Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 01/14/07


Total Messages Posted: 10



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:37 AM - Re: flying straight (walt evans)
     2. 07:21 AM - Re: flying straight (Roman Bukolt)
     3. 07:25 AM - Flying straight (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
     4. 02:21 PM - NX41CC is rolling again (Oscar Zuniga)
     5. 02:56 PM - Re: NX41CC is rolling again (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     6. 02:59 PM - Re: NX41CC is rolling again (KMHeide)
     7. 04:31 PM - Re: bending wood (Gardiner Mason)
     8. 05:29 PM - NX41CC is rolling again (Oscar Zuniga)
     9. 10:51 PM - wet wood? (DONALD COOLEY)
    10. 11:31 PM - Re: wet wood? (Catdesigns)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:37:24 AM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: flying straight
    Max, I can just report how mine handles. My tail section is right to plans. The mount is right to plans, with the exception of extending 1 3/4" (approx) On climbout you need to hold right rudder, At cruise, no rudder needed, flies straight walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Andimaxd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying straight Howdy group, It's cold down here in Texas today... I've been a lurker for quiet some time. I'm afraid of heights and don't really believe in airplane's, I've heard they are really dangerous. I can barely stand on a ladder without getting scared. All that said, we mounted our vertical stabilizer straight with the world, no offset in the front to counter P-factor and torque. I was just wondering what the experts here thought about this. Will I end up having to put a degree or two in, will it be noticeable, or can it be fixed with a ground adjustable tab on the rudder or what? I would like to know in inches how far the offset is (and in which direction) it should be, half inch, one inch or whatever some of you are flying with. The A-75 does have an offset, I don't remember exactly how much; and how many flying have no offset... Thanks in advance, Max L. Davis Arlington, TX. NX101XW (Reserved)


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    Time: 07:21:20 AM PST US
    From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: flying straight
    For what it's worth, My Piet's vertical stabilizer is centered on the fuse center line and it flies straight with no ruddeer input. Roman Bukolt NX 20795 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying straight In a message dated 1/13/2007 4:21:29 PM Central Standard Time, Andimaxd@aol.com writes: Steve, I appreciate your picture, I've seen it before. My issue is that mine is installed, sans adjustment apparatus. I'm just wondering what to expect during the flight phase. I think Chuck G.'s is straight like mine, but I can't remember for sure. Max Hey Mad Dawg, You're right, my vertical fin is straight. After flying for a couple of years with a very slight pressure on the right rudder bar, I decided to install a non adjustable trim tab on the rudder, similar in design to the ones that I have on the flippers. I used a 5" piece of balsa wood trailing edge (from the hobby store for R.C. planes), and duct taped it to the center of the trailing edge of the rudder. I radiused the leading edge of the balsa, to match the trailing edge of the rudder, with sand paper wrapped around an ink pen. Put a slight angle on each end, so it can blend in. Duct tape it at an approximate angle, and go fly. I've adjusted the angle twice, and now I have a permanent angle, that allows neutral pressure on the rudder bar. Now I remove the duct tape, and glue it on at that angle, cover it with fabric & paint. Using this method makes a clean looking install, and no screws are needed. I've got a picture of the method here - http://nx770cg.com/Fuselage.html Fine tune the pitch trim with the flying wires on the tail, by adjusting the turnbuckles to raise or lower the leading edge of the horizontal stab. Chuck G. NX770CG slip sliding on the ice


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    Time: 07:25:35 AM PST US
    From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
    Subject: Flying straight
    I built "hard points" on the trailing edges of my elevator, and rudder just in case I need to add trim tabs. Not as pretty as stab. adjustments, but much, much less work. Leon S.


