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1. 06:02 AM - Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers (Gene and Tammy)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers (Phillips, Jack)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers (hvandervoo@aol.com)
4. 07:11 AM - Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers (Gene and Tammy)
5. 08:12 AM - Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers (Dave Abramson)
6. 09:17 AM - Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers (Gene and Tammy)
7. 11:38 AM - Brake calipers, slow flight (TBYH@aol.com)
8. 11:56 AM - Re: Short Landings (Tom Stinemetze)
9. 12:35 PM - passed your checkride ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
10. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: Short Landings (Jdavis2a@wmconnect.com)
11. 01:38 PM - Re: Brake calipers, slow flight (Phillips, Jack)
12. 02:15 PM - brake calipers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
13. 02:40 PM - Re: Brake calipers, slow flight (Gene and Tammy)
14. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Short Landings (Steve Singleton)
15. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Short Landings (Steve Singleton)
16. 07:35 PM - passed your checkride! (Oscar Zuniga)
17. 10:10 PM - Re: down in 230' (Rcaprd@aol.com)
18. 10:22 PM - Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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Subject: | Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers |
Once again, Thanks everyone for all of the good input. As I understand
it, what may work well from one prop maker will not necessarily work
well from another.
I have been told by one prop maker that he thought 74X38 would be the
best all around prop for the 65 Piet. Anyone use this prop?
Gene
N502R
Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee
propellers
I'm with you on that, Jack. A couple of weeks ago in discussion,
someone had much better climb performance with the same engine. It
would be worth the change if we could climb out better.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee
propellers
I've got a certified Sensenich 72 x 42 and I'm not all that happy
with it. On the way back from OSH in 2005, I flew through some pretty
heavy rain (got myself soaked). The rain knocked all the varnish off
the brass leading edge, although the varnish on the wood itself seemed
to hold up alright. I don't think it is pitched right for a Pietenpol
climb prop as I can't get full redline RPM in level flight at full
throttle. I've got a St. Croix that is 74 x 36 that I want to try this
spring, to see if I can get a little better climb.
Jack Phillips
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Subject: | Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers |
As I said in an earlier post, I've got a St. Croix that is 74 x 36 and
was supposedly designed for a Pietenpol, as a climb prop. I have not
flown it yet, but will do so this spring.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC - where it is currently snowing on top of the sleet we got
last night.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene and
Tammy
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee
propellers
Once again, Thanks everyone for all of the good input. As I understand
it, what may work well from one prop maker will not necessarily work
well from another.
I have been told by one prop maker that he thought 74X38 would be the
best all around prop for the 65 Piet. Anyone use this prop?
Gene
N502R
Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil <mailto:horzpool@goldengate.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee
propellers
I'm with you on that, Jack. A couple of weeks ago in
discussion, someone had much better climb performance with the same
engine. It would be worth the change if we could climb out better.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack <mailto:Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars &
Tennessee propellers
I've got a certified Sensenich 72 x 42 and I'm not all
that happy with it. On the way back from OSH in 2005, I flew through
some pretty heavy rain (got myself soaked). The rain knocked all the
varnish off the brass leading edge, although the varnish on the wood
itself seemed to hold up alright. I don't think it is pitched right for
a Pietenpol climb prop as I can't get full redline RPM in level flight
at full throttle. I've got a St. Croix that is 74 x 36 that I want to
try this spring, to see if I can get a little better climb.
Jack Phillips
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Subject: | Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers |
Dan,
Only once and for a short time, less than 5 minutes.
No noticeable difference on the prop.
Not fun in a open cockpit Piet.
Did make some landings in high grass, where the prop acted as a weed-wacker.
I must state I clean my prop after most flights and frequently wax the prop.
The wax (TURTLE WAX) helps in removing bugs and grass stains.
Hans
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Sent: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers
Hans,
You said you had the urethane leading edge on your prop. Have you ever flown through
rain, and if so, how did it hold up?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers |
I didn't realize your 74 X 36 was made for a Piet. Where can I get
information on the St Croix? Haven't heard of them before.
If you were a dedicated mentor you'd say "Damn the snow and rain, I'm
going to put that prop on today and fly it so Gene will know if he
should order one." Corky would do that, wouldn't you Corky.
As a side note, I fould Ed Sterba's phone number and I'm giving him a
call today as well as Tennessee Props.
