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1. 04:37 AM - Re: flying straight (walt evans)
2. 07:21 AM - Re: flying straight (Roman Bukolt)
3. 07:25 AM - Flying straight (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
4. 02:21 PM - NX41CC is rolling again (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 02:56 PM - Re: NX41CC is rolling again (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 02:59 PM - Re: NX41CC is rolling again (KMHeide)
7. 04:31 PM - Re: bending wood (Gardiner Mason)
8. 05:29 PM - NX41CC is rolling again (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 10:51 PM - wet wood? (DONALD COOLEY)
10. 11:31 PM - Re: wet wood? (Catdesigns)
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| Subject: | Re: flying straight |
Max,
I can just report how mine handles.
My tail section is right to plans.
The mount is right to plans, with the exception of extending 1 3/4"
(approx)
On climbout you need to hold right rudder, At cruise, no rudder needed,
flies straight
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Andimaxd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying straight
Howdy group,
It's cold down here in Texas today...
I've been a lurker for quiet some time. I'm afraid of heights and
don't really believe in airplane's, I've heard they are really
dangerous. I can barely stand on a ladder without getting scared.
All that said, we mounted our vertical stabilizer straight with the
world, no offset in the front to counter P-factor and torque. I was
just wondering what the experts here thought about this. Will I end up
having to put a degree or two in, will it be noticeable, or can it be
fixed with a ground adjustable tab on the rudder or what? I would like
to know in inches how far the offset is (and in which direction) it
should be, half inch, one inch or whatever some of you are flying with.
The A-75 does have an offset, I don't remember exactly how much; and how
many flying have no offset...
Thanks in advance,
Max L. Davis
Arlington, TX.
NX101XW (Reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: flying straight |
For what it's worth, My Piet's vertical stabilizer is centered on the
fuse center line and it flies straight with no ruddeer input.
Roman Bukolt NX 20795
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying straight
In a message dated 1/13/2007 4:21:29 PM Central Standard Time,
Andimaxd@aol.com writes:
Steve,
I appreciate your picture, I've seen it before. My issue is that
mine is installed, sans adjustment apparatus. I'm just wondering what
to expect during the flight phase. I think Chuck G.'s is straight like
mine, but I can't remember for sure.
Max
Hey Mad Dawg,
You're right, my vertical fin is straight. After flying for a
couple of years with a very slight pressure on the right rudder bar, I
decided to install a non adjustable trim tab on the rudder, similar in
design to the ones that I have on the flippers. I used a 5" piece of
balsa wood trailing edge (from the hobby store for R.C. planes), and
duct taped it to the center of the trailing edge of the rudder. I
radiused the leading edge of the balsa, to match the trailing edge of
the rudder, with sand paper wrapped around an ink pen. Put a slight
angle on each end, so it can blend in. Duct tape it at an approximate
angle, and go fly. I've adjusted the angle twice, and now I have a
permanent angle, that allows neutral pressure on the rudder bar. Now I
remove the duct tape, and glue it on at that angle, cover it with fabric
& paint. Using this method makes a clean looking install, and no screws
are needed.
I've got a picture of the method here -
http://nx770cg.com/Fuselage.html
Fine tune the pitch trim with the flying wires on the tail, by
adjusting the turnbuckles to raise or lower the leading edge of the
horizontal stab.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
slip sliding on the ice
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I built "hard points" on the trailing edges of my elevator, and rudder
just in case I need to add trim tabs. Not as pretty as stab.
adjustments, but much, much less work. Leon S.
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| Subject: | NX41CC is rolling again |
Howdy, Pieters-
Yesterday goes down in my memoirs as a red-letter day. Saturday, Jan. 13,
in the final fading minutes of the day, I taxied 41CC up and down the runway
at Zapata County Airport to the applause of a cheering crowd of several
uncaring South Texas coyotes and one grizzled old airport manager. The A65
thundered mightily, with all those hungry horses just waiting to be let out
of the corral... but never saw more than a couple of hundred RPM this day on
the ground.
