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1. 05:15 AM - January 2007 Newsletter (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
2. 05:24 AM - Re: Ohio piets planning on brodhead (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
3. 05:41 AM - Re: OIL ()
4. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Making Rib Gussets (Bill Church)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: Ohio piets planning on brodhead (shad bell)
6. 07:49 AM - Re: Center section butt rib location (shad bell)
7. 09:20 AM - Help from Nawthurn Pieters (Isablcorky@aol.com)
8. 10:12 AM - Re: Help from Nawthurn Pieters (Phillips, Jack)
9. 10:27 AM - Re: Help from Nawthurn Pieters (Gene and Tammy)
10. 11:17 AM - long johns (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
11. 12:04 PM - Re: long johns (Isablcorky@aol.com)
12. 12:23 PM - Re: long johns ()
13. 12:32 PM - art lesson (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
14. 12:41 PM - Ride with these Mustangs at Oshkosh (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
15. 01:17 PM - Re: OIL (walt evans)
16. 01:25 PM - Re: long johns (Glenn Thomas)
17. 01:25 PM - Re: art lesson (Isablcorky@aol.com)
18. 02:36 PM - Re: props (Dale Johnson)
19. 03:37 PM - bending wood (Gardiner Mason)
20. 03:45 PM - Re: Ride with these Mustangs at Oshkosh (walt evans)
21. 04:17 PM - Re: bending wood (Peter W Johnson)
22. 06:07 PM - Welding Rod (Larry Rice)
23. 06:17 PM - Re: bending wood (Gardiner Mason)
24. 08:20 PM - Re: bending wood (Rcaprd@aol.com)
25. 10:16 PM - Re: bending wood (Mike Whaley)
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| Subject: | January 2007 Newsletter |
Doc Mosher,
Just received the newsletter, GREAT job, thanks for taking the time and effort
to keep it going at such a high level of excellence.
One small note, Larry Harrison's first Piet, the blue and orange one had Chevy
2.4 liter power.
Skip Gadd
csfog@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Ohio piets planning on brodhead |
Shad,
I am going to try and fly Felix the GN-1 to Brodhead this summer. I live about
an hour, Piet time, southeast of Columbus Ohio in West Virginia.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Just wondering who plans on flying up to Brodhead from Ohio or surrounding states.
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I had mentioned in a letter that I was using 90 mineral oil.Correct that
to be 80 mineral oil;used to work in an engine when new parts are
installed or if engine is new.
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| Subject: | Re: Making Rib Gussets |
You're right, Glenn,
That's the way I did my gussets. Most of my gussets are made with 2"
diameter discs, which are then cut into halves or quarters.
Here's a link to the round gussets and sanding
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=115
3&PlaneID=510&FName=Bill&LName=Church&PlaneName=Air%20Camper
I did also use some rectangular gussets (1" x 2 3/4") in my ribs - at
three locations - the leading edge, at the rear spar, and at the
trailing edge
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=115
7&PlaneID=510&FName=Bill&LName=Church&PlaneName=Air%20Camper
Bill C
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| Subject: | Ohio piets planning on brodhead |
Skip, Which day will you be flying up? Dad and I took turns last year flying
and driving the "chase truck". He was in Delaware Ohio, but moved it up to
my place in Centerburg OH. Stay in touch and we can try to meet up along the
way. US RT 30 is a great route to follow all the way to the south edge of ORD
class B then up the western side toward Rockford ILL. Centerburg might even
be on your way to Brodhead with out going out of the way.
Shad
I am going to try and fly Felix the GN-1 to Brodhead this summer. I live about
an hour, Piet time, southeast of Columbus Ohio in West Virginia.
Skip
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| Subject: | Re: Center section butt rib location |
I can't picture the fittings perfectly in my minds eye, but I think the space is
to conceal the wing attatch fittings between the C-section and outter wing pannel.
Look at the plans, if the outter wing pannel to c-section bolts are inside
of the rib outline then that is why you will need the space between the but
ribs, to get the bolts in.