Gene
PS I'll spend the day waiting for your report on how well your St Croix
does.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:09 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee
propellers
As I said in an earlier post, I've got a St. Croix that is 74 x 36 and
was supposedly designed for a Pietenpol, as a climb prop. I have not
flown it yet, but will do so this spring.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC - where it is currently snowing on top of the sleet we got
last night.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee
propellers
I'm with you on that, Jack. A couple of weeks ago in discussion,
someone had much better climb performance with the same engine. It
would be worth the change if we could climb out better.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee
propellers
I've got a certified Sensenich 72 x 42 and I'm not all that happy
with it. On the way back from OSH in 2005, I flew through some pretty
heavy rain (got myself soaked). The rain knocked all the varnish off
the brass leading edge, although the varnish on the wood itself seemed
to hold up alright. I don't think it is pitched right for a Pietenpol
climb prop as I can't get full redline RPM in level flight at full
throttle. I've got a St. Croix that is 74 x 36 that I want to try this
spring, to see if I can get a little better climb.
Jack Phillips
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Subject: | Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers |
The Phone # for St Croix Aircraft 1-641-322-4041 Chad Wille is the
man!!!!!!!
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gene and
Tammy
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers
I didn't realize your 74 X 36 was made for a Piet. Where can I get
information on the St Croix? Haven't heard of them before.
If you were a dedicated mentor you'd say "Damn the snow and rain, I'm going
to put that prop on today and fly it so Gene will know if he should order
one." Corky would do that, wouldn't you Corky.
As a side note, I fould Ed Sterba's phone number and I'm giving him a call
today as well as Tennessee Props.
Gene
PS I'll spend the day waiting for your report on how well your St Croix
does.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack <mailto:Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:09 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers
As I said in an earlier post, I've got a St. Croix that is 74 x 36 and was
supposedly designed for a Pietenpol, as a climb prop. I have not flown it
yet, but will do so this spring.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC - where it is currently snowing on top of the sleet we got last
night.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil <mailto:horzpool@goldengate.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers
I'm with you on that, Jack. A couple of weeks ago in discussion, someone
had much better climb performance with the same engine. It would be worth
the change if we could climb out better.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack <mailto:Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers
I've got a certified Sensenich 72 x 42 and I'm not all that happy with it.
On the way back from OSH in 2005, I flew through some pretty heavy rain (got
myself soaked). The rain knocked all the varnish off the brass leading
edge, although the varnish on the wood itself seemed to hold up alright. I
don't think it is pitched right for a Pietenpol climb prop as I can't get
full redline RPM in level flight at full throttle. I've got a St. Croix
that is 74 x 36 that I want to try this spring, to see if I can get a little
better climb.
Jack Phillips
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Subject: | Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers |
Dave,
Thank you for the phone #. I'll give Chad a call.
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee
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The Phone # for St Croix Aircraft 1-641-322-4041 Chad Wille is the
man!!!!!!!
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Subject: | Brake calipers, slow flight |
Question: I asked this once before but don't recall what the responses were
-- what would you all recommend for disk brake calipers. I see that at the
bottom end there are Manco mechanically actuated calipers that are very
inexpensive and from there calipers go up to more than $100 for juice actuated
brakes. Let me know your thoughts -- I've got the Jenny-style landing gear.
Speaking of slow flight -- way back in 1978 I learned to fly in a 150-HP
SuperCub. The day of my flight exam it was cold and rather windy but we went out
anyway. The winds aloft were even stronger straight out of the Northwest,
gusting to 35 mph...while demonstrating slow flight the examiner had me head
into that northwesterly wind because he wanted to see if we could go backwards.
I had it slowed down just hanging on the prop and edge of a stall until we
almost did creep backwards over the ground! We sure weren't moving ahead!
The FBO sold the Cub not long after that -- always loved that airplane and I
was told by the FBO owner that I was the first person to get a private ticket
in a tailwheel airplane at the La Crosse airport in nearly 20 years. The
SuperCub sure wasn't fast, but she'd sure get off the ground quick. Never used
the flaps either, preferring to slip her in -- great fun! In fact, my
instructor had neglected to teach me about the flaps and the first time I used
them
was on that check ride!
Enough rambling --let me know your thoughts on brake calipers...Many thanks!
Fred Beseler
La Crosse, WI
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Subject: | RE: Short Landings |
Just so the list members won't think that I died or gave up on my
Pietenpol project since you haven't heard from me for about 6-months -
just a word of update. I have not been building since I haven't the
funds or time to build at the same time that I am taking flying lessons.
Well, that's about to change as I passed my Private Pilot check ride
about two hours ago. Winds 18 kts gusting to 25 - WHAT WAS I THINKING?
