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1. 04:05 AM - Chock those Wheels & Tie 'Er Down (OT) (Tim Verthein)
2. 04:18 AM - Re: Have a wonderful holiday! (Phillips, Jack)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: Chock those Wheels & Tie 'Er Down (OT) (Gene & Tammy)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: Have a wonderful holiday! (Gene & Tammy)
5. 06:00 AM - Re: Cold weather head gear (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
6. 06:01 AM - realistic/Ohio gathering (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 06:03 AM - Re: Have a wonderful holiday! (Phillips, Jack)
8. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Cold weather head gear (Gene & Tammy)
9. 10:42 AM - Piet on Ebay (Brendan Carmody)
10. 01:13 PM - steam relief pipe for Ford "A" (Douwe Blumberg)
11. 01:49 PM - Re: Cold weather head gear (Gene & Tammy)
12. 01:51 PM - Re: Cold weather head gear (Gene & Tammy)
13. 02:52 PM - Re: realistic/Ohio gathering (Don Emch)
14. 03:07 PM - Re: steam relief pipe for Ford "A" (Jim Markle)
15. 08:18 PM - Re: Charlies ribs (Greg Bacon)
16. 10:05 PM - Re: Re: Aircamper Valve Covers (Gary Gower)
17. 10:50 PM - Re: Piet on Ebay (Catdesigns)
18. 11:26 PM - Re: steam relief pipe for Ford "A" (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Chock those Wheels & Tie 'Er Down (OT) |
No Piet content, but interesting story on the news wire this morning:
Pilot sees plane take off without him
A pilot watched in horror as his plane took off without him.
The airman, 70, saw it soar into the sky and do a loop before crashing,
reports the Mirror.
The unnamed pilot had clung on to the wing to prevent it taking off at
Barton Aerodrome, near Manchester, but lost his grip and fell off.
The drama began when the engine of the single-seater Luton LA4A cut out
while the plane taxied.
The pilot left the cockpit to restart the motor manually but
accidentally nudged the throttle lever open.
When he spun the propeller the engine roared into life and the plane
surged down the runaway leaving the flyer stranded.
The plane was severely damaged but the pilot escaped with cuts and
bruises.
An Air Accidents Investigation Branch investigation said the pilot did
not realise he had knocked the throttle on because he was wearing
padded clothing.
The plane is registered to Stephen Smith of Lancaster but he is not
believed to have been the pilot.
A Barton Aerodrome spokesman declined to comment.
Tim in Bovey
==
You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
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http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
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| Subject: | Have a wonderful holiday! |
Your deer season has ended? Come on down to North Carolina and get a
deer before he gets splattered on the highway. Our season runs through
New Year's Day (started in October, depending on which part of the state
you are in). Limit 2 per day, 6 per year, 2 of which must be does. I
put one in the freezer Thanksgiving morning, need 2 more to get me
through the next year. I rarely ever buy beef.
Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Have a wonderful holiday!
--> <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Thanks a lot Jim. Now that the season has ended, I had a similar scene
in
my back yard.
You all have a great Christmas too.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Have a wonderful holiday!
> Hey Navratil, there are 3 big deer grazing in my front yard as I type
> this....wish you were here!
>
> Here's wishing everyone on the list a great holiday season and
> Pietenpol
> dreams!
>
> Someone recently commented on what a great group this is.....and I
> agree.
>
>>From (as Tom Travis likes to call it....) Indian Territory,
>
> Jim
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chock those Wheels & Tie 'Er Down (OT) |
Tim,
Only pilots with starters would see any humor in this.
No starter Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Verthein" <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chock those Wheels & Tie 'Er Down (OT)
> <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
>
> No Piet content, but interesting story on the news wire this morning:
>
> Pilot sees plane take off without him
>
> A pilot watched in horror as his plane took off without him.
>
> The airman, 70, saw it soar into the sky and do a loop before crashing,
> reports the Mirror.
>
> The unnamed pilot had clung on to the wing to prevent it taking off at
> Barton Aerodrome, near Manchester, but lost his grip and fell off.
>
> The drama began when the engine of the single-seater Luton LA4A cut out
> while the plane taxied.