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    Time: 02:21:42 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: NX41CC is rolling again
    Howdy, Pieters- Yesterday goes down in my memoirs as a red-letter day. Saturday, Jan. 13, in the final fading minutes of the day, I taxied 41CC up and down the runway at Zapata County Airport to the applause of a cheering crowd of several uncaring South Texas coyotes and one grizzled old airport manager. The A65 thundered mightily, with all those hungry horses just waiting to be let out of the corral... but never saw more than a couple of hundred RPM this day on the ground. The weather was perfect. Very slight breeze, overcast, 80 degrees (yes, EIGHTY degrees Fahrenheit, you northerners), and I had just worked furiously to get the brakes finished up and the cowlings back on before dark. An old Alabama A&P with a long southern drawl had signed off the annual inspection about an hour earlier after only picking up a few little squawks, and neither the airplane nor I had any more excuses. My instructor (the grizzled old airport manager) propped it off with me at the controls and the A65 fired on the first blade after sitting quietly since Thanksgiving, oil pressure came right up, thumbs went up, chocks were pulled, and off I went. It was my first time at the controls of a fully operational and airworthy Pietenpol. I only had a few minutes of daylight left, but it was enough to let me taxi around on the apron, get a feel for the rudder bar and brakes, then roll up and down the runway to get a feel for the view over the nose and the general ground handling characteristics. The biggest surprise was how responsive the airplane is to the rudder and steerable tailwheel. I was expecting the usual slow swing of the tail, but this airplane is almost zippy enough on the ground to run a slalom course. It was absolutely delightful to taxi this airplane, but I'll have to watch the rudder dance to make sure I don't overcontrol it on the ground. More taxiing is in store, to be followed by return to flight. Right now I have a brake on the port side that will not release completely. The shoes stay on the disk pretty tightly, and post-taxi inspection (my hand) proved that the port side brake was mucho hot while the starboard brake was not. I may have to disassemble the wheel cylinder to see if the piston is dragging or something. Any ideas on what might be wrong are appreciated. Weather will be very bad for at least the next week, but soon enough 41CC will again grace the skies of South Texas! Thanks to everyone who has helped along the way... Corky, Randy, Mark, Jeff, Mike, and a host of others. I know I keep repeating myself, but there have been so many who have helped me with so many different things over the last two years. I owe you all rides ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now


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    Time: 02:56:53 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: NX41CC is rolling again
    Oscar, It's like beautiful music to these ears. Corky


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    Time: 02:59:47 PM PST US
    From: KMHeide <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: NX41CC is rolling again
    Oscar...... My address if Fargo, ND and I'll take that ride this June 12, 2007 between the hours of 4:30 and 5:30 PM. I'll have the lawn chairs out and steaks on the grill for when you arrive. I would like a nice flight from Hawley Airport down into Elbow Lake Airport and back. Ken Heide Fargo, ND Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: Howdy, Pieters- Yesterday goes down in my memoirs as a red-letter day. Saturday, Jan. 13, in the final fading minutes of the day, I taxied 41CC up and down the runway at Zapata County Airport to the applause of a cheering crowd of several uncaring South Texas coyotes and one grizzled old airport manager. The A65 thundered mightily, with all those hungry horses just waiting to be let out of the corral... but never saw more than a couple of hundred RPM this day on the ground. The weather was perfect. Very slight breeze, overcast, 80 degrees (yes, EIGHTY degrees Fahrenheit, you northerners), and I had just worked furiously to get the brakes finished up and the cowlings back on before dark. An old Alabama A&P with a long southern drawl had signed off the annual inspection about an hour earlier after only picking up a few little squawks, and neither the airplane nor I had any more excuses. My instructor (the grizzled old airport manager) propped it off with me at the controls and the A65 fired on the first blade after sitting quietly since Thanksgiving, oil pressure came right up, thumbs went up, chocks were pulled, and off I went. It was my first time at the controls of a fully operational and airworthy Pietenpol. I only had a few minutes of daylight left, but it was enough to let me taxi around on the apron, get a feel for the rudder bar and brakes, then roll up and down the runway to get a feel for the view over the nose and the general ground handling characteristics. The biggest surprise was how responsive the airplane is to the rudder and steerable tailwheel. I was expecting the usual slow swing of the tail, but this airplane is almost zippy enough on the ground to run a slalom course. It was absolutely delightful to taxi this airplane, but I'll have to watch the rudder dance to make sure I don't overcontrol it on the ground. More taxiing is in store, to be followed by return to flight. Right now I have a brake on the port side that will not release completely. The shoes stay on the disk pretty tightly, and post-taxi inspection (my hand) proved that the port side brake was mucho hot while the starboard brake was not. I may have to disassemble the wheel cylinder to see if the piston is dragging or something. Any ideas on what might be wrong are appreciated. Weather will be very bad for at least the next week, but soon enough 41CC will again grace the skies of South Texas! Thanks to everyone who has helped along the way... Corky, Randy, Mark, Jeff, Mike, and a host of others. I know I keep repeating myself, but there have been so many who have helped me with so many different things over the last two years. I owe you all rides ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.