The weather was perfect. Very slight breeze, overcast, 80 degrees (yes,
EIGHTY degrees Fahrenheit, you northerners), and I had just worked furiously
to get the brakes finished up and the cowlings back on before dark. An old
Alabama A&P with a long southern drawl had signed off the annual inspection
about an hour earlier after only picking up a few little squawks, and
neither the airplane nor I had any more excuses. My instructor (the
grizzled old airport manager) propped it off with me at the controls and the
A65 fired on the first blade after sitting quietly since Thanksgiving, oil
pressure came right up, thumbs went up, chocks were pulled, and off I went.
It was my first time at the controls of a fully operational and airworthy
Pietenpol. I only had a few minutes of daylight left, but it was enough to
let me taxi around on the apron, get a feel for the rudder bar and brakes,
then roll up and down the runway to get a feel for the view over the nose
and the general ground handling characteristics. The biggest surprise was
how responsive the airplane is to the rudder and steerable tailwheel. I was
expecting the usual slow swing of the tail, but this airplane is almost
zippy enough on the ground to run a slalom course. It was absolutely
delightful to taxi this airplane, but I'll have to watch the rudder dance to
make sure I don't overcontrol it on the ground.
More taxiing is in store, to be followed by return to flight. Right now I
have a brake on the port side that will not release completely. The shoes
stay on the disk pretty tightly, and post-taxi inspection (my hand) proved
that the port side brake was mucho hot while the starboard brake was not. I
may have to disassemble the wheel cylinder to see if the piston is dragging
or something. Any ideas on what might be wrong are appreciated.
Weather will be very bad for at least the next week, but soon enough 41CC
will again grace the skies of South Texas! Thanks to everyone who has
helped along the way... Corky, Randy, Mark, Jeff, Mike, and a host of
others. I know I keep repeating myself, but there have been so many who
have helped me with so many different things over the last two years. I owe
you all rides ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: NX41CC is rolling again |
Oscar,
It's like beautiful music to these ears.
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: NX41CC is rolling again |
Oscar......
My address if Fargo, ND and I'll take that ride this June 12, 2007 between the
hours of 4:30 and 5:30 PM. I'll have the lawn chairs out and steaks on the
grill for when you arrive. I would like a nice flight from Hawley Airport down
into Elbow Lake Airport and back.
Ken Heide
Fargo, ND
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
Howdy, Pieters-
Yesterday goes down in my memoirs as a red-letter day. Saturday, Jan. 13,
in the final fading minutes of the day, I taxied 41CC up and down the runway
at Zapata County Airport to the applause of a cheering crowd of several
uncaring South Texas coyotes and one grizzled old airport manager. The A65
thundered mightily, with all those hungry horses just waiting to be let out
of the corral... but never saw more than a couple of hundred RPM this day on
the ground.
The weather was perfect. Very slight breeze, overcast, 80 degrees (yes,
EIGHTY degrees Fahrenheit, you northerners), and I had just worked furiously
to get the brakes finished up and the cowlings back on before dark. An old
Alabama A&P with a long southern drawl had signed off the annual inspection
about an hour earlier after only picking up a few little squawks, and
neither the airplane nor I had any more excuses. My instructor (the
grizzled old airport manager) propped it off with me at the controls and the
A65 fired on the first blade after sitting quietly since Thanksgiving, oil
pressure came right up, thumbs went up, chocks were pulled, and off I went.
It was my first time at the controls of a fully operational and airworthy
Pietenpol. I only had a few minutes of daylight left, but it was enough to
let me taxi around on the apron, get a feel for the rudder bar and brakes,
then roll up and down the runway to get a feel for the view over the nose
and the general ground handling characteristics. The biggest surprise was
how responsive the airplane is to the rudder and steerable tailwheel. I was
expecting the usual slow swing of the tail, but this airplane is almost
zippy enough on the ground to run a slalom course. It was absolutely
delightful to taxi this airplane, but I'll have to watch the rudder dance to
make sure I don't overcontrol it on the ground.