Well, it was either do it today or wait and see what the next ice storm
/ blizzard / "winter mix" has in store for us this weekend. I want to
hear all your "ho humm" stories about how easy your check ride was.
Back to the Workshop for me!
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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Subject: | passed your checkride ! |
Way to go Tom Stinemetze on passing your private checkride and letting
us know !!!!
Sure is more fun to build a Piet if you know you are qualified to fly it
when you're done.
Excellent. I half think that you have a better chance of passing a
checkride on a rough
day since you have to prove you can handle the plane in adverse
conditions---and you did !
Loved my checkride in 1981. WWII veteran. Instructor from Kent State
University named Dick Schwabe.
He flew more of the checkride than I did because he rarely got time in
much else than 150's and I
showed up in a Grumman AA-1B. Still a rough, windy day and despite my
flaws, he passed me.
Mike C.
PS-- you'll sleep good tonight
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Subject: | Re: RE: Short Landings |
CONGRATS!!!!!! from Tulsa
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Subject: | Brake calipers, slow flight |
Fred,
I've got regular Cleveland 8" discs on mine. Got 'em on ebay for $25.
The pads were worn and had to be replaced (okay, add another $22 to the
cost) but they work fine. Any less brake and I wouldn't be able to hold
it for a runup. I've got the Jenny style gear and 21" wheels. Those
big wheels are mighty hard to stop. Airplanes quit using big wheels
about the time they started using brakes.
Jack Phillips
Snow has stopped in Raleigh. Now it's just foggy. And COLD
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brake calipers, slow flight
Question: I asked this once before but don't recall what the responses
were -- what would you all recommend for disk brake calipers. I see that
at the bottom end there are Manco mechanically actuated calipers that
are very inexpensive and from there calipers go up to more than $100 for
juice actuated brakes. Let me know your thoughts -- I've got the
Jenny-style landing gear.
Speaking of slow flight -- way back in 1978 I learned to fly in a 150-HP
SuperCub. The day of my flight exam it was cold and rather windy but we
went out anyway. The winds aloft were even stronger straight out of the
Northwest, gusting to 35 mph...while demonstrating slow flight the
examiner had me head into that northwesterly wind because he wanted to
see if we could go backwards. I had it slowed down just hanging on the
prop and edge of a stall until we almost did creep backwards over the
ground! We sure weren't moving ahead!
The FBO sold the Cub not long after that -- always loved that airplane
and I was told by the FBO owner that I was the first person to get a
private ticket in a tailwheel airplane at the La Crosse airport in
nearly 20 years. The SuperCub sure wasn't fast, but she'd sure get off
the ground quick. Never used the flaps either, preferring to slip her in
-- great fun! In fact, my instructor had neglected to teach me about the
flaps and the first time I used them was on that check ride!
Enough rambling --let me know your thoughts on brake calipers...Many
thanks!
Fred Beseler
La Crosse, WI
TBYH@aol.com
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Fred,
I purchased Comet brake calipers at a local lawnmower/ go-kart shop
http://www.hoffcocomet.com/comet/aftermarket-brakes.asp (scroll down
when
you get there) and traded aerial photos of a machinist friend's home for
him to turn some rotors that fit my wheel hubs. My wheels are 19" and
my rotors are 6" in diameter and the Comet DC Series caliper just hold
me for run-up and no more---which works out fine. As you've seen my
plane at Brodhead, I made up heel
brakes ala Cub/Champ and actuate the calipers with 1/16" cable. Lots of
ATV brakes out there too now which I'm sure would be worth looking into
depending
on what suites you.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Brake calipers, slow flight |
OK, OK, Guess the fog lets you out of the propeller trial.
Gene
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brake calipers, slow flight
Fred,
I've got regular Cleveland 8" discs on mine. Got 'em on ebay for $25.
The pads were worn and had to be replaced (okay, add another $22 to the
cost) but they work fine. Any less brake and I wouldn't be able to hold
it for a runup. I've got the Jenny style gear and 21" wheels. Those
big wheels are mighty hard to stop. Airplanes quit using big wheels
about the time they started using brakes.
Jack Phillips
Snow has stopped in Raleigh. Now it's just foggy. And COLD
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Subject: | Re: RE: Short Landings |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Short Landings
> <tstinemetze@cox.net>
>
> Just so the list members won't think that I died or gave up on my
> Pietenpol project since you haven't heard from me for about 6-months -
> just a word of update. I have not been building since I haven't the
> funds or time to build at the same time that I am taking flying lessons.