Greg Bacon <gbacon67@hughes.net> wrote: Does anyone know if a significant
reason the butt rib on the center section is 1-7/8 inch from the end of the
spar while the butt rib on the wing is only 1/2 inch from the end of it's spar?
It looks as though the butt rib could be closer to the end of the CS spar
without causing any major problem. However, I might be failing to see potential/operational
problems.
I would like to have the butt ribs on the CS as far apart as possible to allow
for a wider arc cut-out (instead of the flop). I'm rebuilding Mtn Piet's CS
a little wider, like Bill Rewey's bird.
Thanks,
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
P.S. For the age survey, I'm 39 with only 16 days until 40!
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| Subject: | Help from Nawthurn Pieters |
Nawthurn and upper mid-western Pieters,
As some of you know I have purchased Blueboy II. An Aeronca TAC65/L-3 from
Ken Heide up in Fargo, N D.
Problem: How to get this machine to Louisiana via US 71 to Kansas, City and
I-29 to Fargo and return. I'm loaded w/ 25ft open trailer and waiting for a
weather window to open. The forecasts, if correct, give me a small window from
Monday Jan 15 thru Friday Jan 19 . I expect cold weather which I can take but
what worries me is ice and high winds. I am planning to begin Monday.
If any of you know how to read weather between the lines or are familiar
with weather patterns along my route Ken and I would appreciate your input.
Haven't driven in the nasty stuff since Indiana and Korea back in '50 and
'51. I just
remember that I don't want anymore ice and high winds especially with an
airplane on a trailer.
Thanks in advance for your help
Corky
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| Subject: | Help from Nawthurn Pieters |
Attaboy, Corky! It'll be good to have you flying again.
I've got a good many hours in an L-3. Helped a friend in Texas rebuild
one back in the late 70's. Good, honest airplane.
Jack Phillips
Hoping to get some good flying weather this weekend so I can make it 3
weekends in a row flying the Piet in winter.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help from Nawthurn Pieters
Nawthurn and upper mid-western Pieters,
As some of you know I have purchased Blueboy II. An Aeronca TAC65/L-3
from Ken Heide up in Fargo, N D.
Problem: How to get this machine to Louisiana via US 71 to Kansas, City
and I-29 to Fargo and return. I'm loaded w/ 25ft open trailer and
waiting for a weather window to open. The forecasts, if correct, give me
a small window from Monday Jan 15 thru Friday Jan 19 . I expect cold
weather which I can take but what worries me is ice and high winds. I am
planning to begin Monday.
If any of you know how to read weather between the lines or are familiar
with weather patterns along my route Ken and I would appreciate your
input.
Haven't driven in the nasty stuff since Indiana and Korea back in '50
and '51. I just
remember that I don't want anymore ice and high winds especially with
an airplane on a trailer.
Thanks in advance for your help
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Help from Nawthurn Pieters |
Corky,
You might consider returning down the east side of the Mississippi if
the weather turns sour on you. In the past I've generally found the
weather to be warmer with less wind on the east side.
Let me know if I can be of any assistance.
Gene in Western Tennessee
731-584-3443
Cel 731=336-6893
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help from Nawthurn Pieters
Nawthurn and upper mid-western Pieters,
As some of you know I have purchased Blueboy II. An Aeronca TAC65/L-3
from Ken Heide up in Fargo, N D.
Problem: How to get this machine to Louisiana via US 71 to Kansas,
City and I-29 to Fargo and return. I'm loaded w/ 25ft open trailer and
waiting for a weather window to open. The forecasts, if correct, give me
a small window from Monday Jan 15 thru Friday Jan 19 . I expect cold
weather which I can take but what worries me is ice and high winds. I am
planning to begin Monday.
If any of you know how to read weather between the lines or are
familiar with weather patterns along my route Ken and I would appreciate
your input.
Haven't driven in the nasty stuff since Indiana and Korea back in '50
and '51. I just
remember that I don't want anymore ice and high winds especially with
an airplane on a trailer.
