---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/10/06: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:35 AM - Flying Music (slightly OT) (Tim Verthein) 2. 05:57 AM - Re: Flying Music (slightly OT) (Jeff Boatright) 3. 08:10 AM - Re: corvair air camper (shad bell) 4. 09:46 AM - Re: fire resistant paint (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 5. 03:42 PM - Re: corvair air camper (Malcolmbru@aol.com) 6. 04:27 PM - Charlies ribs (Dick Navratil) 7. 06:24 PM - Re: corvair air camper (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) 8. 06:25 PM - Re: Charlies ribs (James) 9. 06:58 PM - Re: corvair air camper (Jeff Boatright) 10. 07:36 PM - NX421GN Has Airworthiness Certificate ! (Gene Hubbard) 11. 07:51 PM - Re: NX421GN Has Airworthiness Certificate ! (Rcaprd@aol.com) 12. 08:17 PM - Re: NX421GN Has Airworthiness Certificate ! (walt evans) 13. 08:21 PM - Grega GN-1 Aircamper (Garrahy, Paul) 14. 09:27 PM - Re: NX421GN Has Airworthiness Certificate ! (Greg Bacon) 15. 11:04 PM - Re: corvair air camper (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:46 AM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Music (slightly OT) Back in the early 70's, my Dad had a couple record albums by a folksinger named Oscar Brand. These 2 records were all flying songs, one Lp dedicated to general aviation! The songs are clean, humorous, and, darn it, quite amusing. I absconded with these records when I moved out a long long time ago, and recently dug them out. Near as I can tell these can't be purchased on a current release. I have found a few Oscar Brand compilation CD's, but it seems impossible to get all the airplane songs. SO.....I took the well played LP and dubbed in into my computer and made mp3's out of the tracks and uploaded them to my web server several months ago. Completely forgot about them till just now, and it dawned on me...that ya'll might enjoy giving them a listen. That said: http://www.edselmotors.com/oscarbrand/ Should take you to a file directory of mp3's. If you've got a decent internet connection you should be able to grab the songs in a few minutes. They're all pretty much light plane theme songs, and general flying songs that would apply to anyone flying anything in general aviation. I even burned the tracks to CD to play in the car, which drives th' wife nuts. And to make the post relevant, decided to go with long fuse, 'Vair power, 3 piece wing, and hopefully get started building ribs once we get past the holidays! Oh..and I have lots of tools on my letter to Santa! Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:36 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Music (slightly OT) Thanks, Tim! -- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor Department of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Atlanta, GA 30322 Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision http://www.molvis.org/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:57 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair air camper What type of info do you need? The corvair is a relitivly simple engine, easy to work on and somewhat powerful. But from engine to engine they can be worlds apart depending on how they are set up, prop etc. I would be careful to check everything I could and would think about dismantling the engine for inspection if you don't know the history of the airplane and engine. This seems to be more critical in experimental aircraft, as any one can do there own work and a A+P never has to see it. (this goes on with certified aircraft owners as well) This is not to say homebuilders are inferrior, but I have met some people who take every shortcut they can to save pennies, and hopefully it never bites them in the ass. So if the airframe is in good shape, and the engines runs well it would probably be OK. If you know the history of the airplane that would be a BIG help. As for flying the corvair BEWARE OF CARB ICE!! They run fine but they will ice up pretty fast and loose power. I make it a habbit to cycle the carb heat every 10 min or so to make sure the carb is cleaned out. I read somewhere (William Wynne I think) that you can run a corvair all day with carb heat on and not hurt it, just not quite as much power. Good luck with your potential purchase, and you will love the sound of a corvair on climb out, it sounds like a cross of a radial and a 182. Shad Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: I need lots of info on a corvair powered aircamper I am this close to buying matronics is great i belong to the kit fox forem also malcolm michigan --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:45 AM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fire resistant paint Thanks Clif. I think that is the stuff. I am going to try sherwin williams tomorrow and if no luck I'll email this company. dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fire resistant paint Try this; http://www.flameseal.com/fxWFdesc.html Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Engelkenjohn To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fire resistant paint Actually, I am going to use stainless steel sheet. I didn't leave much room to get the bolt heads out of the motor mounts near the firewall. I am fessing up. you got to the truth. I don't know if there is room for the 1/8" fiberfrax. A buddy may have some asbestos sheet, but I prefer not to use it. The heat resistant paint is to paint the firewall wood under the SS. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fire resistant paint Don't know of firewalls that are painted. Mine is just galvanized steel and not painted. 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He told me once but I can't remember now if it was White Cedar or Western Red Cedar. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:13 PM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair air camper Hi fellow Pieters. I'm new to the list, but have been following the posts for quite a while now. I'm in the throws of starting my Pitenpol, down under in Perth, Western Australia, a Corvair powered, Douglass Fir, long fuse variant. There are at lease two others I know of around the Perth area, Rod Wooler and Graham Hewitt who are at variouse stages of construction. There is also an original Burnie Pietenpol Scout based at our local Airport, Jandakot which arrived earlier this year. I have decided to strip my own wood from Douglas Fir stock I obtained from a local ladder manufacturer, who imports the timber from Canada. I did purchase two planks of Spruce for the ribs, from a gentleman in Queensland, Aust., which I stripped down to 1/2 x 1/4, and have started on the ribs. I chose the Corvair because it was an economical and powerful engine choice and offered the opportunity to build the "whole aircraft" from the ground up. I read as much as possible from specialist corvair conversion web sites before reaching my decision to use the Corvair. Of course, I'll be following WW's bible. I obtained the beginnings of the engine from Darren Barnfied, WW's Australian Agent and have used eBay, California Corvair and Clarks for various parts, slowly accumulating all that I need. One point which I see mentioned quite often as a warning against the Corvair is Carb Icing. I think it is important to note that it is NOT peculiar to the Corvair alone. It is common to most aircraft engines, uncertified and certified and it is dependent on the carburettor selection not the engine selection. This topic has been covered quite extensively on this site and others. Any how, I'm happy to proceed with the Corvair and will only know whether it lives up to it's reputation, good or bad, when I start flying... a few more years into the future. I'll be looking closly at which carb I use. (Just purchased a RevFlow on Ebay, so will keep that one for testing, together with others) PS. As you all know, there are other builders of the Pietenpol in Australia, but they are at lease 4000km away!! Thanks for a great List, which I look forward to reading every day. Regards, John Woods ---- Original Message ---- From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair air camper >What type of info do you need? The corvair is a relitivly simple >engine, easy to work on and somewhat powerful. But from engine to >engine they can be worlds apart depending on how they are set up, >prop etc. I would be careful to check everything I could and would >think about dismantling the engine for inspection if you don't know >the history of the airplane and engine. This seems to be more >critical in experimental aircraft, as any one can do there own work >and a A+P never has to see it. (this goes on with certified aircraft >owners as well) This is not to say homebuilders are inferrior, but I >have met some people who take every shortcut they can to save >pennies, and hopefully it never bites them in the ass. So if the >airframe is in good shape, and the engines runs well it would >probably be OK. If you know the history of the airplane that would >be a BIG help. As for flying the corvair BEWARE OF CARB ICE!! They >run fine but they will ice up pretty fast and loose > power. I make it a habbit to cycle the carb heat every 10 min or so >to make sure the carb is cleaned out. I read somewhere (William >Wynne I think) that you can run a corvair all day with carb heat on >and not hurt it, just not quite as much power. Good luck with your >potential purchase, and you will love the sound of a corvair on climb >out, it sounds like a cross of a radial and a 182. > Shad > >Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: > I need lots of info on a corvair powered aircamper I am >this close to buying matronics is great i belong to the kit fox >forem also malcolm michigan > > > >--------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:32 PM PST US From: "James" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Charlies ribs I have a set and I belive they are western red cedar Jim T. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Charlies ribs Does anyone who bought ribs from Charlie Rubek recall the type of wood he used to make them? He told me once but I can't remember now if it was White Cedar or Western Red Cedar. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:25 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair air camper John, I had a great week on Perth in October, 2004. I flew in from Sydney, we had a heck of clear day, and for some reason the 737 flew relatively low. I got to follow the southern shore all the way around the southern edge of the continent, saw every detail of your beautiful country. Heading into Perth it looked like the first time I landed at Shannon airport in Ireland. Just gorgeous. Good luck with the Piet, and send us some aerial photos when it's done! Jeff ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:37 PM PST US From: Gene Hubbard Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX421GN Has Airworthiness Certificate ! I started building NX421GN about 7 1/2 years ago. It got its airworthiness certificate today! Thanks to those (Mike Cuy and Jack Phillips in particular) who made suggestions that changed the way I built it. First flight when it's good and ready (but probably this year). Gene Hubbard San Diego, CA. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:17 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX421GN Has Airworthiness Certificate ! In a message dated 12/10/2006 9:38:42 PM Central Standard Time, enhubbard@sbcglobal.net writes: I started building NX421GN about 7 1/2 years ago. It got its airworthiness certificate today! Thanks to those (Mike Cuy and Jack Phillips in particular) who made suggestions that changed the way I built it. First flight when it's good and ready (but probably this year). Gene Hubbard San Diego, CA. Gene, A big Congratulations on your milestone !! Occasions like this, gives everyone on the list cause to celebrate !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:06 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX421GN Has Airworthiness Certificate ! Good one Gene! Keep us posted. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Hubbard" Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX421GN Has Airworthiness Certificate ! >I started building NX421GN about 7 1/2 years ago. It got its > airworthiness certificate today! Thanks to those (Mike Cuy and Jack > Phillips in particular) who made suggestions that changed the way I > built it. > > First flight when it's good and ready (but probably this year). > > Gene Hubbard > San Diego, CA. > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grega GN-1 Aircamper From: "Garrahy, Paul" Hi, I am currently looking at purchasing a Grega GN-1 Aircamper that is for sale in Australia. Whilst I understand it is not a Pietenpol, can anyone advise if the Grega is a good, safe flyer? Any particular handling/structual issues I should be aware of? Also, any particular c of g issues? Many thanks, Paul Garrahy _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Security Statement The information contained in this electronic mail message is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. 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Thanks to those (Mike Cuy and Jack > Phillips in particular) who made suggestions that changed the way I > built it. > > First flight when it's good and ready (but probably this year). > > Gene Hubbard > San Diego, CA. > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:31 PM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair air camper Jeff, Did you catch the size of our Swan River? Some visitors have likened it to an inland sea. Great spot for sailing and other water sports. No sea planes though. Perth is famous for it's clear skies, not a cloud to be seen, especially in winter (June to August) where the temperatures range between 5 deg C and the low 20's and the air is cool and clear with light winds (when the storm fronts aren't blowing thru). Right now we're heading into summer when the winds can get quite strong. From the east in the morning, turning westerly in the afternoon. The hot temperatures, peaking in the low 40's (degC) in Feb / March make for interesting landings and take-(forever)offs. Best to stay at home in the pool or in an airconditioned room with a couple of stubbies of your favourite liquid amber watching cricket interspersed with the occasional nap. Have a great winter you guys!! (I'm not sure which is worse. A sweltering hot summer or a freezing cold winter.) John ---- Original Message ---- From: jboatri@emory.edu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair air camper > > >John, > >I had a great week on Perth in October, 2004. I flew in from Sydney, >we had a heck of clear day, and for some reason the 737 flew >relatively low. I got to follow the southern shore all the way around > >the southern edge of the continent, saw every detail of your >beautiful country. Heading into Perth it looked like the first time >I landed at Shannon airport in Ireland. Just gorgeous. > >Good luck with the Piet, and send us some aerial photos when it's >done! > >Jeff > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.