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    Time: 04:31:46 PM PST US
    From: "Gardiner Mason" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: bending wood
    Rick, thanks for the feedback. I have already wraped the leading edge of both wings with metal,and it worked fine. The center section is where I will use wood. I have decided to glue the bottom on first and then the top next. I will use Z Grip to fair off the front edge. By the way, what is all that white stuff behind your house? Down here in Ga. we just have Georgia ice cream. I am going to Fl this weekend to get my engine. William says he has all the parts and come on down to finish putting it together. Take care, Gardiner. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bending wood I also pre-bent my leading edge ply Gardiner (see attached picture). Soaked it in a bath tub, stood it on edge then clamped the front 1 1/2" inch between an angle and a 1 x 2 then bent the rest over 90 degrees and let it dry. The fit was very close, when I glued it on I held it on with 5/16" staples over plastic strips for easy removal. Rick On 1/11/07, Gardiner Mason <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote: Is there a good way to bend the 1/16 plywood around rhe leading edge? I am thinking about glueing and tacking the bottom edge and glueing to the bottom of the ribs. When this dries then I start wetting down around the leading edge to make the bend, and then I glue and tack the top. Has anyone tried this, or is there any other better way? Thanks, Gardiner Mason in Atlanta , Ga. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/12/2007


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    Time: 05:29:08 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: NX41CC is rolling again
    Ken; I'll be happy to give you that ride up in Fargo if you'll help me convert a little box of Bendix parts into an impulse coupling for my left mag, installed and timed. I don't dare touch a magneto, don't know anything about working on or timing them, have the parts, want to add impulse to my left mag, and might be able to do that flight sometime if you've got the know-how. But I sure ain't going up your way before the spring thaw, and June might not be warm enough up your way! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help