More taxiing is in store, to be followed by return to flight. Right now I
have a brake on the port side that will not release completely. The shoes
stay on the disk pretty tightly, and post-taxi inspection (my hand) proved
that the port side brake was mucho hot while the starboard brake was not. I
may have to disassemble the wheel cylinder to see if the piston is dragging
or something. Any ideas on what might be wrong are appreciated.
Weather will be very bad for at least the next week, but soon enough 41CC
will again grace the skies of South Texas! Thanks to everyone who has
helped along the way... Corky, Randy, Mark, Jeff, Mike, and a host of
others. I know I keep repeating myself, but there have been so many who
have helped me with so many different things over the last two years. I owe
you all rides ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: bending wood |
Rick, thanks for the feedback. I have already wraped the leading edge of
both wings with metal,and it worked fine. The center section is where I
will use wood. I have decided to glue the bottom on first and then the
top next. I will use Z Grip to fair off the front edge. By the way, what
is all that white stuff behind your house? Down here in Ga. we just have
Georgia ice cream. I am going to Fl this weekend to get my engine.
William says he has all the parts and come on down to finish putting it
together. Take care, Gardiner.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bending wood
I also pre-bent my leading edge ply Gardiner (see attached picture).
Soaked it in a bath tub, stood it on edge then clamped the front 1 1/2"
inch between an angle and a 1 x 2 then bent the rest over 90 degrees and
let it dry. The fit was very close, when I glued it on I held it on with
5/16" staples over plastic strips for easy removal.
Rick
On 1/11/07, Gardiner Mason <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Is there a good way to bend the 1/16 plywood around rhe leading
edge? I am thinking about glueing and tacking the bottom edge and
glueing to the bottom of the ribs. When this dries then I start wetting
down around the leading edge to make the bend, and then I glue and tack
the top. Has anyone tried this, or is there any other better way?
Thanks, Gardiner Mason in Atlanta , Ga.
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Rick Holland
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| Subject: | NX41CC is rolling again |
Ken;
I'll be happy to give you that ride up in Fargo if you'll help me convert a
little box of Bendix parts into an impulse coupling for my left mag,
installed and timed. I don't dare touch a magneto, don't know anything
about working on or timing them, have the parts, want to add impulse to my
left mag, and might be able to do that flight sometime if you've got the
know-how.
But I sure ain't going up your way before the spring thaw, and June might
not be warm enough up your way!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Hello, Group!
Don Cooley, age 61...retiring from teaching in June...95 days left, but who's
counting?
My situation: I have purchased Richard daCosta's Piet project, and plan
to drive to Maine in June, pick it up and drive home to California with it. I
have a contractor's rack on my compact pick-up truck. The question I'd like
to put to the group is: Will exposure to some water (rain) hurt the unvarnished
wood? I plan to wrap everything carefully with plastic drop cloths, but it
seems likely that some water could find its way to the project. Thoughts?
I am currently remodeling my garage into a Piet hatchery so I'll be ready
to really dig in as a full-time Piet builder. I've had the plans since 1972,
so I guess it's about time!
