---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/04/07: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:05 AM - Re: skis (walt evans) 2. 05:54 AM - Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (Gene & Tammy) 3. 07:43 AM - Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. (Robert Gow) 4. 08:05 AM - Re: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. (Hans Vander Voort) 5. 09:09 AM - What paint to use? (HelsperSew@aol.com) 6. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Root Rib - 3 Piece Wing (Steve Eldredge) 7. 09:26 AM - Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (Steve Ruse) 8. 09:27 AM - Re: What paint to use? (Hans Vander Voort) 9. 09:36 AM - Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (Dick Navratil) 10. 09:38 AM - Re: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. (Robert Gow) 11. 09:44 AM - Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (Hans Vander Voort) 12. 09:49 AM - Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (Gene & Tammy) 13. 10:03 AM - Maximum prop diameter (GeneWeber) 14. 10:35 AM - cooling eyebrows (Oscar Zuniga) 15. 10:38 AM - skis (Oscar Zuniga) 16. 11:15 AM - Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (Tim Willis) 17. 11:38 AM - Re: skis (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 18. 02:18 PM - Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (Gene & Tammy) 19. 02:19 PM - Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (Gene & Tammy) 20. 02:57 PM - Re: skis (Don Emch) 21. 03:30 PM - thinking ahead when flying with skiis (walt evans) 22. 04:58 PM - Re: rib stiching advice (Mike Luther) 23. 05:08 PM - Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (Mike Luther) 24. 05:47 PM - Re: What paint to use? (Mike Luther) 25. 05:53 PM - Eyebrows (Isablcorky@aol.com) 26. 06:12 PM - Re: thinking ahead when flying with skiis (Clif Dawson) 27. 06:13 PM - J3 eyebrows (Rcaprd@aol.com) 28. 11:43 PM - Re: Eyebrows (Mike Luther) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:55 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: skis I had made skiis for a Kolb U/L years ago out of old wood water skiis. Fabricating the mount from 4130 tubing. They worked really well. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: skis > > > Don wrote- > >>Thinking about some homemade wooden skis now! Just need that snow. > > When I lived in Oregon, I thought about skis to extend the year and to > open up some possibilities for flying off of areas that are beautiful in > winter but impossible to get to in a car or truck. Skis came to mind. A > lot of my "stuff" has been purchased at flea markets and pawn shops, such > as my ski boots, ski poles, skis, camp stove, tents, tools, and lots of > other stuff. What I saw in the pawn shop that intrigued me were > snowboards that are several years old, nobody wants to be caught dead on > the slopes with them, cost less than $50 apiece but seem like they would > be perfect for skis for a light plane. I could be wrong, but it would > seem like a pair of snowboards (matched pair) with some fabricated mounts > could work for a light plane. > > Never got around to experimenting with the idea, and Texas doesn't seem to > have much snow ;o) Maybe over on the Monahans sand dunes-? > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Fixing up the home? Live Search can help > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:05 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Thanks to all for the great Ideas on how to secure your plane while hand proping. Having been a sailor for many years and even having some on hand, I'm going to try the snapshackle idea first. Don't know why I hadn't thought of it my self. Now on to my next question. Does anyone have any ideas on the best place to get the J3 eyebrows that are used on the A65? Has anyone made their own J3 eyebrows? If so, please share how you formed them. Aircraft Spruce has them but they want about $500 for a pair. Thanks Gene N502R Tennessee ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:19 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. I`m interested in Cart`s Pietenpol but there are some issues importing it to Canada. My first contact with the inspectors here was not as good as I had hoped. The tell me I'll need a pre-cover inspection if I want to import it and finish the project in Canada. That means removing the fabric. I do not want to rip the fabric off this airplane to get it inspected. Or, as a finished aircraft, the aircraft must have a 100 hours on it before it can be imported. Does anyone have an idea how to avoid this? Perhaps I could complete it or have it completed as a US aircraft and fly it under US registry for the first 100 hours. But can you register a US aircraft to a non-citizen/ non-resident? Or perhaps I can get the pre-cover inspection waived if there is evidence of an FAA pre-cover inspection. Is there a precedent for this? Or I can look into ultra-light classification but I do not believe I could carry a passenger which is not acceptable