---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/05/07: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:01 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 01/04/07 (Bill Weir) 2. 05:54 AM - painting metal fittings (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 01/04/07 (Robert Gow) 4. 06:28 AM - Re: thinking ahead when flying with skis (Robert Gow) 5. 09:15 AM - eyebrow patterns (Jim Cooper) 6. 09:15 AM - eyebrow patterns (Jim Cooper) 7. 09:18 AM - Re: rib construction (Ben Ramler) 8. 09:40 AM - Fw: Eyebrows (Isablcorky@aol.com) 9. 09:58 AM - Re: Eyebrows (Isablcorky@aol.com) 10. 11:04 AM - Re: Eyebrows (Gene & Tammy) 11. 11:21 AM - Re: Eyebrows (Phillips, Jack) 12. 11:22 AM - Re: Eyebrows (Isablcorky@aol.com) 13. 11:44 AM - Re: Eyebrows (Gene & Tammy) 14. 11:47 AM - Re: Eyebrows (Gene & Tammy) 15. 12:06 PM - eyebrows and tough love (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 16. 12:46 PM - An apology (Isablcorky@aol.com) 17. 12:53 PM - Re: eyebrows and tough love (Gene & Tammy) 18. 12:58 PM - Re: An apology (Gene & Tammy) 19. 12:58 PM - here pretty horsey (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 20. 01:03 PM - Re: An apology (Phillips, Jack) 21. 01:10 PM - Re: An apology (Isablcorky@aol.com) 22. 01:22 PM - Re: here pretty horsey (Jack T. Textor) 23. 01:27 PM - what about OSU ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 24. 01:30 PM - Re: here pretty horsey (walt evans) 25. 02:59 PM - Re: what about OSU ? (Rcaprd@aol.com) 26. 05:00 PM - Re: what about OSU ? (Ben Charvet) 27. 06:02 PM - Re: eyebrow patterns (Gene & Tammy) 28. 08:37 PM - Re: eyebrow patterns (KMHeide) 29. 08:49 PM - Re: eyebrow patterns (KMHeide) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:59 AM PST US From: "Bill Weir" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 01/04/07 To Robert Gow, To importing amateur built a/c into Canada. If the plane has 100 hours then it comes in without difficulty. I think the process has been given to MDRA at 1-519-457-2909. To be sure give RAA CANADA a call it 1-905-638-1359 Tues, Wed, or Thurs and they will lead you to the process. If you care to contact me I can lead you to someone who has recently imported a Kitfox. Bill Weir > Time: 07:43:19 AM PST US > From: "Robert Gow" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. > > I`m interested in Cart`s Pietenpol but there are some issues importing it > to > Canada. My first contact with the inspectors here was not as good as I > had > hoped. The tell me I'll need a pre-cover inspection if I want to import > it > and finish the project in Canada. That means removing the fabric. I do > not want to rip the fabric off this airplane to get it inspected. > > Or, as a finished aircraft, the aircraft must have a 100 hours on it > before > it can be imported. > > Does anyone have an idea how to avoid this? > > Perhaps I could complete it or have it completed as a US aircraft and fly > it > under US registry for the first 100 hours. But can you register a US > aircraft to a non-citizen/ non-resident? > > Or perhaps I can get the pre-cover inspection waived if there is evidence > of > an FAA pre-cover inspection. Is there a precedent for this? > > Or I can look into ultra-light classification but I do not believe I could > carry a passenger which is not acceptable to me. > > Bob > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: painting metal fittings From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Dan-- the IA/ A&P guys who helped me paint my airplane suggested cleaning with MEK, spray can zinc chromate followed by an enamel that matches your fabric color. We protected the protruding metal fittings during fabric treatment/paint with masking tape then painted them after all the fabric work was complete. In my case we used Randolph dopes for the fabric and matching Randolph enamels for the metal parts. Etching was done on all the aluminum sheet parts, cowl, cockpit area covers, etc. prior to zinc chromate and painting. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:10 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 01/04/07 Thanks. But of course this on is mostly done and mostly covered but has never flown. So the best way is to find away around cutting the fabric off for a pre-cover inspection. I've asked for any FAA or EAA inspection forms. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Weir Sent: January 5, 2007 8:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 01/04/07 To Robert Gow, To importing amateur built a/c into Canada. If the plane has 100 hours then it comes in without difficulty. I think the process has been given to MDRA at 1-519-457-2909. To be sure give RAA CANADA a call it 1-905-638-1359 Tues, Wed, or Thurs and they will lead you to the process. If you care to contact me I can lead you to someone who has recently imported a Kitfox. Bill Weir > Time: 07:43:19 AM PST US > From: "Robert Gow" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. > > I`m interested in Cart`s Pietenpol but there are some issues importing it > to > Canada. My first contact with the inspectors here was not as good as I > had > hoped. The tell me I'll need a pre-cover inspection if I want to import > it > and finish the project in Canada. That means removing the fabric. I do > not want to rip the fabric off this airplane to get it inspected. > > Or, as a finished aircraft, the aircraft must