Keep the sawdust flying! Don Cooley, Fairfield, California
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:04 AM - Get Started! Do Something! (Clif Dawson)
2. 04:45 AM - Kerosene Heater (Larry Rice)
3. 05:49 AM - Re: Get Started! Do Something! (walt evans)
4. 06:33 AM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (Robert Gow)
5. 06:43 AM - Re: Get Started! Do Something![Scanned] (Rob Hart)
6. 06:54 AM - Re: thinking ahead when flying with skis (Ralph)
7. 07:27 AM - Re: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows (HVandervoo@aol.com)
8. 07:38 AM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (TJ)
9. 07:57 AM - builders ages (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
10. 08:41 AM - Re: builders ages (dwilson)
11. 08:53 AM - Re: CAD versus cardboard (Catdesigns)
12. 09:12 AM - Re: builders ages (Jack T. Textor)
13. 09:48 AM - List: Builder's Ages (Alan Lyscars)
14. 09:49 AM - Re: builders ages (walt evans)
15. 02:30 PM - average age (glich7@juno.com)
16. 02:56 PM - Re: average age (walt evans)
17. 03:19 PM - age (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
18. 03:41 PM - Re: average age (Jeff Boatright)
19. 03:44 PM - Re: age (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
20. 04:16 PM - Re: builders ages (Jack T. Textor)
21. 04:35 PM - Re: builders ages (Gene & Tammy)
22. 05:47 PM - Another dumb question (Gene & Tammy)
23. 06:08 PM - Duane Woolsey? (Jeff Boatright)
24. 06:43 PM - Re: Duane Woolsey? (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
25. 07:13 PM - Re: builders ages (walt evans)
26. 07:21 PM - Re: List: Builder's Ages (Roman Bukolt)
27. 07:32 PM - Re: builders ages (Don Emch)
28. 07:38 PM - Re: Another dumb question (Don Emch)
29. 08:03 PM - Re: Duane Woolsey? (Catdesigns)
30. 08:49 PM - prop (Dick Navratil)
31. 08:52 PM - Re: builders ages (Rcaprd@aol.com)
32. 09:01 PM - Re: prop (Rcaprd@aol.com)
33. 10:09 PM - Re: Get Started! Do Something! (Clif Dawson)
34. 10:46 PM - Re: -CAD (Clif Dawson)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 01:04:50 AM PST US
From: Clif Dawson
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something!
I've been building for seven years. I'll be 64 in Feb. I
estimate that my outlay has been the equivalent of a
dinner out for two every month. That includes the
three Corvair engines as core parts and a few new
parts for them. The fuselage and tail are complete
with controls. The first thing I did was make the tail
surfaces. Then I made the ribs. This year I should
get most of the wing completed. You do what you
can with the time, space and financial resources life
affords you.
Many years ago there was a series of 3 articles by a
young Piet builder, mostly centered around his trials
and tribulations with dope and fabric. He and his wife
built the thing in a small, second story apartment. The
fuselage went from the left front corner of the living
room across to the fridge in the kitchen. There is a pic
of them hoisting the finished fuselage out the window
and down to the ground. Granted, many of us don't, or
didn't, have such enthusiastic significant others but I'm
sure you can see the moral to this story. Do something!
Drill a hole even.
An idea I've seen is a heavy table 4' square to which are
mounted all the power tools and a vise or two. This table
sits on four heavy castors with brakes on them. You can
move and rotate this sucker all around the shop to access
each tool as it's needed, even outside if you need the space.
If you're worried that it will move while you're running
something through the band or table saw, I'll tell you that
my 28" by 96" rolling radial arm saw table doesn't budge
an inch! It's on three inch, locking castors.
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 04:45:59 AM PST US
From: Larry Rice
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kerosene Heater
You may already know this, but when you get to fabric, no kerosene heat,
and if you have to cover it for dust no plastic. An old friend of mine
did that and the paint wouldn't stick. Hmmmm - any effect on glue or
varnish? I ended up with a small catalytic heater on a propane bottle in
my shop.
Larry the micro mong guy
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 05:49:04 AM PST US
From: "walt evans"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something!
Cliff,
That person was Jim Malley of this group. I still have the Kitplanes
issue that featured his Pietenpol on the front cover.
It was because of that, that I decided to build a Piet.
For all who needs/wants a little inspiration, want to again share this
picture, taken from the front seat, comming in over Stickle's Pond
headed toward runway 24 on a beautiful summer morning At Newton (Jump)
airport.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something!
I've been building for seven years. I'll be 64 in Feb. I
estimate that my outlay has been the equivalent of a
dinner out for two every month. That includes the
three Corvair engines as core parts and a few new
parts for them. The fuselage and tail are complete
with controls. The first thing I did was make the tail
surfaces. Then I made the ribs. This year I should
get most of the wing completed. You do what you
can with the time, space and financial resources life
affords you.