>
> The pilot left the cockpit to restart the motor manually but
> accidentally nudged the throttle lever open.
>
> When he spun the propeller the engine roared into life and the plane
> surged down the runaway leaving the flyer stranded.
>
> The plane was severely damaged but the pilot escaped with cuts and
> bruises.
>
> An Air Accidents Investigation Branch investigation said the pilot did
> not realise he had knocked the throttle on because he was wearing
> padded clothing.
>
> The plane is registered to Stephen Smith of Lancaster but he is not
> believed to have been the pilot.
>
> A Barton Aerodrome spokesman declined to comment.
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
>
> ==
> You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
> ==
>
>
> Want to start your own business?
> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Have a wonderful holiday! |
Jack, for crying out loud quit missing those deer! Your chasing all of them
up here to Tennessee and we don't want any more.
Are you going to be flying the Piet up here this summer?
Gene in Camden
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Have a wonderful holiday!
> <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>
> Your deer season has ended? Come on down to North Carolina and get a
> deer before he gets splattered on the highway. Our season runs through
> New Year's Day (started in October, depending on which part of the state
> you are in). Limit 2 per day, 6 per year, 2 of which must be does. I
> put one in the freezer Thanksgiving morning, need 2 more to get me
> through the next year. I rarely ever buy beef.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Jack Phillips
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
> Navratil
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:57 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Have a wonderful holiday!
>
>
> --> <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> Thanks a lot Jim. Now that the season has ended, I had a similar scene
> in
> my back yard.
> You all have a great Christmas too.
> Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> To: "Pietenpol-List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:53 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Have a wonderful holiday!
>
>
>> Hey Navratil, there are 3 big deer grazing in my front yard as I type
>> this....wish you were here!
>>
>> Here's wishing everyone on the list a great holiday season and
>> Pietenpol
>> dreams!
>>
>> Someone recently commented on what a great group this is.....and I
>> agree.
>>
>>>From (as Tom Travis likes to call it....) Indian Territory,
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>
>
> _________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cold weather head gear |
Gene
These seem to be the best deal going for clasic flying goggles.
cant imagine anyone cheaper and at 15$ you can't beat the price.
available in black or chrome frame.
http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MSS&Product_Code=023612&Category_Code=23
and
http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MSS&Product_Code=0256219&Category_Code=23
nomex pilot gloves:
http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MSS&Product_Code 7422&Category_Code=23
F16 Pilot Helmet
http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MSS&Product_Code=025682&Category_Code=23
or the chinese version with comm and oxigen/pressuresuit rig.
http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MSS&Product_Code=087624&Category_Code=23
if you sign up for their catalog youl get one a month and the items change
frequently, I have seen clasic aviator leather helmets for real cheap in the
past.
michael silvius
scarborough, maine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
> Michael,
> So much to check out! As I have more time I will go thru it all. Russian
> flying goggles would be great!
> Thanks
> Gene
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| Subject: | realistic/Ohio gathering |
In reading about the hopes of gathering some Piets for a fly-in next
summer in Ohio I can only conclude that even the best of
the best conditions and circumstances will yield probably only 4 Piets
maximum. If more show up, all the better but not many
owners out there willing to fly a 70 mph airplane cross country,
especially with avgas pushing $4 a gallon. Virgil Phillips tried to
host a Piet-centered MERFI fly-in at Marion last year and I half think
that not one showed up. Apologies if I'm mistaken though, please.
The most Piets I've ever seen in one place either occurs at the Waco Fly
in at Wynkoop Airport near Mt. Vernon or the Taylorcraft fly-in
at Barber Airport in Alliance, Ohio. Those would be the times/places
where you'd have the best chance of a gaggle.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Have a wonderful holiday! |
Doubtful, Gene. I'd like to fly it to Brodhead again, but I'll probably
fly the RV-4 this summer (takes too much vacation to fly the Piet). I
am planning to fly the Pietenpol to Sun 'n' Fun in April, though.
I'll be flying over you next week. Karen and I will fly the RV-4 to
Jackson, TN to spend Christmas with my Mom. If you get your cold
weather gear together and want to fly your Pietenpol to MKL let me know.
