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1. 04:48 AM - CAD versus cardboard (Steve Glass)
2. 05:16 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 01/05/07 (Bill Weir)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: CAD versus cardboard[Scanned] (Rob Hart)
4. 06:59 AM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (Amsafetyc@aol.com)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (Bill Rayfield)
6. 07:39 AM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (Robert Gow)
7. 10:13 AM - Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (Rick Holland)
8. 05:53 PM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (HelsperSew@aol.com)
9. 08:19 PM - Re: Tough love........ (shad bell)
10. 10:43 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 01/05/07 (Clif Dawson)
11. 11:17 PM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (Johnwoods)
12. 11:18 PM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (Glenn Thomas)
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| Subject: | CAD versus cardboard |
Hi
I have been on the list for about a year gathering info but not yet started
building.
It would be intersting to know the average age of the people on the list. I
would guess around mid 50's. Assuming that I would guess only a portion
are up on Cad. I'm 59
CAD would be great for documenting patterns such as the eyebrow currently in
cardboard. The eyebrow question will surface again in a year or so but the
patterns might not. If we had a cad file they could be reproduced again and
again. These files could live on the Matronics site to be accessed by all.
I have seen mention of some of people putting the Piet into CAD perhaps
somebody would document the pieces that we all seem to need every once in a
while. It will take some time but we could build a good library of
important bits.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
Steve in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 01/05/07 |
Bob Gow,
I didn't catch that it was a partially built Piet that you were considering
importing ino Canada. don't take this one to Transport Canada but lean on
you local MDRA inspector to inspect look inside the wings etc. with a video
camera on a stick. Acording to our local ispector he was able to make good
inspection as he watched the screen and I don't think they did, but it would
have been possible to record and save the images.
Bill Weir
>> Time: 07:43:19 AM PST US
>> From: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada.
>>
>> I`m interested in Cart`s Pietenpol but there are some issues importing it
>> to
>> Canada. My first contact with the inspectors here was not as good as I
>> had
>> hoped. The tell me I'll need a pre-cover inspection if I want to import
>> it
>> and finish the project in Canada. That means removing the fabric. I do
>> not want to rip the fabric off this airplane to get it inspected.
>>
>> Or, as a finished aircraft, the aircraft must have a 100 hours on it
>> before
>> it can be imported.
>>
>> Does anyone have an idea how to avoid this?
>>
>> Perhaps I could complete it or have it completed as a US aircraft and fly
>> it
>> under US registry for the first 100 hours. But can you register a US
>> aircraft to a non-citizen/ non-resident?
>>
>> Or perhaps I can get the pre-cover inspection waived if there is evidence
>> of
>> an FAA pre-cover inspection. Is there a precedent for this?
>>
>> Or I can look into ultra-light classification but I do not believe I
>> could
>> carry a passenger which is not acceptable to me.
>>
>> Bob
>
.ca>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada.
>>
>> I`m interested in Cart`s Pietenpol but there are some issues importing it
>> to
>> Canada. My first contact with the inspectors here was not as good as I
>> had
>> hoped. The tell me I'll need a pre-cover inspection if I want to import
>> it
>> and finish the project in Canada. That means removing the fabric. I do
>> not want to rip the fabric off this airplane to get it inspected.
>>
>> Or, as a finished aircraft, the aircraft must have a 100 hours on it
>> before
>> it can be imported.
>>
>> Does anyone have an idea how to avoid this?
>>
>> Perhaps I could complete it or have it completed as a US aircraft and fly
>> it
>> under US registry for the first 100 hours. But can you register a US
>> aircraft to a non-citizen/ non-resident?
>>
>> Or perhaps I can get the pre-cover inspection waived if there is evidence
>> of
>> an FAA pre-cover inspection. Is there a precedent for this?
>>
>> Or I can look into ultra-light classification but I do not believe I
>> could
>> carry a passenger which is not acceptable to me.