Thanks in advance for your help
Corky
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Corky,
Don't forget to pack your long johns and some of those instant heat
packets too keep your equipment from freezing up:) Bet its been a long
time since
you wrote your name in the snow, so being in the cold is sometimes fun.
At least you don't have to dot the I like in my name. Talk about a
challenge.
Glad to hear you called off the Fargo trip until they get some
less-brutal temperatures. I see they are calling for sub-zero lows and
single digits for this
weekend when you would have been there.
The Yankee Boy
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Hey Yankee Boy,
Isabelle dug up my johns so I might be ready. About the autograph, you're
right it has been a long time. Once I peed all over Indiana, no problem but once
in Korea we woke in our bunker to -45 and when I went it was like ice cream
salt hitting the ground. Now yankee boy, top that one
The Reb
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As long as you didn't wake up to a Gurka with a knife at your throat
feeling your lapel for what army you belong to.Happened to my uncle,he
said he crapped himself right there!Korea sounded like an interesting
place to be;just kidding!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: January 11, 2007 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: long johns
Hey Yankee Boy,
Isabelle dug up my johns so I might be ready. About the autograph,
you're right it has been a long time. Once I peed all over Indiana, no
problem but once in Korea we woke in our bunker to -45 and when I went
it was like ice cream salt hitting the ground. Now yankee boy, top that
one
The Reb
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Wow Corky, I can't top that one, brother. Reminds me of the old joke
where one dad is pissed because a neighbor boy kept writing his
name in the snow in this guys yard and the father of the boy told the
other father and he said "yeah, he shouldn't be doing that but did you
notice that it is in your daughter's handwriting ??"
The Yankee Boy
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| Subject: | Ride with these Mustangs at Oshkosh |
Excellent video. I'd give my left one to ride with these guys....
Mike C.
http://airshowbuzz.com/videos/index.php?id=2
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| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List:OIL |
What does the 90 and 80 represent? Hopefully it's not viscosity.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:OIL
I had mentioned in a letter that I was using 90 mineral oil.Correct
that to be 80 mineral oil;used to work in an engine when new parts are
installed or if engine is new.
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Corky,
Just curious, where were you in Korea? I was at Osan AB for 8 years. Things have
changed quite a bit between our 2 tours. Funny that we still have a presence
there. Kind of makes you wonder how much longer we'll be in Iraq.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86971#86971
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I'm topped
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Glenn
What you need is mild steel alloy w1060 RG 45
Copper coated 1/16
Did a little ice boating today what a blast.
Dale in MPLS.
> [Original Message]
> From: GlennThomas@flyingwood.com <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/10/2007 8:16:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: props
>
<glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>
> Mr. Hoffman Sir,
> What do A&P types use for filler rod when welding 4130 strap and tubing?
> I've been waiting for a clear answer. Got torches for Christmas but have
> been hearing that the 4130 filler rod is no good. Not sure why since
what
> I've been reading is that the filler material is supposed to be melted in
> with the 2 pieces being joined and should be the same material type.
> Waiting to figure out what I need to start practicing.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Glenn W. Thomas
> Storrs, CT
> http://www.flyingwood.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hofmann" <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: props
>
>
> > <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
> >
> > I have personal experience with an Ivo Prop. I installed one on an RV-3
in
> > 1994 with an O-320 per the request of the owner. First, I did not like
the
> > fact that each blade is held in place by only two bolts. A standard
> > propeller has all 6 bolts sharing the load. The Ivo uses a cam, a
follower
> > and a rod with a paddle on it to adjust blade pitch. Well, what happens
> > when
> > the cam follower decides to break? One blade goes flat while the other
> > remains where it was set. This makes a really neat sound from the
ground,
> > however the pilot did not quite care for the resulting vibration and
lack
> > of
> > performance. He landed safely and the wooden Sensenich was returned to
the
> > RV-3. I am not a real fan of these plastic ground adjustable props.