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    Time: 10:51:53 PM PST US
    From: DONALD COOLEY <adonjr@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: wet wood?
    Hello, Group! Don Cooley, age 61...retiring from teaching in June...95 days left, but who's counting? My situation: I have purchased Richard daCosta's Piet project, and plan to drive to Maine in June, pick it up and drive home to California with it. I have a contractor's rack on my compact pick-up truck. The question I'd like to put to the group is: Will exposure to some water (rain) hurt the unvarnished wood? I plan to wrap everything carefully with plastic drop cloths, but it seems likely that some water could find its way to the project. Thoughts? I am currently remodeling my garage into a Piet hatchery so I'll be ready to really dig in as a full-time Piet builder. I've had the plans since 1972, so I guess it's about time! Keep the sawdust flying! Don Cooley, Fairfield, California Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> wrote: * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-01-07&Archive=Pietenpol Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07-01-07&Archive=Pietenpol =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/07/07: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:04 AM - Get Started! Do Something! (Clif Dawson) 2. 04:45 AM - Kerosene Heater (Larry Rice) 3. 05:49 AM - Re: Get Started! Do Something! (walt evans) 4. 06:33 AM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (Robert Gow) 5. 06:43 AM - Re: Get Started! Do Something![Scanned] (Rob Hart) 6. 06:54 AM - Re: thinking ahead when flying with skis (Ralph) 7. 07:27 AM - Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (HVandervoo@aol.com) 8. 07:38 AM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (TJ) 9. 07:57 AM - builders ages (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 10. 08:41 AM - Re: builders ages (dwilson) 11. 08:53 AM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (Catdesigns) 12. 09:12 AM - Re: builders ages (Jack T. Textor) 13. 09:48 AM - List: Builder's Ages (Alan Lyscars) 14. 09:49 AM - Re: builders ages (walt evans) 15. 02:30 PM - average age (glich7@juno.com) 16. 02:56 PM - Re: average age (walt evans) 17. 03:19 PM - age (TGSTONE236@aol.com) 18. 03:41 PM - Re: average age (Jeff Boatright) 19. 03:44 PM - Re: age (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 20. 04:16 PM - Re: builders ages (Jack T. Textor) 21. 04:35 PM - Re: builders ages (Gene & Tammy) 22. 05:47 PM - Another dumb question (Gene & Tammy) 23. 06:08 PM - Duane Woolsey? (Jeff Boatright) 24. 06:43 PM - Re: Duane Woolsey? (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 25. 07:13 PM - Re: builders ages (walt evans) 26. 07:21 PM - Re: List: Builder's Ages (Roman Bukolt) 27. 07:32 PM - Re: builders ages (Don Emch) 28. 07:38 PM - Re: Another dumb question (Don Emch) 29. 08:03 PM - Re: Duane Woolsey? (Catdesigns) 30. 08:49 PM - prop (Dick Navratil) 31. 08:52 PM - Re: builders ages (Rcaprd@aol.com) 32. 09:01 PM - Re: prop (Rcaprd@aol.com) 33. 10:09 PM - Re: Get Started! Do Something! (Clif Dawson) 34. 10:46 PM - Re: -CAD (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:50 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something! I've been building for seven years. I'll be 64 in Feb. I estimate that my outlay has been the equivalent of a dinner out for two every month. That includes the three Corvair engines as core parts and a few new parts for them. The fuselage and tail are complete with controls. The first thing I did was make the tail surfaces. Then I made the ribs. This year I should get most of the wing completed. You do what you can with the time, space and financial resources life affords you. Many years ago there was a series of 3 articles by a young Piet builder, mostly centered around his trials and tribulations with dope and fabric. He and his wife built the thing in a small, second story apartment. The fuselage went from the left front corner of the living room across to the fridge in the kitchen. There is a pic of them hoisting the finished fuselage out the window and down to the ground. Granted, many of us don't, or didn't, have such enthusiastic significant others but I'm sure you can see the moral to this story. Do something! Drill a hole even. An idea I've seen is a heavy table 4' square to which are mounted all the power tools and a vise or two. This table sits on four heavy castors with brakes on them. You can move and rotate this sucker all around the shop to access each tool as it's needed, even outside if you need the space. If you're worried that it will move while you're running something through the band or table saw, I'll tell you that my 28" by 96" rolling radial arm saw table doesn't budge an inch! It's on three inch, locking castors. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:59 AM PST US From: Larry Rice Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kerosene Heater You may already know this, but when you get to fabric, no kerosene heat, and if you have to cover it for dust no plastic. An old friend of mine did that and the paint wouldn't stick. Hmmmm - any effect on glue or varnish? I ended up with a small catalytic heater on a propane bottle in my shop. Larry the micro mong guy -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:04 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something! Cliff, That person was Jim Malley of this group. I still have the Kitplanes issue that featured his Pietenpol on the front cover. It was because of that, that I decided to build a Piet. For all who needs/wants a little inspiration, want to again share this picture, taken from the front seat, comming in over Stickle's Pond headed toward runway 24 on a beautiful summer morning At Newton (Jump) airport. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:03 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something! I've been building for seven years. I'll be 64 in Feb. I estimate that my outlay has been the equivalent of a dinner out for two every month. That includes the three Corvair engines as core parts and a few new parts for them. The fuselage and tail are complete with controls. The first thing I did was make the tail surfaces. Then I made the ribs. This year I should get most of the wing completed. You do what you can with the time, space and financial resources life affords you. Many years ago there was a series of 3 articles by a young Piet builder, mostly centered around his trials and tribulations with dope and fabric. He and his wife built the thing in a small, second story apartment. The fuselage went from the left front corner of the living room across to the fridge in the kitchen. There is a pic of them hoisting the finished fuselage out the window and down to the ground. Granted, many of us don't, or didn't, have such enthusiastic significant others but I'm sure you can see the moral to this story. Do something! Drill a hole even. An idea I've seen is a heavy table 4' square to which are mounted all the power tools and a vise or two. This table sits on four heavy castors with brakes on them. You can move and rotate this sucker all around the shop to access each tool as it's needed, even outside if you need the space. If you're worried that it will move while you're running something through the band or table saw, I'll tell you that my 28" by 96" rolling radial arm saw table doesn't budge an inch! It's on three inch, locking castors. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:35 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard I hear you. If you are building one plane it's no too productive. But in the past I've found a lot of dimensional errors and fixed them by converting from paper to CAD because you draw to scale. You can also resolve many ambiguities as well because you have a fully detailed "model". But it would only be worth doing if the plans were shared with new builders. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: January 6, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard John, You guys talking about these CAD drawings are making my eyes glaze over. Stop with the nonsence and just start making some ribs. At this rate you will never get going! You need to start with what you CAN do. Nobody needs any "place to build" to make a rib jig and start producing ribs. A few sticks of spruce and a hand saw and glue are all you need. There has been a lot of talk about tough love and kicks-in-the-butt's on this site as of late. Here's some more---GET STARTED! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:26 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something![Scanned] From: "Rob Hart" Hi Walt I also have that issue of Kitplanes. It was also the article that inspired me to follow the Piet dream. Thanks for the pic, and for the reminder of the start of the journey. To esteemed listers, For those still figuring out when to start cutting or drilling; my advice is to take your time. Measure twice and cut once is a well known adage. Knowing when to start measuring, given the myriad demands on most homebuilders, is perhaps less when understood. Thinking, planning and contemplating is as much doing something as cutting spruce. Pick your own time, not someone else's. Regards Rob VH-PTN; in preparation. Do not archive. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Sunday, 7 January 2007 10:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something![Scanned] Cliff, That person was Jim Malley of this group. I still have the Kitplanes issue that featured his Pietenpol on the front cover. It was because of that, that I decided to build a Piet. For all who needs/wants a little inspiration, want to again share this picture, taken from the front seat, comming in over Stickle's Pond headed toward runway 24 on a beautiful summer morning At Newton (Jump) airport. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:03 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something! I've been building for seven years. I'll be 64 in Feb. I estimate that my outlay has been the equivalent of a dinner out for two every month. That includes the three Corvair engines as core parts and a few new parts for them. The fuselage and tail are complete with controls. The first thing I did was make the tail surfaces. Then I made the ribs. This year I should get most of the wing completed. You do what you can with the time, space and financial resources life affords you. Many years ago there was a series of 3 articles by a young Piet builder, mostly centered around his trials and tribulations with dope and fabric. He and his wife built the thing in a small, second story apartment. The fuselage went from the left front corner of the living room across to the fridge in the kitchen. There is a pic of them hoisting the finished fuselage out the window and down to the ground. Granted, many of us don't, or didn't, have such enthusiastic significant others but I'm sure you can see the moral to this story. Do something! Drill a hole even. An idea I've seen is a heavy table 4' square to which are mounted all the power tools and a vise or two. This table sits on four heavy castors with brakes on them. You can move and rotate this sucker all around the shop to access each tool as it's needed, even outside if you need the space. 