>>
>> Bob
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| Subject: | CAD versus cardboard[Scanned] |
Hi Steve
39 years old, 3 kids (all 13 and under), and have been planning the Piet
since 1992. In my field (radiology), CAD = Computer Assisted Diagnosis.
I suspect computer aided design might be more useful in present
endeavours! I am now around 50% through the mockup fuselage; still yet
to order the timber for the real one. Have set aside the next decade to
finish the project, although this may be expedited by recent friendships
with local builders (thanks Peter, John and Graham!). "Low and slow"
doesn't just apply to the aircraft!
Best regards
Rob & Co
Perth, Western Australia.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Glass
Sent: Saturday, 6 January 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard[Scanned]
<redsglass@hotmail.com>
Hi
I have been on the list for about a year gathering info but not yet
started
building.
It would be intersting to know the average age of the people on the
list. I
would guess around mid 50's. Assuming that I would guess only a
portion
are up on Cad. I'm 59
CAD would be great for documenting patterns such as the eyebrow
currently in
cardboard. The eyebrow question will surface again in a year or so but
the
patterns might not. If we had a cad file they could be reproduced again
and
again. These files could live on the Matronics site to be accessed by
all.
I have seen mention of some of people putting the Piet into CAD perhaps
somebody would document the pieces that we all seem to need every once
in a
while. It will take some time but we could build a good library of
important bits.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
Steve in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: CAD versus cardboard |
Hi,
john here age 55 builder wanna be! Got many of the essentials: prints, desire,
love of flying and the low and slow idea of open cockpit. Still lacking fundimental
elements: place to build, tools, time and skill. The more I read the less
confidence I have. I am better with wrenches and metal than I am with wood
and glue.
I have been hot for the piet since I learned about them and saw one. So its been
a few years! The desire has not diminished, I have chased a few projects to
buy with no success. Always something to prevent the deal!
I have a cad program, don't know how to use it efficiently to create laser cut
drawings for my metal parts, but have access to the metal and resources to get
it cut.
That's my story and I am sticking to it!
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com>
To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard
Hi
I have been on the list for about a year gathering info but not yet started
building.
It would be intersting to know the average age of the people on the list. I
would guess around mid 50's. Assuming that I would guess only a portion
are up on Cad. I'm 59
CAD would be great for documenting patterns such as the eyebrow currently in
cardboard. The eyebrow question will surface again in a year or so but the
patterns might not. If we had a cad file they could be reproduced again and
again. These files could live on the Matronics site to be accessed by all.
I have seen mention of some of people putting the Piet into CAD perhaps
somebody would document the pieces that we all seem to need every once in a
while. It will take some time but we could build a good library of
important bits.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
Steve in Maine
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| Subject: | CAD versus cardboard |
Howdy piet list
First post, just been lurking for a while
FYI - I'm 30, married, living in Newnan, Georgia
In regards to parts being cad drawn, I would be willing to knock a few
drawings out. I am a mechanical engineer and have access to AutoCAD and
Inventor (3D modeling).
I don't have experience with much of this stuff, so I couldn't design
the parts, but I could generate electronic versions of paper patterns
and the like.
Let me know if there's interest
Bill
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| Subject: | CAD versus cardboard |
Bob here. Like to think of myself as 35 (Hexadecimal). I've got thousands
of hours drivin' tube, though mostly electrical. I can do some 2D in
AutoCAD.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Rayfield
Sent: January 6, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard
<bill.rayfield@OptiLogistics.com>
Howdy piet list
First post, just been lurking for a while
FYI - I'm 30, married, living in Newnan, Georgia
In regards to parts being cad drawn, I would be willing to knock a few
drawings out. I am a mechanical engineer and have access to AutoCAD and
Inventor (3D modeling).
I don't have experience with much of this stuff, so I couldn't design
the parts, but I could generate electronic versions of paper patterns
and the like.
Let me know if there's interest
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows |
Nice drawings Hans, what software do you use to make them?