> Well, that's about to change as I passed my Private Pilot check ride
> about two hours ago. Winds 18 kts gusting to 25 - WHAT WAS I THINKING?
> Well, it was either do it today or wait and see what the next ice storm
> / blizzard / "winter mix" has in store for us this weekend. I want to
> hear all your "ho humm" stories about how easy your check ride was.
>
> Back to the Workshop for me!
>
> Tom Stinemetze
> McPherson, KS
>
> ____ | ____
> \8/
> / \
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Subject: | Re: RE: Short Landings |
Congradulations Tom! Happy for you. Steve Singleton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Short Landings
> <tstinemetze@cox.net>
>
> Just so the list members won't think that I died or gave up on my
> Pietenpol project since you haven't heard from me for about 6-months -
> just a word of update. I
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Subject: | passed your checkride! |
There is only one time in your life when you will pass your private pilot
checkride, Tom, so savor the moment. I remember mine like it was yesterday.
Andy Anderson, old-time instructor at David Wayne Hooks Memorial field
outside of Houston, TX- gave me my checkride. Smooth and strong as an old
hickory walking stick was old Andy, skin was the color of walnut and just as
sturdy. I took my ride in a Piper Warrior that I knew inside and out and it
went great. Andy pulled the old "darn... these old fingers... I dropped my
pencil down there by the flap handle. Would you reach and get it while I
try to fold this sectional, please?" while he put the airplane in an unusual
attitude and messed up my inner ear. No problem; I recovered it and we
moved on.
He put me through the paces and I wanted him to. I wanted to please that
examiner more than anything else in the world. He was my golden gate to my
flying future and I wanted his name in my logbook that day. I wanted to
show him that I knew how to fly an airplane.
When we landed and he signed me off (he never really said I'd passed until
he had signed me off), he told me that he used to be a Navy basic training
instructor during the war and that he had sent boys younger than me off to
fly fighters and bombers in a war, with fewer hours than I had in my
logbook, and we're not talking about Piper Warriors either. Don't sell
yourself short... the human mind and body can learn and perform things far
more complex than flying a single-engine light aircraft with much less
training than we receive, especially when we're doing something that we
fervently enjoy and want to excel at. Now you have your ticket to learn. I
found out that these old airplanes are good teachers, too ;o)
Now follow me off my wing as I fly 41CC through that big field with the
trees alongside it up ahead. The space between the trees and the fencerow
is plenty wide enough to clear our wingtips. Smoke on and down onto the
deck!!!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: down in 230' |
In a message dated 1/17/2007 7:02:18 AM Central Standard Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com writes:
Winds were 250 at
20 kts, gusts to 25 (remember the winds that morning, Chuck?).
Ah yes, Jack, I remember that morning well. Brodhead '05, and you took off
shortly before I did, en route to that other show up north. You must have
stayed low on that leg, because the winds at 3000' msl where I was, were quite
different. I don't really know why I climbed that high...I think I just wanted
to see more of the beautiful Wisconsin countryside from the higher altitude. I
got about 15 miles to the north of Brodhead, trying to track to the North,
but the strong winds out of the West caused the nose of my plane to point almost
directly West !! I had almost full power in, and was indicating just over 75
mph, and according to my GPS, I had about 15 mph. ground speed. At one
point, I noticed a tower to the North, between the right struts a couple of miles
away. Five minutes later that tower was still in the same place...10 minutes
later, still there...15 minutes later that tower didn't change location !!
I've never been in that situation before, where I'm trying to track north,
heading west, with almost full power in and getting nowhere. It was a strange
feeling. I decided to abort the leg to Oshkosh, and headed back to Brodhead.
For
a while, I wasn't sure that I could even make it back, till I dropped to a
much lower altitude where the winds weren't quite as strong. I finally made it
back to Brodhead, and rode up to Oshkosh with Dennis & Kathy E. We had a great
time there, but I never could find Jack.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: Jay Anderson Cloudcars & Tennessee propellers |
In a message dated 1/18/2007 8:13:15 AM Central Standard Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com writes:
As I said in an earlier post, I=99ve got a St. Croix that is 74 x 36 a
nd was
supposedly designed for a Pietenpol, as a climb prop. I have not flown it y
et,
but will do so this spring.
Jack,
I'm very interested in how the 74 X 36 prop changes the performance of your
plane. I think the longer blades, with a shorter pitch would work better on
a
Pietenpol...at least as far as climb / short field take off performance, but
I've never heard of anyone using that prop on their Piet. It just seems lik
e
the standard prop for an A 65 has always been a 72 X 42 prop.
Chuck G.
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