to me. Bob ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. From: Hans Vander Voort Robert, You can register a US aircraft to a noncitizen, but he or she must be a resident of the US (aircraft can be outside US) Most builders in the US use EAA Tech counselors during the building process. These Tech counselors do at least three inspections (two of them pre-cover) and file a form with the EAA of this inspection. The builder usually gets a copy of this form. If you can't find it in the builders logs/receipts , perhaps the EAA or the Tech counselor that did the inspection can help. This form recording the inspection might not be sufficient to import in to Canada, but is worth a try. Hans "Robert Gow" To Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. 01/04/2007 09:42 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com I`m interested in Cart`s Pietenpol but there are some issues importing it to Canada. My first contact with the inspectors here was not as good as I had hoped. The tell me I'll need a pre-cover inspection if I want to import it and finish the project in Canada. That means removing the fabric. I do not want to rip the fabric off this airplane to get it inspected. Or, as a finished aircraft, the aircraft must have a 100 hours on it before it can be imported. Does anyone have an idea how to avoid this? Perhaps I could complete it or have it completed as a US aircraft and fly it under US registry for the first 100 hours. But can you register a US aircraft to a non-citizen/ non-resident? Or perhaps I can get the pre-cover inspection waived if there is evidence of an FAA pre-cover inspection. Is there a precedent for this? Or I can look into ultra-light classification but I do not believe I could carry a passenger which is not acceptable to me. Bob ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:02 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: What paint to use? Hi Guys, I am wondering what type of paint (final color) to use on the many steel fittings on the Piet. I am worried about the glues and thinners that are used during the Polyfiber covering process. I would appreciate any suggestions based on experience. Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib - 3 Piece Wing From: "Steve Eldredge" Speaking of the 2" wide ply, I did mine per plans, and it buckled after a while right at the spars. The constant pull of the fabric loosened the joint between the rib and the spar and the 2" wide ply didn't have enough rigidity to keep things straight. The fix was to add a block of wood to the top and bottom of each spar to increase the gluing surface area so the rib would not slip toward the wing-tip. I had an elaborate fixture to pull things back into place during the re-gluing. If I were to build another, I would just put a 1/4" wide, strip between the root-most and second rib, top and bottom front and rear to prevent this in the future. It is much more difficult retrofitting with the fabric on. Steve E -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib - 3 Piece Wing Glen, The ribs with the vertical sticks go both on the tip and the root ribs. The root ribs also get the 2" wide ply,(very important) this stops the root rib from distorting sideways, and pulling toward the tip. This stops the fabric that changes direction, not to distort the rib. (the fabric has GREAT strength,) and when you taughten the fabric, you'll hear creaks and groans. You need a nice straight root rib to match up to your center section, so you can fit the alum. seal between the two. (I used roof flashing from Home Depot, on a roll.) walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Thomas" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib - 3 Piece Wing > > > Peter, > Thanks for the response. Picture shows me exactly what I was wondering > about. > > Question: Do the ribs with the vertical members go on the wing tip end AND > the root? I see them in your picture on the root ribs. I've got 15 ribs > to go and I'm trying to figure out how many of them are of the > non-standard type (different gussets, vertical truss members, etc.) since > once the standard ones are done changes will need to be made to the jig. > > Great site, thanks! > > -------- > Glenn Thomas > N????? > http://www.flyingwood.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85154#85154 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:59 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Someone on Barnstormers sells new eyebrows for $350/pair. They look pretty good to me. You might check with Legend Aircraft Company too, makers of the Legend Cub. Their cub has an O-200, but I bet the eyebrows are the same as those on the A-65. I've never heard of them selling parts, but they are really nice guys, and might be willing to do it. If you hear anything from them let us know, I've got one of my eyebrows off right now to be welded. I have no idea how well a weld will hold, but I'm giving it a shot. http://www.legend.aero/ Steve Ruse Norman, OK Quoting Gene & Tammy : > Thanks to