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The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. AION Diagnostics, Level 2, 40-48 Subiaco Square Road, Subiaco 6008, Australia, Phone: +61 (8) 6461 9400, Fax: +61 (8) 6461 9499 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:16 AM PST US From: "Ralph" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: thinking ahead when flying with skis I am also flying a Chief on skis in the snowy weather. I have a pair of wood Call-Air skis. You set the wheel into a metal tube frame on top of the ski and clamp it down.. It takes about ten minutes to change with the help of the wife. I hope to incorporate something similar for the Piet. (thirteen years down, about ready to cover the wings). If you land in snow in a field, always circle around and park in you own tracks. It really helps to not have to break trail when first starting to move. I always grab the ski tip and lift up before starting up the engine. That breaks loose any freeze down that might occur. Carol and Ralph Raymond ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:16 AM PST US From: HVandervoo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows Rick, Program I use is Visio 2000, it is a simple draft program. By no means as good and versatile as AutoCAD but cheap and simple to use. Hans ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CAD versus cardboard From: "TJ" Hi Guys I can tell you from a newbies point of view that I wish someone would redraw everything in CAD. I know when my plans first came I looked them over every which way and couldnt make much outta them. After I met a few guys like Jim Markle and Larry Williams and looked over what they have, then I started to understand them better. I lucked out and bumped into a guy named Frank Hiles that lives 45 minutes from me that has built 4 Piets and is on his 5th one now and hes showing how to build now. Razorbacks Rule!!! (Well maybe not this year but somtimes, maybe once in a while, I think I remember when they did, OK maybe not, but then whos cares anyway, thats why I like flying and not football) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86044#86044 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: builders ages From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Mike C. 47 and still keeping to my goal of keeping my waistline measurement under my age:) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders ages From: "dwilson" Dan Wilson, age 50. Would like to finish my Piet while I can still pass the vision test. Just got my first pair of glasses! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86063#86063 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:33 AM PST US From: "Catdesigns" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard Early on I drew up all the fittings in CAD and would advise against doing this. The fittings I have tried to make based on the CAD drawings are not always correct. Accurate to the plans yes but not correct for the job they are intended to do. Sometimes the holes are a bit off and sometimes the size of the fitting is a bit small. Plus you will want to lengthen the fittings in a few places to access the bolt heads. For instance, take a look at the front tailwheel mounting fitting, the one with the 3 fingers on it. Notice how the bolt holes for mounting it to the fuselage interfere with each other? If you were to blindly follow the plans you would be making these fittings again, hopefully before you drilled your holes in the lower longeron. Sorry, don't ask for the files because I think releasing them into the world would give a false sense of accuracy that I don't want to promote. One thing you will find as you build is the plans turn out to be better then you thought. They may look poor at first glance but after a while you start to get in the groove and they turn out to be just fine. You soon realize that you worry about some dimensions but others are whatever length is required to fit YOUR particular assembly. The best approach is to get the idea from the plans then fine tune the location and dimensions to make the part fit your assembly correctly and serve the intended purpose. The important thing is to make a strong well built plane. Don't waste your time trying to build to the exact 1/64th because that's what the plans said it had to be. By the way I'm now 39. Was 33 when I started. Probably be 45 when done :-( Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Glass" Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard > > > Hi > > I have been on the list for about a year gathering info but not yet > started building. > > It would be intersting to know the average age of the people on the list. === message truncated ==


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    Time: 11:31:26 PM PST US
    From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: wet wood?
    Hey Don, Glad to hear your finally going to build a Piet. I soaked my wing upper wing rib piece in my bathtub for about 2 or 3 hours so I could bend it. They are nice and wet when I take them out, as in really wet and pliable. I have not noticed any staining, weakness or discoloration from this. What you need to watch out for is getting a piece of dusty or dirty wood wet. This will drive the dirt into the wood and stain it. Also, some how something leaked into my fuselage and stained the mahogany plywood on the floor. I think it was water off the garage door as I would open it though I'm not sure as I never saw it drip nor have I since seen it drip. In any event I think the plywood might stain easily. I would think if you wrap it up as tight as you can you will be fine. Just make sure you open it up to dry out as soon as possible. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com




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