Thanks
Rick
On 1/4/07, Hans Vander Voort <hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com> wrote:
>
> hans.vander.voort@alfalaval.com>
>
> Gene,
>
> Expand your search Aeronca Champ, Taylorcraft and J3 all have the same
> type
> of "eyebrow"
>
> $500 seems excessive for something you can easily make yourself for a lot
> less.
>
> I made my own for my Corvair ( I call them Cooling ears)
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/fileslist2.cfm?AlbumID=74
> Different dimension but same concept.
>
> Most important is the "scoop" dimension, measure a J3's and make a card
> board prototype template.
> Transfer this to Aluminum sheet, cut, drill, bend and pop rivet and your
> done.
>
> Hans
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: CAD versus cardboard |
John,
You guys talking about these CAD drawings are making my eyes glaze over.
Stop with the nonsence and just start making some ribs. At this rate you will
never get going! You need to start with what you CAN do. Nobody needs any
"place to build" to make a rib jig and start producing ribs. A few sticks of
spruce and a hand saw and glue are all you need. There has been a lot of
talk about tough love and kicks-in-the-butt's on this site as of late. Here's
some more---GET STARTED!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Tough love........ |
To All, QUIT YOUR CRYING AND GO DO SOME FLYING!!!!!! All this senimental stuff
is making me sick.
Shad
PS Just kidding.....GO BUCKEYES!!
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 01/05/07 |
That reminds me! I'd completely forgotten. Last year
sometime in June, the city works guys came here to
check the drain system and they had a video snake.
I'm not suggesting you contact your local city or
plumber though. Who knows where their snakes have
been! But there should be other inspection companies
that have something similiar.
Clif
>
> Bob Gow,
>
> I didn't catch that it was a partially built Piet that you were
> considering importing ino Canada. don't take this one to Transport Canada
> but lean on you local MDRA inspector to inspect look inside the wings etc.
> with a video camera on a stick. Acording to our local ispector he was able
> to make good inspection as he watched the screen and I don't think they
> did, but it would have been possible to record and save the images.
>
> Bill Weir
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| Subject: | CAD versus cardboard |
Dan,
I agree with you.
I'm an engineer and know AutoCAD and thought about redrawing the plans but
asked "why?" and dropped the idea quick smart.
The original drawings are all you need plus some help from this pool of
practical knowledge.
I second your motion....just get building. I know I am!
Having said that, I will do drawings for the metal fittings, under cart and
any to help get the geometry right.
JohnW
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, 7 January 2007 10:53 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard
John,
You guys talking about these CAD drawings are making my eyes glaze over.
Stop with the nonsence and just start making some ribs. At this rate you
will never get going! You need to start with what you CAN do. Nobody needs
any "place to build" to make a rib jig and start producing ribs. A few
sticks of spruce and a hand saw and glue are all you need. There has been a
lot of talk about tough love and kicks-in-the-butt's on this site as of
late. Here's some more---GET STARTED!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: CAD versus cardboard |
Dan's right. I've got a rib building process going in an 8' x 12' shed. In that
small space I have a table saw, 2 belt sanders a drill press, bandsaw, scroll
saw, grinder and a router table ...and that's just the bench tools. I got
the Tony Bingelis books and he gives some good tips on optimizing space. I got
to where I knew if I continued "waiting for the day" it probably wouldn't come
so I did what I had to and I feel like I've got plenty of room. When I wrap
up the ribs soon I'll juggle things around so I can do the tail feathers. There's
hidden advantages to small workspaces, they're easier (cheaper) to heat.
Oh yeah, there's a kerosene heater in there too. If you really want to build
this thing, just do it. You won't regret it! Most interesting and fun thing
I've ever done.
Decided to build it on 42nd birthday, completed first rib last April or May and
just turned 43 a few months ago. Married 22 years with a kid in college. On
a budget of about $2000 a year this is not something anybody with the interest
couldn't learn to do or afford. Go for it!
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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