have a 100 hours on it > before > it can be imported. > > Does anyone have an idea how to avoid this? > > Perhaps I could complete it or have it completed as a US aircraft and fly > it > under US registry for the first 100 hours. But can you register a US > aircraft to a non-citizen/ non-resident? > > Or perhaps I can get the pre-cover inspection waived if there is evidence > of > an FAA pre-cover inspection. Is there a precedent for this? > > Or I can look into ultra-light classification but I do not believe I could > carry a passenger which is not acceptable to me. > > Bob > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:17 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: thinking ahead when flying with skis Ran a Chief on skis for years. They are not that hard to turn on skis. I've even landed on wet grass in the spring when the sun burned off the light snow covering. As for sticking to the snow; if you land in the bush just rip off a couple of pine branches and stick them under the skis. Since the lakes were great for doing touch and goes and chasing sleds you would need to carry a couple of pieces of firewood with you to prop the airplane up on so it didn't stick to the snow if it was parked for a while (like when you taxied up to a winter fair in Barrie or Penatang) One other point to consider. If it's one of those dead cold (-40) sunny days and you shut down in the middle on no place miles from another human being, make sure you know how to get it started in that kind of temperature. It can be disconcerting to watch the sun setting while you are desperately propping an old plane in the middle of a frozen lake. It would be a damn cold night. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: January 4, 2007 6:32 PM To: piet list Subject: Pietenpol-List: thinking ahead when flying with skiis Learned one amazing thing when flying with skiis on a Kolb U/L. Got talking with the old timers at the airport, and found out some basic things about flying on skiis, that I never would have thought of. You know how you pick up the tail and spin it around to go out for another flight? If you do that to a plane on skiis, you'll twist the landing gear off, destroy it. Think of it,,,all the leverage of you on the tail, twisting, and the skiis don't move. A pilot flying on skiis must taxi into an area and figure in advance what big looping circle he can make to get out. Just remember "you can drive it on the skiis, you can't turn the plane on the skiis" Also when you get in the plane that has been sitting on the snow for awhile, will freeze to the ground. When you are ready to go, you work the rudder, to break the skiis lose. While wiggling the tail, soon you'll feel one ski break, then the other. Now keep moving. And you must wax them too. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:01 AM PST US From: "Jim Cooper" Subject: Pietenpol-List: eyebrow patterns I have the eyebrow patterns you all are talking about. I got them through Corky. It might take a while to find them. We're leaving tomorrow for California and won't be back until Jan.20. It might take a while to reach Tom Schildt, my partner, by email. His home 'phone is 337-989-8148, and he may be able to find them if you need them before I get back. Jim Cooper 337-937-6116 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:02 AM PST US From: "Jim Cooper" Subject: Pietenpol-List: eyebrow patterns I have the eyebrow patterns you all are talking about. I got them through Corky. It might take a while to find them. We're leaving tomorrow for California and won't be back until Jan.20. It might take a while to reach Tom Schildt, my partner, by email. His home 'phone is 337-989-8148, and he may be able to find them if you need them before I get back. Jim Cooper 337-937-6116 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:52 AM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib construction Hi Dale Sorry for not getting back to you sooner! I will send a photo to you tonight! Also, my numbers are below. Take Care, Ben Ramler 320-656-5377 ----- Original Message ---- From: Dale Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 6:45:57 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: rib construction Hi Ben I am trying to figure out what you are doing wrong.No notching required. Send pictures or send phone # . Or send me your address I have some spare rib sections. Dale Mpls > [Original Message] > From: Ben Ramler > To: > Date: 12/31/2006 2:06:36 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib construction > > > Hello Group, > > Hopefully everyone had great christmas! My question is on the rib costruction. I've got my first rib almost done however my question is on the gusset plate that sits on the sides of the rib in front. does 2 1/8" x 3/4: sound right? then what about this 1/2x1/2" block that the plans talk about does that somehow get nothced out and gets glued in? If anyone wants see pictures I can post some. > > > Thanks, > > Ben Ramler > St. Cloud, MN > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:57 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Eyebrows -----------------------------1167961897-- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:08 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Luther, A reply to your last. I'm not offended by the changes. Guess I did use improper grammer skills and spellings but whoever