I'd like to see your plane. If you do, call me on my cellphone (919)
427-4440.
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
--> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
Jack, for crying out loud quit missing those deer! Your chasing all of
them
up here to Tennessee and we don't want any more.
Are you going to be flying the Piet up here this summer?
Gene in Camden
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| Subject: | Re: Cold weather head gear |
Shawn,
really great info! Just what I was looking for. I already have the
snowmachine balaclova with the flaps so all I need is the aviator cap.
I've not been able to find anything on the Richelieu Sportwear cap. The
Perroneleather.com site has some good looking ones but I'm more
interested in the Richelieu ones as you've aready coldweather proven
them
If you would have the time to pick up and mail me one I'll send the
money beforehand.
Contact me off list. zharvey@bellsouth.net
I'm really envious of your flying off the frozen lakes.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn Wolk
To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold weather head gear
Hello List,
I regularly fly in cold weather with my Piet up here in Canada.
I've experimented with lots of headgear. And I can assure you, this will
work as it's been tested to -14C or 6F.
A snowmobile style balaclava. Not the sewn wool ones, but the
polyester fabric. They usually have flaps on both the front and back
that go into your coat. This insulates your neck, and they are thin
enough on top for another layer. They also will wick away the moisture
to your next layer. Then on top a work wear type aviator style cap.
These are made with a heavy cotton duck outer shell, and are lined with
insulating polyester and then smooth fabric lined. If you want to use a
headset. Cut out holes on each side just a wee bit smaller than the
headset seals. The idea is for the headset to kind a snap in at the
headset seal cut-outs. When I made mine I had piping sewn in to stiffen
up the shape of the hole and make better sealing. The balaclava
underneath fits tight enough that the headset still works to keep things
quiet. Ant other system that I have tried. Including a hardhat liner
instead of the bella clave were inefficient. The multiple layers around
the ear section allowed noise to come in.
The specific aviator cap work wear item is made by Richelieu
Sportwear here in Winnipeg MB. Usually retails for less than $20.00 CDN.
If you cannot find one locally I can send you one. The snowmobile bella
clava is available from snowmobile specialty shops. Often they will have
a double layer in the area that wouldn't be covered by a helmet. Some
will also have a flap that covers the nose and mouth. With one of these
models, after goggles are put on there is no exposed skin. My Piet has a
fairly large windscreen, so I find the coldest part was the back of the
neck area. Must be a vortex of air blasting back there. That is why I
chose a balaclava with the insulated flap (outside of the area a helmet
would cover). If you cannot find one of those, a scarf would do the same
thing. Just much clumsier to put on.
The ice on the lakes here in Southern Manitoba is thick enough for
ski flying operations now. So I have already been logging the hours. You
can't beat the smooth air and excellent performance of the cold crisp
air.
Shawn Wolk
C-FRAZ 1933 Pietenpol Aircamper
Winnipeg, MB
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Anyone familiar with the Corvair-powered Piet offered on Ebay -- N174LS? Being
offered by someone in MI, but the FAA database indicates it was/is registered
to a Clarence Salmon in WI -- since May 18, 1992. Apparently, he was the builder.
Chap offering it on Ebay seems evasive (to me) about providing salient
details like: When was it last flown? When was the last condition inspection?
Will he put the wings back on and make it airworthy for the purchaser?
I think I'd like to own and fly a Piet -- maybe this one -- but I'm building
a Mermaid amphibian and don't need another project.
Brendan Carmody in Fresno CA
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| Subject: | steam relief pipe for Ford "A" |
Don,
I have a Dan Price head and we've tapped the front of it for the steam
tube. I don't think I've ever seen one welded. I would not really
recommend welding it for two reasons, firstly aluminum takes so much
heat to weld I'm afraid it could possibly warp the head, and secondly
it's just not needed when one can drill and tap it so easily. Be sure
to get it up near the front so it relieves that steam pocket that forms.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Cold weather head gear |
Thanks Jim. It is a really site.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jdavis2a@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear
Go to: perroneleather.com. They have about any type of leather or
cloth helmet you could want. A little pricy but the best. I have a set
of leather for winter and cloth for summer. They also have lots of
other aviation leather stuff. JIM
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| Subject: | Re: Cold weather head gear |
Thanks Michael, I signed up today.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cold weather head gear
> <M.Silvius@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Gene
>>> if you sign up for their catalog youl get one a month and the items
>>> change
> frequently, I have seen clasic aviator leather helmets for real cheap in
> the
> past.