> >
> > -john-
> >
<glich7@juno.com>
> >>
> >> harvey,
> >> This isn't a storm or anything but I did remember it and thought it
> >> would be useful. This is from the Dec 2, 2003 Part three post on the
> >> Flycorvair website.
> >>
> >> "Two of the nicest people I've ever met in my life, Bob and Sarah
> >> Bean. Many times, people repeat stories in aviation which they have no
> >> firsthand experience with. They all start something like, "well I
> >> heard of a guy who had ... ". Lest anybody think that my refusal to
> >> use Ivoprops on Corvair engines is based on such stories, read
> >> closely. In 1996, I sold an Ivoprop to Bob, which he installed on an O-
> >> 320 powered Tailwind he built for Sarah. The airplane first flew in
> >> 1998. It was the nicest Tailwind that most people could ever remember
> >> having seen. Sarah raced it in the 1999 Sun 100 Air Race, where it
> >> threw 12 inches off one blade, the engine nearly came out of the
> >> airframe, and the aircraft was destroyed in the crash landing. I had
> >> an understandably hard time facing Bob and telling him that I had not
> >> personally flown the same model prop I sold him. This marked the last
> >> time I ever sold or recommended any flying part to anyone that I had
> >> not personally flown behind. Today I cringe at how bold people's
> >> recommendations are when they've never flown what they're
> >> recommending. Today, Bob and Sarah fly the country in the Oshkosh
> >> Award Winning Glasair III Bob built as a replacement."
> >>
> >> If I remember correctly, Ivoprops are much more flexible than say Warp
> >> Drive props (don't quote me on that), which are also ground
> >> adjustable, and unlike Ivoprop, warp drives have been extensively
> >> tested by WW and are recommended for the corvair. I'm not saying it
> >> can't be done, but based on what you find on most flying corvairs, I'd
> >> respectfully suggest that not all ground adjustable props are good/bad
> >> for direct drive, but there are some that are proven and some that
> >> are ..the opposite of proven. My .02 along with wordy speculation.
> >>
> >> Tim Hansen
> >>
> >> P.S. Yeah the Buckeyes were bested but they beat themselves as much as
> >> the gators, but the gators played very well..maybe next year...
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Is there a good way to bend the 1/16 plywood around rhe leading edge? I
am thinking about glueing and tacking the bottom edge and glueing to
the bottom of the ribs. When this dries then I start wetting down around
the leading edge to make the bend, and then I glue and tack the top. Has
anyone tried this, or is there any other better way? Thanks, Gardiner
Mason in Atlanta , Ga.
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| Subject: | Re: Ride with these Mustangs at Oshkosh |
Kind of takes me back. My flight instructor in the 60's was a P51 pilot
in the south Pacific in WWll. It's the old thing about how the young
thinks about the old these days. They are just babbling old turds that
had no idea.
Remember me asking about his old plane, and he said that another guy had
taken it. Said that the enemy had "run up his ass and got him"
means alot more to me now.
Got old pics of him in his P51, P39, and something else. His wife was
named Ruth. So it was Ruth-less 1,2,3,4
As you get older,,,the more you know,,the less you know,,,,,wow
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ride with these Mustangs at Oshkosh
Excellent video. I'd give my left one to ride with these guys....
Mike C.
http://airshowbuzz.com/videos/index.php?id=2
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Gardner,
I bent my ply around a 1 inch steel tube first. I wet the ply and gradually
tightened the clamps until the ply was almost bent in half. We the ply was
formed I glued it to the wing. I used trailer tie down straps and staples to
hold everything in place until the glue dried. If I were to do it again I
would used a long piece of timber under the tie down strap along the leading
edge. This would stop some indentations along the leading edge caused by
uneven tension in the straps. Check out HYPERLINK
"http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com. Go to Airframe
Construction > Wings > Outer Sections. There are some more pictures on Page
9 in the build photos section.