signs these messages are responsible for the contents. Remember, these damn things circle the globe. However; I will in the future send all my Piet messages BEFORE my " old charter" delights. I would be very happy to meet you but as of now I don't have an airplane. But I will as soon as I get the nerve to haul a trailer behind my 89 Olds to Hawley, Minn. and bring back my new (old) 42 AeroncaTAC Defender/L-3. to warm, delightful, beautiful and politically correct Louisiana. Corky the ole Pieter and Knocker ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:45 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Corky, I find it interesting that so many Piet builders and owners have become such wonderful mentors to those of us less skillful and knowledgeable, while you appear to spend your time trying to put down those of us that are trying to learn. True, I'm not highly skilled or knowledgeable but that doesn't make me stupid or fit to only make footstools or magazine holders. You may be a good (?) airplane builder but you really need to spend more time working on your people skills. The message you were trying to deliver really lost something in the tellling. The mentors I talk with tell me that they really get a lot of joy out of helping and teaching others. Probably even more that you get out of speading putdowns and discouragement. You might want to try mentoring, you just might like it. Haven't tried to accuse, embass or otherwise. But I hope I have encouraged you to try. Gene, an new Pieter ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Pieters, I promised sometimes back that I would never add or subtract to this list but after reading those messages concerning "eyebrows" I just couldn't restrain myself. I cannot believe that a man would endeavor to build a Piet or any other airplane who did not posess the abilities to fabricate such simple parts as the eyebrows. He should maybe try making footstools or magazine holders. That is such a simple task. Believe me when I say, if I can do it anyone can. Don't expect a finish product on the first try but boy you will really learn each time you try. Aluminum and rivets are really cheap, your pride and dignity are expensive. Haven't tried to accuse, embass or otherwise. But I hope I have encouraged you to try Corky, an old Pieter ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:11 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows From: "Phillips, Jack" Gene, I've never met Corky in person, but we've certainly swapped a lot of emails. I don't think his comments were meant to inflame. In fact, as one of those who made just about every last piece of my Pietenpol, I tend to agree with him. He was trying to encourage you to try making your own eyebrows (as he did, and I did, and Gene Hubbard, and Mike Cuy and Chuck Gantzer and many others have done). I'll be glad to send you photos (offline) of my eyebrow manufacturing process. Chuck Gantzer gave good advice - just trace a set of Cub eyebrows (or your old ones) to get a flat pattern. I made mine from softer aluminum than 2024 - I think I used 5052 or something like that. I rolled the leading edge around a piece of stainless steel welding rod. I can show you in the photos. As one who has gotten many a hearty laugh from the old curmudgeon from Louisiana, I will stand up and say, "Don't worry about ol' Corky. He's one of the Good'uns". Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Corky, I find it interesting that so many Piet builders and owners have become such wonderful mentors to those of us less skillful and knowledgeable, while you appear to spend your time trying to put down those of us that are trying to learn. True, I'm not highly skilled or knowledgeable but that doesn't make me stupid or fit to only make footstools or magazine holders. You may be a good (?) airplane builder but you really need to spend more time working on your people skills. The message you were trying to deliver really lost something in the tellling. The mentors I talk with tell me that they really get a lot of joy out of helping and teaching others. Probably even more that you get out of speading putdowns and discouragement. You might want to try mentoring, you just might like it. Haven't tried to accuse, embass or otherwise. But I hope I have encouraged you to try. Gene, an new Pieter ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Pieters, I promised sometimes back that I would never add or subtract to this list but after reading those messages concerning "eyebrows" I just couldn't restrain myself. I cannot believe that a man would endeavor to build a Piet or any other airplane who did not posess the abilities to fabricate such simple parts as the eyebrows. He should maybe try making footstools or magazine holders. That is such a simple task. Believe me when I say, if I can do it anyone can. Don't expect a finish product on the first try but boy you will really learn each time you try. Aluminum and rivets are really cheap, your pride and dignity are expensive. Haven't tried to accuse, embass or otherwise. But I hope I have encouraged you to try Corky, an old Pieter href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:29 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Do Not Archive Gene, this ole shell of mine is pretty thick so I'll accept your comments toward the betterment of Piet building. Believe me young man, it takes all types to make things turn and some times we may have to urge progress in different ways. I'm sure you're well meant and will be a good (?) builder. So get off the keyboard, get the welding torch, saw, sandpaper, rivet gun and let things happen. When you have completed your task please call me as I would love to see and congratulate you on a finished airplane Corky (Damned if you do, damned if you don't Do Not Archive. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:39 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Thanks Jack, What set my teeth on edge was that I had asked for advice on both where to "buy" and also how to "make" them. My thinking was that if someone on the list was making and selling them I may want to buy but then on the other hand if I could get instructions I might try my hand at making them. I noticed that when someone on the list was asking another to build a brass radiator for them, no one called him an idot. The message Corky was trying to send is correct, however, the way he presented it was really poor. His kind of comments are more likely to discourage someone from building, rather than encourage. As you know, I didn't build my Piet and I have a lot of catching up to do to be on the level of thoes that did build theirs and I will need a lot of mentoring. Thank you for your imput and I'm looking forward to any assistance you can provide. Gene PS Corky's off my bad list, he called me a "Young Man" (and who said he didn't have any people skills?) ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Gene, I've never met Corky in person, but we've certainly swapped a lot of emails. I don't think his comments were meant to inflame. In fact, as one of those who made just about every last piece of my Pietenpol, I tend to agree with him. He was trying to encourage you to try making your own eyebrows (as he did, and I did, and Gene Hubbard, and Mike Cuy and Chuck Gantzer and many others have done).. I'll be glad to send you photos (offline) of my eyebrow manufacturing process. Chuck Gantzer gave good advice - just trace a set of Cub eyebrows (or your old ones) to get a flat pattern. I made mine from softer aluminum than 2024 - I think I used 5052 or something like that. I rolled the leading edge around a piece of stainless steel welding rod. I can show you in the photos. As one who has gotten many a hearty laugh from the old curmudgeon from Louisiana, I will stand up and say, "Don't worry about ol' Corky. He's one of the Good'uns". Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:04 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics..com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Corky, I find it interesting that so many Piet builders and owners have become such wonderful mentors to those of us less skillful and knowledgeable, while you appear to spend your time trying to put down those of us that are trying to learn. True, I'm not highly skilled or knowledgeable but that doesn't make me stupid or fit to only make footstools or magazine holders. You may be a good (?) airplane builder but you really need to spend more time working on your people skills. The message you were trying to deliver really lost something in the tellling. The mentors I talk with tell me that they really get a lot of joy out of helping and teaching others. Probably even more that you get out of speading putdowns and discouragement. You might want to try mentoring, you just might like it. Haven't tried to accuse, embass or otherwise. But I hope I have encouraged you to try. Gene, an new Pieter ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Pieters, I promised sometimes back that I would never add or subtract to this list but after reading those messages concerning "eyebrows" I just couldn't restrain myself. I cannot believe that a man would endeavor to build a Piet or any other airplane who did not posess the abilities to fabricate such simple parts as the eyebrows. He should maybe try making footstools or magazine holders. That is such a simple task. Believe me when I say, if I can do it anyone can. Don't expect a finish product on the first try but boy you will really learn each time you try. Aluminum and rivets are really cheap, your pride and dignity are expensive. Haven't tried to accuse, embass or otherwise. But I hope I have encouraged you to try Corky, an old Pieter href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. com _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:17 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Aw Corky, give me a hug. Anyone that calls me "young man" can't be all bad (just blind). Gene N502R Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrows Do Not Archive Gene, this ole shell of mine is pretty thick so I'll accept your comments toward the betterment of Piet building. Believe me young man, it takes all types to make things turn and some times we may have to urge progress in different ways. I'm sure you're well meant and will be a good (?) builder. So get off the keyboard, get the welding torch, saw, sandpaper, rivet gun and let things happen. When you have completed your task please call me as I would love to see and congratulate you on a finished airplane Corky (Damned if you do, damned if you don't Do Not Archive. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: eyebrows and tough love From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" I'd have to agree w/ Jack Phillips 100% on ole Corky and his comments. They are meant to inspire and kick you in the butt rather than discourage. Back in his day and in most of mine (being brought up by a WWII Vet Dad) there was encouragement by saying 'git your butt out there and learn this stuff then try it then try it again til you git it right and no bitchin' or you can go cry to yer Mommy. I'm not endorsing that kind of tough love (oh who the heck am I kidding--- I am) but that is Corky's way as he was taught and it helped me along the way too I'd say. Mike C. PS- watch a few old episodes of Gomer Pyle and note that many WWII guys and vets from that era are similar to Sergeant Carter on that series. That was the way they taught. No kisses and hugs and telling you that they love you---just get out there, learn it at do it. Had a lady flight instructor early on who was like that. Mean as a snake but she got me to keep the ball in the center during steep turns and maintain altitude. She'd say if you don't hit your prop wake you didn't do it good enough. I can still hit my prop wake most times today still. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:53 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: An apology It was not my intent to hurt the feelings of any Piet builder. If I did please accept my humble apology. On the otherhand I've never before had so many people say nice things about me. So thanks Gene for stimulating this discussion and I could probably keep it going for my person benefit by saying from an L S U man to a Tennessee man what a shitty football team you support. Corky Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:07 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: eyebrows and tough love Mike, Thank you for your input. I too was raised with the "kick in the butt to inspire" method (I'm 62) if it was needed. I was also raised with the belief that you don't tell a person what he can't do, you tell him he can do anything he wants to, if he wants to do it bad enough. None of this putdown tellling him he's only good enough to do such & such. I grew up in a very poor small mountain town where the High School teachers were telling you what you couldn't do in life unless you got all A's in their class, rather than telling you what you can do in life. If it hadn't been for my dad telling me I could do anything I wanted, I'd still be back there like all the rest of my class mates, doing nothing with their lives. They learned it from their teachers and no one told them otherwise. For me, because of my dad's advise and mentoring, I was able to retire at 41, take my family on a sailing adventure on the Pacific for 12 years and then spend the last 5 years as a Marine Captain in the Arctic. In writing Corky, my mission was to let him know that this is one person that doesn't like to be talked down to and I suspect I'm not alone. I don't expect to be coddled and burped, just pointed in the right direction with as many traveling instructions as possible (that's what a mentor does). I'm sure Corky is a nice guy but I can tell you that the other Piet builders/flyers that responded to my questions motivated me many times more than Corky has. Boy, you can sure tell it's a rainy day here in Tennessee. I have way too much time on my hands. Hell with it, I'm going to the hanger. Gene N502R Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: eyebrows and tough love I'd have to agree w/ Jack Phillips 100% on ole Corky and his comments. They are meant to inspire and kick you in the butt rather than discourage. Back in his day and in most of mine (being brought up by a WWII Vet Dad) there was encouragement by saying 'git your butt out there and learn this stuff then try it then try it again til you git it right and no bitchin' or you can go cry to yer Mommy. I'm not endorsing that kind of tough love (oh who the heck am I kidding--- I am) but that is Corky's way as he was taught and it helped me along the way too I'd say. Mike C. PS- watch a few old episodes of Gomer Pyle and note that many WWII guys and vets from that era are similar to Sergeant Carter on that series. That was the way they taught. No kisses and hugs and telling you that they love you---just get out there, learn it at do it. Had a lady flight instructor early on who was like that. Mean as a snake but she got me to keep the ball in the center during steep turns and maintain altitude. She'd say if you don't hit your prop wake you didn't do it good enough. I can still hit my prop wake most times today still. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:22 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: An apology Corky, I'm trying to get to the hanger so leave me alone. There's always next year for the Vols. Gene PS how much did it cost you for all the nice words that was said about you? Build me some eyebrows and I might even say something nice. ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: An apology It was not my intent to hurt the feelings of any Piet builder. If I did please accept my humble apology. On the otherhand I've never before had so many people say nice things about me. So thanks Gene for stimulating this discussion and I could probably keep it going for my person benefit by saying from an L S U man to a Tennessee man what a shitty football team you support. Corky Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: here pretty horsey From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" I was just trying to get to the end of this work week sitting here thinking "why wouldn't sulky wheels and hubs work on a Piet ?" http://www.parkerwheelsandhubs.com/ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:01 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: An apology From: "Phillips, Jack" Watch it Corky - I graduated from UT. I'll have to take back all the nice things I said. Jack Phillips How 'bout them Vols? -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: An apology It was not my intent to hurt the feelings of any Piet builder. If I did please accept my humble apology. On the otherhand I've never before had so many people say nice things about me. So thanks Gene for stimulating this discussion and I could probably keep it going for my person benefit by saying from an L S U man to a Tennessee man what a shitty football team you support. Corky Do Not Archive _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:35 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: An apology Do not archive How bout those Tigers. Woe to Bama, they'll be sorry about getting Sabin. Was real happy to see him go to Miami. Do Not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:38 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: here pretty horsey From: "Jack T. Textor" Now you tell me Mike...what a great idea.... Although maybe a little narrow.... Jack Textor www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: what about OSU ? From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Did everyone forget that I'm from Ohio ? Kidding...I could care less about college football. (but OSU is good...about the only team Ohio has that is any good) Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:35 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: here pretty horsey Think you're onto something , Mike! walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: here pretty horsey I was just trying to get to the end of this work week sitting here thinking "why wouldn't sulky wheels and hubs work on a Piet ?" http://www.parkerwheelsandhubs.com/ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:04 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what about OSU ? In a message dated 1/5/2007 3:29:17 PM Central Standard Time, michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes: Did everyone forget that I'm from Ohio ? Kidding...I could care less about college football. (but OSU is good...about the only team Ohio has that is any good) Mike C. do not archive Well, Mike, we'll see come Monday evening...they haven't won it yet, but the odds are in their favor. Wait a minute...How 'bout them 'eers !!! WVU Mountaineers. They already won their bowl game !! Chuck G. aka the Smokin' Mountaineer raised by a butt kickin' Dad, that would never settle for anything less than my best effort. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:35 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what about OSU ? How bout them Gators? Ben Charvet, UF '77, 04 Mims, Fl ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:49 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: eyebrow patterns Jim, Thank you for your offer. Mike C. is sending me a pattern so probably won't need you to search for yours. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Cooper To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: eyebrow patterns I have the eyebrow patterns you all are talking about. I got them through Corky. It might take a while to find them. We're leaving tomorrow for California and won't be back until Jan.20. It might take a while to reach Tom Schildt, my partner, by email. His home 'phone is 337-989-8148, and he may be able to find them if you need them before I get back. Jim Cooper 337-937-6116 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:11 PM PST US From: KMHeide Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: eyebrow patterns PLease post the patterns or scan them so we's Yankees can have a look see... KM Heide Fargo, ND Jim Cooper wrote: I have the eyebrow patterns you all are talking about. I got them through Corky. It might take a while to find them. We're leaving tomorrow for California and won't be back until Jan.20. It might take a while to reach Tom Schildt, my partner, by email. His home 'phone is 337-989-8148, and he may be able to find them if you need them before I get back. Jim Cooper 337-937-6116 __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:11 PM PST US From: KMHeide Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: eyebrow patterns Hey Mike......Where is my pattern? Not fair!.....everyone should have a copy! Ken H Fargo, ND Gene & Tammy wrote: Jim, Thank you for your offer. Mike C. is sending me a pattern so probably won't need you to search for yours. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Cooper To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: eyebrow patterns I have the eyebrow patterns you all are talking about. I got them through Corky. It might take a while to find them. We're leaving tomorrow for California and won't be back until Jan.20. It might take a while to reach Tom Schildt, my partner, by email. His home 'phone is 337-989-8148, and he may be able to find them if you need them before I get back. 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