Many years ago there was a series of 3 articles by a
young Piet builder, mostly centered around his trials
and tribulations with dope and fabric. He and his wife
built the thing in a small, second story apartment. The
fuselage went from the left front corner of the living
room across to the fridge in the kitchen. There is a pic
of them hoisting the finished fuselage out the window
and down to the ground. Granted, many of us don't, or
didn't, have such enthusiastic significant others but I'm
sure you can see the moral to this story. Do something!
Drill a hole even.
An idea I've seen is a heavy table 4' square to which are
mounted all the power tools and a vise or two. This table
sits on four heavy castors with brakes on them. You can
move and rotate this sucker all around the shop to access
each tool as it's needed, even outside if you need the space.
If you're worried that it will move while you're running
something through the band or table saw, I'll tell you that
my 28" by 96" rolling radial arm saw table doesn't budge
an inch! It's on three inch, locking castors.
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 06:33:35 AM PST US
From: "Robert Gow"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard
I hear you. If you are building one plane it's no too productive. But in
the past I've found a lot of dimensional errors and fixed them by converting
from paper to CAD because you draw to scale. You can also resolve many
ambiguities as well because you have a fully detailed "model". But it would
only be worth doing if the plans were shared with new builders.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: January 6, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard
John,
You guys talking about these CAD drawings are making my eyes glaze over.
Stop with the nonsence and just start making some ribs. At this rate you
will never get going! You need to start with what you CAN do. Nobody needs
any "place to build" to make a rib jig and start producing ribs. A few
sticks of spruce and a hand saw and glue are all you need. There has been a
lot of talk about tough love and kicks-in-the-butt's on this site as of
late. Here's some more---GET STARTED!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 06:43:26 AM PST US
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something![Scanned]
From: "Rob Hart"
Hi Walt
I also have that issue of Kitplanes. It was also the article that
inspired me to follow the Piet dream. Thanks for the pic, and for the
reminder of the start of the journey.
To esteemed listers,
For those still figuring out when to start cutting or drilling; my
advice is to take your time. Measure twice and cut once is a well known
adage. Knowing when to start measuring, given the myriad demands on
most homebuilders, is perhaps less when understood. Thinking, planning
and contemplating is as much doing something as cutting spruce. Pick
your own time, not someone else's.
Regards
Rob
VH-PTN; in preparation.
Do not archive.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
evans
Sent: Sunday, 7 January 2007 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something![Scanned]
Cliff,
That person was Jim Malley of this group. I still have the Kitplanes
issue that featured his Pietenpol on the front cover.
It was because of that, that I decided to build a Piet.
For all who needs/wants a little inspiration, want to again share this
picture, taken from the front seat, comming in over Stickle's Pond
headed toward runway 24 on a beautiful summer morning At Newton (Jump)
airport.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Get Started! Do Something!
I've been building for seven years. I'll be 64 in Feb. I
estimate that my outlay has been the equivalent of a
dinner out for two every month. That includes the
three Corvair engines as core parts and a few new
parts for them. The fuselage and tail are complete
with controls. The first thing I did was make the tail
surfaces. Then I made the ribs. This year I should
get most of the wing completed. You do what you
can with the time, space and financial resources life
affords you.
Many years ago there was a series of 3 articles by a
young Piet builder, mostly centered around his trials
and tribulations with dope and fabric. He and his wife
built the thing in a small, second story apartment. The
fuselage went from the left front corner of the living
room across to the fridge in the kitchen. There is a pic
of them hoisting the finished fuselage out the window
and down to the ground. Granted, many of us don't, or
didn't, have such enthusiastic significant others but I'm
sure you can see the moral to this story. Do something!
Drill a hole even.
An idea I've seen is a heavy table 4' square to which are
mounted all the power tools and a vise or two. This table
sits on four heavy castors with brakes on them. You can
move and rotate this sucker all around the shop to access
each tool as it's needed, even outside if you need the space.
If you're worried that it will move while you're running
something through the band or table saw, I'll tell you that
my 28" by 96" rolling radial arm saw table doesn't budge
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 06:54:16 AM PST US
From: "Ralph"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: thinking ahead when flying with skis
I am also flying a Chief on skis in the snowy weather. I have a pair of
wood Call-Air skis. You set the wheel into a metal tube frame on top of the
ski and clamp it down.. It takes about ten minutes to change with the help
of the wife. I hope to incorporate something similar for the Piet.
