---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/12/06: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:49 AM - Re: movie inaccuracies done right--Airplane () 2. 05:01 AM - Re: Ribs continued (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 3. 05:17 AM - Re: Wing Ribs (Ed G.) 4. 05:39 AM - Re: Corvair valve covers (Hans Vander Voort) 5. 05:52 AM - Victory over exploding airplane (Scott Schreiber) 6. 06:06 AM - Re: Victory over exploding airplane (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 7. 06:14 AM - Corvair valve covers (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 06:40 AM - Re: Wing Ribs (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 9. 07:43 AM - Re: Wing Ribs (Roman Bukolt) 10. 11:05 AM - Cold weather head gear (Gene & Tammy) 11. 11:50 AM - Re: Cold weather head gear () 12. 01:27 PM - Re: Cold weather head gear (gbowen@ptialaska.net) 13. 01:45 PM - Sky Scout builders (Terry Hall) 14. 02:38 PM - Re: Cold weather head gear (Gene & Tammy) 15. 02:57 PM - Re: Cold weather head gear (Steve Ruse) 16. 03:10 PM - Re: Aircamper Valve Covers (Tim Verthein) 17. 03:11 PM - Click and laugh (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 18. 03:18 PM - Re: Wing Ribs (Alan Lyscars) 19. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Aircamper Valve Covers (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 20. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Aircamper Valve Covers (DJ Vegh) 21. 04:32 PM - Re: Wing Ribs (Ben Ramler) 22. 04:41 PM - Re: Wing Ribs (Ben Ramler) 23. 04:49 PM - Re: Wing Ribs (Ben Ramler) 24. 05:04 PM - Re: Wing Ribs (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 25. 05:41 PM - Re: NX421GN Has Airworthiness Certificate ! (Don Emch) 26. 05:42 PM - Re: Wing Ribs (Dick Navratil) 27. 05:53 PM - Re: Cold weather head gear (Don Emch) 28. 05:54 PM - Re: Cold weather head gear (Dick Navratil) 29. 05:57 PM - Re: Cold weather head gear (DOUGLAS BLACKBURN) 30. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: Aircamper Valve Covers (Eric Williams) 31. 06:52 PM - N174LS aircamper clarance Solmon watyertown Wisconsin (Malcolmbru@aol.com) 32. 06:58 PM - Re: movie inaccuracies done right--Airplane (Clif Dawson) 33. 07:00 PM - Ohio Pietenpol Fly-in (Don Emch) 34. 07:06 PM - Re: Cold weather head gear (MICHAEL SILVIUS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:47 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: movie inaccuracies done right--Airplane From: I'll have to look for that one;I don't recall ever seeing it. Do not archive ________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:59 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ribs continued Dick: Check out ebay right now item number: 230061439673 A heck of a deal on a VJ22 fuselage on the gear in Durham NC Should be fairly easy transport, even if you have to tow it by the tail spring. and no ones bid on it yet I know of at least one flying with a corvair engine so it could be finished for a reasonable figure. michael silvius scarborough, maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ribs continued Thanks all to the rib question. Work on my 2nd Piet is winding down and I don't have any projects left that I can work on here at home now. The wings are getting the finishing touches before covering and controlls are hooked up. I was thinking of building a boat next but then got to thinking of a flying boat. So I have decided to build a Volmer VJ 22 next. I need something enclosed to fly in the winter months. You can also put skiis on the VJ22. The only problem is the list for Volmer builders is not very active and not so good for support and the plans are massive. Slicing up wing cap strips and building wing ribs is a good project for long Minnesota nights. Only 8 hrs of daylight now. Western Red Cedar is very common here and I've got a bunch in the shop anyway. White cedar is used a lot in boatbuilding for planking. Red it is. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:33 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs Hi Ben..One tip most builders will give you on wing ribs is to use only one rib jig. If you build two and there's even a small variation between them you will have two different sets of ribs. Use the extra time that you would need to build the extra jig to build a few ribs. Build one rib per day. At first it seems like you will never get done but at the end of a month, Viola, you have a finished stack of ribs. Then, keep your rib jig. If you ever break a rib you will be able to make an exact replacement. My second tip is read Tony Bingelis' section on wood wing ribs in "The Sportplane Builder" . Take your time and enjoy it. Ed G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Ramler To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs > Hi Group and Gene, I just wanted to send my congradulations to Gene also on getting his airworthniess certificate out of the way! I would like to let everyone know that possibly next week or so I will be starting my wing ribs down in my basement. I was wondering if anyone might have few tips for me? The glue I am using is FASCO #110. its the paste version in case some of you don't anything about it! I plan on setting up 2 jigs! This will keep me busy while the waiting game rolls on for robb to get his garage heated. the temp in my basement is at least 50 degrees or so. I will be updating our progress at my website www.ben-aircamper.4t.com. take Care, Ben Ramler www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.kitlog.