a bunch of upgrades--the Air Force loves it and
if you go to the link below they are continually upgrading it with newer
technology
for keeping pace with the training requirements for the Air
Force Materiel Command. Plus the plane is downright sexy.
The T-38 needs only 2,300 feet of runway for takeoff and can
climb from sea level to nearly 30,000 feet in one minute. Student pilots
fly the T-38A to learn supersonic techniques, aerobatics, formation,
night and instrument flying and cross-country navigation.
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=126
<http://www.af.mil/history/aircraft.asp?dec=&pid=123006570>
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Well, son of a bear!!! I had that big refill size of T88 resin and I put in
some very hot water over night. The next morning - no crystalization; no p
roblem. Works great.
Thanks.
Jeff in Texas
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As long as we're talking about Piets out-turning other airplanes,
check out some of the videos I just uploaded to youtube. They're not
very good, but better than nothing on a cold day!
Piet tangles with Cassutt (this one is long):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7cS4FJeWg
My first slip into runway 06 at Lenora:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzvk0lmr4O4
Last one in for the evening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LhkqIN35Y8
And yes, the trees and houses really are that close on approach to 06.
Jeff
At 3:08 PM -0600 12/8/06, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote:
>Long as we're talking older jets, while at the USAF Museum in Dayton
>Ohio this summer I couldn't get over how short the T-38 Talon's
>wings were. I stretched my arms out from the side of the fuselage
>and just 3 feet from my fingertips was the wingtip--- each wing panel
>is only about 8.5 feet long ! A Pietenpol wing panel is 13 feet
>long and we can't climb nearly as fast as a T-38 but can out-turn
>them every
>single time !
>
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Next thing you know you will be picking on the greatest movie spoof of
all........Airplane<GGG>
Jim Dallas
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PS- A Pietenpol departs Oshkosh Wittman airfield, headed for Brodhead,
about
120 miles away. At the same time a T-38 leaves Oshkosh headed west.
By
the
time the Piet taxies off the runway at Brodhead, the T-38 is past
Portland,
Oregon, 1600 miles away and about to leave the continental U.S.... ;o)
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