all for the great Ideas on how to secure your plane while > hand proping. Having been a sailor for many years and even having > some on hand, I'm going to try the snapshackle idea first. Don't > know why I hadn't thought of it my self. > Now on to my next question. Does anyone have any ideas on the best > place to get the J3 eyebrows that are used on the A65? Has anyone > made their own J3 eyebrows? If so, please share how you formed > them. Aircraft Spruce has them but they want about $500 for a pair. > Thanks > Gene > N502R > Tennessee ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What paint to use? From: Hans Vander Voort Dan, Smart Alec answer : black paint, least amount of pigments and thus the lightest. All kidding aside: Polyfiber recommends to use there (high $$) epoxy primer, the final color will be what you spray on the covering. I used Home depot Krylon spray can stuff , no negative effects with the Polyfiber products. Just remember not to clean the Krylon painted parts excessively with MEK. (paint will come of again) Hans HelsperSew@aol.co m Sent by: To owner-pietenpol-l pietenpol-list@matronics.com ist-server@matron cc ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: What paint to use? 01/04/2007 11:07 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Hi Guys, I am wondering what type of paint (final color) to use on the many steel fittings on the Piet. I am worried about the glues and thinners that are used during the Polyfiber covering process. I would appreciate any suggestions based on experience. Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:41 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Gene I made them myself, they really aren't very hard. I made them from .024 6061 T6 aluminum. That wasn't the most ideal stock, but I had extra laying around. I used #10 copper wire to roll in the leading edge, that also helped in forming the hump. You will need to form the rear section and bend to shape. The rear section gets rivited to the upper housing. I also doubled the thickness on the section that attaches to the cylinders. This will make more sense if you see a close up pic. I will be going back to the hangar tomorrow and will take a couple. Contact me direct so I can send them off list. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Thanks to all for the great Ideas on how to secure your plane while hand proping. Having been a sailor for many years and even having some on hand, I'm going to try the snapshackle idea first. Don't know why I hadn't thought of it my self. Now on to my next question. Does anyone have any ideas on the best place to get the J3 eyebrows that are used on the A65? Has anyone made their own J3 eyebrows? If so, please share how you formed them. Aircraft Spruce has them but they want about $500 for a pair. Thanks Gene N502R Tennessee ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:20 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. Thanks I'll try that approach. It's rather annoying when you have two regulatory bodies in adjacent 1st world countries which cannot seem to recognize each others paperwork. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hans Vander Voort Sent: January 4, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. Robert, You can register a US aircraft to a noncitizen, but he or she must be a resident of the US (aircraft can be outside US) Most builders in the US use EAA Tech counselors during the building process. These Tech counselors do at least three inspections (two of them pre-cover) and file a form with the EAA of this inspection. The builder usually gets a copy of this form. If you can't find it in the builders logs/receipts , perhaps the EAA or the Tech counselor that did the inspection can help. This form recording the inspection might not be sufficient to import in to Canada, but is worth a try. Hans "Robert Gow" To Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. 01/04/2007 09:42 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com I`m interested in Cart`s Pietenpol but there are some issues importing it to Canada. My first contact with the inspectors here was not as good as I had hoped. The tell me I'll need a pre-cover inspection if I want to import it and finish the project in Canada. That means removing the fabric. I do not want to rip the fabric off this airplane to get it inspected. Or, as a finished aircraft, the aircraft must have a 100 hours on it before it can be imported. Does anyone have an idea how to avoid this? Perhaps I could complete it or have it completed as a US aircraft and fly it under US registry for the first 100 hours. But can you register a US aircraft to a non-citizen/ non-resident? Or perhaps I can get the pre-cover inspection waived if there is evidence of an FAA pre-cover inspection. Is there a precedent for this? Or I can look into ultra-light classification but I do not believe I could carry a passenger which is not acceptable to me. Bob ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows From: Hans Vander Voort