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair valve covers From: Hans Vander Voort Michael, There seems the area code has changed, try: Miller, Todd R 504 G St Charles City, IA 50616-3017 (641) 228-5682 I got mine 2 years ago, at that time Todd Miller was still "in business" Hans Michael Groah To Sent by: pietenpol-list@matronics.com owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: Corvair valve covers 12/11/2006 04:00 PM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com I am wondering if the Corvair "Aircamper" valve covers are still available. I called the number listed on : http://users.aol.com/bpabpa7315/tm.html. , but it was disconnected. Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:13 AM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Victory over exploding airplane Everything cleaned up nicely and I did almost all the gusseting before moving it. http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/pietfuse4.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:44 AM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Victory over exploding airplane VERY nice! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:00 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair valve covers Michael; You may have to try US Postal Service mail to Todd Miller to get yourself some valve covers, but I'm sure he's still in the business. When I got mine he also had some "seconds" that had casting flaws, at reduced cost. FWIW, using "People Search" whitepages, I got a different phone number for Todd that you might try: (641) 228-5682 Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ WIN up to $10,000 in cash or prizes enter the Microsoft Office Live ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:36 AM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs Congratulations Gene!! On ribs, use the Arrow JT-21 stapler. I prefurred Sears stapels. they had a sharp point. The Arrow stapels had more of a chissel point. After stapling gussets on one side, I found that I could pop the rib out of the jig, flip it and staple gussets on the other side. I found no need for the rib to cure in the jig.before removing it. It didn't deform. I made 3 ribs in one day back then. Staples can be removed with a stake knife . Make an extra rib to hang on the wall of your hangar..or garage..or your bedroom, in full view above the head board just in case you need to spice things up a little. The ribs are not a drudgery at all. I found them quite fun. Leon S. In Ks. Longing for sprig. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:35 AM PST US From: "Roman Bukolt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs You can also use an ordinary office stapler. You don't even have to bang on it. Just open the stapler all the way 180 degrees or better yet remove the base. Then place the stapler right down on the gusset and press the staple in. Believe or not it also works pushing the staple through 1/8" birch plywood for the fuselage gussets. Also it's not necessary to remove the staples. their only function is to hold the gusset in place until the glue sets. Then when the part is varnished the staple will not rust. Roman Bukolt NX88XN (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Stefan" Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs > > Congratulations Gene!! On ribs, use the Arrow JT-21 stapler. I prefurred > Sears stapels. they had a sharp point. The Arrow stapels had more of a > chissel point. After stapling gussets on one side, I found that I could > pop the rib out of the jig, flip it and staple gussets on the other > side. I found no need for the rib to cure in the jig.before removing it. > It didn't deform. I made 3 ribs in one day back then. Staples can be > removed with a stake knife . Make an extra rib to hang on the wall of > your hangar..or garage..or your bedroom, in full view above the head > board just in case you need to spice things up a little. The ribs are > not a drudgery at all. I found them quite fun. Leon S. In Ks. Longing > for sprig. > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:09 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear Wondering what everyone is doing for cold weather flying head gear? How did you make it or where did you buy it and how good (or bad) would you rate it? Last weekend was down into the 30's and it was a little cool on my head ( my windscreen is too short or my body is too tall). If you made your own head gear, how about some photos and instructions on how you did it? Can you use a head set with it? When I owned an Avid I followed the Avid list and thought it was great. Doesn't hold a candle to this group. What a great bunch of dreamers and doers! I'm proud to be a member. Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:00 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear From: I have considered putting a bubble on for protection.One that can slide back and forth but I feel it would detract from the old time looks of the plane.It would allow for all weather flight.I will be putting a piece of lexan over the hole for the front cockpit;painting it down both sides and leaving the middle unpainted so I can see the instruments,with a quick connect on it for the battery hook up for charge etc.Even that bothers me somewhat because it will detract from it's old time looks.My AME assures me it won't look too bad and it will stop the wind somewhat from coming in at my legs.Still mulling over things. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: December 12, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear Wondering what everyone is doing for cold weather flying head gear? How did you make it or where did you buy it and how good (or bad) would you rate it? Last weekend was down into the 30's and it was a little cool on my head ( my windscreen is too short or my body is too tall). If you made your own head gear, how about some photos and instructions on how you did it? Can you use a head set with it? When I owned an Avid I followed the Avid list and thought it was great. Doesn't hold a candle to this group. What a great bunch of dreamers and doers! I'm proud to be a member. Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:50 PM PST US From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear Ain't got that frosty problem here in sunny FL, but recently bought via Airspruce a leather fitted retro look Red Baron cap that incorporates the Dave Clarks. Works great. They make one with a fleece lining. Was $70 for the unlined and $75 for the lined version. Use retro-goggles from Harley Davidson dealer-$35, leather flight jacket complete the get-up. At 4000' gets kinda nippy on colder mornings but not 30F. Good luck with staying thawed, or wait it out until spring and there's always the sunny south for the winter. Sure don't miss AK this time of year. Gordon Bowen N-1033B based Palatka FL Original Message: ----------------- From: Gene & Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear Wondering what everyone is doing for cold weather flying head gear? How did you make it or where did you buy it and how good (or bad) would you rate it? Last weekend was down into the 30's and it was a little cool on my head ( my windscreen is too short or my body is too tall). If you made your own head gear, how about some photos and instructions on how you did it? Can you use a head set with it? When I owned an Avid I followed the Avid list and thought it was great. Doesn't hold a candle to this group. What a great bunch of dreamers and doers! I'm proud to be a member. Gene N502R -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:16 PM PST US From: "Terry Hall" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout builders I'm knew to this group, and I'm wondering if there are any Sky Scout builders on line? Terry Hall Ada, OK ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:02 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear Gordon, Spent most of my life in Alaska (1960 to 1985 full time and up until this year half time as a captain for Alaska Clean Seas in the Arctic.) so I'm use to being out in the cold but this humidity in the south is killling me. I have looked at the hats in Airspruce but don't own a set of David Clarks and don't want to spend the money to get a set. I was hoping someone may have made a helmet and still had the pattern. I agree on the motor cycle goggles. They look great! Thanks Gene N502R ----- > ----------------- >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:36 PM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear I wear a plain leather helmet (not fleece lined) and a thin ski/snowmobiling mask under the helmet. The lower portion of the mask can be stretched down below my chin, or pulled up over my nose so everything but my eyes are covered, and my goggles take care of that. When I was getting ready to fly my Piet from Indiana to Texas in the winter, I started looking for wool clothes on Ebay. I found a bunch of new heavy wool surplus army shirts selling for $3 or so. They itch like crazy so you have to have something under them, but they are really warm! I only bought one, and I wear it all the time, in the Piet or just working out in the cold. I intend to buy 4-5 more as soon as I take the time to find them on Ebay. For $6 or so shipped, you can beat them. Steve Ruse Norman, OK > Wondering what everyone is doing for cold weather flying head gear? How > did you make it or where did you buy it and how good (or bad) would you > rate it? Last weekend was down into the 30's and it was a little cool on > my head ( my windscreen is too short or my body is too tall). > If you made your own head gear, how about some photos and instructions on > how you did it? Can you use a head set with it? > When I owned an Avid I followed the Avid list and thought it was great. > Doesn't hold a candle to this group. What a great bunch of dreamers and > doers! I'm proud to be a member. > Gene > N502R ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:03 PM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aircamper Valve Covers I just wrote to the fella who was selling them, and the reply I received a week or so ago states: "I have stopped making the Air Camper valve covers. The foundry that was casting them for me found out they were going on airplanes and refused to make anymore" So, there ya go. Gonna be a long time till I need any, but really wanted a pair! Tim in Bovey "I am wondering if the Corvair "Aircamper" valve covers are still available. I called the number listed on : http://users.aol.com/bpabpa7315/tm.html. , but it was disconnected. Thanks in advance for any help you can give." == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:59 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Click and laugh _Document sans nom_ (http://pageperso.aol.fr/marcbrecy/deanmartin.html) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:37 PM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs Ben, I'm building an Aircamper here in Maine. Just starting with ribs this winter. Be careful with "paste-type" epoxies. You'll want the glue to flow into the joint. Also, the pot life on the Fasco is pretty short. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ramler" Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs > > Hi Group and Gene, > > I just wanted to send my congradulations to Gene also on getting his airworthniess certificate out of the way! I would like to let everyone know that possibly next week or so I will be starting my wing ribs down in my basement. I was wondering if anyone might have few tips for me? The glue I am using is FASCO #110. its the paste version in case some of you don't anything about it! I plan on setting up 2 jigs! This will keep me busy while the waiting game rolls on for robb to get his garage heated. the temp in my basement is at least 50 degrees or so. I will be updating our progress at my website www.ben-aircamper.4t.com. > > > take Care, > > > Ben Ramler > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:56 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aircamper Valve Covers In a message dated 12/12/2006 6:12:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, minoxphotographer@yahoo.com writes: I just wrote to the fella who was selling them, and the reply I received a week or so ago states: "I have stopped making the Air Camper valve covers. The foundry that was casting them for me found out they were going on airplanes and refused to make anymore" So, there ya go. Gonna be a long time till I need any, but really wanted a pair! Tim in Bovey This is exactly why, when I farm out any work, I lie and tell them it is for something other than an aircraft or that the part will be used on a static display. Ron ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:06 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aircamper Valve Covers wow... I'm glad I got mine when I did! ----- Original Message ----- From: Pietsrneat@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aircamper Valve Covers In a message dated 12/12/2006 6:12:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, minoxphotographer@yahoo.com writes: I just wrote to the fella who was selling them, and the reply I received a week or so ago states: "I have stopped making the Air Camper valve covers. The foundry that was casting them for me found out they were going on airplanes and refused to make anymore" So, there ya go. Gonna be a long time till I need any, but really wanted a pair! Tim in Bovey This is exactly why, when I farm out any work, I lie and tell them it is for something other than an aircraft or that the part will be used on a static display. Ron ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:29 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs ----- Original Message ---- From: Alan Lyscars Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:18:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs Ben, I'm building an Aircamper here in Maine. Just starting with ribs this winter. Be careful with "paste-type" epoxies. You'll want the glue to flow into the joint. Also, the pot life on the Fasco is pretty short. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ramler" Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs > > Hi Group and Gene, > > I just wanted to send my congradulations to Gene also on getting his airworthniess certificate out of the way! I would like to let everyone know that possibly next week or so I will be starting my wing ribs down in my basement. I was wondering if anyone might have few tips for me? The glue I am using is FASCO #110. its the paste version in case some of you don't anything about it! I plan on setting up 2 jigs! This will keep me busy while the waiting game rolls on for robb to get his garage heated. the temp in my basement is at least 50 degrees or so. I will be updating our progress at my website www.ben-aircamper.4t.com. > > > take Care, > > > Ben Ramler > > Want to start your own business? http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:00 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs Group and Leon S., will the arrow power shot stapler work? and the staples I have is arrow T50 staples. they are 5/16". ----- Original Message ---- From: Leon Stefan Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:40:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs Congratulations Gene!! On ribs, use the Arrow JT-21 stapler. I prefurred Sears stapels. they had a sharp point. The Arrow stapels had more of a chissel point. After stapling gussets on one side, I found that I could pop the rib out of the jig, flip it and staple gussets on the other side. I found no need for the rib to cure in the jig.before removing it. It didn't deform. I made 3 ribs in one day back then. Staples can be removed with a stake knife . Make an extra rib to hang on the wall of your hangar..or garage..or your bedroom, in full view above the head board just in case you need to spice things up a little. The ribs are not a drudgery at all. I found them quite fun. Leon S. In Ks. Longing for sprig. Cheap talk? ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:21 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs Group, so once everything has dried I can remove the staples? this is good info I am getting. So I understand this Once the gussets are stapled in place I can go ahead and remove the rib from jig and do another? I'm just checking to make sure I understand. Does hurt anything If I leave the staples in? Brain likes good info. take care, Ben ----- Original Message ---- From: Leon Stefan Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:40:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs Congratulations Gene!! On ribs, use the Arrow JT-21 stapler. I prefurred Sears stapels. they had a sharp point. The Arrow stapels had more of a chissel point. After stapling gussets on one side, I found that I could pop the rib out of the jig, flip it and staple gussets on the other side. I found no need for the rib to cure in the jig.before removing it. It didn't deform. I made 3 ribs in one day back then. Staples can be removed with a stake knife . Make an extra rib to hang on the wall of your hangar..or garage..or your bedroom, in full view above the head board just in case you need to spice things up a little. The ribs are not a drudgery at all. I found them quite fun. Leon S. In Ks. Longing for sprig. Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:32 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs In a message dated 12/12/2006 7:50:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ben_ramler2002@yahoo.com writes: Group, so once everything has dried I can remove the staples? this is good info I am getting. So I understand this Once the gussets are stapled in place I can go ahead and remove the rib from jig and do another? I'm just checking to make sure I understand. Does hurt anything If I leave the staples in? Brain likes good info. take care, Ben Ben, One great tip Mike Cuy gave me years ago: Put "cling"-type wrap down over your jig before each you start each rib.This keeps the rib from sticking to the jig, and the wrap peels right off the rib itself...even after the glue is dry. Works super good. I got industrial sized roll at Sam's club, like they use at deli or cafeterias. Ron ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX421GN Has Airworthiness Certificate ! From: "Don Emch" Very nice job! Green is great. Talk to as many Pietenpol/GN-1 pilots as you can about flying it before you actually do, no sweat though! Good Luck! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81167#81167 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:40 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs Ben I tend to like things the easy way. I bought a reject 36"x80 hollow core door from Menards for $5. I traced lines for 4 ribs at a time on one side of the door. After I was done building ribe, I laid out the tail section on the other side. For ribs, I laid wax paper under all glue areas. To start with, I used a stapler, but pulling staples is a pain. I bought a box of thumb tacks with the plastic ends. Easy to put in and easy to take out. This is assuming you are using T-88 and don't need the pressure that Recorsinol requires. As far as small inconsistancies from 4 moulds, I clamp them all together in the end and run the belt sander over the whole lot. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ramler" Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs Group, so once everything has dried I can remove the staples? this is good info I am getting. So I understand this Once the gussets are stapled in place I can go ahead and remove the rib from jig and do another? I'm just checking to make sure I understand. Does hurt anything If I leave the staples in? Brain likes good info. take care, Ben ----- Original Message ---- From: Leon Stefan Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:40:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Ribs Congratulations Gene!! On ribs, use the Arrow JT-21 stapler. I prefurred Sears stapels. they had a sharp point. The Arrow stapels had more of a chissel point. After stapling gussets on one side, I found that I could pop the rib out of the jig, flip it and staple gussets on the other side. I found no need for the rib to cure in the jig.before removing it. It didn't deform. I made 3 ribs in one day back then. Staples can be removed with a stake knife . Make an extra rib to hang on the wall of your hangar..or garage..or your bedroom, in full view above the head board just in case you need to spice things up a little. The ribs are not a drudgery at all. I found them quite fun. Leon S. In Ks. Longing for sprig. Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold weather head gear From: "Don Emch" I wear a WWII leather helmet I bought on ebay and goggles from aircraft spruce. I actually have 2 different helmets. One has a brow flap and the other doesn't. Without the flap my forehead gets numb down into the forties. If you are looking for one make sure it has that flap, it makes a huge difference. With a few layers underneath, the good helmet, goggles and a thick lined leather coat with a big flip up collar I'm good down into the low 30's. Flew off of the snow a few days ago! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81171#81171 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:37 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear Gene One good addition is a hat liner for a cowboy hat to go under your helmet. You should be able to find them in a western wear store. They are Thinsulate. I wore mine under the hunting hat, kept nice and warm. Also, there are hand and foot warmer packs you can get, they are one time use, about $1 pair. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear Wondering what everyone is doing for cold weather flying head gear? How did you make it or where did you buy it and how good (or bad) would you rate it? Last weekend was down into the 30's and it was a little cool on my head ( my windscreen is too short or my body is too tall). If you made your own head gear, how about some photos and instructions on how you did it? Can you use a head set with it? When I owned an Avid I followed the Avid list and thought it was great. Doesn't hold a candle to this group. What a great bunch of dreamers and doers! I'm proud to be a member. Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:38 PM PST US From: "DOUGLAS BLACKBURN" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear Gene, Check out this link. It is in the UK, but it sure looks like nice equipment.... http://www.flyingjacket.com/ DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear Wondering what everyone is doing for cold weather flying head gear? How did you make it or where did you buy it and how good (or bad) would you rate it? Last weekend was down into the 30's and it was a little cool on my head ( my windscreen is too short or my body is too tall). If you made your own head gear, how about some photos and instructions on how you did it? Can you use a head set with it? When I owned an Avid I followed the Avid list and thought it was great. Doesn't hold a candle to this group. What a great bunch of dreamers and doers! I'm proud to be a member. Gene N502R www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:19 PM PST US From: "Eric Williams" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aircamper Valve Covers Maybe Pat Panzerra will trade you his "Air Camper" ones from his beautiful red show engine for another nice pair. I don't think he's going to put that on a Piet. Hmmm... I wrote that mostly in jest but, hey, you never know??? Eric >From: Tim Verthein >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aircamper Valve Covers >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:09:44 -0800 (PST) > > > >I just wrote to the fella who was selling them, and the reply I >received a week or so ago states: > >"I have stopped making the Air Camper valve covers. The foundry that >was casting them for me found out they were going on airplanes and >refused to make anymore" > >So, there ya go. Gonna be a long time till I need any, but really >wanted a pair! > >Tim in Bovey > >"I am wondering if the Corvair "Aircamper" valve covers are still >available. I called the number listed on : >http://users.aol.com/bpabpa7315/tm.html. , but it was disconnected. > > Thanks in advance for any help you can give." > >== >You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! >== > > >Have a burning question? >Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:05 PM PST US From: Malcolmbru@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: N174LS aircamper clarance Solmon watyertown Wisconsin any body know anything about this Gregg 1 built in 1994 and inspected by ANP jim stark 0r FAA rep Stephen Moe?? This peat ended up in Michigan and is now for sale. Irwin Davis may know something about this because he sold it to the present owner. you can send me a message off line if you want. Malcolm Brubaker current kit fox pilot and potential piet owner ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:33 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: movie inaccuracies done right--Airplane It's not very old, maybe a couple of months. I think it is a CBC production. ----- Original Message ----- From: harvey.rule@bell.ca To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 3:49 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: movie inaccuracies done right--Airplane I'll have to look for that one;I don't recall ever seeing it. Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 12/12/2006 11:17 PM ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-in From: "Don Emch" I talked to Forrest Barber a few days ago about Barber Airport and the EAA chapter hosting a Pietenpol Fly-in. He said it could be arranged for the Pietenpol guys to have their own gathering but he suggested it may be better to piggyback with another fly-in. In the past they have hosted the Taylorcraft Fly-in (Barber Airport, which is in Alliance, Ohio is very rich in Taylorcraft history) and the Ohio Aeronca Aviators Fly-in. These have been two separate fly-ins, however this year they are combining them into one. Forrest suggested we make it the Taylorcraft/Aeronca/Pietenpol Fly-in. By doing this we can count on the EAA chapter's breakfast on Saturday and Sunday and the Friday evening meal. The dates they have set for the fly-in are the weekend of July 6,7, and 8, 2007. I know it is a way off but maybe mark it on the calendar. There are hotels in Alliance and there is plenty of space for primitive camping on the field for both aircraft and rv's. Frank Pavliga hangars his Sky Gypsy Pietenpol there and I will have mine there. I'm sure with some arm twisting we could get others. Mike Cuy and Will Graff aren't too far. Shad Bell is within an hour and a half or so. It would be cool to have these guys because we could have Ford, Corvair, and Continental represented. We could even try to organize some type of forum/meeting if there is interest. Check out these websites; http://www.barberaircraft.com/ http://www.oaafly-in.com/ http://www.taylorcraft.org/ Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81187#81187 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:59 PM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear check out http://www.majorsurplusandsurvival.com/ go to products and search for clothing. then do search for goggles they have about 6 diferent kinds. somewhere in their catalog I have seen leather flying helmets as well though cant see to find any right now. cold weather face protection http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=0807551&Category_Code=149 russian flying goggles: http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MSS&Product_Code=0877971&Category_Code=23 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.