>
> michael silvius
> scarborough, maine
>
>
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: realistic/Ohio gathering |
Mike,
I completely agree. Unfortunately the specific type fly-ins are dwindling in size
over the past couple of years. I think there are several reasons for this,
which makes me wonder how much of a stand alone Piet turn out there would be.
A place like Brodhead has other obvious attractions that keep people coming
back. A new stand alone Pietenpol fly-in probably would not have much of an
attraction if there was the thought of only a couple of planes showing up. However
if people have the idea that maybe there would be other types then they
may be more inclined to come. At least if there were very few Pietenpols, at
least there would be other types to enjoy. I agree and think Waco or T-craft
would be the time and place.
Don Emch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81596#81596
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| Subject: | Re: steam relief pipe for Ford "A" |
Hey Don,
Let me know if you do decide to have it welded. My brother in opening a welding
shop and does aluminum (and titanium and steel, etc). His aluminum welding
is the best I've seen. He used to weld titanium on F14 wing pivots...he's good!
JM in NE Oklahoma
-----Original Message-----
>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Dec 14, 2006 3:15 PM
>To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: steam relief pipe for Ford "A"
>
>Don,
>
>I have a Dan Price head and we've tapped the front of it for the steam tube.
I don't think I've ever seen one welded. I would not really recommend welding
it for two reasons, firstly aluminum takes so much heat to weld I'm afraid it
could possibly warp the head, and secondly it's just not needed when one can
drill and tap it so easily. Be sure to get it up near the front so it relieves
that steam pocket that forms.
>
>Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Charlies ribs |
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charlies ribsThe set of ribs I purchase from Charlie
in late 2004 are made from Western Red Cedar.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
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| Subject: | Re: Aircamper Valve Covers |
We do aluminum castings in our factory...
Just need to test how much the freight and any export paperwork could cost, They
will be of very good quality.,
If I can get a temporary sample... to make the plug, do a batch and see how
much will cost to get them to any city in USA... Could be with ircamper" and
another ones later with "FlyCorvair".....
Just and idea. Probably could work. What do you think?
Recently freight cost here are going down, lots of competition... I have a friend
in the freight bussiness and was joking that now is Cheaping instead of shipping
:-) :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
DJ Vegh <dj@veghdesign.com> wrote: wow... I'm glad I got mine when I did!
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietsrneat@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aircamper Valve Covers
In a message dated 12/12/2006 6:12:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, minoxphotographer@yahoo.com
writes:
I just wrote to the fella who was selling them, and the reply I
received a week or so ago states:
"I have stopped making the Air Camper valve covers. The foundry that
was casting them for me found out they were going on airplanes and
refused to make anymore"
So, there ya go. Gonna be a long time till I need any, but really
wanted a pair!
Tim in Bovey
This is exactly why, when I farm out any work, I lie and tell them it is
for something other than an aircraft or that the part will be used on a static
display.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on Ebay |
I seem to remember this was for sale on Ebay quite a while ago, maybe
early summer. Same description same pictures as I recall.
Don't know any thing else, sorry
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Brendan Carmody
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on Ebay
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| Subject: | Re: steam relief pipe for Ford "A" |
Where do you put the train whistle?
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: steam relief pipe for Ford "A"
Don,
I have a Dan Price head and we've tapped the front of it for the steam
tube. I don't think I've ever seen one welded. I would not really
recommend welding it for two reasons, firstly aluminum takes so much
heat to weld I'm afraid it could possibly warp the head, and secondly
it's just not needed when one can drill and tap it so easily. Be sure
to get it up near the front so it relieves that steam pocket that forms.
Douwe
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