Gene, Expand your search Aeronca Champ, Taylorcraft and J3 all have the same type of "eyebrow" $500 seems excessive for something you can easily make yourself for a lot less. I made my own for my Corvair ( I call them Cooling ears) http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/fileslist2.cfm?AlbumID=74 Different dimension but same concept. Most important is the "scoop" dimension, measure a J3's and make a card board prototype template. Transfer this to Aluminum sheet, cut, drill, bend and pop rivet and your done. Hans ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:39 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Thanks Steve, I'll give that a try. Mine have so many stress cracks that I don't think I'll try welding them (They are home made). Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ruse" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows > > > Someone on Barnstormers sells new eyebrows for $350/pair. They look > pretty good to me. > > You might check with Legend Aircraft Company too, makers of the Legend > Cub. Their cub has an O-200, but I bet the eyebrows are the same as > those on the A-65. I've never heard of them selling parts, but they are > really nice guys, and might be willing to do it. If you hear anything > from them let us know, I've got one of my eyebrows off right now to be > welded. I have no idea how well a weld will hold, but I'm giving it a > shot. > http://www.legend.aero/ > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Maximum prop diameter From: "GeneWeber" Hi Folks, Can anyone give me some insight as to a safe maximum prop diameter for a Piet? Safe is sometimes in the eye of the beholder, so if you can give me an idea of the prop clearance with flat tires and suspension bottomed out that would help. Ive never flown a FW, so that needs to be considered (I.E. I could certainly do something bone headed before I gain experience). Im giving some serious consideration to building a Pietenpol. I built a gyroplane, and would now like to do a two place aircraft in wood. I prefer woodworking, and the Pietenpol looks like a good beginner project. The biggest expense item is the engine, so to get a decent cost estimate Id like to first figure out which engine. Largest diameter prop where the tips can be kept in the sonic region is the most efficient. Hence my question as a starting point. Then I can figure out what engine has the desired HP at the appropriate RPM (and wont exceed my limited budget). In just poking around so far the Corvair seems like a light & cost effective choice, but limits prop length due to direct drive. Subaru seems like a cost effective choice and reduction units are used, but its on the heavy side. If I win some money Im buying a Rotec radial [Mr. Green] Thanks & Regards, Gene Weber Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85430#85430 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:48 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cooling eyebrows There was a set of cardboard templates of the J-3 cooling eyebrows making the rounds about a year ago. I think they were taken from the templates that Mike Cuy used to make his from. Anybody know where they are now? Sounds like it could save somebody a few $$ and plenty of time not having to reverse-engineer them. I have plenty of photographs of the eyebrows on 41CC thanks to Corky's documentation of the construction process. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:14 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: skis For a couple of photos of some very simple wooden skis taken off an Avid Flyer, check out the last two photos on this page: http://www.flysquirrel.net/M19float.html Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:41 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Hans, I like your drawings. Thanks. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Hans Vander Voort >Sent: Jan 4, 2007 12:44 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows > > >Gene, > >Expand your search Aeronca Champ, Taylorcraft and J3 all have the same type >of "eyebrow" > >$500 seems excessive for something you can easily make yourself for a lot >less. > >I made my own for my Corvair ( I call them Cooling ears) >http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/fileslist2.cfm?AlbumID=74 >Different dimension but same concept. > >Most important is the "scoop" dimension, measure a J3's and make a card >board prototype template. >Transfer this to Aluminum sheet, cut, drill, bend and pop rivet and your >done. > >Hans > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:56 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: skis Oscar: This is a drawing that came with my Jodel project. The idea of using a snow board had crossed my mind. Michael in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: skis > > For a couple of photos of some very simple wooden skis taken off an Avid > Flyer, check out the last two photos on this page: > http://www.flysquirrel.net/M19float.html ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:19 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Thanks for your efforts Dick. Looking forward to the photo's. Gene zharvey@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Gene I made them myself, they really aren't very hard. I made them from .024 6061 T6 aluminum. That wasn't the most ideal stock, but I had extra laying around. I used #10 copper wire to roll in the leading edge, that also helped in forming the hump. You will need to form the rear section and bend to shape. The rear section gets rivited to the upper housing. I also doubled the thickness on the section that attaches to the cylinders. This will make more sense if you see a close up pic. I will be going back to the hangar tomorrow and will take a couple. Contact me direct so I can send them off list. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Thanks to all for the great Ideas on how to secure your plane while hand proping. Having been a sailor for many years and even having some on hand, I'm going to try the snapshackle idea first. Don't know why I hadn't thought of it my self. Now on to my next question. Does anyone have any ideas on the best place to get the J3 eyebrows that are used on the A65? Has anyone made their own J3 eyebrows? If so, please share how you formed them. Aircraft Spruce has them but they want about $500 for a pair. Thanks Gene N502R Tennessee href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:04 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Thank you Hans, that helps a lot. Gene N502lR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Vander Voort" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows > > > Gene, > > Expand your search Aeronca Champ, Taylorcraft and J3 all have the same > type > of "eyebrow" > > $500 seems excessive for something you can easily make yourself for a lot > less. > > I made my own for my Corvair ( I call them Cooling ears) > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/fileslist2.cfm?AlbumID=74 > Different dimension but same concept. > > Most important is the "scoop" dimension, measure a J3's and make a card > board prototype template. > Transfer this to Aluminum sheet, cut, drill, bend and pop rivet and your > done. > > Hans > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: skis From: "Don Emch" Hi Michael, The Jodel ski drawing looks very interesting. Do you think I could bother you for another larger picture emailed to me. I unfortunately can't make it out very good. Thanks in advance! Don Emch EmchAir@aol.com NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85491#85491 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:36 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: thinking ahead when flying with skiis Learned one amazing thing when flying with skiis on a Kolb U/L. Got talking with the old timers at the airport, and found out some basic things about flying on skiis, that I never would have thought of. You know how you pick up the tail and spin it around to go out for another flight? If you do that to a plane on skiis, you'll twist the landing gear off, destroy it. Think of it,,,all the leverage of you on the tail, twisting, and the skiis don't move. A pilot flying on skiis must taxi into an area and figure in advance what big looping circle he can make to get out. Just remember "you can drive it on the skiis, you can't turn the plane on the skiis" Also when you get in the plane that has been sitting on the snow for awhile, will freeze to the ground. When you are ready to go, you work the rudder, to break the skiis lose. While wiggling the tail, soon you'll feel one ski break, then the other. Now keep moving. And you must wax them too. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:01 PM PST US From: Mike Luther Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib stiching advice Chuck G. 500 stitches in the 3 piece wing plus the ( Optional ?) ones that I am doing in the Tail-feathers. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib stiching advice > In a message dated 1/3/2007 2:57:00 PM Central Standard Time, > luther@gci.net > writes: > Douwe, > Thanks for the additional advice, I finished lacing both wings > last Monday > "New Years Day". I worked alone and used four needles. I stood > the wing up > and had plenty of light on both sides of the wing to help look > through the wing > to see the hole on the other side. > Mike > Mike, > Did you happen to count how many stiches you put in ? I seem to > remember I > put almost 500 stiches in my one piece wing. > > Chuck G. > NX770CG > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:05 PM PST US From: Mike Luther Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Gene, I got a used set of eyebrows off of E-bay about 4 years ago for $75.00. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows > Thanks to all for the great Ideas on how to secure your plane > while hand proping. Having been a sailor for many years and even > having some on hand, I'm going to try the snapshackle idea first. > Don't know why I hadn't thought of it my self. > Now on to my next question. Does anyone have any ideas on the > best place to get the J3 eyebrows that are used on the A65? Has > anyone made their own J3 eyebrows? If so, please share how you > formed them. Aircraft Spruce has them but they want about $500 > for a pair. > Thanks > Gene > N502R > Tennessee ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:55 PM PST US From: Mike Luther Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What paint to use? Hi Dan, Poly -Fiber two part catalyzed Epoxy is white and after a 7 day cure time is extremely durable, $o, my $teel fitting$, landing gear, $trut$, and motor mount is white. Any cracking will show up really well if the metal is a light color. The primary solvent in the Poly-Fiber process ,MEK, won't damage this finish at all. Mike Luther ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: What paint to use? > Hi Guys, > > I am wondering what type of paint (final color) to use on the many > steel > fittings on the Piet. I am worried about the glues and thinners > that are used > during the Polyfiber covering process. I would appreciate any > suggestions > based on experience. Thanks. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:26 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Pieters, I promised sometimes back that I would never add or subtract to this list but after reading those messages concerning "eyebrows" I just couldn't restrain myself. I cannot believe that a man would endeavor to build a Piet or any other airplane who did not posess the abilities to fabricate such simple parts as the eyebrows. He should maybe try making footstools or magazine holders. That is such a simple task. Believe me when I say, if I can do it anyone can. Don't expect a finish product on the first try but boy you will really learn each time you try. Aluminum and rivets are really cheap, your pride and dignity are expensive. Haven't tried to accuse, embass or otherwise. But I hope I have encouraged you to try Corky, an old Pieter ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:18 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: thinking ahead when flying with skiis Once you've stopped, lay 10 mil poly down in front of plane and push skiis onto that. ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: piet list Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: thinking ahead when flying with skiis Also when you get in the plane that has been sitting on the snow for awhile, will freeze to the ground. When you are ready to go, you work the rudder, to break the skiis lose. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:12 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: J3 eyebrows In a message dated 1/4/2007 7:55:55 AM Central Standard Time, zharvey@bellsouth.net writes: Does anyone have any ideas on the best place to get the J3 eyebrows that are used on the A65? Has anyone made their own J3 eyebrows? If so, please share how you formed them. Gene, I made my eyebrows from a traced drawing I made of the eyebrows from a J3 Cub, that was apart for annual. Rivet locations, cutouts, small deflectors inside the eyebrows, and spark plug holes are on the tracings. I rolled an aluminum welding rod in for the leading edge of the eyebrows. I made copies of these tracings at Kinko's. Flip the drawing over to make the other side. There are some pictures at the bottom of the page of my web site: http://nx770cg.com/EngProp.html For $5 for shipping and copying costs, and I'll send it to you in a business size envelope. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:18 PM PST US From: Mike Luther Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows I hear you loud and clear. I think that I will read it again so that I don't miss anything important. Can't wait to see you in person and check out your airplane. Mike Luther ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows > Pieters, I promised sometimes back that I would never add or > subtract to > this list but I lied and after reading those messages concerning "eyebrows" I > just did not even try to > restrain myself. > > I cannot believe that a man or an idiot would endeavor to build a Piet or any > other > airplane who did not possess an oppossing thumb and forefinger and the abilities to fabricate such simple > parts as the > eyebrows. He should maybe try making footstools or magazine > holders or go back to finger painting. That is > such a simple task. Believe me when I say, if you don't understand I can't help you. Don't > expect a finish product on the first try but boy you will really > learn each time you find a really good deal and are one step closer to flying what > you try. Aluminum and rivets and your feelings are really cheap, your pride and > dignity are > expensive and easy enough to step on. > > Haven't tried to accuse, embass or otherwise spell correctly. But I hope I have > encouraged > you to try > > Corky, an old Pieter > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.