Hope that helps.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner
Mason
Sent: Friday, 12 January 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bending wood
Is there a good way to bend the 1/16 plywood around rhe leading edge? I am
thinking about glueing and tacking the bottom edge and glueing to the
bottom of the ribs. When this dries then I start wetting down around the
leading edge to make the bend, and then I glue and tack the top. Has anyone
tried this, or is there any other better way? Thanks, Gardiner Mason in
Atlanta , Ga.
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?Pietenpol-List
2:52 PM
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The conventional wisdom I always heard is to use mild steel welding rod,
as the flame from the torch always adds some carbon even when it's
neutral, and 4130 + carbon is too brittle. I don't know for sure if
that's technically correct, but I've been up in a lot of airplanes
welded with mild steel rod and I'm still here to talk about it. I use
RG45 myself.
Larry the micro Mong guy
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| Subject: | Re: bending wood |
Peter, Thanks for the feedback,but in my case I don,t thing the straps
will work. My center section-like yours- is the fuel tank closed up. I
am only putting wood on that section- the wings have a metal leading
edge and I used clamping straps which worked well. You do beautiful
work, and I hope mine turns out pretty good. My center section will hold
about 17 gallons feeding down to a 3 gallon header tank. WM Wynne is
finishing my engine,but I did all the prep work. I don,t have a problem
with all the wood work, but I had to cut all the metal pieces by hand
and learn how to gas weld myself. I could go on and on so thanks for
your help. All your pictures are a big help. I started my project in
March 05, and hope to have it finished in the fall. Gardiner Mason,
Atlanta, Ga. USA
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From: Peter W Johnson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: bending wood
Gardner,
I bent my ply around a 1 inch steel tube first. I wet the ply and
gradually tightened the clamps until the ply was almost bent in half. We
the ply was formed I glued it to the wing. I used trailer tie down
straps and staples to hold everything in place until the glue dried. If
I were to do it again I would used a long piece of timber under the tie
down strap along the leading edge. This would stop some indentations
along the leading edge caused by uneven tension in the straps. Check out
http://www.cpc-world.com. Go to Airframe Construction > Wings > Outer
Sections. There are some more pictures on Page 9 in the build photos
section.
Hope that helps.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner
Mason
Sent: Friday, 12 January 2007 10:37 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bending wood
Is there a good way to bend the 1/16 plywood around rhe leading edge?
I am thinking about glueing and tacking the bottom edge and glueing to
the bottom of the ribs. When this dries then I start wetting down around
the leading edge to make the bend, and then I glue and tack the top. Has
anyone tried this, or is there any other better way? Thanks, Gardiner
Mason in Atlanta , Ga.
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In a message dated 1/11/2007 5:39:31 PM Central Standard Time,
airlion@bellsouth.net writes:
When this dries then I start wetting down around the leading edge to make the
bend, and then I glue and tack the top. Has anyone tried this, or is there
any other better way?
Gardiner,
The best way is according to the plans - no need to bend the plywood around
the leading edge. It only goes on the top. Overlap the top of the leading
edge with the forward edge of the 1/16, but not around the L. E. radius. Then
blend in (sand) the top of the plywood with the leading edge.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: bending wood |
>> Is there a good way to bend the 1/16 plywood around rhe leading edge?
>> I am thinking about glueing and tacking the bottom edge and glueing to
>> the bottom of the ribs. When this dries then I start wetting down around
>> the leading edge to make the bend, and then I glue and tack the top.
>> Has anyone tried this, or is there any other better way? Thanks,
>> Gardiner Mason in Atlanta , Ga.
Steen Aero Lab makes 1/16" vacuum-formed laminated plywood leading edges
that might work for you with a little adaptation. They're VERY popular with
the acro bipe crowd nowadays. Check out www.steenaero.com (look in the
products section and in the online store.) Steen can do custom work on
these, it's usually just a matter of how the pieces are trimmed and laid
into the mold.
The Obligatory Disclaimer: I work for Steen... but I thought this would be
of interest to this discussion.
-Mike
Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net
Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
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