(thirteen years down, about ready to cover the wings). If you land in snow
in a field, always circle around and park in you own tracks. It really
helps to not have to break trail when first starting to move. I always grab
the ski tip and lift up before starting up the engine. That breaks loose
any freeze down that might occur.
Carol and Ralph
Raymond
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 07:27:16 AM PST US
From: HVandervoo@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows
Rick,
Program I use is Visio 2000, it is a simple draft program.
By no means as good and versatile as AutoCAD but cheap and simple to use.
Hans
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 07:38:55 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CAD versus cardboard
From: "TJ"
Hi Guys
I can tell you from a newbies point of view that I wish someone would redraw everything
in CAD. I know when my plans first came I looked them over every which
way and couldnt make much outta them. After I met a few guys like Jim Markle
and Larry Williams and looked over what they have, then I started to understand
them better. I lucked out and bumped into a guy named Frank Hiles that lives
45 minutes from me that has built 4 Piets and is on his 5th one now and hes
showing how to build now. Razorbacks Rule!!! (Well maybe not this year
but somtimes, maybe once in a while, I think I remember when they did, OK maybe
not, but then whos cares anyway, thats why I like flying and not football)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86044#86044
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 07:57:00 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: builders ages
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
Mike C. 47 and still keeping to my goal of keeping my waistline
measurement under my age:)
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 08:41:37 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders ages
From: "dwilson"
Dan Wilson, age 50. Would like to finish my Piet while I can still pass the vision
test. Just got my first pair of glasses!
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________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 08:53:33 AM PST US
From: "Catdesigns"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard
Early on I drew up all the fittings in CAD and would advise against doing
this. The fittings I have tried to make based on the CAD drawings are not
always correct. Accurate to the plans yes but not correct for the job they
are intended to do. Sometimes the holes are a bit off and sometimes the
size of the fitting is a bit small. Plus you will want to lengthen the
fittings in a few places to access the bolt heads. For instance, take a
look at the front tailwheel mounting fitting, the one with the 3 fingers on
it. Notice how the bolt holes for mounting it to the fuselage interfere
with each other? If you were to blindly follow the plans you would be
making these fittings again, hopefully before you drilled your holes in the
lower longeron. Sorry, don't ask for the files because I think releasing
them into the world would give a false sense of accuracy that I don't want
to promote.
One thing you will find as you build is the plans turn out to be better then
you thought. They may look poor at first glance but after a while you start
to get in the groove and they turn out to be just fine. You soon realize
that you worry about some dimensions but others are whatever length is
required to fit YOUR particular assembly. The best approach is to get the
idea from the plans then fine tune the location and dimensions to make the
part fit your assembly correctly and serve the intended purpose. The
important thing is to make a strong well built plane. Don't waste your time
trying to build to the exact 1/64th because that's what the plans said it
had to be.
By the way I'm now 39. Was 33 when I started. Probably be 45 when done :-(
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glass"
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CAD versus cardboard
>
>
> Hi
>
> I have been on the list for about a year gathering info but not yet
> started building.
>
> It would be intersting to know the average age of the people on the list.
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Hey Don,
Glad to hear your finally going to build a Piet.
I soaked my wing upper wing rib piece in my bathtub for about 2 or 3
hours so I could bend it. They are nice and wet when I take them out,
as in really wet and pliable. I have not noticed any staining, weakness
or discoloration from this. What you need to watch out for is getting a
piece of dusty or dirty wood wet. This will drive the dirt into the
wood and stain it. Also, some how something leaked into my fuselage and
stained the mahogany plywood on the floor. I think it was water off the
garage door as I would open it though I'm not sure as I never saw it
drip nor have I since seen it drip. In any event I think the plywood
might stain easily. I would think if you wrap it up as tight as you
can you will be fine. Just make sure you open it up to dry out as soon
as possible.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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